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What does it mean to not conform to the pattern of this world ( Romans 12:2)?

Donna We keep the word in our hearts where we first believed Romans 10:9+10 and then Proverbs 4:23 kicks in Guard

guard or keep thy heart Gods Word with all diligence[mental effort to get desired result] for out of it are the issues of life. The more we put in our mind Romans 12:2 the more we believe in our hearts and the more we walk in the spirit we have

been given. Then we are witnesses because of changes in our lives.

Amen Brother David,

Romans 12:2-3. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Thanks for the reply,

God bless you.

David welch on Exodus 20 Throughout Gods word there are alwaystwo Great commandments which always hold

true ander the patriarchs the law and grace. Mathew 22:35-40. Thy neighbor is a friend in context and the same

applied all throughout the old testament. Romans 12:17-21.

Hello David In the gospel of Mathew the Royal law applies here in 37-40 the second half love thy neighbor

as thyself, the word neighbor if friend. The word neighbor in Exodus is friend or companion and is used 13 times

the idea is we walk according to Gods rules with all and then God will deal with it. That's my understanding

In Romans 12:18-21 is our rule in the Church.

Failure Just to help you in understanding what God did for us in forgiveness of sins by Jesus Christ

and making it available to walk by the spirit is all Grace, Gods Job. You committing to continue in your

renewed mind Romans 12:2 is your job to put on the Word and do the scripture. God is not going to make you do that

to do that because he doesn't control us but what you sew is still what you reap.

In society we're seeing a lot of evil called good, and good called evil. Criminals are being rewarded in our justice system, for example. People who loot, assault others, commit crimes for a 'cause' are generally let go with no punishment, while people who try to defend themselves against evil are now prosecuted. Invaders are even paid by certain hidden programs to invade their own country in order to accomplish a certain ideological objective. Money is being stolen from citizens to pay for these ideological partisan programs through government mass printing money to devalue everyone's currency. As if people weren't already financially struggling through recent events, now the government is stealing from innocent people.

It occurred to me that the Bible has predicted this.

Isaiah 5:20

And I found some other verses explaining what we're currently experiencing in society.

2 Timothy 4:3 - this explains the rampant propaganda in the media today. Many peddling lies aren't even as ashamed to be caught doing it anymore and believe the end justifies the means. It turns out their end is not truth, but their religious political objective. To many it is their political ideology is their religion and is their false god they worship.

2 Peter 2:1 - false teachers. In the last 12 months I've heard more false teachings than ever before. Huge attacks on Christianity coming from all angles, even deceived Christians. Amazingly distorted views of God, the Bible, sin, morality, and all kinds of things that are very creative and almost clever in how distorted it is. It turns out there's much pressure to conform to the world's version of morality and some seek to bend God's morals in order to fit the world's morals rather than the other way around, despite Romans 12:2. The Bible and God's morals haven't changed, only some people do.

2 Timothy 3:1-5 - warns about end times.

Folks, I believe we are entering the end times. The time to get right with God is running out. May God's blessings be on everyone here.

Hello, here are some scriptures to consider:

Romans 12:17-21, 1 Peter 3:9, 1 Peter 3:14.

God bless

I believe Judas will go to hell, because he betrayed Jesus to help murder him for profit. This is like blasphemy and turning his back on Jesus. Peter denied Jesus, which might also be a form of blasphemy, however, I believe Jesus forgave him through a special circumstance- asking if he loved Him three times.

People are deceived if they believe everyone goes to heaven regardless of how much sick and vile evil they commit against God, like Hitler mass murdering people. Jesus already said most people will go to hell. Just read the gospels and his many parables. They are all similar themes- warning after warning.

Jesus died for everyone, but forgiveness is contingent upon someone humbling themselves, repenting, confessing, believing, declaring Jesus is Lord and accepting the gift. Acts 2:38 - this requires an action. It doesn't say 'Do nothing and ye shall receive the gift' or 'Keep sinning as much as you want...' Here's another action requirement: repentance: Luke 5:32. Here's another confessing: 1 John 1:9.

Romans 10:9 - notice the "If..." People don't say "if" unless it's conditional. Salvation is conditional.

This says to believe: 1 John 5:13. It doesn't say 'not believing is totally fine.' Romans 12:2 - this says to be transformed and to not conform to the world. That's a big bummer for those hoping for a free get out of hell free card to enjoy a lifetime of sin and guilty pleasures. Look at this: John 8:11 and even this: James 2:26. Another: James 4:6. Reading the Bible for what it is paints a very different picture than the little summaries people like to spread around. People who ignore all the Bible's teachings and do whatever they want should be afraid for their soul: Luke 12:5. God bless.

