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There have been discussions such as this in recent months. People differ in their understanding on this. I, personally, believe that Jesus came for me, and you, and the Jew, and the Gentiles. His words are for all people, not just for the Jews. I do not elevate Paul as my singular apostles above the other apostles, nor above Jesus. If Jesus came only for the Jews, then His sacrificial death and resurrection was only for the Jews and Paul is appropriating this salvific work for the Gentiles without merit.
But, I do not believe that. I believe He is the promised Savior of Genesis 3:15 and saved all who believe in Him. He sent the Holy Spirit to all of the apostles at Pentecost, long before Paul became an apostle. The body of Christ existed before Paul became an apostle. he joined the other apostles when he was called to preach the same gospel as these other apostles to the Gentiles. The Gospel of Christ IS the gospel Paul preached. They are the same. There are not two gospels, one for Jews and one for Gentiles, in my opinion.
Well, this is my understanding on this topic, since you sought what others think about this topic.
Jesus was crucified for the sins of ALL MANKIND. Past, present and future. An invitation was given to mankind to come to Jesus for salvation, and to be cleansed from sin.
Jesus tasted death for EVERY person born or unborn. His body was in the Tomb for 3 days. His spirit was ALIVE. He had fulfilled a prophesy in Genesis 3:15. He crushed Satans head (power).
Jesus took back what Satan had stolen from Adam in the garden of Eden: POWER AND AUTHORITY. Which Jesus now imparts to everyone who is BORN AGAIN, according to John 3.
Jesus did go into Hell to get the KEYS to death, hell and the grave. He opened the doors in hell and released those who had named the name of Jesus and lived For Him in their lives on earth. Those names are recorded in THE BOOK OF LIFE. He knows who belongs to Him. He took everyone through the streets of ancient Jerusalem to be seen VISIBLY. Jesus is God, ok? So hundred/thousands SAW friends, family etc, following Jesus in real bodies. Then the resurrected people went to heaven.
Just in time for Jesus get back as Mary Magdalene was peering into the OPEN tomb. There was some conversation (read in the Bible). She tried to embrace Jesus but he said, Touch me not for I have not yet risen to My Father. (Jesus went to heaven to be made High Priest. He couldn't be "defiled", before that ceremony).
Mary runs to tell the Disciples Jesus is Risen. Jesus returns to go to hell to lead the captives out, as I said earlier. You'll love reading the accounts in the 4 gospels even more! When you know the whole of the story as each Disciple understood it, sheer joy should flood Your soul.
Jesus gives US the same power and authority to defeat Satan on this earth NOW. If we don't know this, we will live lives of mediocrity. No salvations, no healings or deliverance from satanic attacks, etc.
LET THE CHURCH OF JESUS ARISE. Stand up!! In Jesus Name!! Don't miss out on the Rapture. Evangelize!
2. God created all the other angels.
3. Earth was Created for Mankind/HUMANS.
(Adam and Eve)
4. LUCIFER (use the Search Box)
He wanted Gods Throne and Praise.
5. Lucifer led a rebellion against God. The same God who
Made him. Lucifer lost his Name and became Satan.
Satan and the angels he recruited for rebellion were
Hurled to the Earth.
There was a problem: wicked spirits have no human
Bodies because they are NOT HUMAN.
6. Satan took a serpents body to inhabit; to do his devil
Stuff. The lesser angels became evil spirits. They
Could indwell animals, anything EXCEPT HUMANS.
He could talk to God, but he couldn't have a human
a body. He couldn't take Job's body.
7. Word search the word INHABITANTS. They were
Possessed. Maybe giants. Goliath was the only giant
Mentioned in the Bible. See Apocrypha.
8. In the flood, only 8 humans survived.
9. The inhabitants and humans drowned.
10. Evil spirits had no bodies. I believe this is when
Powers and principalities originated.Nimrods wife was
Witch. In Isaiah the inhabitants were ragging on Satan
I don't think we should get more explicit. They had no power against Gods Son. Time moved along. Saul consulted with the witch of Endor (a human who allowed possession of her body.
Jesus is God ( Romans 1, Godhead) Mary accepted what the angel Gabriel said, and Jesus would be born a HUMAN. He came to fulfill Genesis 3:15. He laid aside His power to become a human just as we all are; in need of a Savior. Satan (not human) tried to kill Jesus a couple of times.
Jesus died on that cross for all humans who would receive Him. Satan has no power or dominion over humans that are born again. Say what Jesus said in the New Testament. His word is stronger than anything satan can think to do. But we must exercise our AUTHORITY Jesus gives to believers.
