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Hello Dan,

Thank you for your comments.

Can a person decide to keep only a portion of the laws of his city or country? Can a person keep only a portion of the terms of his rental lease or of his work contract? In like manner, can a person keep only a portion of the contract (Mosaic Law) made between God and Israel. There were over 600 laws given. The 10 commandments are only the first 10 of those 600+ laws.

Notice what Israel said when the Mosaic Law (or Covenant) was inaugurated by blood at Exodus 24:3-8:

Exodus 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people ALL the words of the LORD, and ALL the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, ALL THE WORDS which the LORD hath said will we do."

James 2:10-11 "For whosoever shall keep the WHOLE LAW, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of ALL."

If a person keeps the 4th commandment but not the other commandments of the Old Covenant, he is breaking the law. That is why the apostle Paul, under inspiration, said the law had to be changed.

Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW."

Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to VANISH AWAY."

Replaced by the New Covenant (or Testament) by Jesus' shed blood.

Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the NEW TESTAMENT in my blood, which is shed for you."

I gladly obey those commandments of Jesus Christ ( John 14:15), of the New Testament, which were communicated by inspiration and revelation to the Apostles - from Acts to Revelation. See 2 Corinthians 12:7 and 2 Timothy 3:16.

I kindly welcome your further comments.

I bid you a good day.

Hello Vince,

Thank you for your response. Yes, we both agree that we must obey God's commandments and remain faithful until death to inherit the blessings. Where we don't, perhaps, see eye to eye is what are the commandments of God today.

Do you keep God's commandments by getting circumcised as per Leviticus 12:3?

Do you keep God's commandments and dwell in booths for seven days every year as per Leviticus 23:42?

Do you make fringes on the border of your garments as per God's commandment at Numbers 15:38?

Do you go up to Jerusalem three times a year as per God's commandment at Exodus 23:17?

If you answer no, it seems to me that you don't, after all, obey God's commandments. Jesus and the Apostle John did not say, "If you obey the 10 commandments", but rather, "If you obey the commandments" (all the commandments). The question arises, though, which commandments?

I would suggest the commandments of the New Covenant (or Testament) found in the portion of our Bibles called the New Testament.

As for Matthew 5:17-18, please note one important point - it says till all be fulfilled. The purpose of the law was fulfilled when Christ offered up his perfect life in sacrifice. Then, it was done away with. Notice:

Galatians 3:23-25 "But before faith came, we were kept under the law (a schoolmaster), shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore THE LAW WAS our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But AFTER that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (the law).

That's why Jesus also said at the parallel account of Matthew 5:17-18 found at Luke 16:16.

Luke 16:16 "The LAW and the prophets WERE UNTIL JOHN: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

Then, Jesus set up the New Covenant.

Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

I welcome your further thoughts.

Good day, Vince.

Hello Vince,

Thank you for your comments. I was wanting to respond specifically to your comment, "I guess they think Christ died on the cross so we can be Lawless."

No, I do not believe that Jesus died for me so that I could be lawless. I do want to obey God's Laws. However, what has God commanded me to do? Would you suggest that I be circumcised so as to keep God's Law recorded at Leviticus 12:3? Why would I do that when the Apostles decided in Acts 15 that I need not be circumcised in order to serve God.

So, what do I obey. As a Christian, I obey the instructions that the Apostles gave to the first-century Church in the epistles from Romans to Revelation. They never tell me to keep the Sabbath or be circumcised or keep the festivals of Israel. In fact, they tell me the opposite:

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Galatians 4:10 "Ye observe days (sabbaths), and months (lunar month), and times (festivals), and years (sabbatical). I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain."

I obey the New Testament made between God and the Church of God via the mediator Jesus Christ since I am a Christian. I do not obey the Old Testament made between God and ancient Israel via the mediator Moses. I am not an Israelite.

Please see Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:7-13.

Notice that the Bible is separated into 2 portions - the Old Testament and the New Testament. Jesus inaugurated the New Testament with his shed blood. See Luke 22:20. These are the laws that I obey - God's laws for Christians in the New Testament.

I kindly invite your comments.

Good day.

Hello Dan.

Thanks for your comments.