1 John 5:7-8, in context: 1 John 5:1-12, Romans 12:3-6, Ephesians 4:4-5, John 17:9-23, 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, Ephesians 1:8-11,

John 1:1-5, John 10:14-17, John 10:28-30,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study for truth & understanding.

Good, you're at the right site. Start reading the WORD written inside by clicking the Books, I like Luke when I started that was great to show me as new study who Christ Jesus was, is & is to come. Hover over the scripture here, should bring you straight to it.

Luke 1:1-4, you can continue to read by clicking read full chapter the scroll down, click tab on edges to next chapter, etc. Many people enjoy Psalms, I didn't enjoy it as much as a new beginner study but do enjoy it much more now after years of study.

Psalms 1:1-3,

U may enjoy Exodus, which actually begins in Genesis 37:1-36, continues : Genesis 39:1-23, Genesis 40:1-23, Genesis 41:1-57, Genesis 42:1-38, Genesis 43:1-34, Genesis 44:1-34,

[Note this scripture chapter 44, Genesis, if you noticed we skipped Genesis 38, because it jumps from Joseph to Judah. Now if you read Genesis 38:1-30, you can understand a few things on deeper level = Judah maybe knows painful loss of children at this point in his life & even the difference of love towards children of his "loved wife". Next very importance of Judah's sacrifice for others, resemblance of Jesus sacrifice being beloved Son of GOD. John 3:16, ]also interesting Tamar, bore to Judah the son in Jesus documented lineage Matthew 1:1-3]

Back to story : Genesis 45:1-28, (forgiveness), Genesis 46:1-34, Genesis 47:1-12 (Redemption) Genesis 47:27-31,

Now note: Genesis 47:13-26 , Genesis 12:1-3, Genesis 12:10, Genesis 12:11-16, * Genesis 12:13-20, Genesis 16:3, Genesis 16:6-11, Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 21:8-21, my own opinion Deuteronomy 32:35-36, Romans 12:19.

These moments in Genesis leading up to how & why Israel came into bondage. Exodus 1:1-8, continue reading Exodus 1:22, please continue to read all of Exodus.

One more encouraging note :) Hebrews 11:22, Psalms 105:1-45,

Furthermore on this site under the 1611 Version tab you can scroll to see more history on the Bible.

Hopefully these inspire a new lifetime desire of deeper study

Dear precious friend, assuming you are right, AND we are "NOT to be 'Conformed' to the world Romans 12:2, let's ask A Very Important about Confused christendom's 'mode' of water BY IMMERSION.

All young and Middle-Aged women who are Christians, please advise, IF this is OK/Approved

Unto God:

How is "immersion of God's Precious WOMEN" as a rite/ritual/'Condemned' By CHRIST 'Tradition' Any DIFFERENT than a "WET t-shirt Contest" at the local UNgodly liquor establishment???

Of Course, there are Many MORE questions about This Important Doctrine of God, but I digress for now...

Good day...

Satan who deceives the WHOLE WORLD

EVERYONE starts out as a god of this world, were are being CREATED a NEW MAN, a god of the WORLD TO COME.

The god of this world (Satan). We start out as the children of Satan ( John 8:44):

We END as children of GOD

We begin as the image of the beast (Satan)( Revelation 13:14-15)

We END the image of God

2 Corinthians 11:14 An no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers (gods of THIS WORLD) also be transformed TO MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (gods of the WORLD TO COME)......

Romans 12:2 And be ye not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed be THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND ...

Sis That gets back to rightly divided doctrine, and No private interpretation which has been handed down through the ages. I do what I do because it works not because its a nice head trip, Jesus Christ walked and talked in the realm of the miraculous, we can too which I KNOW most people don't believe but that's not my problem, that's what my God through his Son paid for in full. Because of His Sacrifice and resurrection we can Hebrews 4:16, Romans 12:2, Ephesians 5:1+2,

Ephesians 1:19, John 10:10, 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 John 3:22, there are over 400 of these called promises to us who believe.

I've learned by walking out and doing that is believing, I never received nothing until I read listened and Acted which by the way is why its called the book of Acts, they believed and moved.

