Discuss Revelation 2 Page 6

  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Brother David:

    Revelation 2:17 ....and will give him a white stone, and in the stone, a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he which RECEIVED IT.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they (the ELECT). They have become Son's of God, to judge the earth.

    For WITHOUT are those raised back in the flesh to be judged.

    This judgement is happening on earth after the second resurrection (Could take a thousand years or more, this is hinted at in the prophets).

    Revelation 5:10 And hath made us unto our God kings and priest to REIGN ON EARTH.

    Revelation 2:26 An he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, will I GIVE POWER over the nations: (that are raised back to earthy flesh to be judged)

    Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule (JUDGE) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter they shall be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father ( Psalms 2:8-10).

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be (lake of) A FIRE, and the the house of Joseph A FLAME ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau as STUBBLE, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (Christ and his brothers the SON'S OF GOD) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the house of Esau, and the Kingdom (ON EARTH) shall be the LORD'S.

    Jeremiah 51:19-23

    Only the elect will have a glorified body at this time, all other will still have earthly bodies.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Sister GiGi.

    As we fellowship we come together to grow in all areas of the faith, At the moment we may not be able to agree on all things, But some day we will. But that doesn't mean we should yield to false doctrine or false teachers. In fact Revelation ch 2 and 3 we're being judged for suffering these false teachings to creep in.

    Revelation 2:20. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou "SUFFERETH" that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

    Revelation 2:14. But I have a few things against thee, BECAUSE THOU HAST THERE ( THEM ) that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

    Have you noticed The Lord is not condemning them for holding the doctrine of Balaam, He's condemning them for having those there that do!! And like so with jezebel.

    Have you noticed when we're liberal we get alone with everyone and they get alone with us. But when truth and the straight and narrow way is presented then there comes the train wreck! You will see hate without a cause!!

    Some blend in quite well, Some loose all self control and attack even the newcomers.

    A believer that has been spiritualy born should bare fruit!! And the Spirit should CAUSE those who are in Christ to Love one another. Not join themselves to everyone who comes on the site and attack the faith! Agape/ Love for the brothern is something the flesh cannot do, .

    Why is there so much fuss about doctrine but no fuss at all what sincere milk should cause you to do?

    1 John 4:21. And this commandment have we from him, THAT HE WHO LOVETH GOD LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.

    Have you noticed it doesn't say "SHOULD" Love his brother!! It's saying that Love given to Love God is "CAUSING" you to Love your brother also!!

    GOD BLESS.
  • Michael - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Shalam...I came on looking for additional info/commentary on the beast in this chapter, "being like unto a leopard", but your post made some interesting points. Based on all that's unfolding I see the jab as most definitely the motb. When you look into the ingredients of this poison we find them to be gene altering no longer leaving the person a Creation of The Most High...they are then transhuman if they have chosen that route unless their jab was actually a placebo not the poison. An mRNA operating system, aborted fetal tissue, graphine oxide, luciferase and "supposedly" a Hydra gmo-- all these are mixed-in and already creating other-than-human beings on the earth.

    As for the context in which "causeth" is used, I interpret it differently. First, we know we are unredeemable if we take the mark, and the believers and followers of The Way are written in the Book of Life, so surely The Most High would not force death upon those who are His or those with an option to be. Secondly, "causeth" doesn't necessarily mean "by force"; I see the cause as by deception. And when we look at it thru that lense, it lines up. This plandemic is built on a mountain of lies.

    In order to understand scripture we must first understand that Christianity is a product of the Roman Catholic Church and the RCC a product of the paganism of the Roman Empire and that Rome is Edom and is Edom is Esau. Romans 9:13 tells us, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    Lastly, we must know who the true Children of Israel are. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 both mention those who say they are Jews but are of the synagogue of Satan. Without this truth, we are not able to accurately interpret the scriptures. Interestingly enough, the very people who are downtrodden and seen as worthless are the "apple of his eye", aka, the so-called African-American and other so-called Black people scattered across the four corners of the earth by way of captivity. The rabbit hole goes leagues deep.
  • Perceptions are like Granite - In Reply - 3 years ago
    God is Love. Four times God is mentioned saying Hate:

    Revelation 2:6; 2:15

    Proverbs 6:16-19

    Romans 9:13

    In none of those did God say he hates the world.