The 10 commandments were the first of over 600 commandments given to the nation of Israel. It was inaugurated by a ceremony where the law was read, blood sacrifices were offered, and the people of Israel agreed to obey the whole law. See Exodus 24:3-8. This clearly was a covenant or contract between Israel and God via the mediator Moses.

The New Covenant was inaugurated by the mediator Jesus Christ by his shed blood and is between God and the Church.

See Luke 22:20.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 tells us that God would make a New Covenant. You suggest that the expression "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts" is referring to the Mosaic laws given to the nation of Israel. However, that can't be correct, since verse 32 clearly says that the New Covenant would not be "according to the covenant I made with their fathers".

If you sign a new lease with your landlord, the old lease becomes obsolete. You can't have 2 leases in force at the same time. They would contradict each other. You can't also have 2 Covenants in force since they too would contradict one another. One says circumcise your children (Mosaic Law) and one says it is not necessary to circumcise your children (New Covenant - see Acts 15.) See Hebrews 8:13.

The Bible differentiates between the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ. The Law of Moses is the Old Covenant and the Law of Christ is the New Covenant - the Laws found in Romans to Revelation.

1 Corinthians 9:21 speaks about the law to Christ (the New Covenant laws of Romans to Revelation).

Galatians 6:2 also refers to the law of Christ. The law of Christ is different from the law of Moses.

God himself gave these new laws of the New Covenant to the Apostle Paul and the other Apostles to transmit to the Church in the epistles. These are the commandments that the Apostle John is referring to in 1 John 5:2, 3.

The Apostles never commanded the Church to obey the sabbath in all the epistles.

Hello Dan. Thank you for your comments.

A person cannot judge another man for not keeping the Sabbath in the Christian Church under the New Covenant. Under the Old Covenant, a person was required to judge such a person and stone them to death.

However, in the New Covenant given to the Christian Church, the Elders of a Church are indeed required to judge a man who is sinning such as by committing fornication.

At 1 Corinthians 5:1-13, there is a case of a man who is living in a state of sexual immorality. The Apostle Paul tells the Elders of that Church to judge and disfellowship that individual. Notice:

1 Corinthians 5: 12, 13 "For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."

That unrepentant, sinful person had to be judged and be thrown out of the Church. Yes, those who break the serious laws of the New Covenant, such as fornication - a serious sin - were judged and expelled.

However, no Christian could be judged for not keeping the Sabbath since the Sabbath was only given to Israel in the Old Covenant. The Apostle Paul and the other Apostles never commanded the Church to keep the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was that important, why would he not do so? Colossians 2:14-16 explains why. I invite you to read it.

As for Matthew 5:18, I would suggest you also read the other portion of that statement recorded at Luke 16:16:

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

The Old Covenant was until John. Then, Jesus at his death with his blood, instituted the New Covenant or New Testament - laws found in the books of Romans to Revelation to the Christian Church - the so-called New Testament.

I would also invite you to read Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Luke 22:20.

Christians are no longer under the Old Covenant Laws (the 10 commandments followed by approximately another 600 laws). Jeremiah prophesied:

Jeremiah 31:31, 32 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

You will notice that the New Covenant would NOT be like the Old Covenant. The New Covenant was inaugurated by the shed blood of Christ as per:

Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

Under this New Covenant, the Laws being stipulated namely in Romans to Revelation, we are never commanded to keep the Sabbath Day holy. In fact, we are commanded the opposite.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Before the Mosaic Law was given at the time of the exodus from Egypt, the Bible never says that the faithful kept the Sabbath Day - whether that be Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. Notice when the Sabbath was given and to whom:

Nehemiah 9:13, 14 "Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

Ezekiel 20:10-12 Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them...

The word "them" is referring to ancient Israel.

Hello S Spencer.

Thank you for your insightful comments. I enjoyed reading them. Quite accurate.

Many who quote Matthew 5:17-19 fail to notice an important point, namely, Jesus said, "till all be fulfilled".

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

The Mosaic Law was fulfilled in Jesus Christ once he died and was resurrected. His death put to death the Mosaic Law as recorded at:

Colossians 2:14-16: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."

