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  • Adam - 3 years ago
    "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4 KJV

    "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:28 KJV

    "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" Mark 12:29 KJV

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

    "And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments." Revelation 16:7 KJV

    Romans 10:9 , Luke 2:11, Philippians 2:11, 2 Corinthians 4:5

    Amen.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jude 1:1-51.

    Something to watch for is Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    This was going on in Jude's day and have certainly excelled in our day. " For there are certain men crept in unawares".

    How do they creep in? craftiness? PERHAPS MULTIPLE NAME CHANGES. What is their purpose? Hender the spiritual growth of the believer by their false doctrine?

    They seem to agree with you on topics such as the trinity and other topics "even though they give an unorthodox description of it once examined closely".

    They come in all shapes form and fashions.

    Let's deal with those who Spiritualizes ALL the scripture and in doing so these particular views devalue the blood shed on the cross and the love God displayed in offering his beloved son. ( John 3:16.)

    Also, John 15:13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    This means nothing if there are no consequences to "NOT' receiving Christ, if there is no hell and everyone goes to heaven no matter what you have done in this lifetime! "This is according to their doctrine"

    HOW IS THE LOVE OF GOD DISPLAYED ON THE CROSS IF IT WAS UNNECESSARY? Judas, Hitler, Putin, Murderers, Thieves, etc., etc. gets in Heaven anyway!

    This particular person also holds the view that we all become as Gods with their incorrect spiritualizing of the text.

    WHY IS THIS MESSAGE SO IMPORTANT TO THEM IF THERE IS NO HELL AND THE CROSS DOSENT MATTER?

    WHY EVEN BOTHER?

    WHERE IS THE VALUE IN FAITH, LOVE, ECT. WORKS, BELIEVING, OBEYING, IN THIS DOCTRINE?

    WHATS THE POINT IN SHARING SCRIPTURE?

    It's also interesting to see some support a view without understanding it or holding the same viewpoints. The only thing they have in common is multiple name changes.

    GB
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    Jude 1:1-51.

    We often have the discussion on Apostacy. I would like to talk a little about signs of an Apostate and perhaps his or her purpose.

    When we are discussing this topic with perhaps one of them, we are often hering them say, "A turning away from (THE) truth" with "The Truth" being heavily emphasized.

    As if they have something you can't get out of the Lord's word.

    LET US PAUSE HERE FOR A MOMENT.

    Isn't the truth God's word?!

    Here you have a sign of a deceiver when they draw you away from the word of God and in doing so, they turn you away from God's word in the flesh!

    They lure men and women after them by giving them the word out of the very scripture that they attempt to turn them away from.

    Here's how this is done.

    They spiritualize ALL the text!! And only they have the keys.

    What does this say about the work of the Holy spirit?

    More on this later.

    GOD BLESS.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Mr. Bowman, you're asking about 2Thessalonians 2:3, it starts with 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, the coming of Lord,._. Please notice this is the 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, following up on the discussion in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, also following the words of Jesus.

    It seems the "great falling away" may be as Jesus explained with the seed, parable. When they face trouble, not rooted in good soil; Please look at Matthew 13:6,20,21, notice Jesus says we will go through "the great tribulation" Matthew 24:21,22,29, Matthew 24:30, in context please read both full chapters, also please look at : Revelation 6:9-11, if Jesus says endure to the end, Matthew 24:13, 2Peter 3:3-14, 1Peter 5:2-11, Hebrews 12:23-29, Hebrews 10:35-39, Colossians 1:23,

    1Peter 1:2-9, Jude 1:24,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hey Zapenter,

    There are many opinions on this, my understanding is Jesus is coming back to set up the kingdom on earth and I believe scripture supports a literal 1000 years. The events in Revelation skip around in the chapters which if we read straight through seem confusing at times. When Satan is cast down from heaven in Rev. 12 it starts, and in Rev.13 we see the beast rise out of the sea, which the sea can represent the abyss or bottomless pit. The beast was given 42 months not seven years.

