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First of all, thank you all for your awesome site! I absolutely love it! Its taken me about 40 years to get to a point of having some understanding of God's word. It never ceases to amaze me.The Bible is a way more effective tool when we use it to verify situations,occurrences, and then refer back to the word with comparative principal. What this vlearly represents is a form of slavery that seems to have been around since the fall of man/angels in the "garden".

From angels fallen to mankind,and mankind falling to a beast commonly known to is todsy as "hu-man". Sons of God, to sons of man...and then sons of perdition. With our birth certificate created at our birth, they created a "CORPORATE FICTION"...An "Ens Legis. It is in all caps and has the capacity and status of a dead body...It is a corpus. The State captures the soles/souls on a document brfore our babies feet touch the ground and claim jurisdiction over them/us. If Jesus tells us that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us, then where was this battle in Heaven where Lucifer and his angels warred against Michael and Gods angels actually taking place? When God created Man in the Creation account in the beginning..It was an equal creation...Male and Female He created He them. But this garden story where you know who happened to be a third party and led the male and female to sin and to "fall" through what I have come to clearly understand through Gods Loving Mercy and Grace, is that the forbidden fruit was Sex.Out of wedlock. Which is the act of "reproduction" ,NOT "Procreation" which in turn made them something God did not intend on them being. The first/original estate is mentioned in the book of Enoch. It speaks of how the angels that fell turned away from what God wanted for them/us ,so they became manifestations of themselves and not Gods intended way. Once I was at the end of my rope, and surrendered ,then came understanding. I could go on and on. ALL PRAISE AND GLORY TO THE FATHER! God bless you all!

The day of the Lord is a very specific day of destruction from the Almighty; Judgment day for the people of earth. It is not an everyday occurrence: Mystery Babylon and the entire Babylonian system comes down in under one hour. The day of the Lord is synonymous with the 6th trumpet strike: Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Ez 21:1-24, Ez 38:1-17, Jer 50, Jer 51 and Rev 18. It is Jesus who comes like a thief on HIS day named for HIM to lay the land desolate. The spoiler at noonday (anti-christ) Jer 15:8 places the abomination of desolation that obliterates both corrupt houses of Israel to dust. America by fire, and Israel by invasion/captivity as they reap Jacob's 6th trumpet time of trouble.

Michael,

You seem to believe in your own doctrine in that only those who can speak in tongues have received the Holy Ghost. I am sorry to tell you this but you are wrong. Others have posted much Scripture on this that you seem to want to ignore. Nit picking verses like Mark 16 and thinking Jude 1:20 is the same as speaking in tongues. Seeming to have more zeal for different tongues than the teachings of Christ and the Word of God in the Holy Scriptures. God knows when we pray to Him no matter what, of the thousands, of languages it is in. God reads hearts not just an angelic tongue.

. 2 Corinthians 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

God Bless those who have the gift of speaking in unknown tongues. Like I stated before I see no use for this gift and am not interested in asking for it. My Father and Lord Jesus Christ know when I am speaking/praying to them.

I wish you well on your journey. God Bless.

The 6th trumpet changes the world with much violence. 'Jesus thief' and his northern army will cover Mystery Babylon like a cloud. America to desolation, Israel to captivity, both taken in the self-same hour. 1) Obadiah saw it coming, he saw Esau (Russian confederacy) destroy Jacob (US, Israel), whole. 2) Dan 11:40 The king of the north (Russia) destroys the king of the south (US, Israel). 3) Rev 17 & Rev 18 the beast plans, then destroys Babylon. These 3 depictions do the prophets use to signify the day of the Lord strike, and no one describes the missiles any better than Joel 2:1-11. It's not a standing army, but hundreds of 200 mega ton warheads.

Connie, No apology necessary, I've been on this site for only a matter of a few short months myself, and yes I agree that the comments are varied in nature, but most I believe are meant to help us on our faith journey, I know it has helped me. If I may ask one question, do you believe that the narrow road to our salvation leads to the cross, and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Not sure if you have ever heard of Billy Graham, he passed away a bit ago, but his sermons are on you tube and some of his sermons are about the real meaning of the cross, and the importance of it.

Have a great day,

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

"Not of works, lest any man should boast."

If you are a born again Christion, you are in the kingdom of God, and will go up in the Rapture. The kingdom of heaver is the 1,000 year reign of Christ and is for those who make it through the Great Tribulation.

Peter never preach that Christ died for our sins, His Gospel is different from Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles. In Matthew chapter tem Jesus commanded his disciples not to go to the Gentiles; the only exception is Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and preached to one Gentile in Acts 10. The Apostle John's Gospel to the Jews is John 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." Plainly the Gospel, but different. Plus the kingdom of God was taken from the Jews in Matthew 21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Paul had to explain his Gospel to the disciples about 18 years or so later. When Paul preach to 12 Jews in Acts 19, he preached almost the same gospel as Act 2:38. The Gospel for the Jews, and the Gospel for the Gentiles are plainly different.

