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Raymond Quijano,

I hear you loud and clear and completely agree.

I will do my best to keep God's calendar and not the ridiculous Gregorian calendar that has everyone fouled up.

The Book of Enoch from the Dead Sea Scrolls gives us the Solar Priestly Calendar.

The Book of Enoch covers topics on the solar priestly calendar, origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and the thousand-year reign of the Messiah.

The Book of Jude speaks of these fallen angels and Enoch is mentioned as having preached against them ( Jude 1: 14-15).

Sabbath days remain constant on the Enoch calendar in relation to the spring equinox; but they will rotate on the Gregorian calendar.

Enoch lived 365 years (and possibly .242)

The spring equinox is the great equalizer of the calendar and is the leap day that rectifies the calendar every year (day 365.242), look at (Ps. Ch. 19)

March 20, 2020 (sunrise to sunrise) was the 365th day of the solar year (the day of the spring equinox), making March 21, 2020 the first day of the first month of the New Year (and the 4th day of the week)

The 364 day Enoch solar calendar runs off the 365.242 day solar cycle

When does the day start? Look at ( Gen 1:16, 18, 19:33, 34, Ex. 10:13, 16:22-27,

We are specifically commanded to use the SUN as the sign for days, Sabbaths, months, years, Sabbaths of years, jubilees, and feasts, and for all seasons of the year.

The LUNAR cycle for the year is 354 days

The Enoch solar calendar is 364 days (+ 365th and day of spring equinox)

The moon is to be for light upon the earth at night ( Gen. 1:14, Psalms 136:9, Jeremiah 31:35), for seasons ( Psalms 104:19), and for a witness to the covenant of David ( Psalms 89:37).

The ONLY calendar that can reckon Daniel's 70 weeks is the Enoch calendar.

Chris, Book of Enoch worth taking a look at.

The 7th day Sabbath that I try to follow generally concerns 1) No servile work 2) not buying or selling / 3) resting 4) doing good works 5) honoring God.

3 and 4 I try to do every day.

I realize that I could be totally wrong about all of this. I don't think that God will fault me for trying though?

I am in the favorable position of being able to adjust for the (generally) yearly shift of the 7th day due to the Gregorian calendar.

Just as our birth day shifts every year, why would people think that the 7th day or the 1st day or whatever day they

follow would not change also?

More information concerning the Book of Enoch:

Paraphrased from Wikipedia:

The Book of Enoch covers topics on the solar priestly calendar, origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and the thousand-year reign of the Messiah.

The Book of Jude speaks of these fallen angels and Enoch is mentioned as having prophesied against them ( Jude 1: 14-15).

Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments, were proof that The Book of Enoch was known by Jews and early Christians.

This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs.

Judaism- Although evidently widely known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon, Enoch was excluded from both the formal canon of the Tanakh and the typical canon of the Septuagint and therefore, also from the writings known today as the Deuterocanon.

One possible reason for Jewish rejection of the book might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah;

Verse 4

Verse 10

Verse 18

Verse 19

Verse 25

Read the whole book this is so prevalent today , Adultery in the church ! And guess who is responsible. These false teachers.

Chris,

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions as well as your thoughts on the matters being discussed.

I would tend to agree with most of your thoughts concerning being saved. But I look at it from this point of view. Those that are predestinated, and chosen, and accepted, etc such as Abraham, Enoch, Moses, etc. are saved because God said so, as many of the verses you offer supports. We have examples of them throughout Scripture (whether they wanted to do the will of God or not i.e., Jonah or Saul / Paul). And I agree, it is only Jesus and God that truly know you are saved, man does not. Neither God, nor Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit, has revealed to me that I have been chosen, or have become acceptable, etc

I would like to believe that I have been predestined, and already saved through my steadfast belief in The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I feel very blessed throughout my lifetime.

I want to believe that I have an unshakable faith that can withstand all the horrors that can be inflicted upon myself and my family and my friends.

I realize that I have had to fight for none of the religious freedoms I currently enjoy.

I have never been truly tested; life or death to be a Christian; as in other parts of the world today.

I feel as though I need to contend every day for the faith that was once given unto the saints ( Jude 1:3).

I pray that I can withstand the fiery darts of Satan if and when the time comes.

I know that if the end times weren't shortened by Christ Himself, even the elect would not be saved ( Matthew 24:22).

Hebrews 6:9 concerns the hope / confidence / trust that the beloved in Christ will not falter; but for those spoken of in Hebrews 6:6 that were once enlightened, and have now fallen away; Hebrews 6:8 is their final end.

One who is a believer is born of the Spirit.

