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Hi louie If you confess with your heart innermost part of your being it is not mental accent its not like going to get a glass of water its more like digging the well to get to the water needed and you can't live anymore if you don't do this and really believe then you confess Romans 10:9+10 and then as you reach out the father works within and trust me you will know because he will make it known to you.

Hello Bill,

Here is what I believe about immediate salvation. I believe that salvation takes place the moment that the Spirit of Christ enters into our spirit. Without His Spirit, there is no salvation. Romans 10:13 says that all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. I believe that to be a promise that if we call upon Him to have mercy on us that He will at some point save us. I can't say it is immediate because only the Lord knows our hearts. But the promise that He will is still there. It's as it is a guarantee.

We are also told in Romans 8:9 that if we do not have the Spirit of God in us, we do not belong to Him. In other words, without His Spirit in us, there is no salvation that took place. So as far as when salvation takes place, I believe it is when His Spirit enters into our spirit. That's is when I believe that salvation takes place.

What I mean by saying for some it is immediate, and for others it could take a while, and it is something that you yourself touched on when you said if it is sincere and spiritually made it is immediate. I completely agree with you on that, amen! I can say that that was the case for me. I said a so called "sinners prayer" years before I actually received Christ. It wasn't sincere. I did it in front of my mother and her evangelist friend in order to please my mother, not because I wanted to surrender to Christ. There was no immediate salvation there at that time for me, even though I called upon the name of the Lord. He had to prepare my heart and it took years before I was ready to receive Him and make Him the Lord of my life.

I have a little more to say but am running out of space here. I am going to try and finish this up in a second post. I just wanted to clarify what I was saying. I don't see you as being argumentative at all. I'll send more as a (Part 2).

Dgjot,

Something that sort of stood out to me was where you said that "You just had to take God/Jesus at their word." What I am understanding is that you were expecting some sort of grand experience after calling upon the Lord to save you, and when that didn't happen, you decided to just trust that the Lord would do what He said He would. That's about all we can do is take Him at His word and trust in His promises.

I received Christ almost 25 years ago. There was nothing spectacular as far as experience goes. But like you say, I had to take the Lord at His word. Romans 10:13 says that all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, not might be, but will be.

But with that, let me share this with you. It doesn't say that this salvation is immediate. But the promise is still there. Some get saved immediately, and for others it could take a while. You see, the Lord knows our heart. He knows if and when we are ready to completely surrender our life to Him. He prepares our heart until we are ready to turn from our ways and make Him the Lord of our life.

As far as the incident you have been agonizing over for 48 years, the only advice I can offer you is to let it go. 1 John 1:9 says, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If you've asked the Lord for forgiveness, you need to trust that He has forgiven you. He is a faithful and just Lord.

And you are very welcome for what I shared with you on Hebrews 10:26. God Bless!!!

Dgjot,

I would like to share a couple of things with you. You mention getting saved so I have to assume that you have surrendered your life to Christ and been born of His Spirit. If so, you belong to Him. Just as Paul professed himself to be a slave to Jesus Christ, we also are a slaves to Christ if indeed we belong to Him.

The section you mention in Hebrews Chapter 10 is not talking about a saved person losing their salvation. Those who don't believe in the eternal security of the believer will use Hebrews 10:26 to show that a person can lose their salvation. That's not what it's talking about. It's talking about those Jews who were following along with the teachings, "receiving the knowledge of the truth," but instead of surrendering their lives to Christ, they were turning away and going back into Judaism.

Those Jews had a very tough decision to make, either denounce Judaism and surrender to Christ, or turn back because it would be much easier for them to do so. If they received Christ as their Savior, their family would disown them, they would lose their jobs, and they would be kicked out of their own temple. That was their dilemma.

So Hebrews 10:26 is speaking of those Jews who were considering turning back. So the writer is basically telling them that Jesus Christ is the final sacrifice for your sin. If you want to turn away from this gospel message and go back into your system of Judaism, your system of sacrificing for sin, there remains no other sacrifice.

