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Jesus proclaimed to Nicodemus that one must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God. Since Adam and Eve, mankind has been cut off from God. The design of the Tabernacle, the Temple, and the worship system under the Old Covenant pictures God as distant and virtually unapproachable. Man in his natural condition, having a carnal mind and dead in his sin, is certainly shown as away from God. Though it is necessary for an individual to be born again to enter God's Kingdom, it takes a gracious and miraculous act-completely on God's part-to close the gap between Him and those He calls ( John 6:44).No one can arbitrarily volunteer for entry and be accepted; a person cannot cause himself to be born again. Flesh does not produce redemption. Unless one is born of the Holy Spirit, whatever one does in the flesh will not make him spiritual in the biblical sense. The Bible shows that the natural mind of man is at war against God and that it is not subject to God's law and cannot be ( Romans 8:7), expressing the harsh reality of the carnal heart of mankind.When Paul writes that the unconverted are dead in trespasses and sin, he means exactly that. Regardless of how sincere or religious they might be, such people are lifeless in terms of true spiritual life that is given by God. They are part of the old, natural creation and are spiritually lifeless unless and until-and completely at His discretion-God graciously gives life by His Spirit. Paul writes, "For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.' So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy" ( Romans 9:15-16).

John 6:55 is the prophesy of Christ that his church (Church of Christ would do until he comes again in the resurection.

What is Apostasy?

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction

Hebrews 3:12

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

Galatians 1:8-9

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I SAY AGAIN, If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you (first) received, let him be accursed.

2 Timothy 3:1-9

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

1 Timothy 4:1-3

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of LIARS whose consciences are seared (burned), who forbid marriage and require abstinence from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

John 6:66

After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him (Jesus).

HEBREWS 10

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of Grace?

Revelation 3:16

So, because you are lukewarm, and NEITHER hot nor cold, I will Spit you out of my mouth.

50 Names and Titles of Jesus:

1. Almighty One -who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev. 1:8

2. Alpha and Omega - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Rev. 22:13

3. Advocate - My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 1 John 2:1

4. Author and Perfecter of Our Faith - Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb. 12:2

5. Authority - Jesus said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Matt. 28:18

6. Bread of Life - Then Jesus declared, 'I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. John 6:35

7. Beloved Son of God - And behold, a voice from heaven said, This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased Matt. 3:17

8. Bridegroom - And Jesus said to them, Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast. Matt. 9:15

9. Chief Cornerstone - The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone." Ps. 118:22

10. Deliverer - And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1 Thess.1:10

11. Faithful and True - "I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war." Rev.19:11

12. Good Shepherd - "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:11

13. Great High Priest - "Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession." Heb. 4:14

Psalm 101 v 6

Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land , that they may dwell with me : he that walketh in a perfect way , he shall serve me .

Verse 7 ...

Brothers, this was a wonderful discussion! Very thought provoking. I can hardly wait to return to it and pick up my own study on the topic as I have yet to solidify my own beliefs on the rapture. Thank you and God Bless you!

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes on him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world ,but that the world through him might be saved.

The Torah and the Bible have recorded Gods dealings with Abraham, Sarah; Hagar; Ishmael and Isaac.

In the King James Version of the Bible: chapters 16-21 are recorded the covenants and the blessings on Abraham's seed: Isaac and Ishmael.

Ishmael: see Genesis 17:18-26, 17:24-26

Genesis 16:11-16, Genesis 21:12-18

The Covenant of the Land of Canaan (Israel)

Genesis 17:7-8

God never meant for history to have experienced all the wars fought in the Middle East. He made Covenants with both of Abraham's sons. Through Ishmael was gained wealth, lands, commerce with powerful princes and kings descended through Abraham.

God had already decided to bless the son born between Abraham and Sarah, even before Ishmael was born. In Gods permissive will, He allowed it; and later gave a covenant inheritance to Ishmael.

Gods Perfect Will was continued through Isaac and his descendants.

He's God. We don't get to tell Him how to bless his people. The Bible says of God: I change NOT.

God chose every human being that was directly involved in producing THE MESSIAH, that would save all mankind that would receive Him.

