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Brother Jesse, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are ASLEEP, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of SLEEP: for now is our salvation nearer than when we first believed.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and arose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us NOT SLEEP, as do others; but us watch an be sober.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST shall RISE FIRST (first resurrection)( Revelation 20:5):

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead that DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth .....

I BELIEVE this is the FIRST DEATH and the first resurrection also describe in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

I BELIEVE the ONLY one that hears this shout and trumpet is the one being CALLED to take part in the first resurrection. I come as a thief in the night. If everyone heard, it would no be as a thief.

Hebrews 9:27 It is appointed unto men to die..I BELIEVE this is the same death in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 14:13...but after this the judgement.

I BELIEVE this judgement is by God's WORD; both written and living, on those that have their part in the first resurrection. 1 Peter 4:17

I BELIEVE 1 Thessalonians 4 is about those that take part in the first resurrection and are present with Christ upon his return at the second resurrection.

What difference is there in the snatching up, whether it be one at a time or collectively.

Powerful passage, reveals the omniscience of the Lord knowing all that will come to pass.

v 51, 52 shows us in our spiritual state when we are clothed in our own selves and not in Christ Jesus. We are "naked" and have no power against the flesh. We have no testimony no witness for His sake. Even Peter follows afar off. V54

Have you anointed Jesus in your heart as the woman did. She did it in a public forum, before all. I need to pray continually for the grace of God that I stand fast and not deny Him in my daily living amongst men.

It is very easy to praise the Lord and worship Him amongst the believers in church and fellowship, but I need to be faithful even amongst the unbelievers and deniers of the faith.

Though there are many areas of the faith, doctrines, that we may not agree on; let us pray for each other and lift each other up to the throne of grace. Let us pray even for the people God has placed over us in positions of authority. ( Romans 13: 1-5, 1 Tim 2:1-6; 2 Peter 3:9)

Let's lift up the current administration, President Biden, in Christ Name. Those who sit on the bench of the supreme court and of course our 100 senators and 441 (or so) house representatives. (435 stated elected, and 6 from the territories and common wealth of the USA). Sorry for the civics lesson. Pray for your own local state leaders.

God bless all. And lest we forget, pray for the peace in Jerusalem. May we be found faithful as we await the coming of the Lord Jesus in the clouds. 1 These 4: 11- 18

Brother Earl. I've never thought that "we are Christ's garments". I've always understood that Christ is our garment. Galatians 3:27; Romans 13:14. And that we are "in Christ": Romans 8:1; Romans 12:5; 2 Corinthians 5:17. And "Christ in us": Colossians 1:27; 2 Corinthians 13:5. Any further thoughts?

Hi Tod.

I second what Brother Adam has said,

There is no excuse for slavery. but Romans 13. has nothing to do with slavery.

The Government is not perfect and neither are we, but they are ordained to keep law and order.

Romans 13:4. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Those in office have the same struggle in the flesh as we,

And we "ALL" know right from wrong.

John 1:9. That was the true Light, which lighteth "EVERY MAN" that cometh into the world.

It has always been like that and always will be until the prince of peace come.

God bless.

May the Lord bless our walk with Him. May we go forth bearing precious seed into the world we live in and obey the great commission by making disciples. Let us pray for the authority over us, for God ordained them ( Romans 13: 1-5; 1 Tim 2:1-3)

My prayer is that no one be lost, and that all find the salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ. ( 2 Peter 3:9)

May we all abide in His Word. For His coming is nigh.

Hi Vince,

I'm not here to get in between this discussion. Just wondering who are "these people" who teach and keep people from reading the Old Testament you have stated twice now? Obviously no one here, I know of, as the Old Testament is regularly spoken of and promoted.

There is a New Testament(Covenant). Here's God speaking of it in the Old Testament, Jeremiah 31:31-34. Yes the Old Testament is quoted several hundred times in the New Testament. Though there are many things in the New Testament not in the Old Testament.

Just to be clear to maybe help others you are conversing with. What are God's Laws or God's Commandments you are stating we should follow? All of the 613 Mitzvot laws or just the Ten Commandments?

Jesus Christ is the way.

1 John 3:22-24 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

Romans 13:8 & 10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God Bless.

