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Ro.8:9-10 "Christ in us"

" So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God./But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Christ in us or not is not what our reason can teach us. It is simply the matter of faith. It has been determined by God who framed the worlds by his word.(He.11:3) So either you believe the God document as truth or you reject it. There cannot be any exception to the truth. If the kingdom of God in your mind is flawed everything is flawed. If it is truth, the inerrancy of the Bible is by faith. The imposter churches create heresies by disregarding this cardinal rule. Devils also tremble "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."(Jas.2:19). Devils cannot however please God because they cannot faith which comes from hearing, hearing the word of God. "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."(He. 11.6) We see faith demonstrated by the demon possessed man. "Now the man out of whom the devils were departed besought him that he might be with him: but Jesus sent him away, saying,/Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him." This was faith created by the word of God. On the other hand the good folks of Gadarenes, "Then the whole multitude of the country of the Gadarenes round about besought him to depart from them;" Their faith was tied up with their swines. Isn't the same when these churches base faith on what is 'prosperity' and on nationalism?

In watering down Christ as the visible image of God and his words to mean less that what it says false teachers prove their gospel is of the devil and another Christ.

If Jesus died to pay for our sins, past, present and future, and we try to live right why then would you have to face judgement? What is the Bema Seat and where do I find it in the Bible? Sorry for so many questions, but I want learn all I can so I can get to Heaven.

Re.11:19 "Three Ten and Twelve" (2 of 2)

As with seven stars, seven seals seven trumpets sounding is determined in heaven. According when the seventh trumpet sounds we understand why God sanctified the seventh day. (Ge.2:3) "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." Here we are looking at the saints redeemed from the earth have entered into the God's rest.

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:"(Ge.2:3) Blessedness the covenant stipulated was all for those who entered therein by faith. For those who rejected the blessings are denoted by 7x1000. The red dragon and the beast with seven heads indicate their sinfulness was complete.

God punishes the nations that did not repent. The seven angels with vials in Ch.16 and the consequences once again follow as with the trumpets in accordance with the everlasting covenant. "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." (16:17)

"It is done" establishes the wrath of God as total. We read the same words. "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. -Re.21:6)

In addition to this the command number 3 establishes it is the Son who is fulfilling what God the Father had willed. He.11:3

Three refers to "In our image" where most holy place, holy place and saved nations we saw in the Vision of the Woman clothed with the Sun. The woman and the earth (12:18) is a tag for Israel and other nations. "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles."(Ze.14:16). This explains why gates of the city shall not be shut."And the gates of it shall not be shut" (21:25)

Re.16:19 "Three Ten and Twelve" (1 of 2)

"And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

Jerusalem was no exception to the rule governing urban sprawl where the city is a planner's dream but carefully laid out avenues, parks and residential areas burst out of its seams that soon it is a nightmare for the city fathers. Sinful man makes the city and Jerusalem was typical. "How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers."(Is.1:21). The earthquake mentioned in the wake of rapture was signified by the day of the Lord. "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,"(Ze.14:4) "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."(Re.16:20)

At the same hour indicates several climacteric changes. Israel lifted up is one event. "lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses./And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited." (Ze.14:1-0-11) This is what we shall as New Jerusalem. Below the line stretched by the angel the city shall undergo rapid changes. "and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."(Re.11:13) We shall see them part of the nations walking under the light of the Lamb. (Re.21:24)

"and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: " The result of the sixth angel sounding trumpet is given in multiples of 7 which is according to the everlasting covenant. This is obvious from v.15.

Hi Richard,

If Christ lives in you the body is dead because of Sin. Ro.8:9-11. Recalling Nicodemus who similarly doubted Christ living in a believer is to be spiritually understood. 'That God may be in all' you had better begin with faith.

Thanks Brother Jesse.

I know it have to be frustrating when you clearly stated you were going to share YOUR thoughts on some scripture from a Greek perspective and you wasn't trying to push it on anyone and yet have to be picked apart from all sides.

Don't be discouraged, you shouldn't be surprised.

In researching the scripture as suggested, I found what I thought was interesting and would like to ask you a question.

In Matthew 16:16 you mentioned the word Son used in the Greek is "HUIOS or Uihos" and that is a title of God to the Jews. What Peter was confessing was you are the Messiah and you are God.

That is also the view held by many. Also as you stated TEKNON means a child by birth. A HUIOS is someone who inherits the estate from his father. "A title of God to the Jews."

Using the word HUIOS instead of TEKNON would cause a that!

