Discuss Revelation 2 Page 13

Bob Hilt

Seems like some serious hostility toward our brothers the JEWS.

Did Jesus come back for the seed of Satan, or for the lost (looking to be found) Tribes of the house of Israel?

Plenty of people that call themselves Jews are not ( Revelation 2:9, 3:9). Just as many today that call themselves Christian are not.

Devout Jews believe in God OUR Father. Others are whatever they claim to be. An "unbelieving Jew" is called a Gentile; just as an unbelieving Christian is called a Gentile.

The "Jews" that crucified Jesus CLAIMED to be Jews, as the High Priest was the leader of them. But their actions spoke of them that are of the synagogue of Satan.

The Apostles were of the house of Israel (Jews); otherwise they would not have been chosen.

Were not the JEWS PURPOSELY BLINDED BY GOD until the return of Jesus? ( Acts 28:25-28)

Did God not say that He would restore His people; the JEWS? ( Romans 11:26) The Deliverer (Jesus) will turn ungodliness from Jacob (ALL 12 TRIBES)

Are we not grafted into THEIR tree? ( Romans 11:17-24)

Our brothers need our spiritual guidance, not our disdain ( Galatians 3:29).

In addition, I do not believe that Jesus the King of the JEWS came speaking Greek. He spoke it when needed.

Those that were with Jesus at the cross at the 9th hour knew the Hebrew words being spoken ( Matthew 27:46-47, Mark 15:34-36).

The inscription left by Pilate was written FIRST in Hebrew.

Hebrew is the language given by God to His chosen people.

Hebrew is the only language that is both pictorial and phonetic, as well as having it's number system based upon it.

The Hebrew letters form the words our Creator spoke when forming the world.

Jesus is the Aleph and the Tav; not the Alpha and the Omega. Jesus is every word of Scripture. That ultimately is Hebrew, and not any other language.

shall all who claim to be Israel be saved?

Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

So do these get saved without Jesus?

John in John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Jesus in Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, and I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Q: Is there another plan of salvation for unbelieving Jews?

A: Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (What name? Yeshua?)

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

Ezra 9:1 - Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.

Ezra 9:2 - For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the HOLY SEED holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands:

Does the Holy Spirit on earth during the tribulation period or does He also depart during the rapture?

It is. Aimed right at you. Catch it. Grab it. Hold it.

Yes, up until the last moment.

are those who are left behind have the opportunity to get saved during the tribulation?

Concerning Torquemada I noticed you did not bother to read the article in the jewish encyclopedia either.

Murray Redstone does not sound Jewish either until you find his birth name was Rothstein oh his family runs CBS.

Communist leader Lenin real name was Ulanov.

Communist leader Lev Bronstein called himself Trotsky.

The founder of the church of Satan called himself Anton LaVey, some claim Howard Stanton, but his birth name was

really Levy.

Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Leonard Nimoy, Wiliam Shatner, Woody Allen does not sound jewish either.

All I know is if they do not follow Jesus they are cursed as Paul said.

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

Word looks like it is given to me. Amen

Jesus speaks in the bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

So is Jesus cursed for saying this? I do not believe so. Some claim Jesus is antisemitic.

Tom, Why does everyone insist that those over in the middle east are Israel? Just because someone claims to be a jew does not make it so.

Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

(ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

Ann Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews - Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews

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pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL.

Mishael, I am glad you read it and understand how evil it is. Think about that next time you want to pray a blessing for those who believe that stuff. Hollywood celebs who wear the red string around their wrists are into this mess. Think Madonna and even some the family of the prez are into this.

This understanding of Kabbalah gives new meaning to this: Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

I live in South Florida with the 3rd largest concentration of Jews in the USA. When I came to the Lord in late 89 I decided I wanted to study the old testament and decided to study from the Jewish perspective, after all it is supposed to be their book right? Why study the OT from Lutherans, Baptists or charismatics?

Anyways I went to the library and started reading Jewish literature and came across this stuff and I could hardly believe it. So how come messianic Jews do not come out and expose and denounce this? They know what it is as they use the symbols and words associated with this.

Those who claim to be Noahides (laws given to Noah not in the Bible) are from this same group. This is the group pushing YESHUA as the name of our savior Jesus. These groups claim Christ was a master of kabbalah and this is how he performed his miracles, the unpardonable sin in my opinion.

