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"And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude."(32:12)
This sand points to triadic motif and consider this verse, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea," John's vision takes him spiritually among nations referred in Ch.11. "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth./ And the temple of God was opened in heaven."(Re.11:18-19) The nations at the time of wrath are not what we have standing on mount Sion. (14:1)
In order to understand the first fruits we need to go back God's promise to Abraham. Faith is the key here. "And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be./And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness." (Ge.15:5-6) Abraham is set as the double for his Son Jesus Christ, "after our likeness." Abraham's faith is same as in Christ. So these saints are holy nation, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"(1 Pe.2:9) This nation is not of Abram nor is it from Jacob but heirs of promise. "And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness."
Abraham and Israel made two circles in which God gave both heavenly vision so God is in straight line of vision whether up or down or across. "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth" promises his disciples,"and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."(Matt.28:20; Is.40:22)
"And Abram went up out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south." (Ge.13:1)
Abram is without a heir. At the end of making a circle his name is changed into Abraham. "but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee."(17:5)
Jacob similarly makes a similar circle but it runs across. As with Abraham his name is changed from Jacob to Israel. "Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel."(35:10)
From many nations Israel is associated with Jacob. Both Abraham and Israel stand as double for Jesus Christ who serves as the sign. Abraham heard the call (12:1) and when God tells Jacob "And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God." (35:1,7,15) Bethel is set in an altogether context. Bethel was earlier called Luz ; After Peniel incident seeing God face to face, Bethel acquires significance. God blesses Jacob to promise, "And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed." (28:14) The same promise conferred on Abraham is extended to him. (12:3). Also 13: 14-17 El-bethel signifies that God restores fellowship with Israel and no more his name shall be Jacob as was on his flight from Esau. So the house of God signified spiritual regeneration of Israel mentioned in vv.2-4
Nations are differentiated by triadic motives of dust, sand and stars. "thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth" (13:16) After the Mahanaim episode where angels of God met Jacob God promises still better than the quality of dust. "And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude."(32:12)
"And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth./ And the evening and the morning were the fifth day." (Ge.1:22-23)
Upto v.21 what the everlasting covenant has laid out dealt with the seed that was in itself. The word was God and the heaven and earth seeded with the will of God. The life was in Jesus Christ and the quality of it was to bless life in whatever forms it took. "In him was life; and the life was the light of men"( John 1:4). Marine life and terrestrial life alike were to be blessed in the man created after our image and after our likeness. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." (Ep.1:3)
God gives man a body after the likeness of Man glory of which is different from other lifeforms. "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." Their glory is considered as one with the body God is pleased to give man. It is for this reason God laid own one fifth the value of it. "f a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep."(Ex.22:1) The man and ox is considered as one since the beast is his livelihood. As a steward he represents the day Five as he is counted one with Christ in his glory. (1 Co.15:38-39).
Everlasting covenant blesses man as a steward so vv.28-31 is on account of ' wherein there is life,". These blessings once released is from everlasting to everlasting.
God is tagged as 1; Heaven as 2 and the day Three refers to the Son whose obedience gives the word a body. The grass , the herbs and the trees having seed in itself are triadic motives. In short "after our image " gives man a part of the FatherSon relationship; After our likeness refers to the Son whose obedeience to fulfill the will of the Father a visible image as the Son of man. He is set as a sign.
Ezekiel accordingly was "after our likeness". This point is brought out in Ez.3:1-2 where God gives the prophet a roll to eat."Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel./So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll." He is a witness as Jesus Christ was. Inner man corresponds the true Light which God sent out. But how do we walk? "Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word./ With my whole heart have I sought thee:" (Ps.119:9-10) Where one is conscious of the seed within the only way of witnessing Godis to 'walk the talk'. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." (Ps.119:105)
Triadic motives of the inner man,-the mouth, the heart and the belly ought to direct the feet. By fruits ye shall know the quality of inner man.
