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I believe that the wisdom shared in Psalm 37 has more to do with a godly person's inward response to evil & evil workers that are constantly around us. We are not to be troubled by them (v1), we are to trust, delight, commit & rest in the Lord (vv 3-5,7), & God's Judgement on them is certain & complete (vv 2,9,10,13,15,17,20,22,28,38). So there are more reminders of God's dealing with those that do wickedly & for us to know that wickedness will always be around us but we need to take care of our personal steps before the Lord (v23).

There are many Scriptures about discipline within Christ's Church, one good example is in 1 Corinthians chapter 5. Once error & sin goes unchecked in the Church, then the 'whole lump' becomes infected & virtually useless. If we don't do our job then God will have to clean it out His Way: first with His gentle correction ( Hebrews 12:5-11) & then more severely ( 1 Corinthians 11:27-32).

And our response to societies' judgement of wickedness? We know that as long as we have godless men in positions of power, whether at the top or in control of the various arms of government, then overlooking sins & miscarriages of (true) justice will always be the order of the day. We are to never condone their acts but we're told to be subject to them ( Romans 13:1-7) as their primary goal is for the care & well-being of society. However, I don't believe it would be wrong to make your views known to them (by letter, newspaper submissions & not by raging marches), particularly as most of us here live in democratic, free speech & expression societies. Many other governments would imprison you for such outward expressions. It's possible that so much of anti-biblical laws passed & disregard to decency by the governments are because that Christians have remained quiet. The Gospel proclamation requires also the proclamation of godless behaviour in all aspects of society.

Hi, True, but even the stars of God call men to repentance. Josephus the historian, said something similar happened with Abraham.

On the justification of Abraham, did this happen also outside of the law?

Scripture tells us, nobody ever sought God. The Lord Jesus said, no one can come to me except the Father, which has sent me,draws. Everyone that hath learned of the Father cometh unto me. He that cometh unto me, (in that way) I will in no wise cast out. Other place, therefore I said unto you, ye cannot come unto me, except the Father draws him. From that many walked no more with Him. For a natural man standing next to Him, this is the normal response. Everyone spiritually dead will react the same way, for

He that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. No works of man,period. Romans 4: 3-4.

The people wanted a king, but God sends leanness in their souls. God gave David being a king after His own heart and Israel was blessed. Rulers who ignore God, are rulers of darkness.

How do we line up to this confession of faith?

"We believe and confess that God has ordained power & authority, & set them to punish the evil, & protect the good, to govern the world, & maintain countries & cities, with their subjects, in good order & regulation; & that we, therefore, may not despise, revile or resist the same, but must acknowledge & honor them as the ministers of God, & be subject & obedient unto them, yea, ready for all good works, especially in that which is not contrary to the law, will, and commandment of God; also faithfully pay custom, tribute & taxes, & to render unto them dues, even also as the Son of God taught and practiced, & commanded His disciples to do; that we, moreover, must constantly and earnestly for the prosperity of the country, that we may dwell under its protection, earn our livelihood, & lead a quiet, peaceable life, with all godliness & honesty; &, furthermore, that the Lord would recompense unto them, here, & afterwards in eternity, all benefits, liberty, & favor which we enjoy here under their praiseworthy administration."

Romans 13:1-7 Titus 3:1 1 Peter 2:17 Matthew 22:21 Matthew 17:27 1 Timothy 2:1

Certainly God hears the prayers of the unsaved! Otherwise, how would He hear your cry for repentance and prayer FOR salvation.

God is ever present, always watching, always listening to all mankind. If you are unsaved, today is the day to repent of your sins, believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, died on Calvary to take your place, arose the third day, and is sitting at the Father's right hand making intercession for you and me every time we sin. I pray you will trust Him as your Savior and become a child of God. All you have to do is repent, believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and accept His salvation! Don't delay, He's coming soon!!!!

Know that only Jesus Christ can take away your sin.

Pray without ceasing.

Study and apply the principles found in Romans chapters 6 through 8.

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. ( James 4:7)

Walk in the light and confess your sins to the LORD (1 John chapter 1).

Walk in the Spirit ( Galatians 5:16)

But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.( Romans 13:14)

Carleton,

I agree that we as believers can freely rest and be justified in God's commandments and enter into the Rest that is given through the grace of Jesus Christ.

You say "Jesus came to fulfill the commandments"?

I disagree.

Jesus came to fulfill the "law" ( Luke 24:44).

One "jot"or one tittle" of the LAW will not pass until ALL is fulfilled ( Matthew 5:18)

These are powerful words from Jesus that should not be dismissed or overlooked. ALL has not been fulfilled yet, therefore the LAW still stands.