Fight back!
13 Thou hast been in EDEN the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, UNTIL iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
COMMENT: Lucifer was the covering Cherub in charge of praise and worship of God. He coveted that praise for himself; and led a rebellion in heaven. He was cast out of Heaven by Michael. Lucifer lost his name. He became Satan. He was not human as I said. Earth was created for HUMANS only. Satan used a serpents body to speak to Eve, and tempt her. His goal was to steal Adams Dominion as a Human. Eve ate the fruit and it was all over. What God gave to Adam, now Satan possessed it; until Jesus shed his blood on the Cross.
Satan didn't have his jewels. His Evil invisible spirit took a snakes body. Eph. 6
Satan walks upright on two legs today, the same as in the time of Adam and Eve.
Who is the most subtil of all the beast of the field that God hath made, that walks on two legs?
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from walking to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down in it.
2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go number Israel and Judah.
1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit that now worketh in the children of obedience:
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT (of you) devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world was CAST OUT ......
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you.
God Bless You.
So, I cannot say of the form of a dragon is Satan's normal natural presentation or if he dons the form of a dragon when he interacts with mankind. I cannot say that dragon is the only form he ever takes, as there are references to him being an angel of light and a morning star.
Most ideas of dragons are legends passed down from within cultures. It is interesting that so many cultures have dragon emblems and carvings in their ancient artwork and worship images. And this cult of dragon ideas is still present in many of these cultures. I ask these questions: were dragons part of the natural physical creation-a real life creature? Did Satan possess a dragon in the Garden of Eden when he tempted Eve and Adam? Did dragons live all over the world and eventually become extinct? Or were dragons simply mythical? Or were dragons the natural form of spiritual beings that rebelled with Satan?
We will have to wait until heaven to find out about this, I think, unless science discovers something that shows that they actually were part of the animal kingdom from the time of creation.
Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,
Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,
Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,
Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"
see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,
GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,
It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,
Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,
In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,
1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,
Hopefully these are all helpful
I think teachers and students should appreciate, not alienate. Try always to edify. If someone else is good with languages, I let them answer it later. Adios amigos .)
I'm going back tomorrow to give him my box of coffee. It hurts me to see others struggle alone. I really enjoy hours spent right here talking about the Bible. I don't come in here to make people feel worse if they're feeling dragged down or spread thin. Let us edify each other., ok. Thanks.
I believe it was a literal fruit and likely a fruit type that was native to that area. Apples, bananas, watermelon, etc. aren't native and are unlikely. Figs, dates, grapes, olives, pomegranates, for example, are native in my understanding, and seem more likely to have been the fruit tree. Of course the Garden of Eden was special and may have contained every fruit imaginable, but I just don't think it seems as likely Eve bit into a Washington-state grown Red Delicious Apple.
I recommend creationist scientific research publications. Creationist researchers tend to expose the flaws in secular scientists' methods that give them erroneous results.
Those are the CONIES that the Bible mentions. Because of where they were found, the conies lived underground. They survived and got water from roots of plants.
It's a big deal for scientists and archaeologists to agree on something. Why did God mention the Conies?
There's a whole harvest of atheists out there who need to hear that news. That and the fact that space study satellites have sent back photos of all 9 planets and some of the moons. They saw/see DRY LAKE BEDS. All planets HAD water at some time.
This is verifiable. Just got to do a lot of fancy googling to find these records. What happened to the water? Ask God. He's a master builder and only He has the plans.
I'd get saved (born again) so I could listen to the advent and demise of certain events.
Scientists are carbon dating all kinds of things. To hear them agree on anything is mind boggling. Then you leap with joy. Our God is AWESOME. He did this. He chose now to reveal it.
There's the usual atheist explanations and then you find the ones from the scientists that examine data that is VISUAL!!! Some lie, and some are telling the truth.
Doesn't that sound like "the voice of one crying out in the wilderness of unbelief?? (Reference to John the Baptist)
Let's get off our ergonomic chairs and read of these accounts. Some programs are on PBS. I feel sorry for Stephen Hawkins. I think he wanted to find God, but his body gave out. The community of scientists LIVE OFF grant money. It's hard for them. Someone pray for them to be confronted with indisputable evidence.
Go find those videos. You'll be blessed and energized. The stories are recent. God has me reading on stuff I'm not particularly interested in. Ask PBS to rerun those videos.
Streetpreacher
Dinosaurs were not killed by an asteroid impact. That theory is scientifically silly.
GLISTERING.
Your claim of Cain and Abel being twins is not recorded as one birth, two kids. It is 2 separate births.
