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What is the definition of the suffix ites and Ian example cannaites and ephisians

Jesse, that was a wonderful insight (via Greek) into such a compelling portion of Scripture: I would never have considered the actual meaning of this discourse you presented, so this was quite a revelation. We do have the Greek Lexicon within reach but it's a case of putting in the time & effort to examine specific verses from it. Many thanks again.

I lived in Tulsa 3 years as a contract draftsman. It's a whole different world of Christian ministry there. The unbelievers there hold nothing back at unrestrained mockery & public ridicule. That's where I was learning street ministry.

Public is not like in here. I apologize for over-reacting.

There is one gift it is the Holy Spirit acts 2:38.

When you recieve the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, The Holy Spirit comes into you with all the other manifestations of the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12.

Try typing Andrew Wommack Ministries into Google or some other search engine - he has LOTS of free resources on his website. I hope this helps. A free online study Bible is e-sword. Type this into Google and see what you think. If you want a physical study Bible its worth visiting a Christian bookshop to find one that is perfect for you as there are many to choose from. I hope this helps. :-)

Do not rely on JMO when it comes to the word of God, search the scriptures to find truth. The verses shared tell more than I would even write. If you follow Daniel's prophecy concerning the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:18-26 and Revelation 13:1-9, then read the history, for prophecy fulfilled is history, you might get an understanding who the antichrist is. Read the history of what brought about the rise of protestantism and how Christians were persecuted and who did this.

Exodus 19:4 "You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagle's wings, and brought you unto Myself."

God told Moses to tell the house of Jacob and the children of Israel this phrase.

I guess it is how God protected the people of Israel thru the entire journey to get away from the Egyptians. And that God will do the same thing when the people of Israel escape into the wilderness once again in the tribulation. God is going to prove to His people who He is by protecting them once again.

I don't believe the U.S. is mentioned in scripture.

And the women in Revelation is referring to the nation of Israel.

Kags

The fact is that I righteous by keeping the law, but through believing that Christ died in my place so that I may live. But being forgiven does not mean you continue in sin. The Decalogue shows the character of God which is Love Deut 6:5, Leviticus 19:18. And John 14:15, 15:14 shows this more clearly. Christ called us into obedience as He did the Israelites, He delivered them from bondage and then gave them His Commandments Exodus 20:1,2. If I claimed to be saved and love God, yet I fornicate, kill, tell lies, steal, disobedient to parents etc, would this bring praise and followers for Christ? Read James 2, 1 John 2:1-6, 1 Cor 6:9-10, 2 Peter 3:16, Romans 13:8-10, 6:23 and you will see.

Chris,

Love is another great example. For a long time I wondered why Jesus asked Peter three times "Peter, do you love me?" You would think once or twice to confirm would have been enough, but a third time? Someone told me it was because Peter denied Jesus three times, and that's why Peter was asked three times do you love me. It sounded okay at the time.

But that's not why at all. Again, we see love being used in John Chapter 21 and we know what love is from an English standpoint. But Jesus asks the first time "Simon, do you love me more than these? Jesus uses the word Agape. Peter responds using the word Phileo for love. Both words are translated love in English but have different meanings in Greek. The second time Jesus asks, He again uses Agape, and Peter responds with Phileo. I remember when Jesus told Peter he would deny Him three times, and Peter's response was that he would never deny Jesus.

So Jesus asks Peter twice "Do you love me? Do you Agape me?" Peter responds again, you know I love you, you know I Phileo you.

Here's the real kicker. The third time Jesus asks "Do you love me," Jesus uses Phileo. Jesus used Agape the first two times and Peter responded with you know I Phileo you. So now Jesus is really challenging Peter by saying do you really Phileo me? And Peter gives the most perfect response imaginable. Peter says "Lord, you know all things!"

During this whole exchange between Peter and Jesus, they both used the word love, but they each used a different word which gives us the true meaning of what that exchange was all about. This is why I love the Greek.

Agape is the highest form of sacrificial love there is and it is produced by God's Spirit. Phileo is human love and affection. Peter wasn't about to make the same mistake again by responding back to Christ and saying yes I Agape you. Peter realizes that Jesus knows his heart.

I didn't mean for this to be so long but you brought up a great example and I wanted to share this. God Bless!

Yes indeed! That's correct and refreshing to here it. Thank you!

So thankful for the Lord being my Shepherd. He will not allow any bad things to happen to me. He is

always with me. Even allowing "goodness and mercy" to follow me. All of the days of my life these

Angels are with me. Happy that each of God's children have their own two (2) angles to be before and

after them where-so ever they go. I have prayed this Psalm with me through many surgeries and life's

happenings. God never , never has left me alone.

