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Revelations clearly states those who call themselves Jews are not why is this overlooked.

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Bro. Dan. I understand what you're saying & it is true that Jesus did not speak about the cancellation of the given Law because of His (future) death & resurrection. The Law given then, as it is now, "is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Rom 7:12.

The problem with properly arguing such an important matter is that all Scripture has to be considered in its proper manner & not a dependence on just a few portions. Had the matter ended with Jesus' Words in the Gospels, then we would indeed be content with that & both Jew & Gentile converts would maintain strict observance of the Law & somehow after Christ's death, still rigidly attend to both it & Christ's Sacrifice as equally necessary to be acceptable to God. Is this how you understand the Scripture? Do you make any differentiation between the purpose of the Law & the need of God's Grace through His Son? If we had only the O.T. & the Gospels to show us how to live properly under the Law, then that is how we would be judged; and by all accounts, we would fail.

Since you quote solely from the Gospels to present your position, considering them is necessary. As stated earlier, Jesus did not speak about the annulling of the Law in the future but He did direct his hearers to what was correct & appropriate for that time. The Jews, still under the Law, were not obeying it as God purposed; Jesus had to give them the proper meaning, viz, the condition of the heart, relationship to non-Jews, money, divorce, Sabbath, justice, etc. etc. Jesus only spoke clearly to His disciples of his eventual sacrificial death, that which they hardly believed & accepted ( Mt 16:20-22), how much less trying to get them to understand the matter we are discussing now (of the New Covenant resulting from His Sacrifice); though He did refer to it in the Upper Room ( Luke 22:20).

TO CHRIS:

All I could find on angels is: Matthew 4:11, Luke 22:43, Psalm 91:11

They ministered to Jesus after his encounter with Satan on Jesus's 40 day fast.

We can ask God if the angels can minister to someone in trouble. We cannot demand it.

The Lords Prayer is the way Jesus taught us to pray.

Spiritual warfare is different.

Hi Mike,

I'd like to share an alternate viewpoint if you are open to it.

Do you believe that Jesus often spoke parables? These stories and metaphors were a means for teaching and he explained why he used them: Luke 8:10

So, when Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood in John 6:53 did he literally mean to kill him and resort to cannibalism? I believe not, based on all his previous metaphors. Even his followers knew it was symbolic, but didn't quite understand the symbolism yet.

Jesus also said a few verses earlier in John 6:35 that he's the bread of life. Does that mean he's literally a loaf of bread walking and talking? It was a metaphor.

Jesus also explained the purpose of communion in Luke 22:19. Do it in remembrance of Him. If the goal was to literally eat and drink Jesus then you would think he would not have said this. It suggests the whole purpose of communion is to remember Jesus and His sacrifice for our sins and not that we're supposed to literally eat and drink him as food.

Also Jesus says John 14:6, John 10:9, Acts 4:12 that he's the only way for salvation. Not a man. So, I feel if a religion uses another man, like a Pope, in-between you and Jesus that you must go through then it is a false teaching inconsistent with scripture.

God bless!

Mathew 11:12

I believe it's Jesus, that suffers the violence

John 1

Luke 17:21-25

Luke 22:52-53, Luke 22:63-65, Luke 23:33

It was a Sabbath being Passover celebration. I heard it explained as a double Sabbath being Passover falling into a weekend.

Exodus 12:1-17

Mathew 26:2

Mark 14:1

Luke 22:1

Hope that helps.

Luke 22:26

Mark 10:43 -45

Genesis 9:4 Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Exodus 24:8 Moses took the blood and dashed it on the people, and said, 'See the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.'

Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations, in all your settlements: you must not eat any fat or any blood.

Leviticus 7:26 - 27 You must not eat any blood whatever, either of bird or of animal, in any of your settlements. Any one of you who eats any blood shall be cut off from your kin.

Leviticus 17:10 - 12 [ Eating Blood Prohibited ] If anyone of the house of Israel or of the aliens who reside among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut that person off from the people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel: No person among you shall eat blood, nor shall any alien who resides among you eat blood.