    We see the bottomless pit in Rev. 9, Rev. 11, Rev. 17, and Rev. 20. This place is the deepest darkest place where God has put the angels who left their first estate, 2 Pet.2:4 and Jude 1:6. This is where the beast will ascend from that is told us in Rev. 11 and 17 and where Satan will be for the 1000 years, Rev. 20.

    If we see in Rev. 13 the beast has 42 months and we see in Rev. 11 that the two witnesses are given the same amount of time, 42 months so they are here at the same time. When the beast kills the two witnesses and that gets us to Rev. 19 the second coming of Jesus when heaven was opened, and we see Jesus on the white horse coming and the angel calls and gathers the fowls for the supper of the great God.

    After the battle of Armageddon, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire and Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit and the 1000 years will begin, the first and only time Satan is put in the bottomless pit. After the 1000 years in Rev. 20:10, Satan is gone forever.

    There is a lot more, and much I have left out this is just a very short kind of outline that I hope helps and does not confuse your study.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    You can check out the following Scriptures, Dave: Leviticus 18:22 (& verse 23: bestiality); Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:26,27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; Jude 1:7.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Thanks Giannis.

    That's the way I have it as well.

    On the Matthew 24:31-46 I think I was responding to Gigi.

    Her quote;

    By GiGi

    The most consistent view in the church over the centuries was that the rapture happens on the Last Day, as Jesus said in Luke 21:27; Matthew 24:29-31. Even Daniel was told that he would arise on the Last Day in Daniel 12:13. This is why I believe that Jesus comes back only once again and will gather believers to Himself on the Last Day.

    End quote.

    My point was that Matthew 24 was not about the rapture.

    Those taken away are gathered for judgment.

    She's rapturing the wrong group!

    Some say that the tribulation is a time of testing for God's people. Who and what is being tested? God's grip?

    We must consider these verses. John 10:28-29.

    I John 4:4.

    Matthew 28:20.

    John 14:18-20.

    Ephesians 3:30.

    Jude 1:24-25.

    Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

    So it's obvious God is not testing a spirit filled vessel.

    TRIBULATION.

    This is mentioned in Daniel 12 where a specific time period is mentioned and Jesus confirms it in Matthew 24:15-21. This tribulation is to come upon the whole world. This is not the persecution ( By the world ) promised to the Church in Matthew 5:10 and other places.

    There's a huge difference between persecution by the world and tribulation ( UPON ) the world.

    Millennium.

    Where does Christ thousand years reign here on earth fit in their theology?

    My reason for asking is they are split in this view.

    If you say the rapture comes after the tribulation and you use Matthew 24 to authenticate that, When is the thousand years reign of Christ here on earth?

    Why would you rapture people out of the Millennium?

    Some hold the view the Millennium has already begun and the Church will usher in the Millennium by preaching the Gospel.

    They say there is no rapture.

    Continue this weekend.

    God bless.
  • Eric - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 3 years ago
    Many believe the 2 witnesses will be Moses and Elijah, which represent both the law (Moses) and the the prophets (Elijah). This perception is based on the fact that both were seen with Christ in the gospels by Peter on the Mount of Transfiguration where Peter asks Christ if he should build 3 tabernacles, 1 for Moses, 1 for Elijah and 1 for Christ.
  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    Reflections on heaven part 4

    Ruling over angels.

    We are told that we will rule over angels in scripture. ( Heb. 2:5-9). There are other passages in Hebrews that discuss how Christ was brought a little lower than the angels; however for His earthly ministry; and how they seek to learn the mysteries of God and salvation. It would be wise to examine the admonitions of Jude 1:9 however. In this present day we cannot even have the wrong attitude contending with the devil when God has allowed his authority for His purposes in this age. We indeed will rule and reign with Him; but clearly we won't have some puffed up superiority with angels assigned under us. These same angels now are "ministering spirits" ( Heb. 1:14) who are incognito only appearing when needed for a specific purpose without any additional fanfare. There are other verses on us judging angels; which I don't care to speculate on in this forum due to space constraints.