As far as where you stand, only you know where you stand with Christ. Only you know if you've fully surrendered your life to Him. If you have, your salvation is firm and complete in Christ Jesus. He is the final sacrifice for your sin. He purchased you with His precious blood. It is by His power alone that you are being kept until the day He comes to redeem His purchased possession (You and I). My friend, you have to trust in His promise ( Romans 10:13, John 6:39, 1 Peter 3:5).

Hello Joyjay. No human being, however wicked they may be, can be considered a demon. Demons are spirit beings sent out by Satan, the prince of devils. Those demons can certainly afflict or indwell a person who gives themselves over to them through various means, but every person remains fully human & fully in need to be saved through Jesus Christ.

You haven't shared about your forefathers or how you may be considering them as demons, so I can't give anymore specifics. Your forefathers will always be related to you no matter how they have lived their lives. You are responsible for your own life & if you have family members, also to care for them, nurture them & lead them to live carefully & responsibly. I don't know your culture, but I would think that a person in any culture will never deny his heritage & his responsibilities to his fellow-man.

As far as loving your forefathers, that depends on a person's inclination; some pay no heed to any one other than those about them - others, will go to great lengths to prepare (endless) genealogies & retrieve historical records/photos, so as to keep their memories alive. So be free to give love, respect or consideration to your forefathers, if you deem them worthy, but if their lives have been filled with evil, then we can learn to stay far away from their errors, & turn to the One Who promises us forgiveness of our sins, a new abundant life on Earth, & a sure hope of an eternity with Him. And of course, His Name is Jesus Christ, Who came as the Saviour for all men, no matter their religion, country of birth, or their deeds. Jesus gave His Life for you & me, so that we wouldn't have to suffer eternity without God & in everlasting punishment. John 3:16-19; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:23; Romans 10:9, all giving us assurance that when we come to God through His Son, He will forgive & He will accept. Your forefathers may have not heard this Good News - today no one has any excuse. May you receive God's comfort.

2 Chronicles 7:14

Romans 10:15

My heart is & has been sad for Africa. GOD Almighty knows, HE is just

Jeremiah 22:13

Hopefully these are somewhat helpful

Verse 10-we must make known publicly the faith that is within us.

As ChrisE has stated, that God, by His Spirit, wins souls, i.e. enlightens the lost to their severity of their sins, makes the Gospel which they receive from us their healing balm, & brings about contrition of their sins & appealing to the Lord Jesus Who died for them.

Romans 10:13 -15: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"

For the bearing & sharing of this Good, soul-saving News, God has given His children this responsibility. All we have to do is to share with conviction & love for the lost - the Spirit does the rest of the work. But when you ask of the "most effective way", then the matter of contextualizing comes in, i.e. when the Gospel is shared, it is done in terms of who is being reached, his culture, the situation he is in, & his understanding of biblical Truth. My ministry in the past was mainly to Muslims in Pakistan & some in the U.K. I wouldn't use the same approaches or Scriptures I use for them as I would to someone in a Western culture, who is probably not religiously-inclined & has a different world-view or different issues in life. So, we need to know about the people group, or the person (if you're referring to witnessing on a one-on-one basis in your country/neighbourhood).

So, are you thinking of open-air street preaching, a personal one-on-one meeting, or even going over to a foreign land (on God's call)? Depending on your direction, you will need to adapt to the situation & the people. Most Christian workers going to a foreign land usually spend a number of years learning the language & culture & developing a rapport with the people. Only then will hearts begin to open.

The elect,.. are not automatically saved ,.. they are the ones , that help make the evil ones Jesus' footstool, an they have a job to do ,.. an are the only ones able to commit the unpardonable sin ,..

peace

Brother Leonard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

John 15:16 You have not chosen me, but I HAVE CHOSEN YOU, and ordained you ...

Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not ONLY TO BELIEVE on him, but also to suffer (in the flesh) for his (name) sake.