Hi Timothy. Here are some Scriptures for you to consider:

1 Corinthians 6:12; Titus 2:11,12; 1 Peter 5:8,9; James 1:12-15; James 4:7,8; 1 Peter 2:11; Romans 13:12-14; Romans 12:1,2.

All these Scriptures show how a Christian can live above the sinful cravings of the heart & mind - when we know that we need help & that help is beyond any power we can muster up, then we must cry to the Lord our God, submit fully to Him & daily trust Him to deliver us of anything that opposes godliness.

I had a few addictions to surrender to the Lord when I was saved by His Spirit; some things left off immediately, others took a little longer. But remember "it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2:13. God will by His Spirit help an earnest repentant soul. If He is in the business of pulling out wayward souls from the coming fires of Hell through His Son's Sacrifice, He will certainly not forget a struggling child who is still ensnared by the wicked one.

Our strength to resolve our issues very quickly diminishes - God's great Power to deliver & heal awaits all who look only to Him & submit to His Will. And when temptation knocks at our door, we are reminded in 1 Corinthians 10:13, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." But the part of that verse that tests our genuineness, is whether we see, acknowledge & use the door of escape that God provides for us. When that sin or addiction becomes something most hateful in us, we're on the road to physical, mental & spiritual recovery.

Hi Jessie Hill Something I keep in mind the spirit in us is perfect we do not sin walking by the spirit but the flesh is weak and the mind is in the category of the flesh, therefore the battle is in the mind putting on the mind of christ to control the flesh to walk by the spirit. Committing sin is not just having a thought it is the carrying out in action of the thought. Now if you dwell or constantly think of negative stuff its just a matter of time before an individual carries out what there dwelling on because eventually they will believe it in there heart. Proverbs Guard thy heart with all diligence for out of it are the issues of life. Whether its positive or negative anything an individual dwells on or thinks about enough they will eventually become or do. Guard your mind Romans 12:2, Ephesians 4:23-32, Philippians 4:8, Colossians 3:1-14 2 Corinthians 10:5. Prayerfully this helps.

Part II

2 Corinthians 1:9-10

"...God Which raiseth the dead: Who Delivered us from so great a death, and Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that He Will Yet Deliver us"

2) God's Eternal Salvation in The Present Tense:

The believer Should do 'good works' for which we 'are created In Christ Jesus' Ephesians 2:10

Note that 'these works' will Never Be Equal to the Total Payment That Christ Made For 'the Penalty of sin,' for which "He Already Delivered" us in the past tense of 2 Corinthians 1:10

These good works are for submission To Him, so that 'He Doth Deliver' us from 'the Power of sin,' present tense of 2 Corinthians 1:10

We "work out Our Own salvation" which Should Be a lifetime of Deliverance From the Power of sin! Our personal {set our-'Self' apart} sanctification:

2A)

"Access The GRACE, Wherein ye stand!..." Romans 5:2

1) "Die Daily" by submission, according to Paul's exhortation:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, By the Mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice..." Romans 12:1-2 cp 1 Corinthians 15:31

2)

"Walk In The Spirit!" Romans 8:1,4 Galatians 5:16,25

"And walk in love, as Christ Also Hath Loved us, and Hath Given HIMSELF For us An Offering and A Sacrifice To God for a sweet-smelling savour." Ephesians 5:2

2b)

Fulfil, by faith, ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!" Galatians 5:6 Galatians 5:14 Romans 13:8-10

2c)

Study HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, to show thyself Approved Unto God! 2 Timothy 2:15 Eternal Results:

reward, or loss thereof 1 Corinthians 3:6-15, ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day:

3) God's Eternal Salvation in The Future Tense:

CHRIST's GLORIFICATION of All "members" Of HIS Body! This Is ETERNAL DELIVERANCE From the Presence of sin! 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Corinthians 15:51-57



Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship Romans - Philemon

Romans 12:1-21, John 6:37, are you looking for a place of fellowship? Are you looking for scriptures to learn about giving HIM your life? You are welcome with us fellow believers.

Ask God to help you make a comprehensive list of your sins.

Confess every sin that the Holy Spirit calls to your remembrance and accept God's forgiveness ( 1 John 1:9).

Seek forgiveness from all whom you have offended, and forgive all who have hurt you ( Mark 11:25; Luke 11:4; 17:3,4).

Make restitution as the Holy Spirit leads you.

Ask God to fill you with His Holy Spirit according to His command in Ephesians 5:18 and His promise in 1 John 5:14,15.

