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After the Rapture (Caught Up) the government will forbid Bibles. They will be confiscated. You need to Hide one that hasn't been altered.

Better yet: be ready to meet Jesus in the clouds of heaven. This world will be destroyed after all prophesies are fulfilled.

No one knows when the end is, not even Jesus, but we are given signs to watch out for. All I can say is the end is closer than it was yesterday and there is a great deception with people believing lies and spreading lies through the media, social media, and beyond.

Yes satan is still loose how do you think He tempted Jesus and were warned to suit up cause satan seeking whom he may devour- He is the god of this world who is blinding the minds of so many in 2 Corinthians chapter 4- The part when He is casted out happens in midst of the 7 year trib when the israelites are told to flee- When he will be casted out of Heaven for good when God intervenes for the Israelites in Luke 21 & zechariah 14 when satan gets mad at God and goes for us chritians Revelation 12 But we living in them end days where Jesus warned when the gospel been preached to all Nations then the end would come cause google is now adding links to chapters on this bible and removing scripts

The serpent and his seed know what time it is do you???

not about race, gender, crooked cops, guns, flags, what lives matter, statues, immigration, walls, pestilences, tolet paper, false prophets, christs, anti christs, aliens, earth quakes, tsunamis, land, peace, covenant, 666, walking dead, beheading, not even money, power or control, but the whole world souls ! revelation 6-22 & daniel 7-12

Matthew 7:15

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves". In the same way, false prophets are no different today. They often come in popular evangelical clothing. They went to prestigious seminaries, use orthodox lingo (like Gospel, Trinity, Kingdom living etc). And even appear godly. They often know scripture well, for even the devil quoted scripture when tempting Jesus Christ (Matthew chapter 4). However, their outward appearance does not match their inward one. They are ferocious wolves who will hurt the flock. ( Jeremiah 23:6).

When on the Lord, again I say wait on the LORD.....

Love

Hi Bob,

I believe the phrase: hate the sin, love the sinner applies to this. I don't believe it applies to satan himself, but to people.

We're all sinners, but yes, I consider a sin like mass murder greater than a sin of lying, so it's only natural to look at the person more severely, but I think we should instead deeply hate the sinful act, and deeply hate those choices/decisions, but not the underlying person. For example, Hitler's sin should be deeply hated, but God made him in his image just like you. So the part that God created is the part we should love, even though that part might be hard to see as it can be clouded and hidden by the evil the person is trying to do. Even the worst offenders have multiple chances to make themselves right with God and if they do we should accept them. What if you hated a mass murderer who became a Christian, would you still hate him as a person? If so, then you'd hate one of the greatest authors of the Bible and evangelists for Christ: Paul. God loves giving people many chances, that's the beauty of grace, and we need to give that same grace to others, otherwise, we will be judged for it: MATTHEW 7:1 - God bless!

Christians are to love all people? So are we to love satanists?

David a man after God's own heart said the following

Psalms 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

2 Chronicles 19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

Read that again why don't you.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Deut 23: 17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a SODOMITE of the sons of Israel.

18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a DOG, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these [are] abomination unto the LORD

Romans Chapter 1:

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Hello, yes, I believe the whole Bible applies. I've heard people claim that Jesus fulfilling the law is abolishing the law, that it no longer applies whatsoever. Jesus already said that is wrong in the exact same verse of Matthew 5:17. He said he was not abolishing the law. So, I believe Jesus over what random people say. Fulfilling the law was through his death to pay for our sins, so we have grace as long as we follow Jesus- this is an active pursuit though. But that doesn't mean the law is gone. Keep in mind that Israelites has more than just moral law, but civil law, and ceremonial law. We don't need to follow the Israelite specific laws, just moral law. For example, 'do not kill'. Are some claiming that it's now just fine to kill your neighbor because Jesus fulfilled the law? That would be a very difficult argument for one to make that it's totally good to kill, when the Bible clearly says the opposite.

Jesus already said what happens to people who are inactive, who do nothing, who blaspheme, who follow the world, who use grace as an excuse to sin as much as possible Matthew 7:21-23. Jesus says if you love him, then keep his commandments. John 14:15. If you don't keep them, you don't love him. If you don't love him and don't follow him, is it likely you'll be invited to spend eternity with him in heaven? Jesus warned his followers repeatedly through parables that most people will go to hell. It's interesting how some Christians are trying to claim sin is okay, that it doesn't matter and that it's wrong to say it's wrong. Satan is the great deceiver and even works within the community of believers to spread his lies. It's clear what Jesus already said, so I'm going to believe and follow him and his words, not the words of man.

James 2 and Romans 6 explain this.

Note that this is my belief through years of Bible study and prayer and you will have other Christians claim otherwise. I already know all their arguments and find them unbiblical. God bless...

People have tried before to set dates; but they end up looking like fools.

