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The average low temperature in Bethlehem in December is 42 degrees F, certainly not too "cold" for woolly sheep to be out in the fields. Plus, historical Talmudic sources state that the sheep in Judaea "laid out in the summer and in the rainy season," ergo year round. And too, the summer is the dry season and there is no grass and many of the water holes dry up so shepherds move their flocks north into the cooler regions where rain and therefore grass and water is readily available. But in the fall the rain begin in Judaea and through the winter the fields are once more green with grass for the flocks to graze on. The only time flocks of sheep wouldn't be "in the fields" around Bethlehem would be in summer when there's no grass and little water. But then too we must consider that according to other historical documents the "temple flock" (those sheep destined for sacrifice in Jerusalem) were kept in the fields at Bethlehem, which means there would be sheep there year round to supply the sacrificial needs of the Temple in Jerusalem 5 miles away.

I would like to respond to Rickey's remark in Luke2 and Matthew 2 on wise men and shepard's. I think if you read God's word's carefully, that it is speaking of different groups of men.The wise men, we are not told how many,just three gifts, they saw him in a house. Matthew 2:11. The shepards saw him, Luke 2:16 in a manger and he is called babe, Matthew refers to Him as the young child. Something to think about.

regarding Afzal Iqbal's old post. The bible provides guidance on how to raise out children. sorry I don't have the passage but that is how the rest of your children should be raised.

mathews report that they were wise men.....but in luke 2verse 9 shephards ...the quiz question denies them being wise men but shephards ....i reckon that they were both wise shepards men....lol

A sense of love, well being and protection has hovered in the mist of my life from a young child when I First discovered Jesus Christ to the old age that he has brought me too. Thank you Lord Jesus Christ, for the love you giving me and for carrying my sins, of whom I am not deserving of your love or forgiveness. I love you and continue to seek your will for me.

Interesting that Jesus was now 12. Not alot of information between when he was born and now 12. Also shows his maturity between a small child and a young teeenager in the Holy Spirit. He knows who he is now and sets out to complete his mission.

The passage in my opinion simply means that Anna became a widow seven years after she was married and she remained faithful to the LORD thereafter.

Verse 4 is all awash with inconsistencies. First the city of David is Jerusalem and not Bethlehem. Secondly, Joseph and Mary did not go to Nazareth until after the birth of Jesus; to escape the wrath of Herod and thus fulfilling the prophecy that Jesus would be called a Nazarene.

Whether He was born on 25th or not , is not important, HE WAS BORN ON A PARTICULAR DAY TO SAVE ALL PEOPLE.HAPPY ARE THOSE THAT HAVE NOT SEEN YET BELIEVED.

The will of God allowed the taxation to take place so that the Lord Jesus would be born in Bethlehem in fulfillment of prophecy.

The birth of Jesus is unique from any other human birth,Marry had no physical relationship with Joseph yet she was conceived.She was conceived by the Holy Ghost.And this is miracle which God performed in order to bring the savior who would redeem the sinful man.

This verse shows that shepherds were in the field at night with their flocks when Jesus was born. Many people believe that December 25th was when Jesus was born, but during that time it would have been very cold. The shepherds would not have been outside, at night, with their sheep if it was wintery cold. This shows that Jesus was not born on December 25th and we are not sure exactly when he was born.

Notice besides parents the only people that knew about the birth are shepherds. Where was the mayor! Where were the religious leaders? The ruling body? You would think the brass would be there to see The King born. verse 18 says all that heard "wondered" just like today! People today still "wonder" about That Birth. God KNEW those would not believe. What a Savior we have in The Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke was writing to the Gentiles and signs of the babe, a firstborn,writing about his divinity in a cosmic sense and echoing Isaiah's prophecy he knew his audience needed to hear this aspect of his swaddling representing the one who came to redeem us not only as the Son of Man, but the manger that represent where the flock ate their food as He too, becomes our Bread of Life.

I am teaching a lesson on Zachariah in the temple and this verse came to mind. He would have done well to "kept these things in his heart and pondered them". We don't always have to "tell the whole world".

Not a comment on Luke, but a correction on the verse Luke 2:40 King James Version (1611). "Upon" was written with a "V" it was written as vpon. Is this correct with the translation or just an error?

Juan, don't be confused. Jesus had many titles in the Bible and they all applied! Here are a few more and where to find them.