One last thing and the highest symbol in the Kabbalah system is proudly displayed on the Israeli flag. Present this info to your church and do not be shocked when you are told to leave.

PS I came out of the new age baby occult filth so I knew what this evil was. Praise the Lord my private Baptist Bible school teaching in middle school kicked in when I saw this vile evil. Look into the Noahide laws and their penalty.

Mark: it means return to your first love when you First met Jesus. The scripture is in Revelation.

Just compare your life today to those first days when you asked Jesus to come in your heart. You read your Bible. You asked the Holy Spirit to help you understand what you have read. He's your Teacher, and the Spirit of Jesus; your Comforter; your Convictor when you make mistakes, your Helper. He's here for you.

Just pray this prayer to return to your first Love:

Lord, after what I've read today, I don't want to allow any spirit of compromise in my life! I now understand that the doctrine of the Nicolaitans is compromise with the world. Lord, I don't want to live with one foot in the church and another foot in the world. I want to break free completely from the world and its influence so I can give myself completely to Your cause! I want to be holy, to live in a way that pleases You, and to experience Your power in my life. Today I am renewing my commitment to You all over again! I turn from the world, and I am running to You!

I pray this in Jesus' name!

Lord, after what I've read today, I don't want to allow any spirit of compromise in my life! I now understand that the doctrine of the Nicolaitans is compromise with the world. Lord, I don't want to live with one foot in the church and another foot in the world. I want to break free completely from the world and its influence so I can give myself completely to Your cause! I want to be holy, to live in a way that pleases You, and to experience Your power in my life. Today I am renewing my commitment to You all over again! I turn from the world, and I am running to You!

I pray this in Jesus' name!

What does It mean by, and repent, and do the first works?

Chris, how do you or anyone know those over in the middle east are in fact Jews? Because they say so?

Jesus in bible book of Revelation 2:9 says I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews

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pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL. (God's chosen people?)

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

The United Nations in 1948 created that state, not the Lord, and the United Nations is openly satanic.

Their official publisher is Lucis publishing, originally Lucifer Trust.

Repent: The meaning for those with eyes to see and ears to hear:

Acts 3:19 REPENT Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your SINS sins may be blotted out, (change your mind on SIN)

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of SINS sins,

Acts 8:22 REPENT Repent therefore of this thy WICKEDNESS wickedness,

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not REPENT repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. ( repent uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness )

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to REPENT repent of her FORNICATION fornication; and she repented not.

(IS FORNICATION A SIN OR A CHANGE OF MIND?)

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit ADULTERY adultery with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT repent of their DEEDS deeds.

Revelation 9:21 Neither REPENTED repented they of their MURDERS murders, nor of their SORCERIES sorceries, nor of their FORNICATION fornication, nor of their THEFTS thefts.

Amen brother, well said! I believe it's the same as it always has been for believers/saints - Jesus gives us the ability to suffer for his name. We cannot do it without his strength and grace. But with Christ we can do and endure all the things that were impossible for us before. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." - Philippians 4:12

Hi Bob this is Ken I agree with you on the first two Commandments these are the Commandments of Christ The Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross as you are well aware of by the scriptures Jesus himself said not to put new wine into old wineskins he was referring to the age of Grace the church age in which we are living right now and if repent means to turn from sin then God is a sinner because he repented so many times I can't even count for everyone who wants to know that the Commandments of Christ are 1st John 4:21 and this is the Commandment we have from him that we he who loveth God loves his brother. 1st John 5

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, OUR FAITH......

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?

Revelation 2:11 he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the church is he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. We learn in 1st John 5 that the Overcomer is the one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ or believes is finished work what is his finished work? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them this is the work of God that you believe on him who he sent! And when he was talking to the church. And when he told the church in Revelation to repent he wanted them to come back to his first work ,which was to believe on Christ and go forth with that teaching! what they were doing as we have in this day and age and which you have presented is another gospel in which you mingle works with our faith Works cannot come until we have faith.

Greetings Ken, Agreed we need to believe and depend on HIS WORKS, not our own.

However Jesus said some things to consider

Jesus said in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Someone asked Jesus what was the most important commandment.

Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Mark 6:12 - And they (12 apostles) went out, and preached that men should repent.