No one knows except God the Father. Not even Jesus knows.

Use this website to search the words: Caught Up.

We are given SIGNS of the TIMES when it will happen. Sometimes it seems everyone has a different opinion about it. Start studying in Matthew chapters 24 and 25.

thank you so much...I have one more question...what, when and where is the rapture?

Hi Ann, this is a predictable discussion. I know all the verses you shared and agree with them, because I believe in the Bible- all of it, not just cherry picked verses. Have you read the entire chapter context around these verses? Because it completes the thought and explains what exactly it means. I can pluck out things too that only share part of the picture, like 1 Timothy 2:15.

You said something before worth analyzing: "FAITH or WORKS??? It CAN'T BE BOTH!"

Why not? Who said it can't be both? It is both. The Bible already says it's both and even already predicted this exact believe and refused it. James 2:17 says faith without works is dead- do you believe that? If not, what is your explanation for not believing this part of the Bible?

Since you believe Paul, do you believe what he wrote in Romans 7? He talked about his deep struggle in trying to avoid sin and do good. Why would he struggle if doing good isn't necessary one bit? He called himself captive (prisoner) of sin. He was in deep torment to try to do good. If no good works was necessary why didn't he instead just party and live a life of sin and not worry about spreading the gospel, if he was already 'saved'? The Bible makes the answer clear.

James 2:19 - even demons believe in God and Jesus, including satan. So, if all that's needed to be saved and go to heaven is to believe does that mean satan will go to heaven? If not, why? Hitler attended church and might have been a Christian in his early years, so will we see him in heaven too, despite Romans 2:6?

Is it 'wrong' to do good works? If so, why does the Bible say in multiple places to do good? Matthew 7:16-23. Jesus says most people will go to hell and you'll know his followers by their fruit. If good isn't needed, then why would Jesus say this. Was he lying? It would be a very hard argument to make that living a fruitful life of good works is 'bad', because that's exactly what the Bible says to do and how you can recognize genuine Christians. Christians aren't saved by good works, though. That's a logical fallacy to assume that. Grace alone saves. If someone wants to follow Jesus, however, it requires action, doing things.

Reading the entire chapter context of the Bible clears up such misunderstandings. God bless you in your journey for the truth.

When Lucifer was kicked out of Heaven (pre-garden of Eden), he was on the earth in the darkness. He was here when creation began.

When Adam and Eve sinned, Lucifers name became Satan. He obtained the deed to the earth.

Evil was here until 2nd Adam, Jesus came to earth, became the Son of Man, and fulfilled his work as Messiah; the Son of God.

When Jesus was crucified, He fulfilled over 100 prophesies. One was Genesis 3:15, And I will put enmity between thee (Satan) and the woman and between thy seed and her seed, "IT" shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Jesus got the keys to hell to release the prisoners; and He took back the deed to the earth. Satan was stripped. But he's still here. At the 2nd Advent, there will be a war between Satan and Jesus. Satan will lose.

That's why we have an I WILL running around to and fro in the earth exercising evil against people. Gods children are hurt too, but we can pray for Divine intervention if our faith is strengthened and exercised.

Even in the Lords Prayer, we pray: deliver us from the evil. If you don't know what that prayer means, you are going to suffer hurts or worse. Get knowledge and fight!!

Satan is a loose evil will in our world. That's all he's got, but that's bad enough. That's why I tell people to pray and ask the Holy Spirit for the gift of Discerning Of Spirits. You'll be able to discern when evil is about or when angels are near.

Learn about spiritual warfare. Don't start seeing demons everywhere. Learn what their fruit is.

Look, I'm not going to tell about weird stuff that's happened to me. If you have weird stuff then you can ask me. My testimony is Heinz 57.

Be blessed because Jesus has overcome them!

Barbara: Prepare before witnessing. Pray to the Lord of the Harvest; to send people your way that are ready to hear & seeking God.

Ask them if they've ever told a lie; stolen something (like a pen or sticky notes from work)?

Ever wanted the house or a car of the neighbors?

Ten Commandments things. See if they will admit to being a liar or thief.

Then tell them if they've even broke one of those commandments, they are guilty of all 10.

Ask them if they believe Jesus is the Son of God. He was born through a virgin. He lived a sinless life. He was crucified for the sins of the whole world; That he rose back to life on the 3rd day; he was seen by 500 people after resurrection; that he returned To heaven to sit at Gods right hand and make intercession for all saints.

Yep. I expect you to look up those scriptures.

Study to show yourself approved. A workman that doesn't need to be ashamed.

If you're prayed up; studied up, you'll have more success. Jesus wants us to follow Him. That means being ready to share what you know & what you have believed.

Invite the newborns to attend at your Church. They need to tell someone that they got saved! And to receive the Holy Spirit by corporate prayer.