Romans 7:6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Many who quote Matthew 5:17-19 often do not notice what Jesus said in the parallel account at:

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

There, Jesus said further that the law, that is, the Mosaic Law, was UNTIL John. After John, it would be the New Covenant that was inaugurated by Jesus' shed blood. (See Luke 22:20.)

Thus, 1 John 5:2, 3 and all other verses in the New Testament (Romans to Revelation), referring to God's commandments, does not refer to the 10 commandments nor the Mosaic Law commandments but only to the laws of the New Covenant (Romans to Revelation). In that New Testament Law, no instruction is ever made to keep the Sabbath Day or to circumcise all males, etc.

I share these thoughts with you and hope you enjoy them.

" Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

(Christians are not under the Old Covenant or Testament but under the New Covenant or Testament. The book of Malachi is under the Old Covenant or Testament.)

Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

(Jesus set up or inaugurated the New Covenant or Testament with his shed blood. The laws governing that New Covenant or New Testament and recorded in the letters written to the first-century Church. The Apostle Paul or any other Apostle, in all their letters, never instructed the first-century Church to tithe - not once.)

2 Corinthians 9:7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."

(The Apostle Paul sets the standard for giving under the New Covenant or Testament - "as he purposes in his heart" - in other words, whatever a person decides to give is his personal choice.)

1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

(The Apostle Paul says "as God has prospered him". He never mentions an obligatory tithe.)

Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

(Christians are not under the Old Covenant or Testament but under the New Covenant or Testament.)

Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

(Jesus set up or inaugurated the New Covenant or Testament with his shed blood.)

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

(The Apostle Paul, in all his letters, never instructed the first-century Church to keep the Sabbath - not once. In fact, he said that no man can judge another concerning the sabbath day, nor meat (food) or holydays such as the Day of Atonement in which sacrifices were commanded to be offered by God. Many of the laws of the Old Covenant or Testament are not kept by the first-century Church - such as circumcision, the Festival of Booths, the law requiring men to go up to Jerusalem three times a year, purification laws (washing) for when a person touches a dead body, etc.)

Why not all people come to salvation today

john 12:37-40 therefore they could not believe, because esaias (god's words on his tongue) saith .....

luke 22:67 art thou the christ? tell us. and he said (god's word's) unto them, if i tell you, ye will not believe.

these words came out of god's mouth and god said his words would not return unto him void.

isaiah 55:11

philippians 1:9 for unto you it is given in the behalf of christ, not only to believe on him ....

no one can believe unless god's causes them to believe.

john 6:29 .....this is the work of god, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent....

2 thessalonians 2:11 and for this cause (unbelief) god shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

2 timothy 2:13 if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

luke 3:13 ... exact no more than that which is appointed to you.

jeremiah 46:17 ....pharaoh king of egypt, is but a noise; he hath passed the time appointed.

psalms 102:20 to hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those appointed to death.

job 23 :14 for he performeth the thing that is appointed for me.....

1 peter 2:8 a stone of stumbling, a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient, whereunto they were also appointed.

there but by the grace of god, go i.

Monica, I don't believe we can imagine the true feelings of Jesus and what He was fixing to face, but the verses that stand out to me that shows the most human feelings of Jesus and what was on His mind, when Jesus was in the garden. He went to pray to the Father right before He was arrested. Jesus knew what He would soon endure, being arrested, spit on, beaten, nailed to a cross and to bear all the sins of this world. He even asked the Father if that cup could be removed.

Luke 22:41-46 (KJV) And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. 45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, 46 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

God bless, Ron

Adam, the doctrine or dogma of the Trinity, debated first at Nicaea AD 325. The trinity today basically is God exists as three persons but is one being, having a single divine nature. The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will. Let me know if this is incorrect.



Most Churches I have been to and believe me I have been to many they have said you have to believe in the trinity or you can not be a Christian. Most have a hard time even explaining it.

If the trinity determines being a Christian, does that also say you have no salvation without believing in the trinity?

Are there any scriptures in the Bible that say you have to believe in the trinity for salvation?

Can we believe God would be behind hundreds of thousands of early believers of Jesus to be killed for heresy because of this man-made doctrine?

If Jesus had the same will as the Father how do we explain this, Jesus just before he was arrested. Luke 22:41-42 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone's throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." It is very clear they had a different will but the Son was obedient to the Father. Throughout the new testament it was always His Fathers will not His.