"The Huios of God" ties you to the ever lasting essence of God!

This reminds me of Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.

MY QUESTION.

When speaking of Judas in John 17:12 isn't the word Son/Huios used in the same way, as a title instead of by birth?

John 17:12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the SON OF PERDITION; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

The word perdition means "destruction, ruin, waste." Judas was not the literal son of "ruin, destruction, and waste," but those things were the identity of Judas' life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition, just as Jesus was the manifestation of God.

Thanks and God bless.

Hi Momsage,

If I may, this is in love, I feel the love you have every time I read your posts. I love the KJV it is the only Bible I read and study. There are some poor translations out there, it is not the translation of the Bible we have, it is the Holy Spirit that guides us to the truth. I understand English is a world language but less than 25 percent of the population of the world can read English.

God can reach us in a newspaper or a history book, it is our belief and faith in our Lord Jesus that will guide us and lead us in the path He wants us to follow regardless of what language we speak. Jesus said He would send the Comforter, the Holy Ghost/Spirit to teach and guide us. So whatever translation we have or language we speak, if our faith is in Jesus the truth will be shown to us. Is it wrong to warn about bad translations, No, but do not let it prevent you from spreading the love you have in you.

Please forgive me if I have overstepped or offended you in any way.

God bless,

RLW

Re.11:12-13 "At the same Hour"

"And the same hour was there a great earthquake." The same earth quake we have in the Book of Zechariah, It is called the day of the Lord. Because God is directly leading the events. It is recalled in the v.5. "and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."(Ze.14:5) Jesus speaking on the end times had warned, " But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."(Matt.24:36)

This hour is not to be seen according to earth time but according to the time which God has set in relation to Israel. Time times and a half time is set in the Command Number Ten. Zechariah tells us "And half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.:(14:4)

Here we can understand the significance of Ze.1:16 The line is stretched the holy city from the city under judgment. The voice from heaven commands the dead, and it is rapture, " great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."(Re.11:12). This holy city is 'lifted up" (Ze.14:10). The usage of 'cloud' evokes the holy angels accompanying the Son of man in his glory.

Here we have the hour again mentioned. The angel warns,"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come."(Re.14:7) and the next verse, "And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, " Jerusalem and Babylon in post-rapture is interchangeable. These are the Gentiles earmarked for the court in the new heaven and new earth.

"And the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand"

The tenth part in v.13 refers to Israel as the ten horns of the dragon.(12:2)

"And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one." That day is the day of Regeneration." (Ze.14:9)

The audacity to claim Christ is living within us.

Recently Rosaria Butterfield spoke as seen in a Cross Con site about repentance originally posted 5 months ago; but I am not sure where specifically she spoke. She mentioned how it is Christ in us and used verses in Romans about how sin dwells in us yet not I ( Romans 7:17). As to discussion on whether our old sin nature is completely dead or in a dying state as we are sanctified I will leave to another discussion. Here I am focusing on the audacity as it were; to anyone's reaction to such a bold statement that Christ lives in us.

If we think carefully; we become aware that the Holy Spirit works in a believer when we are convicted of sin and thus it is more than just carefully scripted language that fits the Biblical formula for salvation that affects anyone. The Lord chooses to use His Word along with the Spirit ( Romans 10:14) through the Great Commission to reach souls. There are instances where people read the Word and are convicted and come to conversion without a human agent directly involved in sharing scriptural truth; and reports of visions; dreams etc which have to be carefully evaluated. I believe it is possible for someone to recognize the Lord in someone even before sharing scripture. In any case the Lord does the work and receives all credit due.

Let me state what these facts are NOT.

1) Boasting in any way or through our attitudes displaying any air of superiority that we are saved; sanctified and delivered from the wrath to come. Christ Himself clearly came to serve and not to be served; and show the ultimate love sacrificing His life for His sheep ( Mark 10:45).

2) Working in our own strength to live out a life of righteousness or by merely following a confession or catechism or profession of faith.

It should be Christ in us that leads to true persecution and also draws people to Himself. It is not contention and strife merely to start an argument or get attention.

Hey Jesse,

Thank you, brother, I agree, giving our understanding even if we do not agree cannot be offensive. My understanding of Scripture has grown from discussions we have here, I have benefitted from you, S Spencer, Chris, Giannis, GiGi, and others here. Many sites unless you say you follow the Nicene Creed you cannot even post.