Leviticus 17:14 For the life of every creature-its blood is its life; therefore I have said to the people of Israel: You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.

Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:24 He said to them, 'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20 And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

John 6:54 - 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.

I think I might like this place. It will be nice to talk to Christians I don't know.

The Book of Revelation is often referred to as the Revelation of Saint John the Divine.

The title of the book can be found in Revelation 1:1

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John."

The words of God, given to Jesus, sent and signified by His angel to John.

Only talk about god

May god bless you all

Interesting point you make explains why through hurricane katrina the usa residents to get relief had to support israel even now with trump they have to sign they support israel for covid_19 payments and why trump made jerusalem the capitol of israel,so your point on israel makes some sense

I will surely check into that. I thought that Jesus was at a dinner with the Pharisees-in which Mary Magdalene rushed in to show gratitude by washing Jesus's feet in tears and anointing them with expensive ointment. Jesus was arrested the next evening. By dawn He was ordered to be whipped 40 lashes.

I'll write later on it.

There are more than a few born again believers that believe that it is much later than we tend to think in the Book of Revelation. The same believe that the virgins with oil in their lamps are ready for the Bridegroom when he comes.

Revelation 22:20

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly, Amen.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Revelation 3:11

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man may take your crown.

He used wine to represent the blood of Gods Lamb in the instituting of the New Covenant. After Jesus died on the Cross, the Veil (which is Huge) was torn from top to bottom, signifying that the death of the sacrifice, The Lamb of God; that God had provided, was completed. The New Covenant was in force. The Old Covenant had passed away: was torn in half.

The Blood of Jesus RATIFIES the Covenant.

You can slowly read the Covenant that God performed with Abraham in Genesis 15

This is the Covenant that gives Modern Day Israel, the Deed to the Land of Israel.

It's not recorded in a Courthouse. It is recorded in the Bible; and has been there for thousands of years.

It's a legal covenant and the entire planet knows this. That's why they plot and try to force Israel to sign it away: in the 2 State Solution. You should track the progress of that on JerusalemPost on the internet every day.

The whole world is come against Israel settling and building on land that God has clearly given them!! The Palestinians KNOW that land belongs to Israel. Peace in return for breaking Covenant with God. That's what Satan wants. He thinks he will have defeated God if he can make that happen.

Look how small Israel is. It's tiny. Ask yourself WHY is it necessary for the World to go after Israel for this land? It's a heavenly war! It's A COVENANT that GOD ratified HIMSELF.

Jesus paid IN FULL WITH HIS OWN BLOOD to secure ALL SOULS who would come to God for salvation: For GOD so loved the world: John 3:15-18

I'm going to say it cause no one else wants to: Joe Biden has said to news media, that he intends to push the 2 State Solution, or cut ties with Israel.

"Blessed is the Nation who Blesses Israel."

If he does that, then the USA is going to suffer even more than it is now. Then we'll have a bulls-eye drawn into our backs.

Everyone must hurry, change your mind now, Be Born Again NOW! Get your loved ones saved ASAP. Wake up. Quit listening to national news!!

The "Last Supper"

Wesley refers to the day Christ died as the day of Passover.

The day of the "Last Supper" was not the day of Passover, but the day BEFORE Passover, also called the "Preparation Day"

John 19:14

"And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

To understand the timeline, it must be understood that a Hebrew day begins at SUNSET.

You didn't respond to my specifi question all you did was send me the subsequent scriptures to Luke 22 vs 18. Please respond interms of yes or no. Was it wine or not that was in the cup in Luke 22 vs 18?

God bless

Teboho

The commentary:

Wesley's Notes for Luke 22:18

22:16 For I will not eat thereof any more - That is, it will be the last I shall eat with you before I die. The kingdom of God did not properly commence till his resurrection. Then was fulfilled what was typified by the passover.

22:17 And he took the cup - That cup which used to be brought at the beginning of the paschal solemnity, and said, Take this and divide it among yourselves; for I will not drink - As if he had said, Do not expect me to drink of it: I will drink no more before I die.