Barbara, I would like to add, Job, had his friends and they tried to figure out what Job did wrong that God would cause all those things to happen to him. Job proclaimed he did nothing wrong. It was Satan, if you remember the story. Just as in Verse 9 neither the man nor the parents sinned. It was so Jesus could heal, he was born blind. In Job, we learn of the Leviathan and the Behemoth, two powerful creatures that are neither good nor bad, they just do their thing and sometimes cause misfortune. But, Job was not a sinner though people thought he was and he argued with God. He layed it out to Him.....And, God responded

Jacob, deceived his father Issac and his brother Esau, and ended up wrestling with an angel not letting him go, (like wrestling in prayer not quitting till he got an answer). The angel named Jacob, Israel. So, if you see Israel and Jacob in the bible, they're the same person. And, if see a name with "el" in it, el translates to God. (Immanuel, Michael, Gabriel, El Shaddai, etc). You asked a very important question. I wanted to be thorough to offer some kind of help, in your seeking God. Remember, Jesus came to Earth looking for us.

This is for Barbara who asked if God hears sinners. I think, Barbara you read in the chapter verse 31, where the Pharisee talked about God not hearing sinners. Even though this is the New Testament, the people still only had the Old Testament ways about them. They had 613 laws to obey. They did different kinds of sacrifices to "cleanse" themselves. Jesus, had an amazing task. He had to challenge and change the only ways the Jewish people ever knew. That's what is meant by new wine in old skin, or new cloth on an old garment. Jesus, simplified the law (laws) even the 10 commandments into two commandments, love God with all your heart body soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus, changed thought process to no matter what work we do, we can't buy our forgiveness. It is a gift, through our belief, faith and trust in Him and God. So, yes God hears sinners. Everyone is a sinner. Even the preacher at church sins. The only work that God wants us to do to "earn" salvation, is work on our inner selves. To Love Him and our Neighbors. To work on our selfish, carnal ways. To seek the Spirit, and not the flesh. Not to abuse Grace. So, when we sin, to repent and be sincere, we are saddened that we hurt Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit. Have you ever hurt your mama's feelings and felt bad for doing it, cause your mama loves you? The Pharisee had spiritual vanity, they thought themselves above every one else, they were self-righteous. We have to remind ourselves, we are saved by Jesus' works and sacrifice and the Love and Grace that God gives us. Yes, he hears us, and he wants us in prayer, heart felt prayer, lay it on the line, speak honestly. It doesn't have to be fancy. Just be real with Him. He hears us, us rotten sinners of whom I am the worst said Peter, and I feel that way at times myself. And, I keep praying knowing he hears me and is molding me. Jesus taught the Lord's Prayer for sinners. The Disciples sinned. Peter denied Jesus as the cock crowed.

Freddie, He is calling His people to prayer and repentance. Troubling times serve us by bolstering our faith and bringing about our total dependence upon Him.

Hello Debbie,

It's nice to see someone here who shares the same last name as myself. Yes, I agree that God knew Judas would choose evil over Christ. In fact, I think that's why Judas was chosen. God needed someone evil to carry out an evil deed. And yes, the bible does tell us when Satan entered into Judas. But what I notice is that this was all in God's timing.

Here's the scary part of this whole thing. Remember when they were all reclining at the table and Jesus said didn't I choose you 12, and one of you is a devil? One of you will betray me. Neither of them knew who it was. They all asked "is it I?" Even Judas asked the same question. You would think that after three years together, and now Jesus is saying one of you will betray me, that they would be able to guess who it might be. But they didn't know. That's the scary part. This tells me that we can have people in the church who look like followers, act like followers, and claim to be true believers, but are not. What a scary thought!

Yes, Judas was part of the 12. But did you know he was a thief? He was in charge of the money bag and he was stealing the money from it. This would be like one of us stealing money from the collection offering at our church. Judas was evil the entire time. How do you correlate Judas as proof that someone who is a follower and serves Christ can fall away from God? I don't see Judas as being a true follower or one who served Christ.

What I notice in the gospels is that every time Jesus shared an intimate and private moment with a few of His disciples, it was usually with Peter, James, and John. They seemed to be part of the "Inner circle" so to speak when it came to being close to Jesus. Never once do I see Jesus sharing an intimate moment with Judas.

As far as free will, you please share with me your full understanding of free will. I would like to know your understanding of free will before I respond with my thoughts on free will.

Let's fight the good fight! Love our neighbors as ourself and remain reconciled in the blood of the Lamb until our last breath.

I saw this list the other day and was floored with the number of names. When I pray I'm listening for the FRUIT name; what "it" does. Some of these preside over drug addiction(sorcery).

I had 2 brothers die from drugs.

I'm thinking I'm blessed to be alive. I've seen stuff... Thank God for warring angels.

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Jezebeth - (Unk) the demon of falsehoods.