What does ordained to this condemnation mean

Genesis 1:10 KJV(10) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

God called the "dry" land Earth as the meek shall inherit the earth. The dry, meek heart shall be dried of the waters of strife as they will humbly hear the opening up of His mouth that will teach us. He will open up the Scriptures to our hearing ears and we are to take heed on how we hear for we shall be given more.

Matthew 5:2 KJV

(2) And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

Happy are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth as they shall hear HIs teaching humbly. The "dry" heart shall be dried of all evil and evil speaking....the waters of strife. God called the dry land "Earth" for the meek shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 5:5 KJV

(5) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

But the gathering of the waters are people who will resist what they hear and don't understand as the "raging waves of the sea" foaming out their own shame as they speak a multiple amount/superfluity of evil words in their envy and strife. The wicked shall not understand Him as the "blackness of darkness" is reserved for them.

Jude 1:13 KJV

(13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

The wicked are like the troubled sea when it cannot rest whose waters cast up mire and dirt (as they will speak multiple evil words in their contention of His teaching). There is no peace to the wicked.

Isaiah 57:18-21 KJV

(18) I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

(19) I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.

(20) But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

(21) There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Job 38 tells us the Sons of God shouted for joy at the creation of the earth. Adam did not come until 6 days AFTER the creation of the earth. So Adam could not have shouted for Joy before he was in existence. So the Sons of God of Job 38 must be angels., unless Adam shouted for joy before he existed.

Believers do not become Sons of God till they are born of the Spirit in the New Testament. Adam was called a Son of God since he had no earthly mother and Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. Angels are not THE SON OF GOD, they are Sons of God.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

After all who was the FATHER of the Angels? think about it.

God tells us He never called an Angel His Son we are all Sons and Daughters equal in Christ Jesus and Adopted by God yes like The Godhead our roles are different but God has no favorites. Jude tells us the Angels sinned the same as those in Sodom and Gomorrah Verses 7-8. Deuteronomy tells us who Gods Sons were who had relations with these Woman. yes we need to read carefully Gods Truth in Scripture but not with Man or Woman's understanding but with Gods Wisdom.

Rom 10:17-So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Living: 2Co 5:7-(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Rom 1:17-For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Praying: Jude 1:20-But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Action: Here are some more faith scriptures for you to read and study. God Bless!

James 2:1-26 and the whole chapter of Hebrews 11.

Isaac - You want the book of Enoch edited by Charles as the other one is occultism in nature. That is the one most Christians show interest in. It can be found online and some booksellers have it.

The text of the Book of Genesis says Enoch lived 365 years before he was taken by God.

He was considered to be the author of the Book of Enoch and also called Enoch the scribe of judgment.

The New Testament has three references to Enoch from the lineage of Seth ( Luke 3:37, Hebrews 11:5, Jude 1:14-15).

The Book of Enoch is considered to be a historical book and was not canonized into the Bible.

Isaac, the book of Enoch is an Apocryphal book that is not found in the Canon of Scripture. It is one of the books that were considered of doubtful value/quality when the Scriptures were put together for the KJV. If you want to see those books, then just go down to the end of this Site's page & click on KJV Apocrypha.

So where the book of Enoch can be found?

" Gen. 6:2 tells us who fathered the daughters...."The sons of God (angels) saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they took wives of all they desired and chose". Jude 1:6 tells us what God did to these angels, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"."

No, every person is the the "Sons of God", only those who repent of their sins and ask Christ to come into their lives and follows His commandments are "Sons and Daughters of God". The angels are also referred to as Sons of God.

" Gen. 6:2 tells us who fathered the daughters...."The sons of God (angels) saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they took wives of all they desired and chose". Jude 1:6 tells us what God did to these angels, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"."

Gen. 6:2 tells us who fathered the daughters...."The sons of God (angels) saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they took wives of all they desired and chose". Jude 1:6 tells us what God did to these angels, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day".

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:1-4

The sons of GOD ARE INDEED Angels, this is referenced in Jude as well. So, 1st Enoch may be missing from our translations. GOD YHWH is the ONLY TRUE AND HOLY JUDGE.

Mishael and everyone else.

Archeological records do show pre-historic people were religious. Religion has existed from the beginning, not just because God created us with a desire for Him, but because Satan and his horde used it to draw people away from God. The earliest writings are religious; Gilgamesh and Sanskrit. Just as God used to walk in the Garden with Adam and Eve, Satan and fallen angels made their presence known. Was association with these fallen angels and pursuit of idolatrous religious beliefs that excluded God, what the Fruit consisted of? Of course, we don't know. But everything in the Bible points to it. From the day Adam Sinned, to the present. The earliest cave drawings show rituals God would not approve of. Why have men been drawn to spiritual worship that excludes God? Why have they believed everything except the Truth? Out of 7 Billion people on the Earth, there are only 2 Billion that bear the name of Christ.