Ephesians 2:10 For we (the pot) are his (the potter's) workmanship, CREATED in Christ JESUS....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (SPIRIT) that WORKETH IN US both TO WILL (his will becomes our will, only truth reveals this; otherwise, we incorrectly believe it is OUR FREE WILL) and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also have obtained an INHERITANCE, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the council of HIS WILL.

Psalms 92:4 For thou, LORD, has made me glad through THY WORK: I will triumph in the WORKS of THY HANDS.

Psalms 92:5 O LORD, how great are THY WORKS! and thy thoughts are very deep.

Psalms 92:6 A brutish man (beast) knoweth not; neither doth a FOOL understand this.

We are ONLY the pot, pots are made to HOLD something. We were made to hold GOD (SPIRIT).

The SPIRIT does ALL THE WORK.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery.... CHRIST IN US (the pot) .....

Brother adam, may christ in is grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

romans 9:18 therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

romans 9:19 thou wilt say unto me, why doth he yet find fault (say we sin)? for who hath resisted his will?

no one has resisted his will; therefore, no one has free will.

philippians 2:13 for it is god (spirit) that worketh in you both to will (his will not your free will) and to do his good pleasure.

ephesians 1:11 in whom we also have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him, who worketh all things after the council of his will.

the father is at present calling out; only, the chosen (by his will; those to be priest and judges in the kingdom of god).

obadiah 1:21 and saviours (the elect) shall come upon mount zion to judge the mount of esau (at the resurrection of the dead), and the the kingdom shall be the lord's.

romans 8:19 for the earnest expectation of creation waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of god (the seed of christ, the elect, the chosen, the judges, the saviours).

romans 8:21 for the creature (creation) itself also shall be delivered (through judgement) from the bondage of corruption (flesh) into the liberty of the sons of god.

isaiah 26:9 ......for when thy judgements (at the resurrection of the dead) are in the earth the world will learn righteousness.

proverbs 16:6 by mercy and truth iniquity is purged ......

romans 11:31 even so have these (the vessels of dishonour that god hardened) also not believed, that through your mercy (at the judgement of the dead) they also obtain mercy.

god has a plan for all creation, god's will, will be done.

Hello Leonard. What you've shared & what that Baptist Church has declared, I believe is dependent on whose viewpoint is considered; that of God or of man. That is, both that Baptist Church & Adam's comments are correct.

If you consider 1 Peter 1:2, "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ", we can clearly see that the Elect (i.e. God's chosen) are in that blessed position because God has selected some according to His Foreknowledge. In other words, all whom God has foreordained to be His elect, will be saved. Now this is in God's department, so to speak, & not ours.

We cannot concern ourselves with what God knows, as sinful man must be in a position to hear the Gospel, be convicted of sin, & respond. So, the one who does hear & believe, can be assumed to be part of the "elect according to God's Foreknowledge". That is, God knows beforehand who will respond to the call. Those who reject the Gospel are outside of grace & can never be saved. Our "choice in the matter" is still a conscious decision we make, but made in concert with the Holy Spirit's working. Without the Gospel & without the Holy Spirit = no salvation. Many try to come another way; they're imposters.

In hyper-calvinism, God's election is taken to an extreme; where it even becomes unnecessary to share the Gospel, as God's choosing requires no response from man. Does that Church evangelize? If it does, then it's clear that they expect the sorrowful sinner to repent, believe, & be saved. The sinner's 'choice' is already in God's Plan to save him. We could ask the opposite question: can a sorrowful sinner be rejected by God because he is not foreordained to be saved? John 6:37, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." There's God's Promise of election & receiving a penitent sinner.

Hello, if we have no free will, what is the purpose of evangelism? If we have no free will what is the purpose of the gospel? If we have no free will, what is the purpose of following Jesus? Did you have freewill to write your question or did something force you to? Did it force you onto this website and are you a prisoner? When you brush your teeth is a force making you do that?