    It was suggested in today's sermon that angels may be able to fill in what was going on that we couldn't see; or answer questions about how certain choices changed the course of events; etc. Surely we will learn more about specific ministries there; as well as between the differing ranks (Cherubim; and or beasts surrounding the throne; Archangels and others). Again; the angels that remained faithful were always drawing attention to God's glory and not themselves. Surely; that is how we will rule with Christ when He reigns in perfect righteousness; and settles disputes among nations ( Isaiah 2:4). There will be cities for us to rule over ( Luke 19:17) which someone could interpret as a figurative allegory but I see no reason why.

    God has given His angels great power; such as the one assigned to kill 185,000 in a day ( 2 Kings 19:35). Since they are not puffed up over having that type of authority; we also will not be when because of adoption as sons we are exalted since Christ died for men and not angels.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 3 years ago
    I meant to say their ascension CAN'T be replicated although it could somehow be fabricated....
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 3 years ago
    As with anything else; Hebrews 9:27 makes a plausible argument; but it isn't worth quibbling about. The nature of the unique ministry is quite remarkable; as there will clearly and at long last be an undeniable "signs and wonders" ministry that will dwarf anything seen before. This will; of course involve a prophetic contest between the truth and a lie; with fire coming down; a mark or seal; and a Resurrection being mimicked by the Beast immediately after these witnesses have completed their misistry (although their ascension can be replicated).

    I tend to emphasize the same concept as Christ preaching to the spirits of disobedience in hades. This is; along with likely the 144,000 primarily if not exclusively a DECLARATORY message of judgment rather than the Gospel as it stands today; since by the sixth seal ALL of mankind will know about God and Christ as well as the beginning of judgment. I would say this probably can be defined as the completion of the "Gospel of the Kingdom" ( Mark 1:14-15). The Gospel was said not to be given to all the cities of Israel before Messiah returns ( Matthew 24:14). There are certain verses about preaching to kings and having the Holy Spirit give the words which seem to be dual prophecies for the Apostles as well as the end time saints; as much of the generation that is described that will not pass until all these things come to pass seems to be describing later on in verse 34 of the same chapter.

    It does seem that there is a lag time between the Rapture and the appearance of the 2 witnesses. Since certain judgments on the earth are held back before the 144,000 and likely the 2 witnesses coinciding with that time frame; it would seem that time is needed (they say 6 months or so) for the Temple to be constructed and for most of the seal judgments to transpire first.

    That in my mind would also all ow the so called " Psalm 83" war to take out Israel's surrounding nations and their threats to come first before Ezekiel 38.
  • PROPHECY - In Reply on Jude 1:9 - 3 years ago
    Brother Luke:

    Enoch and Elijah are not the only two people in history that did not die but were translated into the presence of God. Anyone from the time of pentecost until the present that have been born again of the word of God, through the works of the cross, have not seen death. The two witnesses to this truth is Mosses and the prophets.

    John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me (truth and life) SHALL NEVER DIE .....

    Titus 1:2 In hope of ETERNAL LIFE, which God , that cannot lie, promised (witnessed by Mosses and the prophets) before the world began;
  • Luke Cage on Jude 1:9 - 3 years ago
    Richard H, IMO, I believe that Elijah and Enoch will be the two witnesses in Jerusalem. After all, they would be the only two men in history that did not die (aside from the ones who were taken to Heaven by Jesus upon his return) but they will die at the hands of the Beast's Israeli servants. Moses died and amazingly enough, he may have even wrote that before he did as he is the purported author of the Pentateuch.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12

    "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." 2 Timothy 2:10

    Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Matthew 10:22

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Matthew 24:13

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Mark 13:13 KJV
  • Lord knows on Jude 1:9 - 3 years ago
    Yes if the Lord was not on my side I should have fallen many times to destruction. I can look back over many years and see this is the case . In Jude He reassures us that no challenge is too great . Verse 24
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    Does God use vessels of dishonour and nations to perform his will?

    I believe so, here's a few reasons why

    Romans 9:18-23.

    Habakkuk 1:5-11. Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

    For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not their's.

    They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

    Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.

    They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

    And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.

    Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.

    Another question asked is there such things as demon possession?

    Here's what I believe and I'm not sure if it classifies as demon possession.

    I believe there's ministers of Satan.