Think about this. Why is it Christ only showed Himself to a select group, after His Resurrection? Why not go public? Why didn't anyone recognize Him? They sat with Him, talked, fished and ate with Him, and they didn't recognize Him. Why? Because God has a Plan, a design. God created with a Purpose. Why did God speak in Parables and not plainly? Because if He had, they would believe. Didn't He want everyone to believe? The answer is a resounding No.

Men have been drawn away from God from the very beginning. Why? Satan. Satan enticed Adam and Eve by appealing to their curiosity about things they didn't know about God and the universe. He preyed on their innocence and the desire God placed in us for Him. God told them not to follow those things, but like Songs 2, they were enticed. They disobeyed. Gen 6:5, Rev 2:20, 2Kings 9:22, 17:16-18, Jude 1:11. 1Sam15:23: For rebellion is like the sin of divination,

and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you. Sound like Adam?

Larry B Jesus was, is and always shall be God, who came in the flesh to redeem mankind from sin and death.

1 Timothy 3:16

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." King James Version (KJV)

God never changes. Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus never changes. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God is the only Saviour. "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11

To the only wise God our Saviour... Jude 1:12

God our Saviour. Titus 2:10

...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10

God my Saviour. Luke 1:47

Jesus is the only Saviour. ...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14

...our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18

...God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1

...the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42

...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4

a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11

Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

-- Acts 4:12

...salvation... is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

-- 2 Timothy 2:10

Frederick, Jude here refers to a group of 200 angels who descended upon Mt. Hermon and took an oath between themselves, to defile humanity. Perhaps as part of Satan's attempt to foil GOD's plan of redemption.

They agreed to intermingle with women which resulted in the nephillim. This is what the spirit means when it refers to the "mighty men of old, men of reknown" mentioned in Genesis 6. The nephillim were 1/2 Man, 1/2 angel and were humongous and great in strength and became well known for their exploits. GOD put enmity between them and they set themselves against each other until they were all dead. All the greek "gods" and the titans were actually these nephillim.

When the fallen angels appealed to GOD for mercy HE sent Michael to place them in iron fetters and then placed them in Tartarus, the land of shadow, which we know also as the bottomless pit. They are there now awaiting judgment.

Jude here refers to them as examples of of the consequences of indulging the flesh and its lustful desires and willfully disobeying GOD.

A study of the metaphorical reference to stars in the Bible, shows that stars are iften a reference to people, not just physical heavenly bodies, such as stars, meteors, planets.

See examples in:

Revelation 1:20

Jude 1:13

Nahum 3:16

Judges 5:20

Revelation 9:1

All I can honestly say on this subject is that Angels did leave their first estate to mate with the daughters of men, the bible declares it and I believe it. The book of Enoch tells the story in detail.

YES! It is an abomination in the eyes of god! read 1 timothy 1:9-10, Romans 1:26-27, the bible clearly states that it is a shameless act and has a due penalty. God in his word in Jude 1:7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah served as an example of hat will happen if you peruse the unnatural lusts of the flesh- you will be cast into eternal fire!

Where do you think the word Sodomy comes from? its a word of shameful acts against god.

These are the scriptures that refer to angels that were with Satan. Before Satan was removed from heaven: Satan's name had been Lucifer; angels that were with him were called sons of God. They were all thrown out. Where I don't know.

It's in the Bible. I knew I had read it.

Job1:6; Job 2:1, Revelation 12:9 and 12:7

2 Peter 2: 4-5 and Jude 1:6

Why would God destroy the earth with water unless something had happened at Eden. I'm not going to play a guessing game.

That is why it is not His one and only son, It is then in fact His only begotten Son, in all creation!

Read Matthew 24 and look at all the earthquakes lately. Look into the Noahide laws that is on the books in America. They are not currently being enforced yet. Ask where the noahide laws are in the Bible. The laws given to Noah. They exist only in the minds of rabbis. look into the punishment for breaking the noahide laws and then read revelation 20:4
then ask that question again. People have been saying it is the end times for hundreds of years. however every day is a day closer.

Are we in the end times?

sons of God in the new testament after being born again they are to become.
Adam is also called a son of God
and the angels were the only sons of God in the old testament.
Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God.

Sons of God are as saints, made a little lower than the angels. The kingdom of heaven is not unlike the creation. Similar in that there are angels messengers of God for the benefit of man, and men who believe in the power of Christ are saints! Abiding in Christ is a gift according to his mercy He saved us. The water is washing of regeneration, Blood is the sanctification, the spirit is life. This is His creation, this is His will. Before the fall of man ,the creation was perfect. The creation of man and his faith in the gospel will be Satan's downfall. In the end the extension of his creation of heaven and earth will be found in the power of Christ. Everlasting life. All glory to God!