Kali - (Hindu) daughter of Shiva, the destroyer. Kali ("the black one") is the Hindu mother goddess, symbol of dissolution and destruction.

Kasdeya - The Book Of Enoch refers to this demon as the "fifth satan"

Kobal - (Unk) Hell's entertainment liason.

Kostchtchie - (Russian) a goblin of death.

*Leonard - (see also Urian german) Demon of sorcery . Appears as a giant black goat.

Leviathan - (Hebrew) the serpent, the raging sea. Snake worship. Water Elemental. Grand admiral of hell. Seen as androgynous.

*Lilith - (Hebrew) in Hebrew myth - Adams first wife. Later wife to Satan. According to many demonologists, Lilith presides over Succubi. Lilith is said to attempt to destroy newborn infants. For this reason the practice of writing a formula to drive Lilith away on all four corners of the birth chamber was adopted by the Jews. Lilith is the princess of hell.

Loki - (Teutonic) devil.

Lucifer - (Roman) The Light Bringer. Air Elemental. Often misconstrued as being Satan. They are two seperate demons.

Lucifuge, Lucifuge Rofocale - (Roman) devil.

Malphas - (Unk) Grand president of the infernal regions. Appears as a crow.

*Mammon - (Aramaic) god of wealth & profit.

Mandragoras - (Unk) FAMILIAR demons. They are attributed to the mandrake root and considered gifts from Satan to the SORCERER who conjures them.

This is a sliver of the list. These things are real. I have to pray. Are we experiencing a new release of these things on people?

Backslid, fence sitting people? People who don't read their Bibles for themselves?

I just peeked at The Commentary Box.

It's talking about leaving your job and family, to go on the road to evangelize the lost, heal the sick, cleanse the leper's, etc.

Ministry would become your new profession. As Chris has said from his ministry days; it's a hard life at times, but fulfilling.

The poor you'll always have with you.

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Not many people want to be involved in full time or part-time ministry nowadays. It concerns me: The Prayer Request Room needs ministry in there every day. Can't we all give one hour a day to pray for folk?

This website needs to fix the rooms so there are 3 separate rooms with comment separated by room name.

There needs to be directions on how to get to the Commentary Box easier.

Cya

god loves you

I agree. This is one of many examples in the Bible of Christians losing their salvation. Technically, salvation isn't given anyway until we're judged after this life, but its correct to consider oneself saved by grace as long as they're following Christ (a Christ follower). The problem is I hear Christians want the best of both worlds- they want salvation and they want an unlimited excuse to sin and to indulge in all earthly pleasures. Those two things are incompatible just as Jesus said. You're either following Jesus or you're following the world. It can't be both. Most people will go to hell as so many parables explain, so I personally am not going to take any chances.

To Mishael: Yes Mishael, evil spirits are very real, but thanks to Jesus we have power over the enemy. I do want to ask why you felt the need to tell me not to mock things I don't understand? Have I offended you in some way? Was it my comment about Benny Hinn that bothered you? Again, I am not certain as to why you felt the need to respond to something I challenged. We as Christians are to test the spirits, and to prove all things. God's Holy Word is what we are to use as our plum line. With that said, let God be true, and let us lean on Him and His grace.

Well, God knew that Judas would choose evil over Christ. However, according to the Bible satan didn't enter into Judas until the last supper when Jesus dipped the bread and handed it to Judas. prior to that Judas was one of the twelve that was chosen by Jesus and he also was sent out by Jesus with the other twelve to save people, and heal people. So to me this is Proof that God gives man free will to choose. Also this to me prove that someone who is a follower and serves Christ can fall away from God.

Jesse, thank you again for imparting your knowledge for our learning also. The other thing I learn here, is that our English language often lacks specific words to describe the intended meaning. The usual one we refer to is: Love. In English, we are compelled to qualify it if we are to accurately convey our meaning. Whereas in Greek & I'm sure in some other languages, a specific word for it has already been established. It must be quite a rich experience reading the Scriptures in Greek (& Hebrew of course), as one can then 'enter' the heart of the writer & make the reading rich in our minds.

Of course, we all have something to share with each other, & hopefully some needed wisdom & guidance to others in the future, whom the Lord might lead to this Site to get some answers. I see a real on-going ministry here for each one of us: being available to the Lord to be used to help someone else & to learn ourselves. I certainly don't regard myself as having anymore knowledge than another, indeed, the more I study the Scriptures, the more apparent is my ignorance. I learn much from what others share here & particularly the varied opinions & determinations given, information that sometimes I've never contemplated. Yet, from sharing in written form we miss out receiving the intended expression as we would when making eye contact, with intonations, quick clarifications, interjections, etc., so therein lies an unavoidable weakness which sometimes causes us to think of someone writing in an inappropriate way. The Lord indeed bless you in your life & ministry to us & others.