    2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

    These are amongst us everywhere we go and can be identified as tares. Matthew 13:36-42.

    EVIL SPIRITS.

    Satan is the prince of the world and he influences the flesh. the natural man. and the nations.

    1 John 4:1-3.

    These tares may also be seen in Jude 1:1-25.

    You can't always identify these tares with their Doctrine, some of their Doctrine sounds very familiar, but what they "seem" to believe in doesn't humble them and in areas of baring fruit they seems to be lacking. This causes a closer look at their theology and you find them taking a sharp left on the path.

    1 John 2:19.

    God bless."
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    Does God use vessels of dishonour and nations to perform his will?

    I believe so, here's a few reasons why

    Romans 9:18-23.

    Habakkuk 1:5-11. Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

    For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not their's.

    They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

    Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.

    They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

    And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.

    Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.

    Another question asked is there such things as demon possession?

    Here's what I believe and I'm not sure if it classifies as demon possession.

    I believe there's ministers of Satan.

    2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

    These are amongst us everywhere we go and can be identified as tares. Matthew 13:36-42.

    EVIL SPIRITS.

    Satan is the prince of the world and he influences the flesh. the natural man. and the nations.

    1 John 4:1-3.

    These tares may also be seen in Jude 1:1-25.

    You can't always identify these tares with their Doctrine, some of their Doctrine sounds very familiar, but what they "seem" to believe in doesn't humble them and in areas of baring fruit they seems to be lacking. This causes a closer look at their theology and you find them taking a sharp left on the path.

    1 John 2:19.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    Hi.

    This is not an attempt to start a new thread on demonic spirits or evil spirits.

    I just wanted to share just a few scriptures on them and why I believe they exist and are amongst us.

    Their mission is to lure you away or distort the truth in DIVERSE WAYS!! ( Their Doctrine may sound a lot like yours, IF they believe the Doctrine of truth they will bare fruit. )

    1 John 4:1-3.

    1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD.

    Matthew 12:43-45.

    Jude 1:4.

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    Matthew 13:37-40.

    Notice who planted the tares?

    I believe God with his sovereignty and foreknowledge uses vessels of dishonour to accomplish his will.

    Romans 9:17-23. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

    Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

    Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

    Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

    HATH NOT THE POTTER POWER OVER THE CLAY, OF THE SAME LUMP TO MAKE ONE VESSEL UNTO HONOUR, AND ANOTHER UNTO DISHONOUR?

    What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the VESSELS OF WRATH FITTED TO DESTRUCTION:

    And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    Also notice

    Habakkuk 1:5-11.

    God bless.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hey Charlene,

    I agree with Adam if the angels did not have free will, there would not be any that disobeyed. Satan is the great accuser and as we see in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 he presented himself along with the sons of God in heaven, and we know Satan had sinned.



    My understanding is like Luke, they have not been cast out but will be cast down permanently with no more access to heaven, this has not happened yet, Revelation 12. Then the rise of the beast out of the bottomless pit to whom Satan gives his power, seat, and authority on earth.

    There are angels not on the good side that have access to earth, Satan has power on earth limited by God, and devils/demons that scripture does not say how they got here or where they come from. Battles go on we do not see, like in Daniel 10. There is another group of angels different than the ones that have fallen but did not leave their first estate.



    Their deeds were far greater, they left their first estate and left their own habitation 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6. These angels are locked up in chains of darkness, the bottomless pit, and have no access to heaven or earth. This is where the beast that many call antichrist will come from Rev. 11, 17, and where Satan will be locked up for 1000 years, Rev. 20:3.

    God is light and there is no darkness in Him, and God is not author of confusion. Adam and Eve had sin but after they were cast out of the garden they were still in the presence of God because Cain went out of the presence of the LORD.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • DEEDS OF THE NICOLAITANS - In Reply - 3 years ago
    The exact origin of the Nicolaitans is unclear. Some Bible commentators believe they were a heretical sect who followed the teachings of Nicolas-whose name means "one who conquers the people"-who was possibly one of the deacons of the early church mentioned in Acts 6:5. It is possible that Nicolas became an apostate, denying the true faith and became part of a group holding "the doctrine of Balaam," who taught Israel "to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality." Clement of Alexandria says, "They abandoned themselves to pleasure like goats, leading a life of self-indulgence." Their teaching perverted grace and replaced liberty with license.