    Hardly anyone bats an eyelash when someone tries to estimate how many unborn humans have been scraped out of their mothers wombs. I mean abort. Miscarriages are different.

    MILLIONS?

    In the Book of Job ch 1, we see it is SATAN that causes, chaos, killing storms, loss of almost everyone in his family. Then "friends" show up and show Job all his faults and failings (ACCUSER). God didn't blame Job. He abundantly replaced all Job lost, and healed him.

    PEOPLE start wars. Israel always asked God to bless their conflicts and wars; and they won. He blessed their faith.

    God is not involved in carnage on the earth so far.

    There is a day of judgement coming. Most people have an inner knowledge of that. God consciousness. ROMANS 1, says mankind is without excuse if they deny Gods existence.

    He gets blamed for all the bad stuff. Never mind bad choices, carelessness, failure to maintain safety measures, etc.

    God stands willing to forgive every human for sins if they will turn to Jesus as Savior and Lord.

    Casual Christians have no idea what they are missing out on. Jesus will give you his spirit through the Holy Spirits indwelling. Sitting on the throne of your heart. He speaks to your spirit. You hear his voice. He's not barking orders at us. He says I love you! I chose you to be my own treasured child.

    Watch a DVD, The Passion of the Christ. Does Jesus appear a mean dictator hanging on the Cross in shreds?

    All the wars in the Mideast: lost lives are because Ishmael's descendants wrecked their lands and consumed their wealth on short term happiness. God blessed Ishmael more. They're rich.

    But they COVET what God gave Israel. A tiny 9 mile wide strip of land. Look at all the blood spilt there!

    Matthew 24; Luke 21 Everyone has been WARNED, 2000+ years. Mishael
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Sister GiGI, you are correct, doctrines are TEACHINGS, that man accepts as TRUE, but are those teachings TRUE. Man has TEACHING that CONTRADICT GOD'S WORD, thus those TEACHINGS are not TRUE. ( Revelation 12:9)

    Man believes salvation is his choice and not God's choice, contradicting scriptures. Man TEACHES this.

    John 15:16 You have not chosen me but I have chosen you, and ordained you ..... Man does not TEACH this.

    1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that God sent the Son to be Saviour of the world. Man TEACHES the SON is going to fail saving the world because it's man's choice and not God's Choice. Man TEACHES this. ( Revelation 2:24)

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN (even those that don't believe in this AGE ( Romans 9:18-21), specially those that believe (in the AGE).

    1 Timothy 4:11 These things (saviour of all men) COMMAND AND TEACH. Many are called (to teach this) FEW are chosen.

    Man TEACHES that those who don't CHOOSE Christ are going to HELL. Man TEACHES this. These TEACHINGS contradict all the above scriptures. ( Revelation 12:9).

    Thy KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE.

    Psalms 22:27 ALL the ENDS of the WORLD shall remember and TURN unto the LORD: and ALL the kindreds of the nation shall WORSHIP before thee.

    Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that setteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

    Man not only does man NOT teach this, they don't BELIEVE this is TRUE. ( Revelation 12:9)

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him. then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be ALL IN ALL.

    Man does not TEACH this nor even believe it ( Revelation 12:9).
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Ruben,

    I do not know what you are going through, you did not give a lot of detail and that's ok, but may I just speak the plain truth. If you are truly being called back in the fold, the road back may not be short or easy. We cannot just say a prayer or two and everything will be hunky-dory again. Please do not compare what you are dealing with to Job, our words can come to be if you know what I mean.

    We must all work out our path of salvation, Ezekiel 18:20 Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

    Read Luke 15:11-32 Are you there yet? The word of God is our only defense against the principalities and powers of evil and believe me, they do not let go easily and they can be quite vicious. Spend every spare minute in His word and prayer, truly repenting, not holding on to anything, if it is any kind of obstacle let it go, even if you lose it all. Revelation 2:5

    We must truly admit and understand what we have done. Jeremiah 2:19 We must know it may take time and not at all be easy. Hosea 5:15 When we truly have repented without any doubt, He will return Jeremiah 3:22 2 Hosea 14:4

    Jonah was a great man of God, but he backslid from the will of God and went in his direction, not Gods. Look what God sent him to get his attention and change his direction. You can do it but do not get discouraged if things get worse and the temptations, not from God, but from the adversaries trying to hold you back. Turn adversity into strength, for what we lose in this life is nothing to what we will lose in the life to come. Mark 35:8 that's not just our physical life, it is the life we choose to live.