What was the Gospel that Paul was preaching to the Gentiles.... What was it that the Scribes and the Pharisees did not believe in .. ??

Im sure you understand that it was more than just believing in a name it was more than the initial repentance,

John baptized in water to bring us unto repentance mmm But Jesus was the one that baptizes with the Holy Ghost and with fire...

What is the purpose of the three baptisms. ??????

I believe he can talk to you , the problem we all have is are we listening ....lolol

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Heb 1:1-2

God spoke directly to Adam, Cain, probably Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Hagar, Jacob, Moses, Balaam, Joshua and there are more. I happen to believe that most appearances of The Angel (messenger) of The Lord is The Pre-Incarnate Christ. Paul heard from God on the road to Damascus and maybe in his 3 years in Arabia.

God can do whatever He chooses to do. As a rule in this age, God has spoken. I do nit believe that there will be any new revelation. The canon is complete.

Has or does God talk directly to an individual

Here is what God says you must believe to be saved (born again) during the Age of Grace. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" This is Paul's Gospel, and the Lord Jesus Christ sent Paul to preach to the Gentiles.

The "Day of the Lord" is the Great Tribulation.

2-25-21

Peggy thanks for responding to my Comment. I agree all things will be revealed. However,

God will reveal many things before the sound of the Trumpet. He that has ears let him/her "hear"

what the Spirit says. Also, we are warned to try the Spirit to see if it is from God or the Devil.

I believe God for myself and pray your strength in the Lord.

I'm sure they were terrified!

Hi Mild Bill,

""I reject your thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation""

Bill You're going to Love this!!

I reject my thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation also!!

Guess why, I never thought that, In fact mever said it either. You would have to go back maybe a week Past your first response and pull up a separate thread then come forward to this thread and you will see I went to great lengths to show why I believe " A body of believers called out of all nations is a nation of its own, called the Church. It is what will be raptured up. There is no geographic land mass we can call a holy nation.

But Israel ( in a different way )

Here is the comment you're referring to:

"A Christian nation it shouldn't be no different"

This was a sarcastic rebuttal to that notion embodied in a larger statement that shouldn't have been mistaken.

There was another thread that went on for a day or two displaying foolish pride that needed to be dealt with.

That's when I started a separate thread with the rebuttal.

You may have missed that because maybe a day or so later you responded and again today.

I have seen the pictures that have returned from Mars. what a difference between our galaxy and the one we see around Mars! A difference in the positioning of the stars, and the night sky . How thankful I am, that God placed the earth where He did and that we are not struggling to survive on this destitute place! If I have come away with anything, it is how thankful we should be for what He has given us, and how we should respect the earth and the life in it! How the nature and the creation are exactly what the bible say " the evidence of things that appear" The eternal God head.

You said, "skins (are) a general term for the outer covering of the animal body. Now they are like the animals -not good not holy. After they sinned God saw them as animals."

So what you're saying is that if we cover human beings given to sexual deviancy with the skin of animals, then God sees them as animals. What if I choose not to cover myself with animal skin, but still given to unnatural sex, would I still be seen as an animal by God? Does the skin covering make us resemble animals before God, or is it our sin that makes us sinners before God? Or, maybe the animal skin covering for Adam & Eve was simply a covering to cover their nakedness, which they sensed as a result of sin being committed (which had nothing to do with any sexual deviancy, but a sin of disobedience & pride).

Further, Matthew 5:32, "fornication" doesn't imply 'unnatural sex'. It could include it, but 'fornication' is a word that covers any sexual act, & in this case, such an act that is pursued with another person other than one's spouse. In those days, such grounds for divorce could be pursued in either a pre-nuptial or post-nuptial situation: where the betrothal period was seen as binding as the actual marriage itself. So if evidence of unfaithfulness, even at this early period came to light, the betrothed husband could rightfully put away his (soon to be) wife. To force a meaning of 'unnatural sex' is really a vain attempt to bolster one's support for that belief.

Frank ,i think i understand and agree with you ,i have tried to read some Bible commentaries and as soon as i read something in them that i think is wrong i cant tolerate them any more ,i think the best thing to do is just keep reading the Bible ,all of it over and over again ,then you start to see the links and the perfection of God for yourself ,you start to see the parallels and the conections ,its a joy ! It never hurts to ask for some one elses opinion ,it might be very helpfull to do so but i belive in learning things for yourself ,study and search and as Jesus said "let these saying sink down into your ears " the Bible is avery big treasure chest and you have to keep digging and rummaging through it day after day and enjoy it .