    Other commentators believe that these Nicolaitans were not so called from any man, but from the Greek word Nicolah, meaning "let us eat," as they often encouraged each other to eat things offered to idols. Whichever theory is true, it is certain that the deeds of the Nicolaitans were an abomination to Christ. They, like the Gnostics and other false teachers, abused the doctrine of grace and tried to introduce licentiousness in its place ( 2 Peter 2:15, 19; Jude 1:4).

    Jesus commends the church of Ephesus for hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans as He does ( Revelation 2:6). No doubt the leaders of the Ephesian church protected their flock from these destructive heresies and kept their people from committing the same evil deeds. All sin is hateful to Christ, as it should be to His followers, as we hate men's evil deeds, not the men themselves. For the church at Pergamos, Jesus had not commendation, but censure. Unlike the Ephesians, they actually embraced the teachings of the Nicolaitans ( Revelation 2:15). Jesus warns them that unless they repent, they are in danger of the judgment that is sure to fall on those who teach false doctrine, attack His church, and destroy His people. The sword of judgment is poised over their heads, and His patience is not limitless ( Revelation 2:16; 19:15).
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Jeremiah 36 - 3 years ago
    Hi Adam.

    That's true you're right.

    I believe in Angels, I also believe in demons.

    I'm not sure but those in Gen 6 may be this group.

    And the angels which kept not their first estate, but LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6.

    LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION,

    I believe that means they sort of disrobed sort of speak or lost their position and perhaps some of the supernatural ability.

    " Like disappearing and reappearing

    I'm not sure, but I don't believe we have baby Angels running around disappearing.

    But who knows, some say one day we're going to have a baby Holy Ghost. Maybe it's one of them.

    of course I'm kidding.

    God bless.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on James 1 - 3 years ago
    Hey Giannis,

    Thanks, I agree, many will burn in the lake of fire, but no one will be cast into it until Rev. 20:15 not before. I believe this is a parable and you do not and that's ok. If we look at the context, Jesus was directing it to the Pharisees who was highly educated, who was being snooty.

    I agree the story fits Greek mythology but in the Old or New Testament scripture does not support an after-death place we go before resurrection; I have not found one verse that says we, as man, go or are taken to heaven. Do you know one?

    My understanding of scripture death is sleep; scripture tells us there is no knowledge of time until we are resurrected. Greek philosophy of death from Socrates, Plato, death is the separation of the soul/spirit from the body that is falsely said to be immortal. This has (in my understanding) intertwined into Christianity teaching.

    There is only one group of angels that are locked in chains of darkness, the ones in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6. These left their own habitation, and God locked them in darkness for what they did against God's creation. Satan, other fallen angels, and devils/demons are on this earth even today.

    In Matt. 27 it just seemed different to use another word for resurrection than the Greek word "anastasis" used all the other times for resurrection. It was John 5:25 When Jesus said the hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and shall live. These are the ones I believe when Jesus cried out came out of their graves. John 5:28-29 will be the final resurrection. Hope that makes since.

    The different times in Mark and John I will have to go with everything else that was written. There is not a contradiction between John and Mark, Jesus was nailed to the cross and stood up on the 3rd hour, 9AM the same time the first lamb of the Tamid was put on the altar on Passover day, the preparation day for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a sabbath day.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    True deliverance.

    I feel it isn't worth arguing the validity today of spiritual deliverance as it applies to the church. God may choose to manifest differently much of the time in this part of the church age; but Satan never sleeps ( 1 Peter 5:8); so by default neither do his minions; although it seems he doesn't have to work that hard today the way people are so depraved. I am reminded of the verse "without a vision the people perish". ( Prov. 29:18). We must be pure at heart to see the Kingdom of God; and strong enough to have become Ephesians 6 "Full armor" candidates to do any real spiritual damage. This of course requires much prayer; and occasional fasting as scripture also showed with the demon infested boy who tried to drown himself.

