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My dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

If there's one thing about this site that annoys me, it's you all. No, I'm just kidding! None of you could possibly annoy me as I love you all in the Lord.

What does annoy me is that little "Amen" button at the bottom of each post. Why? Because if you're like me, and I'm sure many of you do this also, sometimes you use your cell phone to read and post messages. Well, this has happened to me at least a dozen times to where I would be scrolling through my screen, and while scrolling, I accidently touch the "Amen" button. You know you did it because a pop-up comes up and "Amen, thank you!"

Now it's like what in the world did I just say amen to? Like I said, this has happened to me several times now, and some of the things I accidently said amen to, I totally disagreed with. I know the Lord's not going to hold that against me for accidently agreeing with something I totally disagreed with, but if this has happened to anyone else, you got to admit it is a little annoying, and you can't take it back!

I know I'm just whining a bit, but I guess I just ran out of something else to say, so I guess I'm off to bed.

Goodnight and blessings to you all!

Hi Ken747,

This is a great site to come and fellowship together in God's word. I'm glad you have found this website. I am sorry to hear about your friend. There are many here, including myself that will lift up your friend Robin in prayer to the Lord. Have you shared the gospel message with her? The prayers of many here will be heard, but perhaps the Lord might use you to witness Jesus Christ to her in person if that's an option for you.

May God's will be done!

Momsage,

No worries, I completely understand. Yes, recliners have to be one of the greatest inventions. I love mine. I wonder if it was a lazy person who came up with the idea?

As far as your question asking me if I have found conflict between the Greek (Textus Receptus) and the King James Bible, I'll just say that I have found several places in the KJB (NT) that could have been worded differently, places where a word from the Greek text has a different meaning than what was translated into English for us.

If you are asking me to share with you every single place in question, this is not something I can do in a short amount of time, but I am willing to share with you everything I have found as time permits. Perhaps we can start with Matthew first and work our way through Revelation. Or, if you have something else in mind, I am open, so please let me know.

I do hope you get some good rest, and with our current discussion, please take whatever time you need. I trust that you will get back with me as the Lord leads. Who knows, I'm not even sure if I'll be on here tomorrow!

God Bless!!!

Hi

John 15:2

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Why doesn't a branch in Christ bear a fruit? It is a branch, isn't it? So if it a natural thing to have fruit what makes it to not make one?

John 15:7

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

John 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

So for one to abide in Christ, His words must abide in them, and in simple words they must keep His commandments. This is not natural, it is a disicion we make and succeed through God's/Jesus' grace

Psalm 1143:3 For the enemy hath persecuted my soul; he hath smitten my life down to the ground; he hath made me to dwell in darkness, as those that have been long dead.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

The clash and contrast between light and darkness is at a fevered pitch in our time. Psalm 7:15 states He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. Sin is a reproach to anyone; Proverbs 14:34 says Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. Thus the sins of individuals collectively bring down everyone who is not one of God's children.

My own situation has shown me how elderly people who used to be characterized as having a nice personality show their true nature when running out of options in life. This can have the opposite effect on some who were always nasty; and of course the Lord can intervene; as long as their is breath there is hope; or as Ecclesiastes 9:4 states For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

Proverbs 9:8 says Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Those who God has called and chosen will be drawn through warnings of their sinful state; in fact they will be thankful always to find the remedy as only the sick need a physician ( Luke 5:31). In contrast the wicked cannot love God or rebuke; they will only try to avoid the consequences of their actions through self justification or somehow thinking their "good works outweigh the bad". 2 Corinthians 7:10 says For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. Thus; the wicked through conviction are led to self destruction and the righteous have the opposite fate.

The final battle of Armageddon draws ever nearer. May we all be ready at His coming.

Hi Giannis,

Salvation is only secured in Christ. The believer abides in Christ as a branch bearing fruits. His works are natural product of his faith. Faith without works is dead. Predestination is thus matching the calling of God (the book of life) with the book of the Lamb. Those who worship the beast lose their names in the book of the Lamb. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

The Father does not judge anyone and has left it to the Son.