Is the Son equal with the Father? Is the Holy Spirit equal to the Father? Why did the Son ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name if all three are equal?

It is said if we deny the trinity, we deny the divinity of Jesus. Can we as mortal man tell someone, what is not clearly said in scripture, you must believe something that was not taught by any of the Apostles or Jesus? We as one can only inspire others to study the Lord is the judge. I believe doctrines and traditions that places burdens, causes divisions, we need to flee.

In love, Ron

CHRIST IN YOU

Colossians 1:25-29 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is GIVEN TO ME FOR YOU, to fulfil the word of God;

(vs 26) Even the MYSTERY which hath been HID from the ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

(vs 27) To whom (the saints) God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY among the gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:

(vs 28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

(vs 29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his (CHRIST IN YOU) working, which (CHRIST IN YOU) worketh in me mightly.

Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my (CHRIST IN YOU) works unto the end, to him will I give him power over the nations:

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL (creation) thing shall be subdued unto him (CHRIST), then shall the SON also himself be subject to him (FATHER) that put All (creation) things under him, that God (CHRIST) may be ALL (CHRIST IN YOU) in ALL (CHRIST IN YOU).

Romans 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature (creation) waiteth for the MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD.

(vs 21) Because the creature (creation) itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Psalms 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgement, the thrones of the house of David.

Revelation 20:4 And I say thrones, and they that sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them.....

Luke 22:30 That you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and set on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY

Hey Stewart, Sorry for any confusion. If you study from Matthew 21-28, Mark 11-15 Luke 19-22 John12-13 This covers after Jesus rode into Jerusalem to when he was crucified. You can study and decide for yourself what day Jesus was crucified. Remember a Jewish day starts and ends at sundown. Here is a few verses may help. Read Luke 22:15-16 and John 18:28. One thought if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday the next day would be the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, that would be a holy day and they could have gone to the tomb on Friday.

The day Jesus was crucified is a discussion that should not cause division or confusion so, let the Spirit lead you and the scriptures interpret the scriptures for yourself, what we do is done unto the Lord.

God bless, Ron

Brothers Jesse and Bob, I believe you are wrong concerning this matter. Here's why.

1. Jesus supersedes anything from the Old Testament.

2. Jesus in Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. What else does Chapter 22 say concerning purchasing a sword? Luke 22:8 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. Who goes to war with 2 swords? No, the purpose of buying the swords was to fulfill Mark 14:47 = And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. And Luke 22:49-51 = When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. They needed the two swords to fulfill the other verses.

3. I'd also like to point out Matthew 26:52 = Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

The time is quickly coming where this is going to be a serious issue for Christians. You will be asked to decide between your faith and the death of your family. You must choose your faith. Jesus even said so - Matthew 10:37 =

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. This is where the road narrows and many Christians will fail because they are unprepared.

Revelation 13:10 ... he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword ...

Perhaps someone can tell me when Jesus advocated violence. Except for the money changers in the temple, you can't. You can't because it never happened. You see, Jesus was a pacifist.

peter's denial was not at all like the treachery of judas because when christ looked at him at the cock crow he quickly repented as shown by his look of remorse and received grace and this is proven also by christ's foreknowledge and his prayer for peter not to lose faith.

in response to america and biden comment i refer the readers to read the tanakh on is. chapter 18. thehebrews in new york in 1917 translated the hebrew in such a way we can see that america will not lose its blessing for america will bring a present to god which will be the jews at the time the earthly kingdom comes after the tribulation. the kjv says the same but harder to understand. somalia a sea faring nation sends ambassadors to america; the u.n. is at same latitude as somalia; america remains undefeated though largely destroyed. it is made up of tall and glossy people; people who are slick looking like a glossy magazine and is the only nation in the world of significant size divided by so many rivers.

Hi Paul,

I think it's misleading when we think of God as having a presence like us. In those verses you place Jesus sitting beside God and there you have the son sitting beside the Father. But I don't think that's what those verses is saying. Here's an example.

Psalms 16:8.I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Now do you vision God sitting down beside David ? are is David referring to him as the power in which he shall not be moved?

Here's another example of him being the power.