Chief Cornerstone: ( Ephesians 2:20)
Firstborn over all creation: ( Colossians 1:15)
Holy One: ( Acts 3:14; Psalm 16:10)
Judge: ( Acts 10:42; 2 Timothy 4:8)
King of kings and Lord of lords: ( 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 19:16)
Light of the World: ( John 8:12
Prince of peace: ( Isaiah 9:6)
Son of God: ( Luke 1:35; John 1:49)
Son of man: ( John 5:27)
Word: ( John 1:1; 1 John 5:7-8)
Word of God: ( Revelation 19:12-13)
Word of Life: ( 1 John 1:1)
Alpha and Omega: ( Revelation 1:8; 22:13)
Emmanuel: ( Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:23)
I Am: ( John 8:58, with Exodus 3:14)
Lord of All: ( Acts 10:36)
True God: ( 1 John 5:20)
Author and Perfecter of our Faith: ( Hebrews 12:2)
Bread of Life: ( John 6:35; 6:48)
Bridegroom: ( Matthew 9:15)
Deliverer: ( Romans 11:26)
Good Shepherd: ( John 10:11,14)
High Priest: ( Hebrews 2:17)
Lamb of God: ( John 1:29)
Mediator: ( 1 Timothy 2:5)
Rock: ( 1 Corinthians 10:4)
Resurrection and Life: ( John 11:25)
Savior: ( Matthew 1:21; Luke 2:11)
True Vine: ( John 15:1)
Way, Truth, Life: ( John 14:6)

Hhmm.. D key 2outstanding perfeormance(intelligience) is to first settle down,know what you want and then make consistent right step via the help of the Holy spirit

Wendell,
I think that Jesus, parents lost sight of his mission in life due to the cares of life.That can happen to us too and JESUS warned us about it in the book of Mark.

Why is it that Mary and Joseph didn't understand Jesus when he told him that he was about his Father's. business? They had been told that he was the Son of the Most High.

we shuld serve him in holiness

Lord Jesús
Thank You for every answered prayer, ever parable I have understood, and every sin you carried on the cross. I love you.

my onlycomforter and shepherd.

GOD is good all the time, thank GOD for saving us through his son Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

I bless God a bout the life of Simeon who waited for the fulfillment of God's unfailing promise. He saw Christ and he was comforted. We shall all see the promise of God for our lives before we leave this world if we have faith in God.

This is a woman of strong faith.

@Brad Holland,
To study the differences between the King James Version 1611 (authorized version) and the other versions is something you should do with diligence ( Hebrews 11:6; 2 Timothy 2:15) and I believe you will conclude that the King James Version 1611 (authorized version) is the only inspired word of God as I have. As for the vulgate text it is from the Alexandria manuscripts (Egypt) Latin based that the catholic church uses for their version translated by origen and others that is proven to be corrupt by most honest and true bible translators. The King James Version 1611 (authorized version) is translated from the manuscripts of Antioch ( Acts 11:26) (Textus Receptus) where you will find that most honest and true translators conclude to be correct. As for the original text there are no original texts and when someone can produce them I might start altering my thinking on this subject. God is never to concern about the originals, see what god does with originals and how he preserves his word ( Exodus 32:19, Exodus 34:1; Psalms 12:6,7; Matthew 24:35; Peter 1:19) more original writings ( Jeremiah 30:1, Jeremiah 36:27, 28, 32). God has preserved his word in the King James Version 1611 (authorized version). When a person comes to conclusion that all versions are of God they have not studied the scriptures with diligence. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways ( James 1:8). There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end there of is the ways of death ( Proverbs 14:12; 2 Timothy 2:15).

The difference in the King James Version of Luke 2:14 to the Vulgate is worth studying. Wikipedia says it is based on inclusion or omission of a "genitive" vowel at the end of Greek versions of the verse. I have not yet found decisively strong evidence supporting one translation over the other or (alternatively) allowing for both interpretations as would be possible if the original text was not explicit in it's use of language. I would be happy for information explaining the King James interpretation or translation of this verse.

Every time I read Luke 2, my heart is filled with joy and peace settles over me, knowing that this child lives in my heart and is my Salvation. Then I read people trying to figure out what the lineage of the Christ was/is. And I just have to marvel at the ignorance expressed in these conjectures. What difference does it make and how is it any of our business? God sent his son to be born of Mary, a virgin. That should be enough for any believer.