Predestination has the final word with Jesus Christ. " For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"(Col.1:19-20)

Hi Bennymkje

The verse in Peter 1:10 you mentioned shows in a very obvious way that salvation is never secured. Otherwise there ix mo reason for that " make your calling and election sure" . So isn't salvation sure? If we don''t do all those things mentioned in the previous verses, no it is not. This is obviously against predestination the way some believe it. Because it shows that even if God had selected some for salvation, the final outcome depends on the individual, not God. Predestination implies secured salvation, otherwise it can not be applied.

Hi Bennymkje

The verse in Peter 1:10 you mentioned shows in a very obvious way that salvation is never secured. Otherwise there ix mo reason for that " make your calling and election sure" . So isn't salvation sure? If we don''t do all those things mentioned in the previous verses, no it is not. This is obviously against predestination the way some believe it. Because it shows that even if God had selected some for salvation, the final

outcome depends on the individual, not God. Predestination implies secured salvation, otherwise it can not be applied.

Ac.13 :11-12 "Doctrine of the Lord"

"And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand." Here we have the poster boy for heresies so the doctrine that Elymas peddled was to make Saul/Paul's preaching in vain. The imposter churches in our times are reeking with such poor specimens as false teachers. They deny the power of God and make his holiness as in vain. They divide congregation on ethnic lines and sustain culture wars fought in the secular world as part of White Evangelical Right and so on. So Paul calls him out, "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?" The right ways of the Lord is created in 'our image' and 'after our likeness', so the third beast before the throne of heaven, is the steward over his creation.The last Adam is after the likeness of the firstborn of all creation. The Command number Three also makes third beast as was intended.

What St Paul binds on earth is bound in heaven as well. When he said, "Thou shalt be blind' it happened. God's promises are yea in him. It owes to the Word was God. "Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord." The doctrine of God is what the memorials in heaven attest.

"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him" (Re.4:8). The golden lamp stand with seven branches in the inaugural vision of St John represents Christ in the middle with three branches on either side. Each beast is thus 'after the likeness' of Christ.

This is the doctrine of the Lord we represnt. "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."(Re.2:5)

2 Pe.1:10 "Calling and election sure."

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"

"Ye shall never fail" this certainty of a believer called to be saint is because the foundation of God stands sure. "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."(2 Ti.2:19) The seal is the blood of Jesus. The slain Lamb before the throne signifies it. He is worthy because his atonement covered the calling of the elect.. (He)"hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof, tells " he overcame the world. (Re.5:5; John 16:33). Faith is what the elect requires. St Peter exhorts them to show qualities of being built up on his foundation. Diligence, as the Spirit instructs us a virtue the ants witness. "Consider its ways' (Pr.6:6). Of the four beasts the lion represents them; the eagle represents the quality of faith and hope. "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."(Col.3:2). Third beast is the last Adam. Second beast has face of a calf, reflecting the stewardship of Adam who as Jesus said, "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."(Matt.20:28). In short virtues required for the elect are memorials in heaven, and as the key verse informs, "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.". Without fully understanding predestination as set, a testimony in heaven and without works in his Son what are these half-baked Christians?. It is on one of such St Peter said, " Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God." (Ac.8:18-21) They want it both ways. Oh no God is not mocked by excuse of being ignorant. (Ro.1:18-21)

Re.5:7-14 "Predestination"

As soon as the Lamb takes the book the body of four and twenty elders and he four beasst worship him, "Saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;/And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Here we have the predestination established in heave. Thus judgment is set and books were opened. This is in the "now" of divine Will. The book of life and book of the Lamb are already matched where the works of those judged are 'closed' as the man in the linen tells Daniel, "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?/ And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end./ Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Dan.12:8-10)

Predestination is the prerogative of God and it is the body of the church where four and twenty elders (8x3=24) tells us of the Gospel of God and that of Christ. In the white throne judgment those who are judged are according to their response to it. What occurs according to the breaking of seal are on earth.

Israel was called but they are cast off because they did not gather with the Man who was sent. "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."(Matt.25:29).