Oh no I understand, thank you so much.

I know god is love and faith

Pochalla, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His knowledge.

Let's try with the Spirits working to perceive what the Spirit calls the DAY OF THE LORD.

Amos 5:18-21 Woe unto you that DESIRE THE DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is DARKNESS, AND NOT LIGHT.

(20) Shall not the DAY OF THE LORD be darkness and not light? even very dark and no brightness in it?

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned in darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COME.

Is this prophecy yet in the future or has it already been fulfilled? Other scriptures and the symbols represented in them provide the answers.

Psalm 89:34-37 .....(36) His (David's) seed (Christ) shall endure forever, and his (Christ) throne as the sun before me. (vs) It (Christ and his throne) shall be established forever as the MOON, AND AS A FAITHFUL WITNESS IN HEAVEN.

Revelation 1:5 And from JESUS CHRIST, who is my FAITHFUL WITNESS IN HEAVEN. The Psalm says the MOON is the faithful witness implying the moon is symbolic of Jesus.

The prophecy says the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the MOON into blood. Has this already happened?

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there out BLOOD...

THE DAY OF THE LORD is every day and has been going on now for two thousand years.

Christ through the working of the Holy Spirit has been coming (the second time lake a thief in the night to those who look for him).

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; AND UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.

Spencer the verse where you mentioned you would get a translator is why when you receive the Holy Spirit you speak in tongues ..God translator .....

We are saved from our past sins,,,, we are being saved from our present sins and if we endure our own cross and overcome we shall be saved....PRAISE GOD.

Did Jesus die and resurrect to save sinners with there sin or sinners from there sin.... i believe that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ. I believe that Salvation is not the gift but is the result of the Gift... I believe that its all about Jesus its all about his Character . we are to take up our own cross and follow in his footsteps , not to say that we alone can obtain unto the High calling of Christ, for it is of him to will and to do of his good pleasure... its Christ in us the Hope of Glory , that is able to reconcile us back into an Holy and Unblameable relationship with God the Father.

Hello Spencer

When you pray in and unknown tonigue you are speaking to God not men and its not the natural man praying its the spirit of God the Holy Sprirt because it knows what God requires of us when we pray .Paul aslo explains that speaking to the natural man in tongues does not benefit them because they would not understand only God does ....and unless you have been in a pentecostal church that uses the sprirtual gifts rightly you will never understand how its used in the church.....Many pentecostal church never use the gifts because they have previeved ideas how its done ......

The Bible says it is appointed for man to die once, what about the people that go in the Rapture. When will they die?

Melisa I agree totally. Ive no idea if this verse applies to current circumstances, but my God given intuition tells me that there is a monstrous (satanic) deception taking place. If something doesnt look right...then it probably isnt.

Nina,

"And, behold, (1) the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and (2) the earth did quake, and (3) the rocks rent; And (3) the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God." Mat 27:51-54

This was preceded by 3 hours of darkness from noon til 3 PM.

We are not told any more information about the saints who arose only to die again as did Lazarus who who Jesus raised from the dead. Jesus was The Firstfruits of those who have died In Christ.

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." 1Co 15:20

The Old Testament saints, believed God, just as Job of old trusted God.

"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me." Job 19:25-27

We will be raised INCORRUPTIBLE!

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1Co 15:51-52

These that arose were not changed; not raised incorruptible.

Just so you know, many Bible reading Christians don't believe that. Do you truly believe that saying a dirty word is just as bad as committing mass murder? Or do you believe that someone committing violent rape is no different than telling a white lie?

This needs to be called out, because sometimes even Christians use mental gymnastics to pretend that their sins are 'ok'. No, it's not ok. Jesus said to not sin. He said cut off your own hand if you have to, to stop sinning. Do absolutely anything possible to stop it and avoid going to hell. If you ignore Him and sin, that's like you slapping Jesus in the face. If you keep doing it, it's possible you're not even a Christian. A Christian is a Christ follower which is an action. People who enjoy committing sin and following the world will probably go to hell, whether they call themselves a Christian or not. That is the reality that fewer people these days are grasping the seriousness of. Matthew 7:20-23.

If sin didn't matter, why would there even be a judgment day and why would sins even be reviewed in front of God? Sin absolutely matters and every single thing you do to violate God's commands will be judged. Romans 14:12

I think the false assumption comes from misinterpreting a verse. Sin is sin, but it does not mean all sin is of the same severity. That is a false assumption. For instance blasphemy is different than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says flat out that you will not be forgiven for the latter. There are more Bible references to prove that sins have different severity. Matthew 12:36-37

God bless...