You will have much success; and receive a soul winners crown. :D

Never be discouraged. Ask God to rain on every seed you've planted. Pray lots & lots.

Why do people get mad at you when you tell them about Jesus.And hate to see them lost.

Victor, the law and the prophets mean the first five books of the Bible.

Praise the Lord!

Thank you brother Bob Hilt!

Greetings Victor, The Law when mentioned in the new testament generally refers to the first five books of the Bible attributed to Moses. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. This is where the ten commandments are found.

The prophets were the (major in size) writings of those like Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc.

The Minor (in size) prophets were those like Amos, Jonah, Micah, etc.

Someone asked Jesus what was the most important or great commandment.

Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

In other words if you keep the two commandments you keep them all.

Well that and believing that Jesus is Christ

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

what is "the law and the prophets"?

part 4:

1 Corinthians 10:13 - talks about temptation. If a Christian can't sin and is saved regardless then what is the reason to avoid temptation? Why would it matter?

If all the Christians were already saved then why would Paul wrote so many books to each of them to encourage them to stay the course, run the race, to avoid sin, and be obedient. Why? If they're already saved, what's the point?

You know that most of the New Testament books are written to Christians, right? 1 Corinthians is literally to the church of Corinth as said in 1:2. If they're all saved regardless, then why write a book, why spread the gospel, why why why?

Earlier it was mentioned that following God is like disrespecting the cross. No, it's the opposite. Not obeying Jesus is like slapping Him in the face and disregarding all he has done.

How can you tell who is a Christian? The Bible says by their fruit which is very similar to works. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

Maybe my opinion will give you something to consider or maybe not. I did spend a long time sharing all this to you specifically in brotherly love. I think God really absolutely hates sin, and sin is NOT allowed in heaven and most people will go to hell, including disobedient Christians as it warns against in Matthew 7:21. Most of Jesus's parables are warnings which include to Christians, most of the teachings are to Christians, this is a big deal and not something to be taken lightly. Many will be deceived and will choose not believe the Bible. God bless...

Part 2:

The second observation is your quote:

How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

Impossible, the Spirit could never allow for such an attitude or interpretation;

The first part is a scripture Romans 6:2, but your 2nd sentence is not in the Bible. It does not say that after Romans 6:2 and I don't believe a Christian sinning is impossible. Even Paul admits to sin and all Christians sin, so to claim Christians can't sin seems inconsistent with the Bible. Here are a few examples:

-Much of Jesus's teachings were to his existing followers, including many warnings to not go astray and to 'do things'. If all his Christian followers were already saved then why would Jesus ask them to keep doing things? Why change at all? Why even preach the gospel? Why have a Bible? Why try? I have never heard anyone who believes OSAS have a clear answer for this. If Christians don't need to avoid sin because they're saved regardless why would anything in the Bible even matter? It does matter, because the Bible clearly says obeying God is important. If you don't obey then you don't love Jesus and aren't following Jesus much.

-Most of Jesus's parables were about how most people will go to hell and how to avoid it. Jesus called people to put forth effort, to change, to take action. If taking action wasn't important or even related to salvation then why would Jesus keep saying it was like in Matthew 7:21? This verse would have to be reinterpreted, discredited, or thrown out to believe that obeying God is bad. Is God likely to say that obeying him is bad or is satan more likely to say that?

-Judas was a Christian and he betrayed Jesus and died a horrible death and likely went to hell.

-People are given freewill. We're not robots. The Bible already says all sin. Anyone claiming Christians can't sin is claiming we don't have freewill. Hebrews 10:26.

Wondering if any one payed attention to MATTHEW 7:26?

Hi Chris, just noticed your comment...

>If I seek to obey any of God's Laws, including the Sabbath, then I am judged by the Law & voluntarily exempt myself from salvation by Grace & not the Law.

Jesus disagrees with this in John 14:15. Jesus directly says if you love him you will keep his commandments (law). If you don't obey, then you don't love Jesus. If someone doesn't love or follow Jesus then they likely won't be invited to spend eternity with Him in heaven.

James 2 explains how grace and works work together. Its possible what you were trying to say is actually from James 2:10, but it doesn't say what you wrote. If you read on it clearly supports doing good works. No where in the Bible does it say we're NOT supposed to obey God or Jesus. It says the opposite throughout.

I watch out for anyone claiming good works are 'bad', as if following Jesus and his commands are bad. But somehow that not worrying about following Jesus's commands is 'ok' despite the exact words Jesus said that say the opposite. Ecclesiastes 12:13 Calling good bad sounds awfully familiar as if it comes a deceiver.

If you pursue Christ you are a Christian under grace, but following Him is an activity involving effort. It's not human effort that saves anyone, but it should be the natural fruit of loving Jesus. Many call themselves Christians and don't love Jesus, because they don't obey, and they will be surprised in the end just as Jesus predicted: Revelation 3:16 and Matthew 7:21 and Hebrews 10:26.