Greetings to all,

My feelings of believers, in Christ, being divided by all types of "doctrine and beliefs" is very saddening. I come as a peacemaker. As I have seen and been involved with debates about many things such as(needing to speak in tongues to know you have the Holy Spirit, keeping the 7th day Sabbath, you only have to believe to be saved, etc).

I so understand that no one is exactly the same and we may have different perspectives on things. Us being able to have peaceful conversations with one another is a Blessing. Even though we all being different, with different gifts and abilities, Christ is the same.

I just want to focus now on what I feel is most important. Love. If we truly live our lives with a pure heart founding ourselves on loving one another. We are fulfilling the law and God's Will. There is nothing greater than love. As Jesus Christ stated there is no greater love than to lay down his life for his friends. We should lay down our lives for Jesus Christ and let Him be the author of our lives. Him showing His love for us as He gave His life, as a perfect sacrifice, to save us from our sins. Also how much our Father loves us by sending His own Son to be a free gift of Salvation. That we may all be one in Him. He is the only way to the Father. The Lord searches hearts and knows all who are His. Let the Holy Ghost lead you to follow after Christ in His ways. To do what pleases Him.

In truth I say that I love you all and all of you are in my prayers every day. I could go on and on though I want to just read the Holy Bible. I shall leave a just a couple Scriptures for you all that the Lord brought me to that fit this post.

Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 4:7-19.

In humbleness, God Bless you all!

Yes: 1 John 1:8, Romans 3:10.

Do we still sin after becoming a Christian?

In all kindness. Like stated if you think that shall do better please do it.

So even though "hel" and "hell" sound exactly the same when you say them now it's down to how you spell the word? Not how it sounds? As stated this to me would be going down a rabbit hole.

About the story of the "rusty bones" do you think the mother was putting some curse on the child or something by saying that? My father used to tell me eating the crust of bread would give me curly hair. Obviously not true. To think that mans knee problem had anything to do with what his mother told him is pretty much a long shot. I'd probably start asking about the mans life. I know many people who have bad knees and are still in their thirties. Along with older who have had knee replacements. It's not because of what their parents told them either.

One thing I was thinking about sharing with you was my grandmother. I used to always wonder why she never replied back to me after I told her I loved her. Though I cannot imagine having a more loving, precious, grandmother than her whom I was blessed to have. She did not have to say she loved me every time I saw her. I truly don't have one memory of her where she did not have a smile on her face and was so loving and caring toward me. She was such a good person and I know she is at peace with God now. She probably knew that saying "I love you" too much would get old and she didn't need to say it. I know she loved me dearly by who she was. Not her saying it.

As I will not use the word you don't like here anymore only for you. Not that it will do any difference though like I stated I am only thinking of you.

And maybe to make you feel better know that when I say "that word you don't like"(which I still use as there is no wrong to it) it sounds like "hallo" with smiles.

Showing our love toward one another in deeds in life is very much more important than just words. 1 John 3:18.

God Bless you Sam.

Hi Richard,

Thanks for you comments!

We as true Christians have the Love of The Spirit of Christ in us, so even if we say "Hello" all day long, we still have that Spirit of Love within us to show love and be love.

However, the sinners, the people of "the carnal world" are not like that.

They do not have "The Holy Spirit of Love" in them, so by default they follow the deceitful desires of their carnal mind, and with little or not resistance.

All the good things that carnal men and women do in the world is because of The Holy Spirit compelling them in certain areas to do good.

So, for carnal men and women to accept a new greeting like "LoveO" as a default greeting, this certainly over time can also use that to help change their mindset and way of thinking so they show more love and less hell!

Also a far as names go, "hel" is NOT the "Hell".

I personally know of a Christian Pastor who when he was very young and also throughout out his adult life, his mother use to tell him that he had "rusty bones". He offered absolutely no spirtual resistance to those negative words his mother spoke over him for more than 40 years.

So guess what happened to him? Before he was even 60 years old, he had to get surgery for both of his knee caps replaced. Why? You guessed it!....because of "rusty bones". The cartilage thinned on his bones out and over time the wear and tear caused his knee caps to became unusable.