Re:5:1 "The book"

"A book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."

The book written within and on the back-side is transcribed having a body and are set before the throne. First we have this quote from St Paul. "Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men/Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart" (2 Co.3:2-3). St Paul writes of believers as 'our epistles written not with ink," What does the body of the four beast represent? They are memorial to the body of the church and the Gospel of God and of Christ. "were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." They represent the Gospel of God as the world unseen and the gospel of Christ as 'the works' or fulfilment of the work of God. What is the work of God? Jesus explained it, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."( John 5:28-29). In the white throne of Judgment. "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."(Re.20:12)

The four beast are memorial and the Spirit instructs us what the body of man formed from the ground signify. As a living soul his faculty to know and understand the truth is like the book written on the backside. Eyes behind the backside refers to his inner life where "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."(Pr.20:27) Eyes before is how he ought to interact with the world. They are represented in the Lamb which is worthy to break open the seals. "and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." The spirit of Christ is already sent out and the the word become flesh shall manifest in due time.

Dear Wendy , it doesn't sound to me as if this man is commited to you in a romantic way . Maybe he just sees you as a friend . I think maybe you need to try to put him out of your heart and move on . It's not easy I know , when you have invested so much of your time and energy into a relationship it can be very hard to let it go . You have to put yourself first because no one else will . You have to protect and preserve yourself . People come and go in and out of our lives , it's not a stable world that we live in and we cannot control the behaviour of others . We can however do our best to control ourselves with God's help . What have you learned from your relationship with this man ? Whatever it was , don't forget the lesson . Move on . Put more effort in your relationships with your God and your Saviour , build on that strong foundation , read your Bible , say your prayers and find a good church . Maybe in time God will bring the right man to you but don't be in a rush . Get closer to God and Jesus before you think of getting entangled romantically again . Life is change and we humans don't always like change . God and Jesus don't change . They are steadfast in their judgements and guidance and love and caring ways towards us , put yourself totally into their hands and wait patiently . You may end up without a partner but you will never ever be without a best friend .

The one commandment that begins with "remember", everyone is taught to "forget".

Re.5:5 "The seven seals" (2 of 2)

The book with seven seals however holds another significance clue to which salvation or redemption of bodies has bearing. The risen Christ has the message for the church of Philadelphia, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" (Re.3:7) Note it is addressed to the angel which is already set in his right hand."The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:" (Re.1:20)

These seven stars are of same significance as the same value the seven seals hold. They are under the authority of Jesus Christ who figures as the Ancient of days. Days refer to day of salvation as well as day of regeneration,

In this context consider the saying of Jesus."Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."(Matt.18:18). The great commission spells it out in Matt.28:20. "His authority to break open the seven seals empower the disciples to be set down on twelve thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. It is thus when Christ comes in his glory with holy angels the saints shall meet the Lord in mid-air. They are compared to eagles. (Is.40:31). The same eagle motif we find as memorial before the throne. The four beasts where the beast with the face of man is last Adam. "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him./ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."(Dan.7:13-14)

Re.5:5 "The seven seals" (1 of 2)

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

In order to consider the nature and significance of Regeneration we shall begin with the word of God. The book represents just that. God framed the worlds with the word to which the book refers. (He.11:3). In the night vision of Daniel we are told it opened. "the judgment was set, and the books were opened."(Dan.7:10). The book of life and the book of the Lamb are to match. Daniel's night vision does not indicate any action taken on them. Instead in Revelation we have the white throne judgment. This throne is not the fiery throne where the Ancient of days sat. "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." (Re.20:12) So much so for the books opened.

The book with seven seals however holds another significance clue to which salvation or redemption of bodies has bearing. The risen Christ has the message for the church of Philadelphia, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" (Re.3:7) Note it is addressed to the angel which is already set in his right hand."The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:" (Re.1:20)

These seven stars are of same significance as the same value the seven seals hold. They are under the authority of Jesus Christ who figures as the Ancient of days. Days refer to day of salvation as well as day of regeneration,

Hello Momsage,

Thanks for continuing on with this discussion. I was taught how to read Koine Greek and was given a copy of the Textus Receptus (Greek New Testament) during one of our class studies. We had 20 plus people in the class and the pastor who was teaching the class handed everyone in the room a copy to keep.