This is all going to bring everyone on earth, to the Book of Revelation. I know, not everyone accepts it, but it's still there like a gigantic signpost at the end of this road we're all on. It's not going away. Even if we burn all the books and launch all the nukes; it will still be there. That is not me talking; it is the words of the Bible; carried and protected, throughout history. Also known as the Dead Sea scrolls.

Jesus was, and is the Messiah. He wants all sons and daughters of Abraham's seed to trust their mortal and eternal lives with the promised Messiah. All must have their names recorded in his Book of Life. (Read Revelation)

Mishael

Revelation 13 has your answer.

Abraham beget Issac ?who said this

is the mark of the beast a real mark?

Or is it something in your brain

Aren't we bless that the Holy Spirit watches over us, and gives direction to more wisdom and understanding in Jesus. Bless you

Yes we are seeing the falling away as it seems to be getting much worse , society is where it is noticed most , churches have been in delusion for many years . There are some good people caught up in them , if they turn to the scriptures they will notice things are not right and leave them .

We are to gather with those that call on the Lord with a pure heart , that's important. If they are believing false doctrines or practicing sin they will have an effect on you .

Separation can be lonely at times as far as people go . But the Grace of God is so much better .

This chapter in the wisdom of Solomon teaches all believers in Jesus Christ to always trust God , relying on Him, hate evils and worldliness. To remind ourselves that God made us immortal and in His own likeness for eternity. Glory be to God in the highest amen

Hi Carleton! Just thought I'd add one little detail to the aborted babies in danger of not going to heaven. We can all stop worrying about their souls. From mine studies I saw in Psalms and Proverbs, scriptures about the life of preborn children. Their substance is not hid from God.

In fact, Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, ALL SOULS ARE MINE; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The Bible even says that in the womb, their days are recorded in a Book.

All of the aborted children (preborn), miscarried and stillborn, death by accidents or murder: their souls go to heaven immediately.

If we can see Jesus's response to the Pharisees comments and the disciples trying to pull the kids off of Jesus .... we will know that Jesus loves children: everything about them. I just believe every child taken by trauma are with Jesus in heaven now. They're alive somewhere. It's too heartbreaking to think of their lives being erased out of that Book. It's contrary to what we know about the character of Jesus.

Mark 10:13-16

And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, "Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it." And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.

There was a study on numbers 10-20 years after abortion was legalized, in the papers. The price of college went up 29% every year, due to reduction of college entrants. It's still going up every year. Ask anyone paying off student loans.

Not only that, but there is less people to pay taxes to support unemployed, under-employed, Medicare, social security, just to name a few.

It's like another sign of the times we are living in.

Talk to you tomorrow, Brother.

M. :)

I would like to add that God will call all sinners to His account in due time because in due time all will sin. We are born to trouble, bit we must understand the trouble that we are in, in order for a complete repentance to restore us to God's perfect Will in Jesus Christ.

Carleton

Hello Mike, Everyone is born with a sin nature, but not everyone has sinned until they are held accountable by God the Father and he calls them to repentance in His Son Jesus Christ whom paid in advance a surety for the sins that will come. By baptizing an infant or a non-understanding person that God has not called to repentance a mis-understanding of the complete work at Calvary is at hand. The reformation was weak because the Kings of the countries were not able to accept citizenship separate from Baptism. Under pressure (for their lives) most reformers gave in an accepted infant Baptism while trying to still teach repentance for sins.

I have another question for you as a Catholic believer, why do some older Catholic Churches present Jesus in a casket up by the altar? I have personally witnessed this in two historic Catholic Churches.

Carleton

Andy,

I hate to break the news to you, but Baptism is essential to entering into the new covenant of Jesus just as circumcision was essential to entering the old testament covenant. I hope you are Baptized. Wouldn't want you to miss out. And once you are Baptized, your free will allows you to lose your innocence by sinning. Here is where your repentance comes in. If you don't repent, then one gets to go to the smoking section!

Jesus was very specific - Unless you are born of the water and the spirit (Baptism for short) you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. Not sure how that could be any clearer.

blessings,

Mike

Mike,

The little children you referred to are the 'believers' that start their journey of repentance as babies ( Matthew 11:25; Luke 10:21; Romans 2:20; 1 Cor. 3:1; 1 Peter 2:2).

The word of God is spiritually discerned and not understood by the natural man ( 1 Cor. 2:14).