That's an interesting concept that we have no freewill, but it just seems to fall apart quickly with pure logic. Adam and Eve were given an choice and disobeyed God and received a punishment. Today we are given choices of whether to do good or evil and then are judged after this life according to what we have done. Romans 2:6. If there was no free will, why would anyone be judged?

I believe a movement in our society is against Christianity and they like to claim that we're only clumps of cells and that morality is only relative and that we have no choice when we do wrong. It just seems like a lazy way to rationalize committing sin and defying God. The word says to fear God who can send you to hell. Matthew 10:28. Obviously, if there was zero free will or choice then we wouldn't be continually warned to obey, avoid sin, follow Jesus. No freewill would mean everything is a charade and is meaningless. Obviously that idea is a lie and we do have freewill. I choose to respond vs not respond to this question out of my own freewill and hope to help others and help spread truth to replace lies. God bless...

This page might have more related verses.

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My friend's Baptist church teaches that God chooses our eternal destination (Calvinism) and that we do not have any choice in that matter. I have always believed that although God's Holy Spirit draws us to himself, that we have free will and must make a decision for Christ. Which is correct and how do you prove it in a discussion, including scripture verses to back it up?

Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam)

1) Concerns a kingdom: a political organization ( Daniel 2:44; Matthew 6:10)

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From {RDf} "Things That DIFFER!":

1) Concerns a body; a living organism ( 1 Corinthians 12:12; 1 Corinthians 12:27; Ephesians 4:12-16)

2) The kingdom to be established on earth ( Jeremiah 23:5; Matthew 6:10)

RDf

2) The Body given a position in Heaven ( Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:5-6; Colossians 3:1-3)

3) Christ to be its King ( Jeremiah 23:5; Isaiah 9:6-7)

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3) CHRIST Is The Living Head ( Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18)

4) The Body Chosen In CHRIST "Before the world began," but "kept secret since the world began" ( Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11; Ephesians 3:5-9)

RDf

4) The kingdom prophesied "since the world began" ( Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21)

5) Israel to be given supremacy over the nations ( Isaiah 60:10-12; Isaiah 61:6)

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5) Jew and Gentile place on the same level before God ( Romans 10:12; Romans 11:32; Ephesians 2:16-17)

6)The Gentiles to be blessed by Israel's instrumentality ( Genesis 22:17-18; Zechariah 8:13)

RDf

6) The Gentiles blessed through Israel's obstinancy ( Acts 13:44-46, Romans 11:28-32)

7)The Gentiles to be blessed by Israel's rise ( Isaiah 60:1-3; Zechariah 8:22-23)

RDf

7) The Gentiles blessed through Israel's fall ( Acts 28:27-28; Romans 11:11-12; Romans 11:15)

Hi Sydney, I prayed for you.

I noticed what you wrote "I don't create my own belief. I understand that I must be born again, and that it is totally a gift from the Holy Spirit." and thought I'd share my belief as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by you don't create your own belief. Believing is a choice. We are given freewill to choose who we want to follow and whether to obey. I choose to follow and obey Jesus Christ. John 14:15

Some believe faith is a gift. We can gain faith through hearing the Word of God as it says in Romans 10:17. This verse indicates that God can control the measure of faith we have: Romans 12:3. Some interpret Ephesians 2:8-9 as faith as being a gift, but I believe it means salvation is the gift. I believe we already have the freewill to choose and we gain faith through reading God's Word, just like it says.

Do you want to follow Christ? Have you read the Bible verses about how to do that? Link

Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam) - continued:

8) Prophecy mainly concerns nations as such ( Isaiah 2:4; Ezekiel 37:21-22)

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

8) The Mystery Concerns individuals ( Romans 10:12-13; 2 Corinthians 5:14-17)

9) Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, on earth ( Isaiah 2:3-4; Isaiah 11:1-9; etc.)