    My prayer is for you to have the strength you will need.

    RLW
  • Carleton - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    May I add, The Godhead though having three are the one, eternal God there is an order of government. The Father is the head and is greater than the Son.

    1 Corinthians 11:3

    John 14:28

    1 Corinthians 12:4-7

    Isaiah 9:6-7

    Luke 1:31-33

    Isaiah 40:9-11

    Jeremiah 23:5-6

    1 John 5:20

    Hebrews 1:2-3

    Revelation 2:23

    Hebrews 1:6-9

    Job 11:7-9

    Isaiah 40:12-14

    :)
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Hi Carl.

    Here's a day on our time clock.

    Genesis 1:5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

    ( AND THE EVENING AND THE MORNING WERE THE FIRST DAY.)

    24 hours to us.

    God bless.
  • Michael Monaghan - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Dear Carl, I have the exact question about ten days as you. I have worried over this part of v10. Thanks for asking. I wish I knew. Best, Mike.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 3 years ago
    Hopefully these are helpful.

    1 Corinthians 15:51-58

    Luke 16:22-26

    Hebrews 9:27

    Revelation 2:11

    Revelation 20:4-6

    Revelation 20:12-15

    Revelation 3:3-5

    Revelation 21:10-27

    1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Donna, the answer is given in Revelation 1:20 & these pertain to the seven Churches outlined in Revelation chapters 2 & 3.
  • Donna on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    What are the seven stars and seven golden candlesticks in Rev. 2:1?
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jeremiah 25:33

    Daniel 9:24-27

    Daniel 12

    Job 26:10

    Matthew 10:20-23

    Matthew 24:11-14

    1 Corinthians 1:8-9

    Revelation 2:25-27

    1 Peter 4:7

    1 Peter 1 whole chapter relevant

    Ephesians 3:19-21

    Hebrews 3:12-15

    Luke 21:8-10

    There are many more, I hope these help
  • Brother dan - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Brother Mishael,

    Amen. No monks here:) The WORD is amazing! Producing good works/good fruit! I agree our ACTIONS ARE NEEDED to produce the fruit!

    Revelation 2:23

    "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

    Matthew 6:20-21

    20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    God Bless.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Hopefully these scriptures are helpful

    2 Peter 3:8

    Psalms 90:4

    Daniel 9

    Ezekiel 4
  • Carl on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    5 Oct 2021

    In reference to verse 10, actually how long is ten days?

    Literal or does each day represent months or years?
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on 2 Chronicles 16 - 3 years ago
    Amen BSP, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    You are correct; when God purposes something, it's good as done.

    1 Timothy 2:4 Who WILL HAVE (God's WILL; will be done)( Matthew 6:10) ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and come to the KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH.

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour (in the WORKS OF GOD; not our work)( Colossians 1:29) and suffer reproach, because we trust ( Ezekiel 36:27) in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those who believe ( Philippians 1:29)

    1 Timothy 4:11 There things COMMAND and TEACH.

    God IS NOT searching for those who want to SERVE HIM; because if it were up to flesh, NO ONE would serve him. He has already CHOSEN US ( Ephesians 1:11); he is BRINGING US TO THAT TRUTH ( Ezekiel 36:27).

    Flesh WILL NOT serve GOD; it is enmity to SPIRIT ( Romans 8:7) .

    God has CHOSEN (through casting the die; if you will)( Ezekiel 20:37) a select FEW to be KINGS and PRIEST ( Revelation 5:10) with HIM in his kingdom.

    Those, CHOSEN TO BECOME the IMAGE of GOD ( Romans 8:29)( Ephesians 4:24), will become judges with Christ' at the resurrection of the dead, back to their flesh ( 1 Corinthians 6:2)( Revelation 2:26-27). They (the dead) will be THEN brought to TRUTH.