This is why a born again believer must finish the race reconciled with God and their neighbor.

All great actions and thoughts have a negligible beginning.

All of these verses speak about THE Antichrist. Most Bible Concordances will list



1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Revelation 13:1-18 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (Read More...)

1 John 4:3 - And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Read More...)

1 John 2:18 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Daniel 11:21 - And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

Daniel 7:25 - And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Just one more thing kind sir,

I am not too sure that I can say with certainty that Judas did not commit the unpardonable sin. There is nothing in scripture that would have me to believe that Judas ever surrendered His life to Christ or that he was a true follower. Sure, Christ chose him as one of the 12. But Judas was evil. I believe Christ chose an evil man to fulfill the prophecy saying He would be betrayed. Jesus chose an evil man to fulfill that role and Judas was that man.

This commentary is from the Commentary Search feature of this website. It's below the Search Box when you enter this site.

Check it out.

Wesley's Notes for Genesis 25:31

"Sell me this day thy birth - right - He cannot be excused in taking advantage of Esau's necessity, yet neither can Esau be excused who is profane, # Heb 12:16|, because for one morsel of meat he sold his birth - right. The birth - right was typical of spiritual privileges, those of the church of the first - born: Esau was now tried how he would value those, and he shews himself sensible only of present grievances: may he but get relief against them, he cares not for his birth - right. If we look on Esau's birth - right as only a temporal advantage, what he said had something of truth in it, that our worldly enjoyments, even those we are most fond of, will stand us in no stead in a dying hour. They will not put by the stroke of death, nor ease the pangs, nor remove the sting. But being of a spiritual nature, his undervaluing it, was the GREATEST PROFANENESS POSSIBLE. It is egregious folly to part with our interest in God, and Christ, and heaven, for the riches, honours, and pleasures of this world.

Thus, God hated Esau.

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But God says "Jacob have I loved, and Esau I have hated." It's taken from Malachi 1:2-3. If you go back to Malachi Chapter 1, you find out that Jacob and Esau are associated with Israel and Edom.

So it wasn't about choosing one person over another or loving one person more than the other. He was choosing Israel over Edom. He wasn't choosing for salvation. Even Ishmael, when he was asked to leave the camp, he was told by God that he would be provided for.

There was just as much opportunity for the Ishmaelite's to be saved as anyone else. When God made a choice, He says through Jacob will be my promised line. He wasn't telling Esau "I hate you so you're not going to be saved!"

Jacob and Esau were not in competition as to who's going to be saved and who's going to be rejected. This is the choosing of who Israel is going to come through. Jacob was chosen for the chosen line and it was all of God.



It is interesting that when God made His choice, it was the opposite of the human because in the human, whoever is born first has to be the firstborn and he gets the promise of the firstborn.

So before they were even born, God says "Well, I don't want to do it that way because then man will say that he was in line anyway. So I'll choose the second because he's not supposed to be, so I'll choose him just to show you that it will be of God."

That's what we are looking at here. The emphasis is when God chose Israel, not all of Israel is Israel.

But there is an elect within Israel who are Jewish and are Hebrew that God has chosen and it's through Abraham, through Isaac, and now He has chosen through Jacob.

That doesn't mean Esau is not loved by God and that Jesus didn't come and die for the Edomites. Yes, He did! He's not choosing salvation. He's choosing which line Messiah is going to come from through this entire nation of Israel.

I hope this helps!

Dianne,

In Romans 9:13 it says "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Now that's a pretty serious statement to make.

The terms love and hate are what are called words of comparison. Obviously, love and hate, there is a comparison there, but the words themselves don't mean He loves them and He hates them, or He loves one more than the other. As a matter of fact, these words are found in the New Testament.

We think that was harsh but look at this. In Luke 14:26, it says "If any man come to me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brothers and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Now that's pretty harsh! You have to hate your mother and your father, and wife and children, and brothers and sisters? Now I can probably pick a couple out of there that I'm glad He said that! But it makes it pretty hard. What do you have to do, go home and show your hate towards them? What's He trying to say?

The Greek word for hate, MISEO means to love less. It doesn't mean hostility. In fact, Jesus, in Matthew 10:37 says "He that loves father and mother more than me is not worthy of me, and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

He's talking about comparisons. The comparison is that Jesus is saying you must love me so much that in comparison to everybody else, it looks like you hate them. I mean it's not even close. Jesus said there cannot be me and somebody else!

That helps explain in Exodus Chapter 20 where God says you shall have no other gods before me. Except in the Hebrew, it says you shall have no other gods except for me.

In other words, it's not putting God first, and then we have our other priorities. God says I'm your only priority. Wow! We have no obligation in the flesh. Our one and only obligation is to follow Christ.

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