Jesus speaking in Luke 13:3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

and again Luke 13:5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish

Repent of what?

Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 2:21 - And I gave her space to repent of her (SIN) fornication; and she repented not.

Rev 2:22 - Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit (SIN) adultery with her into great tribulation,

except they repent of their deeds.

Jesus speaking and telling the BELIEVING CHURCH IN EPHESUS TO REPENT

Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;

Rev 2:4 - Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Rev 2:5 - Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent,

and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Jesus told the believing church to repent...of what?

I believe the way that we behave depends on whether or not we are of this world.

James 2:18-20 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Revelation 20:12 and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

It is Revelation 2:12,13,14,15; John 8:44 & Isaiah 14:13,14,15 at the crux of our story.

Jesus in the bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Just because someone claims to be A "Jew" or a christian for that matter does not make it so.

Paul in 1 Thess 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED? God leads Israel to the land, not the UN.

Thank You so much ... God Bless You!

Maryann, the Scripture you quote has to do with the Revelation given to John for the Church in Smyrna. Even though Smyrna was a real Church, the messages to all the seven Churches are for us today. Church at Ephesus left their first love; etc, etc.( Rev 2 & 3). I'm unsure of the time of their suffering, but through the ages, believers have suffered for their faith at the hands of wicked men. There is a time coming called the Great Tribulation, wherein the Anti-Christ will reign in Jerusalem as God, & all manner of evil will come from him & to those opposing him. From Scripture, we believe that Christians will be removed from the Earth before that time (the Rapture) & will not go through the Tribulation (which is a time of God's Wrath), yet this event doesn't preclude anti-Christian sentiment & actions by the world now. How should we behave? Just as Christ did: show love & forgiveness to all, not retaliate, pray for them & for each other; bear our cross gladly as He bore it for us.

I have a question in these end time's how are we to fight back is it only spiritually or physically .. when martial law comes to take us out our homes are we to fight back ? And are we to forgive them as they hurt us like Jesus did on the cross? things are happening so fast and i feel it's to late for me to learn ? how are we to handle or except it when your being taking away for them to kill God's children? certain things i'm not understanding can be frustrating .. are we to forgive those that are hurting us or wanting to kill us ..

Lucifer ,the angel of light. He makes himself an angel of light. Remembering what the word says about forsaking the assembling of one another. This he is depending on ,not allowing the spirit to have free course . The war is that God is judging the the world and the prince who is in it. Satan will do everything he can to deceive even the elect of God. Your faith will determine his outcome! His time here on earth is numbered, He has no power than what is given from above. Anytime you have opportunity, speak the name of Jesus through your breathing mask! Satan does not know the heart of a believer! We are saints in a very big war! We are members of his army and have all we need in Christ. The angel who is dressed in white shall not prevail. We are all the same in Christ , Jews and gentiles. Overcome evil with good.

Lesley, EVERYTHING in the first 11 chapters is addressed to you on an individual level in the present tense or present perfect tense. In this case Rev. 2:26-28 John the Revelator is talking to YOU Lesley and your own personal "one like unto the Son of Man" who when you overcome will rule your temple - the nations or your body - so that like the yogis had perfect control over their bodies. That is the promise. Sadly since it takes a lot of effort hardly any modern westerner will take the time. This is not for everyone. It is only for a select few who will make the effort.

Good luck Lesley.

therefore - conjunction with verse 4 so this is the answer

Remember...fallen - figurative so not Garden of Eden. This First Love hasn't been done for millennia.

repent - not of sins - START doing this First Love by teaching yourself...

first works - chapters 1-11 of Rev. have the instructions to begin doing first works.

remove candlestick - at the gym you exercise voluntary muscles. John is asking you Christians to exercise the seven spiritual centers in the temple of God - see Rev. 11:1. Once you get good at being "in the spirit" as John was it will be your First Love. The one thing Jesus could not do without as He proved on the cross was not being in communication with the Father. It was His First Love!!

Everyone, good luck.

You desperately need to follow the evidence not guess and by golly. John's "first love" and even Jesus' "first love" was NOT not loving Jesus. Here is a major clue. What was the one thing that Jesus valued more than anything that he actually lost for a few moments while saving us on the cross? That was his first love, John's first love and yours - if you are willing to follow the evidence laid out in the next verse. Good luck.