On the contrary: He that is spiritual judgeth all things ( 1 Cor. 2:15).

Baptism is not able to save children or anyone else. Please read Hebrews 6:1,2; 9:4.

The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting, repentings) is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.

It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), as mankind follows after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9).

It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world ( 1 John 5:4; Rev. 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).

LUKE 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH.

Hi Carleton,

I'm not quite sure how the topic switched to infant baptism but now that you bring it up, I understand that there are a number of Protestant denominations that do not believe in infant Baptism. Is that expressly forbidden in the Bible? The Church from the beginning has always had infant Baptism. We don't wait to feed a baby until it decides on its own that it needs food. Baptism confers spiritual food, grace and without that, it can't go to Heaven (oh boy, am I going to hear about that one). We are born in sin and a sinful person cannot go to Heaven unless that sin has been removed. Jesus did die for our redemption but that does not void the need for baptism. He told Nicky that "unless a man be born again of water and the spirit He cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven". Jesus didn't specify that he couldn't be a baby either. There are also references in the Bible where Peter went to the Gentile's house under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and baptized the whole household. Can't believe that there weren't some babies in that mix. Just because we are born doesn't mean that we go to Heaven automatically. So, if we love our babies, then let's get them into Jesus family ASAP and then raise them in the Faith. The Jewish tradition set a good example when on the 8th day after birth the male child was circumcised as a "baptism" into the covenant with God. They didn't have any choice in the matter. This is why abortion is so horrific to God. As far as we know, that child will not get the opportunity to join the family of God. Only God's mercy will determine that condition - maybe Limbo - the place where the just went before the Redemption. Lots of questions to be answered when we get to Heaven. But until then, we need to do what is prudent. "Unless you be like little children..."

Right on Norman! God wins!

Dear Palm,

All things are possible with God, Palm. After all, we were all one before Martin Luther. Let us pray that Jesus wish to the Father ( John 17:21 kjv)

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

We should not underestimate the power of God, Palm. There is nothing that God cannot do. We need to stop our inter-famiily squabbles and come together as Christ wants. After all, we all have the same Master.

AMDG,

Mike

This is a wonderful biblical website with tremendous content but we live in perilous times and time is fast approaching that government totalitarianism and censorship will take all Christian content off the enternet. Appreciate what we have demonic principalities and powers are coming after Christians.

Have you considered how infant baptism keeps the relationship quite close?

God cannot be received by this present world and so-called world evangelization (global unity) is a deception at the highest level and the workings of the spirit of this world ( John 1:5,10; 8:23; 14:17,22; 15:19,20; 17:9,14,16,25; 18:36; Rom. 8:7; 1Cor. 1:20; 2:4-8, 12-14; 1 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 3:12; James 4:4; 1 John 2:15; 3:1; 5:4,19; 2 John 7.

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

mark of the beast in todays time

The Protestants will not reunite with the Catholic Church by the end of this year..or anytime soon. You can count on that with absolute certainty. Within the same certainty, Mike, that you speak with.

Dear Adam,

I'll try to be respectful, but I'm 70 and don't have many seconds or filters left... but I'll try.

You will make a good Catholic. My guess is that if you were born in the first 1400 years of the Church you would have been one.

I don't think my first questions were loaded at all. I was just trying to show that we solicit intercessory prayer from others (Adam, would you please pray for my mom who is on her deathbed? for example) so there are times that we use alternatives to solicit God's help other than only going right to Him. Intercessory prayer is all over in the bible. Anytime someone comes up to Jesus to have him help someone else, that is intercessory prayer and Jesus honored that.

Apostolic succession (Priesthood in the order of Melchizedek) is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles, something that is impossible in Protestant denominations.

The role of apostolic succession in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. To make sure that the apostles' teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles (before the, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" ( 2 Tim. 2:2).

Lots of untruths about the Church. We DO NOT PRAY TO statues or People. Statues are a physical representation of a spiritual person and we honor (not worship) the person and ask for their help as an intercessor. There are statues in the public sector but we do not worship them either. Humans are visual creatures - statues, icons, pictures give us a representation of who we are asking for intercession. Pictures in wallets perform the same function.

Blessings to you Adam

most churches today worship on a Sunday the day that Christ rose from the dead. Sabbath is Saturday. But, really we should worship him everyday.