    Isaiah 29:9 For when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    None of this is a reproof to you, my brother in Christ, I am just ADDING to your comments.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} GRACE Through faith - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Precious friend, I apologize if I was 'vague' about "GRACE Through faith" 'alone.' This ONLY refers to the 'past tense' Of God's ETERNAL Salvation! Hope this 'clears up' any Misunderstanding:

    God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply, To "know you're going to heaven":

    (1) God 'Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship' With those who humbly:

    believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The Scriptures! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:8-9) ( Romans 3-5)

    "GRACE Through faith" 'Alone,' In The Merits Of HIS Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

    All sins Forgiven, HIS Eternal Life, And, Peace With God! {This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PENALTY of sin!} ETERNAL 'Justification' First, And, THEN:

    (2) The believer SHOULD do "good works" {Which will NEVER EQUAL CHRIST's PAYMENT For the above PENALTY of sin!}, for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for HIM, ( Ephesians 2:10), having "been Called into fellowship With HIM!" ( 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

    We "work out 'OUR OWN' salvation" {This SHOULD Be a lifetime of DELIVERANCE From the POWER of sin!} This is OUR 'Personal' sanctification, and Must not be confused with the above "Justification Which ONLY God Can 'Perform!'" Notice the JUDGMENT DAY, Showing

    These DIFFERENCES! ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15):

    1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: {'personal' sanctification}...

    ...but he himself Shall Be SAVED {God's JUSTIFICATION}; yet so as by fire.

    Yes, 'fooling ourselves' is By "Mixing these TWO" Up saying they are both FOR ETERNAL Life, thus NULLIFYING "The ALL-Sufficient BLOOD" Of The Saviour, JESUS CHRIST! Amen?

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =

    Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
  • Brother dan on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

    I hope all are healthy. I am interested in serving others and doing God's will on this blessed Sabbath Day!



    So I will continue to address the current popular christian belief of Faith/Grace and Nothing else. I will share some scripture below that affirms that Jesus will judge us according to our works.

    Revelation 2:23

    "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

    Revelation 22:12

    "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

    James 2:19-24

    19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

    God gives us the choice to believe and accept this scripture and act on it, or ignore it. It is our choice. It's might be easy to fool ourselves, but we can't fool God!

    God Bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Hi Sheila.

    Good observation. Dan and Ephraim is omitted from witnessing in Revelation, However Dan goes into the Millennium kingdom, And so does Ephraim.

    I believe they lost their Witness but not Brotherhood for lack of better terms.

    Appearance in the Millennium-

    Ezekiel 47:22. And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

    Ezekiel 47:23. And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

    Ezekiel 48:1-2. Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazar-enan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for DAN.

    And by the border of DAN, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Asher.

    Ezekiel 48:5. And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.

    God bless.
  • Sheila Davis - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Genesis 49:16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that bite is the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backwards.

    Those were the words of Jacob to Dan concerning The Last Days _ Genesis 49:1and Jacob called unto his sons, and said, gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.



    Isn't it possible and most likely that it is through the tribe of Dan that the Antichrist of the Beast shall arise from?

    What Jacob said to Dan is almost the same exact words God said to the serpent in Eden after the fall of Adam - plus directly calling him a serpent.

    The Tribe of Dan was lost in idolatry and was rebellious, if my understanding is correct, refuse the land God allotted him, wiped out a people and took their land.

    If my belief is correct, all the original 12 Tribes of Israel will be present in the last day - one in the fallen state.
  • TRIBES OF ISRAEL - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    John the Apostle omits the tribe of Dan when mentioning the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel, in regard to the 144,000 sealed Israelites. Instead of Dan, the tribe of Joseph appears twice (being also represented by Manasseh).

    Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun-all sons or grandsons of Jacob.

    The Book of Joshua records that the tribes of Reuben, Gad and half of Manasseh were allocated land by Moses on the eastern side of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea ( Joshua 13:15-23). ... By 900 BC, some of the territory and Reuben and Gad had been captured by the Moabite kingdom.

    The Levites do not get an inheritance of land; rather, they are scattered among the other tribes through the allocation of cities among the other tribes.

    You're going to have to google reputable websites; even Jewish ones.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Hi Carol.

    Ephraim and Dan may have been omitted in Revelation 7 is because they was the first to go into Idolatry and they Lost their Witness.

    Deuteronomy 29:18. Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or (TRIBE,) whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

    Judges 18:30. And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

    However just speculation.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Carol Bartow,

    You are welcome. As for why Dan is not listed as one of the 12 tribes, I don't know the answer to that. I'm not even sure the Bible tells us why. I did read something about it somewhere but I can't remember where or what it even said. Hopefully someone here can shed some light on the reason for the omission. That is a great question. You have me wondering myself!
  • Carol Bartow - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Jesse, thank you so much for answering my question. It is something I have wondered for a long time and could not find anyone I knew that could answer it. It appears several times in Revelation and I can now read it with more understanding.