    There is argument as well as to whether a Christian can be possessed or just oppressed. I have certainly in my subconscious been attacked since being a Christian. In any case; when we fail to be proactive in praying against the temptations that are common to us all (although I can't find the verse) we are weakening ourselves as a Body. We need to pray for the Spirit to remove those things that bind our brothers and sisters in the Lord; and which blind others from the truth who God is calling to come to the cross. If the enemy can block prayer; then all the events which are planned are lackluster and missing the power they could have had otherwise. We need to also recognize how Satan works through our family and friends; those opposing the Gospel; fellow workers; those on the street who are blaspheming God; finances; and a myriad of troubles which take our focus away from the Gospel. We need to repent of sins; or God will allow a stronghold to make us miserable. We also must forgive others; as scripture indicates 70 X 7.

    We must realize as Jude stated we DARE not go after Satan with a railing accusation ( Jude 1:9). We appeal to Christ or we are dead meat basically. He will lead us to those needing prayer
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    Brothern.

    Time of Grace article on division.

    Even the word "devil" can be translated as "to divide."

    The devil loves chaos. Ever since his fall from Heaven Satan seeks to divide the world. His first action was to divide the angels, which was followed-up by tempting Adam and Eve in the garden, driving a wedge between the first humans and God.

    Division is the devil's playground and it shouldn't be surprising. The word "devil," comes from the Greek word diabolos, which can be translated as, "to divide," "to separate," or more literally, "to throw against." Whenever we see division occur in the world, especially division that pits one group in society against another, we can affirm that the devil is in some way behind it. He wants us to destroy ourselves and hatred against other people is one of the fastest ways we become the authors of our own demise.

    Jesus, on the other hand, desires unity.

    I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me. And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one. ( John 17:20-22)

    The Holy Trinity is the prime example of unity and communion, something we will ultimately participate in if we reach Heaven someday. Heaven will essentially be "communion," where we are unified not only with God, but with each other.

    Above all, we need to strive for unity in truth, coming together to fight against injustices with charity. If we can stay united together under the leadership of Jesus Christ, we are able to thwart the plans of the devil.

    End article.

    BE VISUAL!!

    For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4.

    God bless.
  • S. Spencer - 3 years ago
    Brothers and Sisters.

    The clarity of scripture.

    Matthew 7:15-20.

    They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, "THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST" that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:19.

    These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

    A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

    An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

    A FALSE WITNESS THAT SPEAKETH LIES, AND HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN. Proverbs 6:16-19.

    Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Romans 16:17-18.

    This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

    But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:8-9.

    These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

    But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

    How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. Jude 1:16-19.

    Matthew 7:15-20 !!

    1 Peter 5:9-11.

    Amen and God bless.
  • David - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Albert Gen 4 Yes cain was adam and eves son by flesh and blood but then read Jude 1:11 then you read about the way of cain and you read what influenced him spiritually. Thats why God made cain a vagabond because he was wicked spiritually not

    by his physical parents.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Being saved by grace: Genesis 6:8, Genesis 19:12,13,15,16, Exodus 33:12,17,

    By The law: Romans 3:10-31,

    Faith : Romans 4, Romans 5,

    Obedience, yeilding to GOD: Psalms 84:11, Romans 6, Romans 12, 1Corinthians 3:9-15, 2Corinthians 9:8, Ephesians 2:1-10, Titus 3:7,8, 1Peter 4:10, 1Peter 5:1-11,

    Romans 11:16-22, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7: , Hebrews 10, James 2,

    Watch out for: Jude 1:4,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your walk, with GOD
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Matthew 24 - 3 years ago
    I have thought about these issues for the 40 or so years as a Christian. Here's my outline:

    1) People who are walking in the Spirit who are not fallen asleep. These are; in all honesty the minority in most churches today.

    (See Malachi 3:16-18 to understand this issue of those written in the Book of Remembrance and their characteristics).