To this day, I do not know who purchased all those copies for the entire class. It wasn't the pastor. He told us that someone had purchased them for the entire class but the person wished to remain anonymous. I can sincerely say that what I learned in that class was a true blessing. I do refer to the Greek text quite a bit during my NT studies. It is just my personal choice to do so. That is the text I was referring to.

Personally, I wish it was a requirement for every person going into the ministry to master Biblical Greek before being ordained into the ministry. I don't think that we in the body of Christ would be in such a mess if that were the case.

As I'm sure you know, the New Testament was originally written in Greek. Praise God for that! Since the New Testament is mainly doctrine and teaching, I think it had to be an exact language, and with Greek being such an exact language, I don't think it could have been any other way!

May God continue to bless you also!

Shantel,

Thank you for taking the time to read through my lengthy post. I have read through what you sent to me but I am struggling to see how this adds to or fits with what I presented concerning predestination? Am I missing something here?

I have been reading your posts over the past week, and your response to my message on predestination seems to fit more closely with the things you have been sharing over the past week than they do with what I just posted about predestination, especially with the verses you have provided. Again, maybe I missing something?

Concerning salvation, what are your thoughts on predestination? Does God "predetermine" who will receive eternal salvation and who will receive eternal condemnation?

Thanks again, and blessings to you in Christ!

Brother Spencer,

What a great analogy! The inheritance is what has been predetermined for those who receive Christ. For those who reject Him, their fate has also been predetermined. It is man who chooses to receive or reject the things of God. Romans 9:11 (which you have shared) is a great verse. Thanks for that one. It says (For the children being not yet born). So, they hadn't even been born yet. But secondly, we notice what it says: Neither having done any good or evil.

And then thirdly, the purpose: The reason why God made His choice between Jacob and Esau, before they were born (without them having done good or evil), it is so that the purpose of God could be according to election (His choice), and it might stand, not of works, but of the one who calls;

So, it didn't have anything to do with Jacob and Esau as to who they were, what kind of people they were, whether they were good or evil, it had nothing to do with works or with man. It had to do with God's choice.

Blessings to you also!

Chris,

I agree in every respect, brother. Especially when it comes to judgment. I have to wonder why, if God has already predestined everyone, what would be the purpose of sharing the gospel message of salvation? And why even send missionaries out?

People talk about the Great Commission and how we need to reach the world for Christ. Why so, if it isn't going to make any difference for those who have already predestined to spend eternity in Hell?

If it is God's will that no one should perish but that all would come to repentance ( 2 Peter 3:9), it would be difficult to connect all this together as to why God would already predetermine ahead of time who will be saved and who will be lost!

God Bless!!!

Do you have a Scriptural or even an historical reference to support your belief? Since you wrote that your belief is based on God's Holy Word.

I believe the woman the sons of god matted with were judged & cast into the sea, they are called mermaids according to gods holy word

Re.20:12 "The book of life"

"And another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

This recalls the night vision of Daniel."The judgment was set, and the books were opened."(7:10). Day of regeneration shall not go out of line with the word of God. The saints redeemed from the earth are priests and kings. They are gathered with Christ as so many sheaves. When Joseph narrated his dream his brethren could not understand it.

"And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more./And he said unto them, Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:/For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf./And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words." The saints are kings. Similar the other dream relates to the priestly service.

"And, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me./ And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?/And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying." (Ge.37:5-11)

"The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."( Ps. 110:4). The term "forever" attest that they are ordained for it in Christ. "Be ye holy, for I am holy."

Regeneration is where the two worlds are perfected. The unseen world and the seen world match exactly. (He.11:3) That God may be in all explains entering into God's rest.

Thank you for allowing me to use the service.....Jack Nethercort

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In continuation to the earlier post the Omega aspect of Christ refers Regeneration. Regeneration is firstly set in terms of the Word which was God from the beginning.