I understand some Bible verses can support the Trinity doctrine. I can see where in John 10:33 it says they said Jesus blasphemed because "being a man, makest thyself, God". In John 10:22-42 they first asked Jesus "If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly" and Jesus said, "I told you, and ye believed not:". So, Jesus told them He was the Messiah, they did not even accept that, but they were not His sheep, because they did not hear His voice.

We see in John 17 that the Father gave Jesus power over all flesh to give eternal life so that they/us might know the only true God and Jesus Christ/the Messiah whom the Father sent. In John 10 Jesus continues saying His Father is greater than all and the works Jesus did were the Father's works, not His, and Jesus said this in John 14:28. Jesus said, "I and my Father are one". Jesus also said in John 17 "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

John 10:34 Jesus quotes Psalms 82:6 where the judges of Israel who exercised the authority of God, are gods, gods here is the same Greek word in verses 33 and 36 where it is makest thyself God. In verse 36 Jesus rebukes them "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

What I see the works Jesus did were not His works, but the Father's works done through the Holy Spirit that Jesus was anointed with without measure. That is why Jesus said this, in John 14:17 and John 16:7.

I do thank you for discussing this with me, we can let it rest if you want to.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Giannis,

MayI add my understanding of the word? The word Genesis given to the first book is given as 'in the beginning' with reference to the books of Moses collectively called the Pentateuch, a word of Greek origin meaning "the five-fold book. It refers to the everlasting covenant with everlasting life for the blessed and for those who rejected, everlasting punishment, The seven days are articles with regards to the day decreed for the Son.(Ps.2:7). Matthew 1:1 clearly states that the gospel is "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." This generation of Jesus covers the entire day decreed for him according to the covenant. So generations of Adam, Noah are all generations in context of Jesus Christ the same He.13:8 also Alpha Omega, the beginning and the ending.

It fits with the Pauline dictum. "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."( Col.1:17)

Re.11:2 "The Gentiles"

"for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

Gentiles do not figure in the everlasting covenant between God and Man. He has called all for His blessings which we can narrowed down as applied to man who is created 'in our image and after our likeness" The latter therefore modifies the man as one who keeps the sayings of 'this book"(Re.22:9). He is man and has a spiritual ancillary which the term angel' denotes.

Two witnesses who preached are laid as witness to Jerusalem for a specific reason. "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."(11:8) City of Jerusalem is interchangeable with Sodom and Egypt or every other city that comes under the judgment of God. in Ze.1:16 we have it. "I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it,... and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem."We have in Re.Ch.21 where a single measurement settles what is holy and what belongs to the Gentiles. The Gentiles are on the down side of the line. It is interchangeable with Sodom, Egypt and Babylon. Of the last we read thus: " Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."(Re.14:8; It is Jerusalem, "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus."(17:6).

There is no mention of nations either in the everlasting covenant. Blessedness therefore is covenanted with the man, "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours."(Re.14:12-13). The word as a voice and as a sign.The two witnesses are a sign.

Re.11:2 "The court" (1 of 2)

"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:"

Notice that the angel is asking St John to measure the temple of God while in the vision of Ezekiel, "and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed;"(Ez.40:3). Who is the angel talking to John but a fellow servant? (" and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book"-Re.22:9). We find mention of one of the seven angels in the Ch.21. All these seven angels we saw here double as stars as in the inaugural vision of John (Re.1:20). So these angels are interchangeable since they keep the sayings of the book representing the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him.(Re.1:1). It is for these reason the two witnesses represented heaven and earth. Isaiah similar invoke them in the ch.1:2 " Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken," The two witnesses signify the word that God has spoken. Elijah, Elisha and all the prophets for the reason are stand-in for the Son. (He.1:1)

Since the stone was laid in Zion (Is.28:16) building program of the temple of God has been going on and God already had the saints that worship therein from heaven as well as from the earth. So where shall we look for the Gentiles? They are shown in Re.21: 22-24

Consider the tabernacle in the wilderness set is Up and Down as we see the Woman set on the moon in Re.12.

Most holy place refers to the thrones of God and of the Lamb.(Re.22:1)

Holy place refers to the city. "For the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

And the court refers to the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.(v.24).

This court is earmarked for the nations, -the Gentiles and Israel alike

Re.11:1-4 "Two witnesses" (2 of 2)

The two she bears tearing the 42 gives us a tag Two signifying the same heaven and earth concordat. Two she bears as the Spirit has used there serves us to think of the Gentiles as those who stand athwart in the Salvation Plan of God. Korah and sons dared challenge the authority of Moses and of God; the case of Aarons sons also brought instant retribution. The two witnesses represent all the martyrs from Abel to the emergence of the beast. It goes past the rapture. "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."(Re.11:7).