Love is the fulfilling of the LAW ( Romans 13:10)

That means that the LAW is still in effect.

Only ONE person that ever walked the earth did not NEED the LAW.

The rest of us need repentance every day, because we break the law every day.

The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled blood and other certain ORDINANCES of the Law, but did not abolish the LAW itself.

How can we "rest" in His commandments when we break them?

Our rest comes through faith in our repentance and His promise of forgiveness and a new standing in Him from that.

God gave Hitler his power (Saul wasn't merciful either, but he was made King of Israel by God himself), therefore, if your ruler is bad, you have to obey him, and not kill him not damage his government via terrorism or other methods.

Even the antichrist need God's approval in order to obtain power.

We are to love what God loves and hate what God hates. The evil in our land with all these anarchists is not to be tolerated. They are calling good evil and evil good. Pray that God will win this fight for us, because we can not win this battle between good and evil without Him. Thank you.

Kags

The fact is that I righteous by keeping the law, but through believing that Christ died in my place so that I may live. But being forgiven does not mean you continue in sin. The Decalogue shows the character of God which is Love Deut 6:5, Leviticus 19:18. And John 14:15, 15:14 shows this more clearly. Christ called us into obedience as He did the Israelites, He delivered them from bondage and then gave them His Commandments Exodus 20:1,2. If I claimed to be saved and love God, yet I fornicate, kill, tell lies, steal, disobedient to parents etc, would this bring praise and followers for Christ? Read James 2, 1 John 2:1-6, 1 Cor 6:9-10, 2 Peter 3:16, Romans 13:8-10, 6:23 and you will see.

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Satans time is short and he's doing all he can to make us unemployed, sick, scared, suicidal,addicted,sad

1 Samuel 18:4 Exchanging Armor

And Jonathan stripped himself of the ROBE that was on him and gave it to David, and his ARMOR, and even his SWORD and his BOW and his BELT.

Jesus exchanged HIS armor with US. Why?

Because we are warring against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:10-18. Read ALL those center column references to other Books. See Isaiah 24:21-22. Romans 13:1-5,11-12; John 12:31

Jesus did not leave us here to just wear a wedding garment and hold a lamp of oil.

He left us scripture that we're to do spiritual war in the heavenlies. It's about strong faith and prayer: intercession; "standing in the gap". Jesus is making intercession for us right now! People come into the prayer room with grievous problems we SHOULD BE praying & doing war for. Ephesians 6:12, Romans 8:38, Colossians 1:9, 16-17; 2:15. 1 Thessalonians 5:8

Standing in the gap is when you hold a lamb in your arms of prayer, and war against the demonic hoards that are trying to kill it; steal its life, destroy its hope in Jesus! It should make you want to save that lamb. Do you have any "lambs" in your life? Are you willing to snatch it out of the hands of Satans hoard of demons, WITH the WORD of God?

You have a wealth of Bible Knowledge but are any lambs being saved with weighty speech? Don't you want to receive a Crown at Bema Seat? What would Jesus do? He showed us in His Gospels. If we are His followers we will imitate what he was Doing.

Multitudes of people are committing suicide for unbelievable reasons. That's on Satans scoreboard. Is there anyone who will challenge that? Do you know how to take the scriptures and frighten the demons off of someone on a chair with a rope around their neck? Or a hypodermic needle going in an arm.

Parents!Pray rightly for your kids. Punch out Satan! We have permission!

Very enlightening to google Bible Covenants! Covenants are very binding and that's why we are warned to not enter one lightly.

1 Samuel 18:4 Exchanging Armor

And Jonathan stripped himself of the ROBE that was on him and gave it to David, and his ARMOR, and even his SWORD and his BOW and his BELT.

Jesus exchanged HIS armor with US. Why?

Because we are warring against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:10-18. Read ALL those center column references to other Books. See Isaiah 24:21-22. Romans 13:1-5,11-12; John 12:31

Jesus did not leave us here to just wear a wedding garment and hold a lamp of oil.

He left us scripture that we are to war against spiritual war in the heavenlies. It's about strong faith and prayer: intercession; "standing in the gap". Jesus is making intercession for us right now! People come into the prayer room with grievous problems we SHOULD BE praying & doing war for. Ephesians 6:12, Romans 8:38, Colossians 1:9, 16-17; 2:15. 1 Thessalonians 5:8

Standing in the gap is when you hold a lamb in your arms of prayer, and war against the demonic hoards that are trying to kill it; steal its life, destroy its hope in Jesus! It should make you want to save that lamb. Do you have any lambs in your life? Are you willing to snatch it out of the hands of Satans hoard of demons, WITH the WORD of God?