Eve gave birth to Cain, Abel, Seth, and many others.
She did not have a child with Satan/serpent. Satan had no body. God put him into a serpent before Eden. Human body parts don't match with serpent parts.
EPHESIANS 6, says that Satan and demons are invisible. They can get inside of sinful willing humans. Jesus cast a herd of pigs possessed with demons over a cliff. The Bible clearly says the man among the tombs had a legion of demons inside of him. They're real.
They get inside of animals and living things. If the HOST dies, they have to find another body or remain invisible.
Christians have the Armor of God to fight against THE INVISIBLE evil spirits.
Have you ever Googled the Church of Satan? They get together and do evil stuff and pray for PORTALS to the dark world to be opened do more evil spirits can do evil to mankind, make people sin and Harden Their Hearts against God; mock Jesus.
My Aunt was into spiritism: she read Tarot, Did spells, pushed aliens from space, crystals, talismans, the whole show. She hooked up with a guy who was into the same stuff, but he was a HOST for wicked spirits. I made both of them furious when she tried to make my mom believe in their craft.
This is true. That night in bed on my stomach almost asleep; something invisible grabbed my forehead and chin and tried to break my neck. I was pleading the Blood of Jesus with every cell.
Something pulled it off of me. I looked and didn't see anything. Then I hear through the open window a violent fight, loud body blows (angels). Next morning my aunt and friend were gone, real early. My mom said she didn't believe in the Roswell incident book. Wicked human spirits
get inside of willing people.
Don't teach heresy.
Only one was forbidden to eat of it. Tree of Life.
So they disobeyed and ate of the Tree of the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. All of a sudden they notice they have no covering. They used fig leaves because they were there.
They were covered by purity until they sinned.
God confronted them. They confessed. God performed the first sacrifice of an animal and made them clothes.
The Tree of Life was immediately guarded by an Angel with a flaming sword. If they had eaten of that tree they would live eternally in sin without forgiveness.
One of Jesus's names is Tree of Life.
No archaeologists have been able to find where the garden of Eden was. Revelation shoes us that The Tree of Life was moved. Revelation 22:2
Also, the Ark of the Covenant is in heaven. Revelation 11:19. I believe when the Antichrist arrives at Armageddon to fight against Jesus and his army of the saints of God, on white horses: the Ark of the Testament will slay Antichrist's army. Antichrist's doom is to be thrown into hell, with the False Prophet and the Beast.
I prayed over that event. The Bride of Christ (the saints of God) aren't going to hack through a million man army, and fill the battlefield up to the horses bridles. We see violence on tv and don't even blink. True?
The Ark will slay Jesus's enemies. I believe we will be over the top with joy and victory at the end. To see our Beloved's Victory over Satan
I think "The Church" has been, for a few decades; lukewarm, deaf to Jesus's command to GO YE. Evangelize the lost and those that are blind and deaf that there is GOOD NEWS; if they will repent and grab onto Jesus. He is the Ark. Like Noah did, we gotta preach, Listen!! This is all going to BURN. Wall to wall fire. 2 PETER 3:9-11
God wrote it. He's going to do it. One asteroid caused total extinction on earth: killed all the dinosaurs.
Genesis 4:1, Genesis 4:2, Seems to clearly state these are seperate births. Twins are also seemingly clearly described within the Bible Genesis 25:22-26, Esau & Jacob being fraternal twins, Genesis 38:27, Pharez & Zarah.
We need to be careful not to add to scripture.