    2) People who are of faith and lukewarm. It would seem that for some; even backslidden believers around right now; that they will miss the Rapture if indeed it is a REWARD issue and not merely a salvation one. Such verses as Rev. 3:4-6 and 18-19 seem to show garments made white; and that further on in Rev. 7:9-14 it would seem that indeed these are believers whose garments were NOT unspotted as Eph. 5:27; Jude 1:23 and others who needed to bear fruit in the Tribulation (word comes from the word Tribulum which has to do with a quick wheat harvest in the hot sun).

    3) New believers: Since the nation of Israel has had the truth hidden until the fullness of the gentiles comes in Rom 11:17-29 then it stands to reason that at least the 144,000 if not parts of the countless multitude are new believers. One third survive "going through the fire" ( Zech. 13:9).

    4) The lost. These will sadly include those who did not LOVE the truth in order to be saved...notice they had to have intellectual knowledge first to become reprobate like this. These will no doubt believe that Antichrist is Christ or the first seal rider or believe in UFO invasion or some other lie. There could be some who never heard the gospel but it seems that it will be very few.

    In any event ALL those whose names are not written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world will take the mark. ( REv. 17:18; etal).

    The separation with Israel itself will likely sort those who are into mysticism such as the Kaballah; and the Talmud from those who are looking strictly for the Messiah from the O.T. I believe for mass revival the rapture must happen
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Keep your eyes on GOD our LORD & Savior! : Philippians 4:4, Philippians 4:6-8, Deuteronomy 11:18, (not anything else) Proverbs 3:13-26,

    Proverbs 4:18-27, Deuteronomy 4:4-9, Joshua 22:5,

    1Peter 1:6-25,

    Matthew 13:15-43, Nahum 1:3-15, Jude 1:20-25,

    Trust GOD!

    Lake Mead has dried maybe to expose the evils & cleanse it. Many have prayed for years for truth exposure & crimes solved. Didn't you know there are springs of water all around that area, even going into Death Valley? & a natural underground water Basin, that flows into parts of California. Trust GOD as we see HIM work out HIS mighty will. Stop looking to anything else as your sources. Also there are several methods of cleaning sea water into drinking water, even used in Space for Astronaut survival. Huntington Beach California wanted to implement during 2016-2018, but illegal immigrant votes in the area stopped the process with petition. Many also continued to waste water, disregarding most laws, opened my eyes to what "lawlessness" is. And lawless men & women in high positions, protecting their lawlessness. GOD is Faithful 1Thessalonians 5:15-24, pray & let GOD have HIS way, trust GOD for righteous discipline, HIS Justice, HIS righteous judgement & HIS faithful provisions. Romans 12:17-21, Psalms 78:20, Psalms 147:9, Matthew 6:8,9,10,11,12,13, for they know not what they do & that they trouble their own souls: Proverbs 11:17-19,

    Hopefully these are helpful & encouraging
  • EmethAlethia - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 3 years ago
    Understand, Satan is so powerful that he convinced 1/3 of all the angels that were present when the foundations of the

    earth were laid, that he could take God. We, are, according to scripture, "currently" lower than the angels. You think there is something you can say or do to "restrain Satan" or "rebuke" him. As a matter of fact, Jude 1:8-16.

    Even other angels, greater, by far, than any living human, won't lay a single accusation at the feet of Satan. Instead they say, "The Lord God rebuke you." " I rebuke you..." Is going where no angel will ever go. They're not stupid. Daring to rebuke Satan is like daring to stand in front of a freight train and yelling stop I command you in the name of Fred my janitor."

    The format isn't stop in the name of the law/Lord either. Its, Lord, please build a hedge around us and protect us from the damage of Satan, fallen angels and demons. Let your influence reign in our lives and the lives of those we seek to influence for your kingdom.

    Remove the word "I" from all of it. Even in "The name of the Lord." Be smart. Don't revile angelic majestic, even in His name. Ask God to do it directly and be done. I, personally, do fear to go where Arc Angels, the most powerful angels of all, fear to tread. Ask God to do it and be done. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.

    If taking all I am, all I gave, all I love and care for brings you glory Lord, have at it. I live for you. Job... It's about Him being glorified. None of this is about me.


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