Re.11:1-4 "Two witnesses" (1 of 2)

In order to understand them the Spirit has laid down two numbers one of which are to be seen from the two groups from the vision of the Woman clothed with the Sun. God has prepared a place for the woman "they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."(Re.12:6). It is to which Jesus referred and also lays down the only rule to be found there. "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me."( John 14:6). So the place prepared of God holds a tag 1260. This is set in days as the everlasting covenant is marked by day. Both are consistent with the day that God has appointed for his Son by a decree.(Ps.2:7)

Another tag is set in months. "for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." Significance of month is also set by God. "This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you."(Ex.12:2). We come across this number in the life of Elisha who was jeered at for his baldness. Why would some children jeer him without a cause? The reason is simple. He is set in the God directive as a double for Jesus Christ. It is the holy angel who stands as witness before God in heaven. Jesus also quotes what the Psalmist had written beforehand."But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. "( John 15:25;Ps.69:4)

2 Ki.2:23-24. Elisha was on the way to Bethel the house of God and those children of Belial are tagged as 42. They represented sons of perdition and we read that the authority of the beast is tagged by 42. ("and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."-Re.13:5) The great dragon represents those who hated man-child. It is no brainer to think of the nation of Israel hated Jesus for the reason he came from God. "And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."(v.24)

Hello Jesse.

In Matthew 1:1 the scripture writes GENESEOS which means OF GENESIS. But in Matthew 1:18 it writes GENNESIS, with double "n", also the second "e" is written in grk with "eta", not "epsilon" as in GENESIS. It is not the same word. GENNESIS means birth . Also genesis which means origin or from the begining or creation from the beginning is often associated to birth. Those two different words which look almost the same confuse even grk people, many don't know the difference in meaning. GBU

Brother Ronald,

(Part 2):

Secondly, I want to assure both you and Jaz that you have not and will not offend me by disagreeing with anything I say. Does it offend either of you when I disagree? It shouldn't! We all come here to share our understanding of scripture. Are we to expect that everything we say here will always be agreed upon by everyone? I would hope not. If we disagree, we just disagree. And that is okay. For me personally, I admit that there's always that possibility that I can be wrong. Not too many people will say this about themselves. I also think that even though we may disagree with each other on something, there is that possibility that we might both be wrong.

But no, I will never be offended if either of you (or anyone else for that matter) disagrees with me. If we're being rude to each other while disagreeing, that's a different story. But I'm only doing the same thing that you and everyone else here is doing which is sharing my understanding of what I've studied. We are human. None of us are infallible in our understanding. There will always be disagreement from someone no matter what we share. Not related to our discussion here, but years ago on a different website, I posted an exact quote from the Bible, nothing more, nothing less. I never even added my understanding, just quoted word for word a piece of scripture from the Bible. And guess what? Someone disagreed with it. Go figure!

Blessings to you both in Christ!

Brother Ronald,

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First, I will say that yes, I do believe in a Triune God. I see several places in the Bible that show that Jesus is God. And, no, a title did not die for my sins either. Jesus Christ dies for my sins. As for the phrases "Son of God," and "Son of the living God," to a Hebrew/Jewish person (which Peter was) it is the same as claiming to be God. Jesus Himself claimed to be the Son of God in front of a Jewish crowd. Was He the Son of God? Indeed, He was.

But why would they accuse Him of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God? It's because to them, He was claiming to be God. They understood fully what Jesus was claiming when He said He was the Son of God. You may disagree with this but if you do some research from a Jewish standpoint on those two phrases and what they actually meant to a Hebrew/Jewish person at that time, it becomes clear as to why they accused Jesus of blasphemy when He told them He was the Son of God. To them, He was claiming to be God. At least, that's how they understood it.

I am not able to make the connection that 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 is about the "doctrine" of Jesus being God. It does mention those who preach another Jesus, but where is it saying that this other Jesus being preached comes from those who believe He is God? If that's what it means to preach another Jesus, then I suppose Verse 4 can be reversed to say that those who preach that Jesus is not God are the ones being mentioned here. Although neither of these apply.

I am running out of space so I will send a second short post.

Hello Jaz. I don't think that a concern of offending someone should preclude you from sharing your understanding of the Word. After all, each one who contributes is essentially stating how he or she understands what is being read & how it applies to them. It's only when one derides another for his/her views then that should be unacceptable & avoided at all costs.