RDf

9) The Mystery Concerns "all spiritual blessings in The Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 3:1-3)

10) Prophecy concerns Christ's Coming to the earth ( Isaiah 59:20; Zechariah 14:4)

RDf

10) The Mystery Explains Christ's absence from the earth ( Ephesians 1:20-24; Colossians 3:1-3)

11) In prophecy, salvation by Grace through faith alone is not contemplated ( Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 23:1-3; Luke 7:29-30; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; James 2:17)

RDf

11) Salvation "By GRACE Through faith" Alone lies at The Very Heart Of The Mystery! ( Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-9)

12) The proclamation of the prophetic program committed particularly to the twelve ( Matthew 10:5-7; Acts 1:6-8; Acts 3:19-26)

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12) The proclamation of The Mystery program committed particularly to Paul ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Ephesians 3:8-9; Colossians 1:24-27)

13) The prophetic program revealed through many of God's servants Luke 1:70; 2 Peter 1:21)

RDf

13) The Mystery revealed through one man: Paul! ( Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 2:2; Galatians 2:7; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2-3)

14) Old Testament writers frequently did not understand the prophecies made through them ( Daniel 12:8-10; 1 Peter 1:10-12)

RDf

14) Paul Both understood And longed that others might understand The Mystery revealed through him ( Ephesians 1:15-23; Ephesians 3:14-21; Colossians 1:9-10; Colossians 2:1-3)

{borrowed from "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam}

Gina I believe a person can come to Gods Word and be delivered from any illness by confessing Romans 10:9+10 and believing in their heart confessing with their mouth and asking God for forgiveness of sin and healing in any category.

ChrisE Gods grace [ divine unmerited favour ]not by works lest any man should boast. Romans 10:9+10 Confess Believe in Heart[ inner most part of your being] take action say it, receive it Gods Gift accept, and begin to walk in it.

Lex Your conversion term i.e. being born again requires a few important actions. Believing which is action based between your head and your heart and your action mouth. Romans 10:8-10 an individual begins to realize he needs God in his life because he needs help from sin, eventually is told about what was done by God through Jesus Christ. Then with correct instruction gets Gods Word a Bible Finds Romans 10:9+10 up to this part its all action to get to an outcome then the beginning of the miracle of all miracles confesses the saviour from sin with his mouth and believes in His Heart innermost part of our being [literally seat of your personal life] that you confess with your mouth action believe in your heart to make jesus lord i.e. leader and believe God raised Him from the dead and your saved made whole and receive Gods gift Holy spirit. Trust me you'll know it's not just a feeling there is a peace you'll receive that is not of this world. It's the beginning of a life long walk of obedience and work to walk by the spirit that you've received.

Hi Dan Brother believing is the starting place because without believing Romans 10:9+10 you cannot receive the faith of Jesus Christ to have the ability to walk in the grace. Many take no action because they never really believed better known as lip service or not believing in their HEART. Those can't change because they never really believed. The sadducees and pharisees were masters at having head knowledge of scripture but in their hearts far from God. Jesus Christ pointed that out several times, I believe he said ye HYPOCRITE. Nothing changes just different apparel, but by there fruits ye shall know them. In His Service

Responding to you mentioning Hades and releasing the saints.

Luke 16:23

"And in Hell he lift up his eyes, (Note not hades) being in torments,"

Many counterfeits refuse to translate the Greek word "haides". Rather than translate "haides" to the word "hell", the counterfeit will transliterate the Greek word "haides" into the English "hades". By this trick the counterfeit attempts to extinguish the flames of hell. Hades is not "hell". Hell is flames, torments, weeping and wailing, complete darkness - forever. Hades is a new-age place of purification, or a fantasy place in Greek mythology. The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called Happy Fields.

Then you also mentioned that Jesus went to release the other saints but the Bible says he went to minister to the lost souls.

1 Peter 3: 18-22

During the 3 day's before his resurrection.

Christ descended to HELL to Preach to the lost souls in hell who rejected Christ in the day's of Noah.

The generation before and during Noahs time never had the Bible or scrolls of the Laws of God only the very rich and elect few had knowledge of the old time law's.

Because Christ said all will have a chance to repent and to get to now him personally.

Romans 14:11

For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."