Kathy, Bendito has given you some great & pertinent Scriptures on life after death. I thought to just give you one more, that confirms further in MY heart of my instantaneous removal from this body & from this Earth at time of death. The Scripture is in 2 Corinthians 5:1-8. Paul speaks of his longing to put off this body of flesh (i.e. to die & "to be with Christ, which is far better") & be clothed with a new body. And Paul goes on to say, that he can confidently say that whilst he was here on Earth it meant that he wasn't physically with his Lord in Heaven; rather, he says, he was "willing to be absent in the body & present with the Lord". This means that when he dies, his body would be left behind, but his spirit would instantly return to the Lord (also Ecclesiastes 12:7). There is no suggestion of some delay from death to eternity; Paul strongly writes that the transition from earth to heaven (for the Christian), or from death to eternal life is instantaneous. This was his hope & longing and of course, the great desire of every child of God still alive now.

None of us on this side the grave can know exactly what awaits us, but the Bible does give some glimpses into the LORD's wonderful plan for us. I can suggest a few to consider. We know the body remains in the grave and eventually returns to the dust until resurrection day. 1 Corinthians 15 is a great study on the particulars of the resurrection. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of those that "sleep in Jesus" in order that we may be comforted. David said of his child in 2 Samuel 12:23, "I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.". Jesus, in John 11:25-26, tells us that by believing in him we will never die (spiritually that is). Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 indicates a state of consciousness on the part of the deceased. In John 14, Jesus says he's going to prepare a place for us in order to receive us there to be with him. In Revelation 6:9-11, there is an interesting portrayal of martyred souls under the altar in heaven. Jude tells of Enoch's prophecy regarding the Lord's return with ten thousands of his saints.

Hi Jesse, I appreciate your time in sharing your perspective. My interest is how someone justifies the once saved, always saved belief when so many scriptures do not appear to support that idea. I'm a Christian saved by grace and I believe Christianity is an active religion involving following Jesus, which requires pursuing Him, not standing still or running the opposite way. I also believe in freewill just like the Bible says and believe that Christians can commit blasphemy and there are examples of that happening today in addition to those in the Bible. I believe there's a dangerous trend where people are told in some churches that it's ok to not try, to not obey Jesus, to not care, that it's ok to sin as much as they want with no consequence.

For instance since Hitler attended mass while growing up and may have accepted Christ during that time before he became an atheist, and this OSAS teaching would say his later actions are all covered by grace according to this teaching. The Bible says most people will go to hell Matthew 7:13 and there's currently 2.5 billion claiming to be Christians and if they all made it in that would be a very wide gate. A % don't follow Jesus anymore and love committing sodomy, fornication, lust, drunkenness, murder, and variety of sins. Some do this because they believe a teaching that says they'll already go to heaven so their sins don't matter. So, I think souls will be lost due to the OSAS teaching which doesn't seem to be from God or supported by scripture. All other questions seem to be distractions from this important salvation issue. I believe exactly what Jesus says that many will be surprised they learn they won't go to heaven: Matthew 7:13. The audience Jesus spoke to was both non-Christian and Christian, but that specific verse was talking to people who believed they were a Christian follower and thought they would be saved. James 2 explains this.

Lauren: you have to believe without seeing. It's called Faith. In your heart you know there is something. Jesus lives. He's not dead. His life on earth was recorded. His death and resurrection was recorded.

Go on YouTube later and watch Christian salvation stories. See what other eyewitnesses say. Jesus says Blessed are they that believed without seeing. In faith say, God be merciful to me, a sinner. Jesus says. I stand at the door of your heart, knocking. If you open that door, He will come in.

Nicene Creed part 1 The Apostles creed (I believe) is not in the Bible. The Vatican wants us to believe they were responsible for it.

The Greek churches as well as Rome hammered out the Creeds. Rome was but one of many in attendance

I have had Baptists (I went to a Baptist Bible College) tell me this is heresy.

Yet I can defend every line from the King James Bible that I trust.

Here is is the NICENE CREED:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

[ 1 Corinthians 8:6, James 2:19, John 1:1-3]

Nicene Creed part 2

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

[ 1 Corinthians 5:4, John 1:14, John 3:16, John 1:1-3]

The Apostles creed (I believe) is not in the Bible. The Vatican wants us to believe they were responsible for it.

The Greek churches as well as Rome hammered out the Creeds.

Part 3 NICENE CREED:

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

[ John 15:26, John 16:13, John 14:26]

And I believe one holy catholic (catholic means universal, not Rome)

and apostolic Church.

[ Ephesians 4:5]

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[ Acts 19:4, Acts 22:16, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Mark 1:8, John 11:25, 1 Peter 1:3, Revelation 20:6]