The fruit was of the "tree of the knowledge of good & evil"
Genesis 2:9 " And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
Genesis 2:15-17, Genesis 3:22
It is symbolic, spiritual & seemingly literal. If it were an apple tree, or fig I believe it would have said. See Matthew 21:19, Genesis 1:11,
Knowledge of good and evil, yet GOD's Word says the things of evil, we shouldn't learn. Genesis 6:5, Genesis 48:16, Exodus 32:2, Numbers 13 -14, Deuteronomy 1:39, (in context Deuteronomy 1:20-40 ) Hebrews 10:22, James 1:13-27,
Romans 16:19-20
James 1:5,
Hopefully these are all helpful
Gen 3:3 Hebrew =(fruit) Noun masculine=this particular instance it leads to the seed of Satan; 2 Corinthians 11:3 beguile translated-wholly seduced. Hebrew verb: (touch) = ; is a primitive root meaning to lie with a woman; fruit of the womb is the impregnation of the seed Gen 3:6 Serpent was, is most beautiful of all GODS creations that Eve nor even Adam could resist. Serpent ( Rev 12:9) more subtle than all GODS creation, which HE made the full package of beauty, might and cunningness; Eze 28:13 He was called the glistening 1 because of his shining glory. He was wise and cunning and led Eve down a dark past where the tares would be planted in the world; having twins Cain and Abel 1 bad and 1 good. Gen 4:2 (again) =Heb. yasaph = continue, she continued in labor; Cain and Abel were fraternal twins by 2 different fathers Satan and Adam both coming to the age of accountability at same time Heb 11:4. Joh 8:44 Matthew 13:27-29. Genesis 3:10 They only knew they were naked after the act of seduction; only then did they realize their private parts and felt ashamed. They didn't use leaves to cover their mouths but their privates, fig leaves at that, which leads us to learn the parable of the fig tree, Gen 3:7; Enemy of GOD sewed the seed, Satan's seed, Rev 12:9. Genesis 3:15 1st prophecy of the bible where the sons of Satan bruised CHRIST heels on the cross but CHRIST will bruise his head. Between Satan seed (tares/Kennites=sons of Cain) and the man Adams seed where the fallen angels left their 1st habitation to seduce the daughters of eth haw adam in a second attempt to corrupt the seed line from which CHRIST from umbilical cord to umbilical cord would come..
word fruit?
The Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) immediately set in motion the plan to retrieve the authority that Adam lost to Satan. Satan was never human. He was created by God. Only mankind is human. Earth was created for humans.
In Abraham obeying God, when he was to sacrifice Isaac on an altar, God was showing how painful it is to lose a son. He stopped the sacrifice and provided a lamb for the sacrifice. Jesus would someday be the Lamb of God.
In Luke 1:26,35 Mary is told by Gabriel that she's going to have a baby that would be the Son of the Highest, the Son of God. Jesus's powers were set aside to be born as a Human.
Jesus lived 30 years without spot or wrinkle; the sinless Lamb of God. In Luke 4:18, Jesus reads from the Torah, Isaiah 61:18-21. At that moment he was anointed by God for ministry. He received his power he had set aside. The people rejected him. Jesus set out to find His disciples.
When He went to the Cross, Satan still had not figured out the Godhead's plan in progress. He was happy When Jesus was nailed to the Cross. When Jesus was entombed Satan thought that was the end of that. He forgot all about that confrontation he had with Jesus when Jesus fasted 40 days.
Third day, Jesus was resurrected. He led over 500 resurrected saints from Satan's prison; with the keys in his hands. He had all power, all authority. Many saw Jesus. I'll stop here to show you this:
Jesus stumped on Satan's neck as prophesied in Genesis 3:15. Jesus restored Power and Authority to His Disciples and all those who would become His Believers
On Pentecost, The Holy Spirit came to the Upper Room to indwell the Disciples and Believers that were waiting as Jesus told them to.
Jesus's Believers today have received the same anointing, power and authority. Authority to defeat Satan!
Grow the Church.
"the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" Genesis 3:22
God forbid them to eat from the tree of life.
Adam and Eve died a "spiritual death" in the day they ate the forbidden fruit;
and Adam did not experience "physical death" until he was around a thousand years old.
God is LOVE; but how do you know what love is, without knowing what hate is?
God is LIGHT; but how do you know light, is without knowing what darkness is?
God is LIFE; but how do you know what life, is without knowing what death is?
God is TRUTH; but how do you know what truth, is without knowing what deception is?
God is WISDOM; but how do you know what wisdom, is without knowing what ignorance is?
The tree of KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, are in the same TREE, when we eat the FRUIT we HAVE KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL.
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold they have become like ONE OF US (Gods) to KNOW GOOD and EVIL.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate, to be conformed to the image of his Son (God) ....
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind BE IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 2:5 Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with GOD.
Isaiah 66:9 Shall I not bring TO BIRTH, and not cause to bring forth? ......
Isaiah 66:8 ....for as soon a Zion travailed, she brought forth her children (gods: in the AGE TO COME).
God Bless YOU!
Most Christians throughout the centuries have thought that Cain married a sister, niece, or close relative. others think that Genesis 1:26-27 indicates that God created humankind and then created Adam and Eve as a special creation in Genesis 2. At this point in history, we really do not know. If science investigations can find better concrete evidence of either viewpoint, then perhaps we will know more.
Knowing for sure about this does not affect my salvation as the lineage of Adam and Eve are the only ones (Noah and family) who survived the flood and all people alive today are descended from Noah and his wife, his sons and daughter in laws. Jesus, the promised Seed in Genesis 3:15 descended from Adam and Ever through Noah, Shem, Heber, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Judah.