22:19 And he took bread - Namely, some time after, when supper was ended, wherein they had eaten the paschal lamb. This is my body - As he had just now celebrated the paschal supper, which was called the passover, so in like figurative language, he calls this bread his body. And this circumstance of itself was sufficient to prevent any mistake, as if this bread was his real body, any more than the paschal lamb was really the passover.

22:20 This cup is the New Testament - Here is an undeniable figure, whereby the cup is put for the wine in the cup. And this is called, The New Testament in Christ's blood, which could not possibly mean, that it was the New Testament itself, but only the seal of it, and the sign of that blood which was shed to confirm it.

Where is the commentary on Luke 22 vs 18.? What was the fruit of the wine. Actual wine or grape juice.?

Hi Judy,

That's admirable that you're so dedicated to seeking God. I have no doubt he will reward you (seek and ye shall find).

I'm not aware of anywhere in scripture where it says fasting will force a response out of God though. Where does this expectation come from? God is not obligated to give any verbal or auditory response to anyone. Keep in mind God didn't even answer Jesus's prayer himself! Luke 22:42. God mainly communicates through his Word which we already have and can use other people too. Our conscience (Holy Spirit) with guilt or peace can also help confirm our choices. Remember it says to not test God. Luke 4:12. So, I personally would not create a scenario where you believe you are forcing God to respond in some way or another. For example, not taking a sick baby to the hospital for care, but praying and trying to force your will on God to heal seems irresponsible and is testing God.

Also we are not promised an easy life. Paul had countless problems, so did Jesus. Just because we have problems does not mean we did something wrong or that there's sin in our life. We should still regularly confess and ask for forgiveness of our sins while we follow Jesus however, but not to feel unnecessary guilt from it. We're supposed to love ourselves. This gives us the capacity to show love to others.

This is my personal opinion. God has already blessed us with freewill and His truth in the Word in order to act using our best judgments. I think we should continue to pray for our concerns, but also not create an arbitrary test where we expect God to respond by a certain made-up deadline otherwise we draw assumptions. God doesn't play by our rules, we play by His. God bless you...

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The Bible says: that there is only "one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" ( 1 Timothy 2:5; "If we confess our sins (to whom?), he (Jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" ( 1 John 1:9).

The Eucharist bread & wine mystically changed to the actual Body & Blood of Christ so you partook of Christ each time at Mass. The wafer tasted like a wafer, but you were required to believe that a physical change in them took place because Jesus was being crucified afresh each time. The Bible says in Romans 6:9,10: "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth NO MORE; death hath NO MORE dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." The Eucharist (we call the Lord's Table) also has the bread & the wine but they are representative only of His broken Body & shed Blood for us at Calvary. If they were supposed to change into His actual Body, then His disciples should have rather eaten his flesh when they ate together in the Upper Room ( Luke 22:19,20). But they ate the bread & drank the wine instead, which were only emblems of His Body & Blood. So, the apostles & the Church (then & now) do not re-crucify Jesus each time but we remember His Death in this way as Jesus instructed.

I've only mentioned a few things that are important for you to know, but there is much more. The matter of not praying to Mary, the Mother of Jesus, or praying to the saints, or believing in purgatory, & many more RC teachings that are not in the Bible.

Yet, to answer your question: "how do I know if I'm saved?" Firstly, you need to know that Christ's salvation is only by having FAITH in what He did for you on the Cross: faith in His dying for your sins, taking your place; His Resurrection back to life showing that God accepted His Sacrifice; His Ascension back into Heaven & His intercessory work for you right now.

My thought is that because we have laws that allow us to protect ourselves from those that seek to do us harm as well as rob us of all the things needed to survive. Other wise we would be as sheep led to slaughter, taken advantage of at every turn by those that neither believe or have any regard for others but them selves. Of course I will bring up the death of 6 million people in WW 2. Could you stand by and watch your own families lives taken from you before your very eyes and you still live and not raise a hand to try to save them? I am not a war monger by any means, but I believe there is a time and place otherwise we could be speaking German or have Oriental overlords in our lives right now. One other thing I do not think Zondervans had made it to that neighborhood yet.