You have a wealth of Bible Knowledge but are any lambs being saved with weighty speech? Don't you want to receive a Crown at Bema Seat? What would Jesus do? He showed us in His Gospels. If we are His followers we will imitate what he was Doing.

Multitudes of people just in America, are committing suicide for unbelievable reasons. That's on Satans scoreboard. Is there anyone who will challenge that? Do you know how to take the scriptures and frighten the demons off of someone on a chair with a rope around their neck? Or a hypodermic needle going in an arm.

Parents!Pray rightly for your kids. Punch out Satan

Terry, I can't offer any one Scripture to answer your question but the two that come close to that, would be Romans 13:1-5 (speaks of our subjection to our governments & their laws) and Acts 5:29 (when apostle Peter retorted to the High Priest that they would obey God rather than man). So we should be obedient to the government, yet if its laws contradict God's Laws, then our obedience is to the Lord first & foremost. And those occasions would be, when the government forbids the preaching of the Gospel, our attending Church or other laws that work against Christians for the working of their faith. And this evil will ultimately be manifested at the appearing of the Anti-Christ.

Some countries are already facing some persecution now as non-Christian governments oppose the work of Christians. And of course, we see much of this now in the laws from our Western governments as they pass anti-Christian legislation & laws which go against the teachings from the Word. We are grieved by what we see & feel helpless to make a change (even our Christian politicians don't seem to be proactive in this), therefore we are cast upon Him for Strength, Grace & the knowledge that He will bring all sin to light, with many of our government heads facing the greater judgement for their wickedness. The Bible also speaks about those who have the rule over our souls (i.e. Church leaders) as they too will be held accountable for the quality of their leadership & care ( Acts 20:28 & Heb 13:17). So each of us will be accountable, but more so to those who have been placed in power & authority over us.

Russell Rose on Hebrews 13:17. In Titus 3:1 and Romans 13:1 we are told to be good citizens. However, that doesn't mean we have to tolerate tyranny. God has given us the ability to govern. In the US, for example, men, guided by God and Biblical principles, put that ability to work and developed the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. As long as the people in charge of government implement its precepts properly, we ought to form a part of it, support the government and work to improve it.

However, when governments, and that also applies to churches and other organizations, depart from those principles, it is up to us to point it out, speak up and rectify it. See Nehemiah 9:27 and Esther 4:14. Christ worked within the established Roman and religious rules in Israel. However, He also pointed out the contradictions that existed within the religious order of the Jews. Christ wasn't a revolutionary, because He came with a Mission. His Mission was not Social Reform. His Mission was the total defeat and annihilation of death, corruption, evil, pain, suffering and idolatry (exalting other things in place of God).

Robert,

I was unable to respond, as the thread was locked for additional comment. So I am responding here.

The parable of the sower describes four different heart conditions. The condition you bring up is the person represented by the stony ground. They get excited about the things the Lord. They began to blossom with their emotion right away. You begin to see those signs above ground, and it appears to be instant growth. So this person gets excited, but then when it's time to start maturing in the Lord, which comes through trials and tribulations, that person is immediately offended.

They don't have that happy feeling anymore, they are not excited anymore. Now it is time for growth. Now it is time to settle down with the Lord, and they get offended and they leave. That person was never saved. This is not a person that was once saved, and then walked away and lost their salvation. They were never saved, period.

In the Parable of the Sower, there's only one person out of these four that are saved. Only one person bears the fruit of salvation, and that's our number four man. None of the other three bear fruit, meaning none of the other three represent salvation.

It seems as though you are saying that belief in a pre-tribulation rapture would cause someone to be persecuted, or perhaps cause them to forfeit their salvation? Am I just misunderstanding you? Jesus said we can expect persecution for His name's sake. It should be no surprise to us if we are persecuted for identifying with Christ. Thanks for caring about me. I care about you also. But don't be too concerned for me because I believe in Pre-trib. That will not separate me from Christ. I thank you for the YouTube invite, but something deep inside my spirit tells me I need to be cautious, so I will respectfully decline.

Pray for understanding j shall RECEIVE understanding

I been giving three sentyse smells in different times and I am trying to understand what the Lord is trying to tell me. The smells fresh water, fresh dirt , honey suckle flowers

Does God hear and answer prayers of the unsaved ?

Emil, a definite NO: Hitler can NEVER be referred to as God's Minister. If for nothing else, he did everything that was opposed to the Bible & the Message of Love & Compassion that were Jesus' foundational teaching. I think you may have heard something that has made you wonder about Hitler's religious stance, rather than your personal belief. I truly hope it's not your belief.