As an example, both you & Ronald have your views on the Deity of Christ (as far as: was Christ in existence before His Birth, or did He become Divine at or after His Birth). Brother Ronald and I have had some discussion on this before, & only he, along with one other from years ago, were prepared to give their understanding of John 1:1. In my understanding of that verse, & adjoining verses, their interpretation did not make sense to me, but obviously it was as clear as day to them. So, we have two choices: to further exegete that passage or to let the matter lie. If we do proceed with it, we can still be civil, understanding & reflective to what each one presents. At the end, we may not be convinced, for whatever reason, but the value (both personal & community-wise) is great, since we are compelled to test our understanding of the Word & use what we gain when considering other passages related to the subject. So, don't be hindered because of fear of offending someone; simply present what you believe & with supporting Scriptures, why you hold to that belief. If you cannot take the matter further for whatever reason, feel free to excuse yourself. That's how I approach such discussions, though I do admit that I do enjoy probing further to learn more of the belief of others. Blessings.

Giannis,

Thanks for your input, as I do value your knowledge of the Greek language. I do see in Matthew 1:1 the word GENESEOS, and then in Verse 18 is the word GENESIS. My understanding is that although they are not the exact same word in spelling, these two words are associated with each other, GENESEOS being the lexical form of the word GENESIS.

The point I was trying to emphasize was that Matthew was calling it an origin, not a birth, because Jesus was not born but became flesh. He has always been in existence.

Thanks again, brother.

God Bless!!!

Thanks so much Brother Jesse.

I just returned home from the road and just copied and printed the material.

I will be reading them and adding them to my study.

You're time and effort is appreciated and will not be wasted.

Thanks again and God bless!

Hi Jaz,

Thank you, I also consider Jesse a brother in Christ. I hope he will not be offended from what I replied to him. It is my understanding not against him. We are all on a journey and the Holy Spirit is our guide. This subject many will not discuss and I am grateful Jesse and others on this site is open to discuss it.

God bless,

RLW

Thank you for that Brother . I agree with you . I do sometimes read things on here that I don't agree with but I have a big problem .

I'm not confident that I can disagree with someone without offending them and I love Brother Jesse as my Brother in Christ .

So , because I don't believe that I'm good enough at expressing myself without offending , I say nothing . You just said it perfectly for me , so , I shall say again thank you . Now I shall be quiet because I have no wish to offend , you manage to say things clearly and inoffensively , I thank God for you !

Brother Jesse,

Jesse, please don't take this wrong I care, and I am trying to understand. I have read your posts on Matthew and some of it is helpful, but I do not agree with your understanding of the meaning you give on some of the Greek words.

In Matthew 16:16 you are saying when Peter told Jesus He is the Son of the living God Peter is confessing to Jesus, that He is the Messiah and He is God. You also say Son of the Living God is a title of God, sorry I don't agree with that. I understand you and probably most on this site believe in a triune God and that Jesus is God, I am sorry, but a title did not die for my sins.

God cannot be the Messiah, if we deny Jesus is the Christ/Messiah we are a liar and an antichrist. The one who does that also denies the Father and the Son, 1 John 2:22.

The heart and truth of the gospel is Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, a man born of a virgin whose Father is God conceived by the Holy Ghost with flesh and blood who God the Father sent, John 3:16. Who became the Messiah when He was anointed with the Holy Ghost after John the Baptise baptized Him. He died for our sins, and we are to confess Him and believe He is the Son of God, 1 John 4:15 1 John 5:10. In the Son of God Jesus is our faith and the only hope of salvation. Jesus is the one Moses spoke of Deuteronomy 18:15

My understanding is 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 is about this doctrine; I know you and others on here will not agree.

God bless,

RLW

Hello Jesse

I am not going to interfere in your posts about the grk text, but taking a chance from Chris' post, just to point to you that the word Genesis in Matthew 1:1 is not the same as in Matthew 1:18. Just check it.

Matt.25:1-13 "The Ten Bridesmaids"

As with the Parable of the Wedding Garment this Parable is with reference to the nation of Israel. (Matt.22:11-13). The king in the parable came to see the guests and "he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment." His presumptuous attitude over having the Law did not merit his presence among the guests. A similar rule bars the five bridesmaids who were foolish, "took their lamps, and took no oil with them."(25:3). And borrowing oil from other virgins were not an option. "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." The foolish virgins of Israel were cast into the outer darkness as with the wedding guest. The king called them all before the foundation of the world and the king would have none of him who made his own rules. Tradition of his fathers was one such rule. " Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth./For many are called, but few are chosen."(22:13-14)

In God's eye's self-righteousness of Israel rendered them among nations on the left," Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." (25:41). This is in keeping with the everlasting covenant where the light is separated from darkness and as nations on the left are despatched to the place prepared for them. "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment." Predestination is tied to the bedrock of the word of God. So the rule of the kingdom of God is, "For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother."( Mark 3:35)

LoriWoolf

Revelation is about the revealing of Jesus Christ.