Luke 22:69. Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

The right hand/power is an attribute in which he performs within the God head. Here's some examples.

Exodus 15:6. Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

Isaiah 41:10. Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Romans 8:34. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isaiah 48:13. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

This is just a few of many verses in which you see

He makes intercession from his right hand.

He makes us righteousness from his right hand.

His power is his right hand.

He judges from the right hand.

And as Isaiah 48:13 says along with the volume of the book

He created the world with his right hand.

So those verses proves He's God!! That why in Revelation 1:8 he's called the Almighty!!

Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

What was the reference of the sword for a cloak and later said two swords were enough

"you won't see God with his son standing next to him".

Luke 22:69; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; Acts 7:56; Romans 8:34; 1 Peter 3:22; etc.

Hi Lou, I grew up protestant so I'm not too familiar with RC tradition of communion or if there is a difference, but for me as I'm walking up for communion (pre covid) I look at the cross and say a little prayer of thanks to Jesus and for his sacrifice on the cross for my salvation. The actual act of going up and accepting the bread and wine in communion, is merely a public acknowledgement that you believe (faith) in the salvation of the cross and all that it stands for. As in Luke chapter 22 Jesus states that as you eat the bread or drink the wine that you do this in remembrance of Him. I also think that you answered your own question in that by grace through faith and prayer, we do seek forgiveness with God the Father through Christ Jesus. Throughout the NT some of Jesus and his apostles main teachings are faith (believe), forgiveness, mercy, compassion and so on. I hope this helps.

Hebrews chapter 11 Paul explains faith, John 3:16,

Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

Hi Cris, here is my reply

Answer to your questions, back up with biblical proofs:

Colossians 1:16 - 17 16For by him (JESUS) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (JESUS), and for him (JESUS): 17And he (JESUS) is before all things, and by him (JESUS) all things consist.

1 John 1:3 Context 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:19 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69 68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 7:56 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 10:12 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Peter 3:22 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Perspective Helps Us Understand God

Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere;

So I think I understand you: that God was alone in Heaven in eternity & it was Him & the cherubim that were involved in the creative work. And then when it came time for Jesus' appearance, you said "God manifested as a man name Jesus in New Testament; God as the Holy Spirit in Resurrection - all of these titles only belongs to Jesus."

So to the first point & to my first response to you on this matter: how do you understand Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3 & following verses?

To your second point: if God is now manifested as Jesus, & I assume you say that there is presently no God in Heaven except Jesus Who now God, then what do you make of Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, & others. I'm confused.

I suppose the Trinity issue doesn't come up until these points are dealt with first. Thank you.

Verse 26-The one taking the lead is linked with serving or ministering. This shows that one taking the lead should be one who does work.

Just to be theological & maybe, a little pedantic, though we often read of Christ being in us ( Colossians 1:27), the reality is that Christ, as God Who is also Man, is presently seated at the right hand of the Father ( Luke 22:69, Colossians 3:1). So when it is said that Christ is in us, we actually mean that He is there by His Spirit ( Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16). While it's not wrong to say that Christ lives in us, the correct understanding of this is that Christ is there by His Spirit in all who have been born again by Him.

Luke 22:32

What did Jesus mean by saying "after you are converted"?

I have always thought, because Jesus "CHOSE" His disciples, they were already "saved".

Could it be that Jesus had not yet shed His blood whereby men can be "saved" through faith That His blood is salvation?

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Yes, dear Hugo, I was referring to our conversation on 'prophets'. Re: Ecclesiastes 6:11, I think you have the wrong reference; possibly Proverbs 10:19, though this too doesn't apply.

I realize that you're not denying the deity of Christ in one sense, but I would advise you that 'Trinitarians' likewise don't deny it either. A Trinitarian understanding of the Scriptures as you know, is that there is One God & that God has expressed Himself (& revealed to us) His Being. God shows us Himself also by His Word & His Spirit - you know the Scriptures that support this. Then at the appointed time ( Romans 5:6), God sent His Word ( John 1:14) to be clothed with flesh so that a full & permanent sacrifice could be made for sin unlike animal sacrifices.