"And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good./And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."(1:18-19)
By abiding in the true vine the fruits we produce are ripened under the true Light. So man is not only after our image but also after our likeness." We are part of the two great lights set in heavenly places. We rule over the day and over the night since we have the light of the word within us guiding our paths and we are growing from glory to glory. This goes on from everlasting to everlasting. This is what the command number Four signifies.
Up and Down it is same as it is across since Jesus Christ is the same. (He. 13:8)
Adam showed he had free will and we live with its consequences. God did not tell a direct No since He had breathed into him to know the consequences- he has foreknowledge. 'The seed in itself' is what soul means. Man's ability to know the truth by the light of the word (Word which was God) makes his inner man. He has ability to know and it is evident in his sudden sense of shame at his nakedness.
God's commandment was, "And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:/ But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."(Ge.2:16-17)
Moses's exhortation: "
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" (De.30:19)
Holiness of God sets free will but whosoever is from God does not sin, since 'be ye holy for I am holy' has been shown as doable by Jesus Christ
I can assure you that in no way whatsoever do I consider you a liar or deceiver, so let's please put that to rest right now. I wish you would not have brought that post back up because it was a while back and if anyone that did not read the original discussion, they are going to think that the words you just sent in quotations were my words, and they were not my words, but yours. I do hope we can move away from that. But just so you know, I trust you to be an honest person. I am close to being done with Matthew and should begin posting on it soon.
God Bless!
Jeremiah 20:7 O LORD, thou hast DECEIVED me, and I am DECEIVED: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, everyone mocketh me.
Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be DECEIVED, when God have spoken a thing, I the Lord have DECEIVED that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand on him, and will destroy him from my people Israel.
Do we have free will; or, are we just and instrument in God's hand?
God Bless You
I don't believe that Momsage was directing that to me. She is aware that I do not read the NIV, so sending me the history of it would be of no benefit to me. I know she has mentioned that she's not very good at posting yet, so maybe she meant to begin a new thread? I don't know if that's the case, but I don't think what she posted was intended for me personally.
As for Revelation 22:18-19, I am also in the camp of those who believe John is referring to the book of Revelation. Going back to Chapter 1 where John is told to write the things he saw. John got to see prophecy unfold (as it was happening, I believe) and he was told to write what he saw. He ends with the warning not to add to the prophecy of the book he wrote.
What's interesting to note is that in Revelation 1:3, it says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." Now here's something that I think is very important. The book of Revelation is called prophecy. Words is plural, but prophecy singular.
But this book is called prophecy. The book of Revelation is God's final prophecy, and final message to His church before He comes back. Revelation Chapter 22 says don't add to the prophecy of the book. It's the last book of the bible. That's why it is there. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Just think about all these "Modern day Prophets" proclaiming that God gave them "new" prophecy. We're not to even go there!
God Bless!!!
That is not the end of the matter however. Jesus promised a ressurectionat John 5:28-29
for anyone wanting to know
When a person is strong, with Pride,they are weak with Faith
when a person is strong in Faith , pride is weak and not needed
self Pride and Faith Do Not Mix...
Faith will march a person right into the gates of Heaven
Pride will hold them back
"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." (Ge.1:5)
What is a day where God is a Spirit and his kingdom is from everlasting to everlasting. "Thy kingdomisan everlasting kingdom, and thy dominionendureththroughout all generations." (Ps.145:13)
The Spirit uses tags in order to instruct man in order to focus on the Man . "For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell." (Col.1:19). The Spirit first gives us a context as to make the meaning clear. "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:/Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son." (Col.1:12-13) The kingdom of the Father Son relation ship is an everlasting kingdom.
In Man the fulness of God has invested the inheritance of the saints in light. Separation of light from darkness (Ge.1:4) gives us additional knowledge of "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."(2 Co.4:6) This knowledge when understood leads us from glory to glory. (2 Co.3:18). So faith with works explains what it is to abide in Christ.
First day refers to God the Father.