So, anytime you can speak words of healing, love, and life into the mix of your everyday life, and over someone else, do it, because it is the right thing to do it, and it benefits both the sinners and the saints.

Hi Rob,

I don't think anyone here has ever said Jesus Christ is God the Father. He is the only begotten Son of God. Like you stated flesh from being born of Mary. Though no virgin can give birth to a person. They must be conceived. The Holy Ghost is what conceived Mary. The Holy Ghost is of God. Jesus Christ was not just a human like you or me. He was part human part God.

I was wondering if it was the same Rob I have had conversations before about the divinity of Christ. In your question about "God not being flesh". Which I believe we all know. Also has nothing to do with Jesus Christ being God the Son.

He is on the right hand of God. Nothing is above Him and everything is below Him. Just as God the Father as they are ONE. Also the He existed before the world was.

As I might as well bring this up as well as I know some believe this view. That Jesus Christ received the Holy Ghost at His baptism in the Jordan. Maybe because of the vision John saw of the Spirit descending upon Him. Which to me was just for a testimony. Also as God spoke from Heaven. John the baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb as in Luke 1:15. I don't understand how anyone could think the Holy Ghost/Spirit of God was not with Jesus Christ from His mothers womb also. Also in that John was born of two human parents. Not as Christ in that God is His real Father. Even showing Jesus knew he was the Son of God in Luke 2:49. As we who are born again, knowing God is our Father, receiving the the Holy Spirit of adoption as in Romans 8:15-16. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and ONE with God the Father. Along with the Holy Ghost. 1 John 5:7.

No one said anyone gave anything to God the Father.

God Bless.

The verse I'm looking for in the bible is in the Old Testament. I can't remember where I read it , have not found it yet but did come across other verses , like

Hosea 11 .9 that confirms that verse and Jeremiah 32.27 , numbers 27.16

Malachi 3.6 and Luke 34.39 from Jesus himself .

The bottom line is God is Spirit and creator of all things visible and invisible. That's the father .

Jesus is man and also born of The Spirit of God , and flesh of Mary , but he is not the father either , the father never had or will have flesh .

Therefore Jesus is the Son of God the only begotten.

All things Jesus has have been given him from God the father .

No one gave anything to God the father . He is God alone .

Amen

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To Rob: sorry I didn't see your question was about God's flesh. Here's some interesting, thought provoking scriptures.

Exodus 33

17 And the LORD said unto MOSES, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, AND LIVE.

21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my BACK PARTS, but my face shall not be seen.

John 4:24

GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Genesis 15 (ABRAHAM COVENANT)

8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?

9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.

10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.

12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. (God)

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying:

Mishael

There's 128 verses with flesh, in the New Testament KJV

1 Corinthians 15:39

All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Revelation 19:18

That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Romans 8:3

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 8:12

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

2 Corinthians

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

Philippians 3:4

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

Ephesians 2:11

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Mark 10:8

And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

2 Corinthians 5:16

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Ephesians 2:3

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;

Johnny Ray,

There is only one name we have repentance and remission of our sins, there is only one name we have salvation, there is only one name we have hope in eternal life, only in the name of Jesus we are sanctified, justified. Jesus is the resurrection and the life, Jesus is the true vine, Jesus is the light of the world, we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The reason Matthew 28:19 is used for baptism, in my opinion, is for support of the Creeds that many Christian denominations hold for Christian unity (ecumenism).

God bless, Ron

I tried searching just the word flesh on multiple search engines and the verse does not show up , what are they hiding ? I guess you have to go to a hard copy to get honest answers .

Think about it God says he has no flesh , and he changes not ever . That's something to consider .

It simply means, 'to give' or 'to bestow'. The tribute money (or, tax) had Caesar's image on it which could be concluded that the money was produced by the Roman government & was lawful to be used accordingly, whether for the purposes of trade or for paying one's dues.

I read in the Old Testament God speaking that he had no flesh . Yet I can not find it in word searches it never comes up ? I read it not long ago but I can not remember where .

He said he has no flesh . Or not of flesh , I don't remember the exact wording but the idea was no flesh . Thanks if you can find it for me .

What does Render mean in Matthew 22nd:

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Sam,

You are so right. God is Love. By being loving and being kind to others, we represent Jesus the best way possible.