Dan.12:10 "Regeneration"

In continuation to the earliest post we can define the Omega aspect of Christ to define Regeneration. Regeneration firstly set in terms of the Word which was God from the beginning. Whosoever believed the word and committed his life to Christ is a new creation. So he is set in the everlasting to everlasting aspect of God's kingdom. "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."(1 Co.15:28)

The Spirit also adds, "but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." The wicked nations both Gentiles and of Israel shall be cast into the lake of fire.

"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."(21:23) The saved nations shall walk under the light of the Lamb.

Think of the holy city of God as represented by an animator's ceil placed over the sheet representing the nations. For their healing the nations shall still require the leaves of the tree of life. "the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." The term 'every month' in 22:2 tells us that they sun and the moon still hold relevance to the nation to keep time.

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven." (Ec.3:1) The latter part refers to the nations. Not so with the kingdom of God where it is in the 'now' of the will of God. everlasting to everlasting.

Dan 12:10 "Purified, white and tried"

"Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."( Dan 12:10)

Man born of woman has several stages before he is made white. He shall also be tried. It is to which Job says, "But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold."( Job 23:10)

Ps.139 takes even further where sin of disobedience associated with Adam has its position in the world unseen with is part of the divine Will. The word of God made these appear so David writes this line. " My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth." What is the substance yet being unperfect? The Spirit implies the entire sum total of the man is set in terms of what he shall in his Son may become. That is the free will allowed for him. "Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written."(v.16). By the same token the Lamb has the book of life. For example those who worship the beast are those "whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."(Re.13:8)

Man is purified by the word of God; as martyr he is made white. "Clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints./And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb." His blessedness come from the everlasting covenant. So he is set down in the everlasting to everlasting kingdom of God. Physically the disciples of Jesus hold time and place. But in the day of regeneration, in the Omega aspect they are set on their thrones "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."(Matt.19:28)

Is.60:6-7 "The house of my glory"

"The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord./All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory." This refers to what St John writes in the last book,"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it." Glory of nations carry symbols and wealth which are seen. Such temporal artifices of man remain only on earth. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God so nations John refers is the earth distinct from the new earth. New heaven and the earth are new to indicate Zion the city of God.(Ps.46:4). Every saint therein has a glorious body and is redeemed from the earth by a covenant. (Ps.50:5). They worship in the beauty of holiness, in Spirit and truth. "for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people."( Is.56:7-8) is Christ Jesus, the head. "all things were created by him, and for him:/And he is before all things, and by him all things consisAll things by him consist in eternity as well. (Col.1:16-19).

Mine house shall be called the House of prayer for all nations. So naturally they may enter to worship. " And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there."(21:25)

"Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?"(Is.60:8) Cf. "Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God."(Ps.84:3). Of what significance is the flying body as a cloud? Here we have the rapture "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."(Matt.24:28)

Thanks to God in Heaven , for His very great mercy and kindness and for an answered prayer . Much love to you all , through Jesus Christ .

Dan.12:5-6 "River of time"

Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river./And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"

One on this side of the river is Daniel himself while the other on that side is the angel of the Lord. The name Ulai is merely a label. What is seen is temporal and the Spirit instruct us the river of time to which heart of man signified by a spiritual space is privy to. Blessings enshrined in the everlasting covenant sustain every child of God so empowerment of Christian ministry owes to what are unseen and what proceeds from the throne of grace.My testimony is that each day it has supplied my needs and blessed is my Lord to have poured grace in this earthen vessel sufficient in to the day.

In eternity when the throne of God and of the Lamb are inaugurated the same flows in the middle. "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."(Re.22:1)

By the same token there is judgment.

In this context let us recall in Mark ch.8 Jesus made the blind man look up before healing. Is heaven up and hell below? There is no centre for cosmos which is science. The Spirit has no use for it in order to instruct us of righteousness or Holiness. The centre is our heart where truth is written 'in inward parts.. So up and down or across are terms we acquaint with relating to worlds of the Spirit and body.