"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (1:8)
Heaven refers to the word of God revealing the glory of God from everlasting to everlasting. "His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof." (Ps.19:6,1). The word of God causes heat which we notice in the Emmaus incident. "And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"( Luke 24:32)
"And the evening and the morning were the third day."(1:13)
God is tagged as 1 Heaven as 2 and day Three refers to the Son.
I Corinthians 6:12-20 KJV
MY RESPOND:
COGIC WORSHIP God that is Jesus Christ of death, burial, and resurrection from the dead. God that gives you freedom to speak &behaviors .God of subjection and subdues. God that is committed unto you & teaches you how to be in commitment. God that is protector of soul, body, mind. God that allows to become like God. A God that is holy."
Man have his body formed out of ground which is his natural body. As a living soul his inner man represents the body God has prepared in his Son. This two worlds have only one speech which is faith. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Man created "in our image" nevertheless has body, spirit and soul move as one. This has its triadic motives in his inner man which we shall examine in this post. "I am theLordthy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it./But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me./So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels."(Ps.81:10-13)
Mouth: "Open your mouth wide, and I will fill it." God's voice promises blessing. When one believes and confesses Jesus as the Lord unto salvation.
Heart: A spiritual space where truth holds a candle,Spirit holds a candle, "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."(Pr.20:27)
Belly: refers to the earthy. From the Psalm quote, Israel's problem was that their heart was not right before God. So the candle was out and they walked in their own counsels. Their walk was different from what St Paul refers to his walk, "For we walk by faith, not by sight:)/We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. "(2 Co.5:7-8) He walked as Enoch and Noah did. This is what inner man does in obedience to the word sown, and bearing fruits do. So man cannot please God without faith. "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."(Ps.119:11)
How do we read the Bible. Natural man applies reason which is like watching a 3-D film without polaroid glasses. Hence we have all the heresies we wrestle with to no profit.
Instead hear with ear of faith and see with eye of faith which shall build us up.
Abraham believed in the Lord; so did Peter and John. (Ac.5:15-16) Their shadow healed the sick and in the case of the lame beggar the apostle explains, " yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."(Ac.3:16) So Jesus holds the key between up or down. Across similarly must explain the role of Jesus. In short Abraham is set down by the Spirit 'after the likeness'. He paid tithes to Melchizedek the high priest of the Most High goes beyond Levitical priesthood. Jacob promising similarly "I will surely give the tenth unto thee."(Ge.28:22)
In his flight from his brother Esau we have another circle traced by Jacob. At Bethel he sets up a stone. "And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first." (Ge.28:19)It evokes Jerusalem which was inhabited by Jabusites before David took it with his sword. It is to Bethel that he went as commanded by God. "And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother."(35:1,7) Up or down and across these patriarchs were after the likeness of Jesus. The circles represent the role of nations upon which God sits the sovereign Lord." It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in."(Is.40:22)
Jacob's prayer,"And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude."(32:12) We shall see three fold division or triadic motives in the quality of the seed of Abraham. dust sand and stars which is signified by Mahanaim."and the angels of God met him./And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim. Man-angel measurement. (Re.21:17)
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."
"In our image" corresponds to the body soul and spirit of man, made on the standard of the Word was God. This three fold division we see repeated in the manner man hears sees and his walk. As with man and in his inner man God has set the two worlds framed by the word of God. The Father has decreed for the Son the day which represent the unseen world and the world made to appear. We have two examples to illustrate it.
God calls out Abraham and blesses him so he is after the likeness of his Son. In Ge 13. 3-4 we read the travel itinerary of Abraham making a look circle as it were. Beginning and at the end he makes an altar at Bethel "Unto the place of the altar, which he had make there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the Lord."
In 13:15 we read his promises were in Jesus Christ. "For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever." Forever is the tag for the Son.
Thereafter he moves on to Mamre. "Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the Lord." In these two places Bethel and Mamre God refers to his seed as in v.16 "And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered." In Ch.15 we read of his seed having another quality. "And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.:(Ge.15:5). Here we have Abraham the man moving towards south and back. In v.6 faith is established as the basis for the difference in quality of his seed. "And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness."