The kingdom of God is Jesus Christ and YOU as ONE FLESH.

The prophecy applies to YOU and Christ, as being one flesh.

Revelation 22:10 .....Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the TIME IS AT HAND .....

Matthew 4:17 .... for the kingdom of heaven (God) IS AT HAND ....

The REVELATION is the same whether one lived 1900 years ago, today, or 1900 years in the future.

It has nothing to do with Russia, Iran, Trump or any other nation or person.

TODAY is the day of salvation, whether it was 1900 years ago, today, or 1900 years from now.

The prophecy is for each person, as Christ reveals HIMSELF (truth and life) to that person.

Apply Revelation to YOURSELF, not to some nation, or other person.

God Bless You

Matt.25:30 "Outer darkness" (2 of 2)

Holy angels are in the know of the Word and are witnesses to man whether man admits it or not. It is the Father who made it possible. "And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace." The same at Jericho .(vv.3-5) The Spirit presents us the sons of the prophet and the holy angels which supplied their foreknowledge. We have the word of Jesus commending St Peter, "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." (Matt.16:17)

Coming back to the talents the servant with one talent relied his own rational faculties and life experience, He saw God in the manner his world about him taught, "that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed."(v.24) Obviously he had no appreciation for the seed sown in his heart. What were established as holy in the kingdom of God was cut out from his knowledge, which was after the traditions of men. He would not work with the world of the Spirit so the glorious body prepared for him was hidden from him. This is what outer darkness signified. It was from dust to dust and ashes to ashes. The rich man in the Parable of Lazarus belonged his class. His burial is different with Lazarus who "and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Matt.25: 30 "Outer darkness" (1 of 2)

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In v.20 we have the servant telling, "Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more," and he gained twice as much because he put the talents entrusted with him according to his ability and also as though his master in him did operate.

On example is, "For she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins." (Is.40:2b)

This 'double' we find mentioned in several places, In 2 Ki.2 we have a clear exposition as to the role of the world of the Spirit on our here-and-now world. Before Elijah departs this world Elisha asked a favor from his mentor, "And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me," which was not Elijah by birthright but the Spirit of Christ working in Elijah the man. The double portion was of the holy angel, as witness for Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ coming in glory with his holy angels is another way of stating it. The Spirit while organising the God document found it necessary to introduce this walk of Elisha with his mentor.

"When the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal." (2 Ki.2:1) Notice that the Spirit does not refer it to physical death but how its understood in the world of the Spirit. For the same reason the sons of the prophets have nothing to do with their profession but signify the holy angels, spiritual counterparts, may be a better term, and they are ware whether at Gilgal, or at Bethel or at Jericho what significance is attached to crossing the Jordan entails.

At each of these place the sons of the prophets speak the same message. After all they behold the face of the Father in heaven. ("Their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven-Matt.18:10)"

Matt.25: 31 "Glory"

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory."

Glory of God is simply the holiness of God in operation. As the judge over all nations the Spirit is not presenting him in relation to his Father but as God himself. He is, as the writer to the Hebrews qualify him as 'the brightness of his glory.' This glory is expressed in his person and in the word of his power in the example he had set as an intercessor for his Father. (He 1:3)

He demonstrated what was the path of glory. "For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's."(Ro.147-9)

He is the Lord both of the dead and living.

Glory of the body that God has prepared before man has only one fit and it is the Man. In his death and resurrection this glorious body is a building not made with hands, a house nevertheless, "eternal in the heavens."

Every man who is called to be holy and blameless before him in love has his work cut out because our Lord Saviour gave the pattern. We need fit the template so one measurement that works has angel part to size already. Do we fit in? It is what the Parable asks? Holy angels are witnesses so whether we did, "inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me" require no further evidence.

"For I was an hungered," love of God is in charity so you feed the hungry as though Christ in you did. "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"( 1 John 3:17; 1 Co.13) Prisons are institutionalised by nations that are complicit with Satan and his angels. Bringing succour in their helplessness is how the love of God is expressed. Nations shall wither away but the glory of God never.