    Also, do you know why the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000? It names all the other tribes including the 2 tribes of Joseph, but not Dan. In reading the Old Testament, I see many reasons why Ephraim could have been omitted, but have not found why Dan. Ephraim is not specifically named but is referred to as 'of the tribe of Joseph'.

    As to the Carla Bartow to whom you refer, I don't know of any. My Dad was the youngest of 13 children and was 20 some years younger than the oldest. Several had large families, most of which were in the western Nebraska area. We moved to Missouri when I was 2 and because in the 40's and 50's money was short, we did not visit them. There were also members of my grandfather's family in Pennsylvania and Oklahoma, but we never met them.

    Again, thank you very much for your help.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Carol,

    The word Nicolaitan is actually made up of two Greek words. The first word is pronounced "Nee-kay" which is the Greek word that means to overcome. It is actually spelled like the sneaker with the swoosh mark on it. I can't spell it out because this site will reject it as advertisement. The second Greek word is LAOS which means the people.

    So the word Nicolaitan represented the democratic control of the people in the church, where the leaders ruled and lorded it over the flock. And the Lord says He hates that. Jesus Christ is still the head over the church, not the church leaders, or so called Nicolaitans. God speaks to His people in the church and in the congregations, and those in ministry positions need to be sensitive and humbled to that fact.

    In the church, we are all equal. No one should lord and rule over us because Christ is our Lord. If God wanted me to be a leader, it would not be because I am more special than any other believer. He might call me to that particular function, but that doesn't mean that once I start functioning in that area, that I know the Lord better than anyone else.

    Many churches over the years have fallen because the leaders took human control over the church, and these leaders themselves were not governed by God's Spirit. So church leaders are not there to rule and lord over God's people. The human democracy over God's people, God says He hates! That's who the Nicolaitans are!

    If I may ask, I have a friend Carla Bartow (Patterson) who has a sister named Carol Bartow. Would that be you?
  • Carol Bartow on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Who or what were the Nicolaitans?
  • Herbert Taylor - In Reply on Deuteronomy 28 - 3 years ago
    Adam,

    I concur with what you have said, except the black man's plight does matter and is worth seeking discovery.

    We're split concerning the real Jews of Judah, who wandered and lost their identity, and the false Jews of Khazaria. The Khazar's are Ashkenazi Jews of Japheth ( Genesis 10:2-3), from a 740 AD mass conversion. They are not Semitic, and they live in the tents of Shem. They are European, not of middle-eastern origin. They are WHITE, not olive, and have blond hair and blue eyes!!! The Jerusalem post had a huge write up on it years ago verifying their DNA as European. The current supplanters of Israel are in fact Khazars. Jesus called them the synagogue of satan, ( Revelation 2:9) and they behave just like their wicked partner, America.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Genesis 16 - 3 years ago
    Dgjot, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS understanding and HIS wisdom.

    The MORE these verses become TRUTH to you, the more understanding you will receive from God's word.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (SPIRIT) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL (Spirit causes his will to be your will) and do HIS good pleasure.

    Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in Christ) we ALSO have obtained an INHERITANCE (to become Son's of God; exactly like Christ the FIRSTBORN, I am the first (Son) and the last (Son), being predesinated according to the PURPOSE of HIM (Spirit) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the COUNCEL OF HIS WILL.

    We are the POT; HE (Spirit) (Life) (Truth) is causing you (all mankind) TO WILL and TO DO what has been purposed; to create you exactly like the SEED (THE WORD) that was PLANTED IN YOU.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature (all creation) WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of God.

    Romans 8:21 For the creature (all creation) ITSELF shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption unto the LIBERTY of the Sons of God.

    Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this world), and keepeth MY WORKS (we are the pot, he is the potter) until the end, to him (the overcomer) will I give POWER over the nations.

    Revelation 2:27 And he (the overcomer) shall rule the nations (because you are exactly like Christ, able to judge in righteousness) with a rod of iron; as vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. ( Psalms 2:8-9)

    Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy JUDGES as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning, afterwards (after the world is judged) thou shalt be called, The city or righteousness, the faithful city.

    Isaiah 26:9 ...when thy JUDGEMENTS (resurrection to judgement) are in the earth, the world will LEARN righteousness.

    Proverbs 16:5 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is PURGED ....


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