After Christ's death, resurrection & ascension, He went to sit at the Father's right Hand ( Luke 22:69; Romans 8:34) where He "ever lives to make intercession for us" ( Hebrews 7:25; Romans 8:34). So we see the Father in Heaven, His Son (Word made flesh) at the Father's right Hand & His Spirit who indwells the believer ( John 14:17; Ephesians 1:13,14) & convicts men ( John 16:8). There is no such teaching from the Bible that Jesus only exists in Heaven & that the Father & Holy Spirit are now existing in Jesus. I know this is the teaching of the "Jesus Only" movement. The Father, the Son & the Spirit are still there & all three remain part of the Eternal Godhead (& yes, by all means, level your accusation at me), for the Bible is clear. If you have Scriptures to show that this is not the case, then I welcome your further input & my study.

Is it doctrine or or spiritual ignorance that causes preachers and teachers to speak as if Jesus dropped down from heaven as if to bypass the miraculous birth? Is a miracle birth not sufficient to establish the utter supremacy of God? Can a person gifted by the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel preach that Jesus is God without distinction though Jesus grew in stature and wisdom and God never had a beginning nor will have and end and Jesus, the Only Begotten said, as recorded in Luke 22:37, "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me HAVE AN END".?

Can great and wise theologians, as they are esteemed to be, utter such things as "...when God died on the cross for us..." and "when Jesus raised himself from the dead"? How can it be that they supposedly have studied the Scripture?

That's part of the problem. They speak what the Bible calls great swelling words saying things like the Bible is the infallible inerrant word of God. They dismiss the need to rightly divide the word. Two things were infallible and inerrant. The Ten Commandments and the Son of God. God filled Jesus who, being perfect except for the flesh, could be touched without being corrupted because He was filled with God. We normal humans must invite God. Jesus was filled with God at birth. As a man, He had to learn God through the Scripture. He grew in wisdom. He quoted the Scripture and challenged others to study. Though He had a mission to perform, He wasn't eager for it. He asked His Father if there might be another way but deferred to Gods will over His own. Just study and know. The OT is Scripture- it came by God speaking to the prophets of old. The NT is God speaking to us through Jesus. It is cannon. It's about the only name given UNDER heaven for salvation of the soul. All others have a horrendous destiny. Look in the Bible then look in the streets. It is Biblical and time is short.

Hi Chris, I'll try to clarify more as best as possible. Sin is the things you mention such as lying, stealing, murder. It also can be gossip and similar acts with evil intent. A very basic definition of sin is doing or not doing that which is against the will of God. Sin can be not doing what God says. Think of Jonah, God gave the order to witness to Nineveh, but he ran from the task.

Ex: An evil thought enters the mind. You decide what to do with it, to cast it out or harbor it in your heart. If you cast it out, it's over. Victory against temptation. If it goes into the heart to continue, there is where sin develops and one begins to act out on it. See 1 Co. 10:5 "Casting down imaginations" I can only resist temptation because of God's Spirit in my heart from sanctification. Ex. 2: Judas; things such as covetousness/love of money was a temptation, he harbored it in heart and acted by betrayal for 30 pcs silver. Luke 22:3 Satan entered Judas because he did not cast temptation out but rather dwelled on it and acted on it. We know the rest, he betrayed Jesus and later regretted it, then in despair hung himself. He was saved at one time, temptation took hold, he betrayed Jesus, and lost out.

James 1:12-15 "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation" Fact, all are tempted, but temptation does not become sin unless you let it linger in the heart. Temptation itself is not the sin but if it reaches the heart then it becomes sin.

Consider these too; Ep. 4:3-6 Only 1 God who teaches all the same, no confusion in 1; 1 Co. 14:33, 1 Co. 1:10 speak the same thing, not language but in belief.

I did not always know much about God. When I got saved, the Holy Spirit taught me truth and I then can read and understand the mysteries in the Bible. And to be clear, salvation and sanctification are 2 separate acts required to be fully saved from sin. Think OT tabernacle with 2 rooms, both with altars to apply blood sacrifice. Today Christ is the our sacrifice. If we believe and obey.

I was searching for Acts 7:56 but the verse was omitted from this result?

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1 Peter 3:22 - Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 2:33 - Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Hebrews 1:13 - But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Luke 22:69 - Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Hebrews 10:12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Timothy 2:1-15 - I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men; (Read More...)