The visible world is where we stand and love others, inside of.

The invisible world must be discerned. We need to be alert. Good, evil; angels and demonic are all in the same landscape.

Jesus said he has overcome the world. We are overcomers through His life. And we are wise children, mild as doves; just like Our Savior is.

Peace be upon us. Mishael.

Blessed Mother's Day upon everyone who nurtures a child in their life.

Hi Sam,

Just to put in my perception of this issue you brought up. If you want to greet people with a new word thinking it is going to do something better feel free. Do you really feel that shows more love to others? Though in my eyes it really does nothing.

Are we not to love in deed and in truth from the heart? Not just from the mouth in where saying "I love you" to someone so much may become empty. It may become just as empty faith. What matters is if you are showing your love to that person in life in deeds/kindness etc. Not just words. Isaiah 29:13, James 2:14-18.

We must come to the realization that the entire English language was put together by "pagan" people. There are many, many, words that may have some meaning to them. Though to us it is just a word in our language.

Truly I would not give so much thought to using the word "hello". As I saw you said people should change their names if it has "hel" in it? How can you stop there? What about the word "help"? A new word for that too? You might as well make a whole new language. If that makes you feel good have fun. Please don't think using certain normal words in a kind way does anything wrong.

Thinking that way would just be going down a rabbit hole with no end. Focus more on the Word of God and doing the will of our Father in Heaven.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life!

God Bless you Sam.

Why do you assume no one in the Bible was ever baptized in father, son, holy ghost? I bet most people were. Just because something isn't quoted in the Bible doesn't mean something didn't happen. For instance, the Bible never says Jesus took a bath or used the restroom, but it's not illogical to assume He did, in fact, it would be illogical to assume He didn't.

Hi,

Thanks for your comments!

God tell us not to be conform to the ways of the carnal world!

Just because the people in the world speak a certain way doesn't, make it right!

"Therefore come out from their midst and be separate, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean, and I will receive you." 2 Corinthians 6:17

Romans 13:8

You give more glory to The Lord, Jesus Christ, when you greet people with "LoveO". God Is LOVE.

Faith worketh by Love." Galatians 5:6

The powerful armor God works by Love. Love never fails!

Ephesians 6:11-17

11. "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes."

12. "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

13. "Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand."

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14. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place"

15. "And with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the Gospel of Peace."

16. "In addition to all this, take up the Shield of Faith, with this you are able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one."

17. "Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is The Word of God.

Oh yes, Go first to the Holy Spirit and the Scripture ..... the Mind of the Spirit no rust our God is a consuming FIRE I also like Charles Capps. Thank you Mishael, I appreciate all that you share.

I will write to you a little later. One preacher who speaks well on the Authority of Jesus is Charles Capps, can be viewed on YouTube. I still watch them.

Blessings on you. Ask the Holy Spirit to anoint you and teach you.

Thanks for your comments!

To clarify, I am saying, you can use the word hell anytime you want, but that it is spiritually much better for people to greet other people with, LoveO, instead of HellO!

Subconsciously and spirituality over time it is better for both the sinners and the saints!!

I certainly do like people saying to me "LoveO",

Reminding me that I owe love to people.

If for the pass 200+ years, the sinners and the saints were greeting each other with "LoveO", instead of HellO, there would be a lot less 'hell' in the world today!

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Also, if someone's name is Hellen, or some other word that has some negative overtones to it, then they can change their name to something more positive, if they want to! God changes peoples names all the time!!

Look at Abram!

God changed Abram's name to Abraham, and then God changed Abraham's wife's name from "Sarai," meaning "my princess," to "Sarah," meaning "mother of nations". Genesis 17:5 and Genesis 17:15



God changes names of people for spiritual reasons all the time!

God The Father even gives Christ a "new name", and this is for "spiritual" reasons first.

Revelation 3:12

"He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name."

Mishael, can you recommend (of course apart from the Bible) any good scripturally based books on

spiritual warfare? Or would you recommend getting well-versed in the Bible alone? Thank you . . .

I was saved out of Buddhism, the occult and New Age practices. I need to be fully armored in the Word

of God. God is preparing me to battle, I'm very aware.

Thank you Mishael

II Cor:3-6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."