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Ruth, as Mishael has stated, you need to spend much time in God's Word allowing the Spirit to teach you & convince you about its Truths. A good Bible-believing Church is also very important so that you are fed the meat of the Word, which only can satisfy. You may have in the past switched over to attending the RC Church because of your friends; even in this matter one needs a solid stand, as compromise, even for friends' sake, means that you are dabbling with unbiblical matters.

To provide an adequate & meaningful defence to your RC friends about the Eucharist will be difficult as RCs are brought up rigidly in their faith, living with the fear that any departure from it or questioning its beliefs will mean rejection by God. So, if a religion preaches that the way of salvation & the way to God can only be through the Church, you know immediately there is grave error. So, for RCs, their salvation & their Christianity exists purely because of their connection to the Church; so attending Mass, Confession, partaking of the Eucharist, worship/prayer to Mary, self-effort to assist payment for sins, purgatory, etc. are all teachings foreign to the Bible & taught by RCs so as to keep a tight hold on them.

Luke 22:14-20 shows us what happened in the Upper Room at Passover time. In remembrance of Jesus' forthcoming death, He ate this Last Supper with them. As in the Jewish Passover, a meal was eaten in remembrance of when the LORD 'passed over' the children of Israel when He saw the Lamb's blood smeared on their doorposts but those that didn't have it there (i.e. the Egyptians) had all their firstborn killed ( Exodus 12). So Jesus & His disciples remembered that time of Israel's escape from God's Wrath & Egypt's bondage but also looked forward to the sacrificing of the Passover Lamb (i.e. Jesus on the Cross), when the blood shed would be applied to our hearts assuring us of God forgiving our sins & our acceptance by Him, thereby not condemning us to death & Hell.

Anthony, Good question. We are not to murder, we are allowed to protect our family. I mean really when someone breaks into the house to rape your daughter and murder the family are going to say GOD BLESS YOU?



Exodus 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

If a thief (you do not know why he is there, maybe to kill) is struck and killed you are guiltless.

Jesus in Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Why did Jesus tell his disciples to buy a sword? Not to murder, rather to protect themselves and family.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any PROVIDE provide NOT not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. (provide what? Food, shelter, clothing and PROTECTION)

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the NEW TESTAMENT in my BLOOD, which is shed for you.

Note: as it relates to SALVATION, verse 19-20 is the hour that arrived and JESUS is about to established a NEW TESTAMENT, thereby all who chose to or decide to can be saved, see John 3:16-21 and other verses also. Plus JESUS establish a MEMORIAL of for us to remember/ always remembering that day and hour JESUS shed HIS BLOOD for us to be SAVED.

Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

Revelation 1:14 - His (Jesus) HEAD and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as SNOW; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,

(Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN BROWN, not black) as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.



Who generally printed the Bibles and built all the churches?

Sub Sahara Africa? NO

Asia? NOT until recently

Europe and the USA = Yes

Many "black Hebrews" claim whites are the children of the devil via Esau and the Canaanites via the Hittites.

Some even advocate the killing of whites to fulfill the command of the Lord to kill the Canaanites

Genesis 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau..

Genesis 26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:

Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Luke 22:36 Then said he (Jesus) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Look into this I am not making this up.

Rei in Luke 22:36 Then said (Jesus) he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword, not to murder, but to protect themselves and family from the evil ones.

Capitol crimes like rape and murder in scripture were supposed to be punished with death by the Government, but today we have a gov that is filled with satanists from top to bottom that protect the criminals and jail the innocent and victims.

Homeowners to to prison for killing home invaders and this happens more often that most would believe.

When some of our states were founded their state constitution required those who held public office to be professing Christians and today we have antichrists in charge. One day the King shall come in flaming fire to make things right.

I think its a metaphor for Jesus's purpose or responsibility. Jesus had used this word in his prayer to God the father, like Luke 22:42.

Failure is due to the neglect of fineness, and success begins with the importance of small things