Romans 10:14

How then will they call on Him (Jesus Christ) in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in Him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

Romans 10:9-13. Know as "The Roman Road". Prayers to you. Praise you. God bless.

Meaning Questions The Apostle Paul was given all the information needed by The Spirit revelation in the Church epistles of how to get born again and receive holy Spirit in the age of Grace that we live in. If you choose to get baptized in water fine, In Ephesians 4:5 It says one baptism and water is not mentioned it is a spiritual baptism. Believing Romans 10:9+10 and acting is the key. P.S. I was never water baptized and have been a christian for 45 years. In His Service Don't let fear stop you from being delivered bu Gods Grace.

The Sinner Prayer P.S. Confess Romans 10:9+10 and the rest of what I said earlier. Sorry

The Sinners Prayer Whatever you do don't sit and confess all your sin A. because you can't remember them all and B. not needed. Repent and say forgive me then Romans 10:8 -11 Confess with thy mouth action thats necessary and believe in thine heart innermost part of your being or for the sake of explanation your gut. that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved [absolute tense] God doesn't mess around. verse 10 For with the heart[ again innermost part of your being] man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confessing is made unto salvation. or wholeness also look at Romans 2:4 2nd half its the Goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance.

Romans 10:17

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Galatians 3:2

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

The more Bible you can get inside of you, the stronger you will be in your faith. Read John 3, ask to receive the Holy Spirit. Ask HIM to teach you what the scriptures mean. Ask for what you need.

There are things you can do also, it depends on your persistence to pursue everything the Holy Spirit has for you.

Personally I gorge myself on Bible Reading every day almost. When I wash dishes I listen to FM RADIO, Christian radio teaching ministers; sometimes on AM radio too. I like Paul Shepherd and Greg Laurie.

Sometimes when the news is shocking, I listen on YouTube to King James Bible: Faith verses, healing verses, spiritual warfare Bible verses.

Sometimes I may listen to some Isaac Air Freight to enjoy some comedy from a Biblical perspective. The more you get inside of you, the quicker you will grow up. We're to be sober minded for sure, heavenly minded, but able to not lose our sense of humor.

Sometimes talking to our friends and family is less frightening if we have a balance of everything in our "quiver". A quiver is the sling we wear with our arrows in it. God uses arrows guided by the Holy Spirit. They change us on the inside first, and then the Lord uses us to be witnesses. He leads; we follow Him.

Mishael

Jesse In my observation this is a confusing field in Gods word and I don't understand why. People keep saying don't change what's written so okay. We are born body and soul we have a body that's going to corrupt we took our first breath and became alive a living soul because according to Genesis 2:7 breath life is soul life, now when we get born again we receive the spirit of God Holy spirit Gods gift through confessing Romans 10:9+10, then we are body ,soul and spirit, before being born again exercising my sense of humour we are just a bunch of B.S.



When we die or or fall asleep body goes to dust spirit goes back to God who gave it and we take our last breath soul life is done. What I read spirit is spirit eternal, soul is soul breath life, body is formed dust of the ground that's what is written. With all due respect I don't look to correct more to understand, enhance and build upon. In His Service

Robert The first lie you were told was you can't change, my bible says the opposite God will do anything according to His Word to help you but in a matter of speaking you gotta want it. That being stated if you Haven't done it Confess Romans 10: 9+10 believe it in your heart put it into action thank God for forgiveness and mooooove on. Don't believe what people say believe God. Remember God is always on our side we gotta make up our minds and actions to stay on His. In His Service P.S. Claim deliverance in the name above all names JESUS CHRIST!

Robert Apparently you think that believing Romans 10:9+10 is a head trip because if was from the heart you would have made the commitment to start letting the lord lead. Now only God knows your heart but its up to you to put His will to action, if not you will wind up with a seared conscience where you will keep an old habit pattern and convince yourself its O.K. Sometimes you need completely different surroundings to get a clean start walking with God. There's an old saying if its going to be its up to me. Remember God is always there to help with one simple condition It Is Written. In His Service