"In straight line of vision" is a phrase to fix faith with works. Jesus made the blind look up; so did Peter and John heal the lame beggar.
"But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"
The vision of St John does not contradict the threefold divisions because the Father Son relationship and the everlasting covenant isfrom everlasting to everlasting and it glorifies Jesus Christ who is the express image and brightness of His glory. The Spirit moving upon the face of waters creates a body, which is signified with the woman in labor. The 12 stars in her crown are the heavenly places as distinct from the seven stars in the hand of Christ, Significance of numbers we shall consider in another post.
The three fold divisions we see in the sun, the moon and the stars."And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (Ge.1:16) And it is to give light on the earth which refers to the darkness. The two great lights serve as the turnpike moment for the day of regeneration. The church the holy city of god is defined as the light of the Lamb serving the left out church.
After the man child is caught up to the throne "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."(Re.12:6). The number is not about days as we known the term but Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega aspect. God has prepared for Israel and the Gentiles hinges on the selfsame covenant.
Up and down in short refers to God the Father of lights the crown of 12 stars are set in heavenly places, the angels and below man called to be holy and without blame, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." (Ep.1:4-5), In the calling of Abraham we have the same up and down, God sending him to Egypt and back to Mamre (Ge.13). Jacob makes a similar circle.
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Romans 12:1
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:5
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. Isaiah 66:2
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Revelations 8:3
also, see Isaiah 66:2-4
You will have many that will tell you the saved will go to heaven and the lost will go to hell. Some will say, like myself, we sleep in death until resurrection and no one goes to heaven, our eternity will be on the new earth. Question, when are we absent from this body? If you have not studied the Bible for the answer that would be what you should do without any preconceived ideas. In the Bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit you will be shown the truth.
God bless,
RLW
Yes, the similarities are noteworthy indeed! I do wonder (with the woman) if the crowd knew she was considered unclean as she was making her way through to Jesus. She would have been required to call out "unclean, unclean" before going around anyone. I know it's of no importance, just curious. I do appreciate you sharing those similarities.
God Bless!!!
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism,/ One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
God is a Spirit,"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honour and might forever."(1 Tim.6:16). His breath makes man a living soul. By his breath he adorned the heavens. " By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent."( Job 26:13)
God gives St John a vision which is a spiritual event and the key is held by the word of God. Let us consider the Woman clothed with the Sun. "A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:" (Re.12:1) In the v.4 we also see a red dragon."And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."
This a direct illustration of Ge.1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." The Sun denotes God while the moon under the woman's feet reveals grace which the body, the church can avail of. These stars are witnesses, whom we see in the hand of Christ in the inaugural vision. "The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches."(Re.1:20)
The woman is in labor. "And the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born" The man child is what the earth represents.Christ the Man and the child part of man child covers all 'the little ones',- the saints waiting to be redeemed from the earth" Now we can understand why the earth was without form and void.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." ( John 1:4) Now regarding the darkness it refers to the seat of the crooked serpent that is impervious to the Spirit's working. They quench the spirit so speak.
When we consider the second part of God's command "after our likeness " we shall see what grass, herb and tree stands for.
What is grass? It is a metaphor for transient nature glory of the world as distinct from the earth. The earth abides forever because the seen world framed by the word of God represents the Son. "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."(Is.40:8)'Forever' is a term that the Spirit uses to refer Jesus Christ. (He.13:8). The world is what sinful man has created which shall be purged by fire.
The herb is associated with healing and fortifying man by proper use. "Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour."(Ec.10:1) Man's failure to keep the word of God scrupulously, causes shame. The fruit bearig tree similarly turns out to be brambles for the same reason. "Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble."(Is.40:24)
After our likeness explains the passages of the Bible where it is to be determined by Jesus Christ as the sign. "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant."(Ex.31:15) Jesus is the Lord of sabbath. "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."(Matt.12:8) It is what the day of regeneration represents. Jesus Christ has brought his holy saints to God's rest. It is the crux of the blessings enshrined in the everlasting coovenant.