From a religious viewpoint, you're correct, he was raised a Roman Catholic & received its rites, though always in conflict with its teachings, indeed of Christianity itself. Hitler, was essentially a megalomaniac (one who is mentally ill resulting in delusions of greatness about himself; & we likely have some around us now!) & a Gnostic, who, in one of its beliefs, considers one's own knowledge & mental prowess, to be above virtue & godliness. If anything, he was AN anti-Christ, of whom some in his day, even considered him to be THE one, but as Mickey has well described him: he is "like a choir boy compared to what the Antichrist has planned for the world". An apt description, as if a German (or an ally) was obedient & subservient to the Nazi philosophy & rules, then he got on okay; just as in the day of The Anti-Christ, when one is fully obedient to him. If any opposed him, the results would be horrific.

comment by Alex about y Jesus was born. It was that he might be multiplied in our hearts via a seed resulting from his death, when a seed dies it multiplies ( our new heart and new spirit ) is th result of his death,smite the shephard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the little ones a baby Christ which is the H.G. AS THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT OUR NEW INNERMAN has to be born in us. That was the great Promise in the beginning I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven speaking of abrahams' heavenly seed Christ Jesus. Thats y th woman ( humanity ) is giving birth simply b/c of his death, the only way we can see him is by his death, he said unless a seed dies it abides alone ( just 1 christ ) but if it dies it will bring forth much fruit (many Christ as the stars of heaven ) That was the great Promise,The fruit is his offspring the H.G. an Isrsel of God ,the multiplication of very God in humanity via his seed sown in us sinners. Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the Word of God but there wd have been no seed if he had not died,when a seed dies it multiplies that all the world might get a seed an incorruptible seed that is gonna destroy our old adamic nature thus destroying satans head mans adamic nature that is in rank with satans head.outta of the hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil, Thats y he refers to the H.G as the PROMISE,THE H.G is the multiplication of Christ that results from his seed th word th new covenant in our hearts thus a spritual pregnancy resulting in a Child, she brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations. The Child is the h.g. that is gonna rule all nations as Jesus said the spirit of truth is gona reprove the world of sin and righteous and judgement which answers to the kingdom of GOD coming from with in US. The reason issac was born was that abraham might be multiplied,The reason Jesus was born was that God might be multiplied in US sinners remember the PROMISE GB

Who told you that?

Hitler was not a Christian; not a minister of God.

His deeds were evil. He was a follower of Satan. He murdered over 6 million Jewish men, grandmothers, grandfathers, women, children, babies, so satan could destroy Gods people. Hurt God.

The only reason to remember his name is to warn people now that Hitler will seem like a choir boy compared to what the Antichrist has planned for the world. Repent

Be born again now. Choose Life. Help people you love, be born again too. Time is short.

Based on Romans 13:4; How can Hitler be a minister of God?

Where in the KJV is the scripture which says "Obey the laws of the land for these are the laws of God"? I'm not referring to Romans 13:1-7 or 1 Peter 2:13-17. What I'm looking for is in the Old Testament. Can anyone please help me? Thanks

There are Scripture references to this which are general warnings. The first one we cite is: Ephesians 5:18 "Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit". Apostle Paul warns of high consumption of alcohol which leads to loss of self control & sin, but rather to be filled (drunk) with God's Spirit. A believer filled with the Holy Spirit is truly a joy to be near rather than one who is inebriated. Other references: Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, 1 Corinthians 5:11, 6:10, Ephesians 5:18, Genesis 9:21, 19:30-36, Proverbs 20:1, 23:20,30,31, are some for you to look at. So, alcohol is not prohibited per se , but warnings are given which should alert us to its use/results.

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20 We must remember there is only 1 way to understand God's Word. That one way is the true way God intended. There are no "interpretations". That is man's lie. I have trouble understanding things in the Bible too - I pray to God to increase my faith and help me understand. He always answers this prayer, because it is His will we understand! Go with the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, brother!

The commandments of God are comprehensive and far reaching; in a few words they unfold the whole duty of man. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength..Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Mark 12:30, 31. In these words the length and breadth, the depth and height, of the law of God is comprehended; for Paul declares, Love is the fulfilling of the law" Romans 13:10. The only definition we find in the Bible for sin is that "sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4. The Word of God declares, "All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. There is none that doeth good, no, not one.

yes I have a question wat iz paul actually saying here in verse 1 thru verse 4 of Romans 13 and thank you in advance for your reply.

Barbara, there is severe punishment ( Hell Fire) if the person does turn from their evil ways, and turn to the living God and ask for forgiveness for their sins that they have committed, God is merciful and will forgive that person if they will turn to the Almighty God and repent of their evil ways.
Please read the following KJV bible scriptures: Romans 1:26-27 - 1 Timothy 1:10 - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Galatians 3:28 - Galatians 3:26-29 - 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Leviticus 18:22 - John 3:16 -
Romans 13:14 - Galatians 5:22-23.