Surrender your life fully to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Master; refuse to obey your worldly nature ( Romans 12:1,2).

Meditate on the attributes of God, His love, sovereignty, power, wisdom, faithfulness, grace, compassion, and others ( Psalm 48:9,10; 103:1-8, 11-13).

Begin your time of fasting and prayer with an expectant heart ( Hebrews 11:6).

Do not underestimate spiritual opposition. Satan sometimes intensifies the natural battle between body and spirit ( Galatians 5:16,17).

If you're married with kids, you'll still need to care for them. Attend to your duties, then excuse yourself back to your "closet".

I fast from food and ALL MEDIA. The idea is fast from food, AND feast on the Word of God. Ask the Holy Spirit to shield you from interruptions, like phone calls, people who drop in unannounced or uninvited.

Have on hand, bouillon, fruit juice, lots of water. Jesus hungered after his fast. (he drank water.)

If you are diabetic or on serious meds, check your blood sugar if you feel bad. Dehydration will stop a fast.

Read the Gospels. Spend time in praise and worship. You can do this at work with headphones on. Whatever you do; no long faces. Bathe and dress normal.

Write Eph. 6 on a piece of paper and keep it before you. Don't tell anyone you're on fast. Just your husband. Satan will try to make you mad, feel unspiritual. Jesus used SCRIPTURE to counter attack satans attacks.

It's good to read aloud. We have gates: ears, eyes, mouth, a heart of joy. The Word goes in through all gates.

2 Corinthians 2:7, should read 2 Corinthians 5:17. Apologies, don't know what happened there.

Hello Doug. Just to add to brothers Rick & Kent's wise advice, my thoughts first turn to 1 Corinthians 9:24-27. This speaks of not just a disciplined body to run the spiritual race before us, but we must note that the Apostle Paul's first act was to engage his mind in that direction. Without being fully convinced & fully focussed on winning the race, all other exercises to attain our goal will ultimately fail. Every professional athlete knows that it is both mind & body that are exercised & engaged to win the prize. A body that is prepared, but with a mind wandering on the concerns of family & other matters, or with having some doubt of winning, has already set a precedent for failure.

And when Paul tells us in Romans 12:2, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God", he speaks of changing the focus from off worldly matters & pursuits (though, we must still live in the world). Paul uses the Greek word that we know as 'metamorphosis', or to transform or change into a "new creature" ( 2 Corinthians 2:7) by first causing our minds to be renewed (re-focussed; in a new direction). And this can only happen when we first determine this in our hearts & minds, allowing God's Spirit to take full control, thereby causing us to have power to live for Christ & to live to make Christ known. And indeed, as already been said, our minds need to feed on God's Word that our spirits might be refreshed daily, giving "proof (in our hearts) of that good, acceptable & perfect Will of God" in our lives.

Hi Doug,

You renew your mind by reading and staying focused on the word of God. It will change your way of thinking to better align it with God's thinking.

Hi Doug Work the word daily and keep it first in everything you do. In practice work the Church Epistles they are written to us in this the age of grace the body of Christ,also the gospels then old testament. Its all Gods Word giving you my perspective. The church epistles give the doctrine reproof and correction on walking by the spirit in the body of Christ, Romans is the magna carta of Christianity, Ephesians is the spiritual pinnacle and Thessalonians is the gathering together or also whats known as the rapture of the body when Christ returns and we're taken up. God Bless

How do you renew your mind?

I need clarification on the word conceits Romans 12:16.

It appears as though I am in need of a remedies for gas symptoms which keep occuring. It rushed me to emergency when I was younger. I would like prayer for a cure of the root of the problem as well as having my memory not fail me when I need to recall something. A renewed mind as they state in Romans 12:2...signed Ms. J. Davis

Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. Please know that my response is given in love with my only intention to glorify the Lord.

I understand what you are saying about not turning down service providers based on if they are believers or not, I certainly would not turn down bypass surgery or roof repair because the provider was not a believer; however, those services are quite different than "spiritual" or "mind" service providers. Heart surgery or roof repair is not doctrine or the word of God and has nothing to do with salvation or living a Godly life or solving behavioral (heart) problems ( Jeremiah 17:9, Mark 7:20-23).

When it comes to obeying the Lord and following His word, psychology just seems to be a secular (and ungodly) look at behavior. It is an attempt to explain why we do things and what the solution is without referring to God and His word. Psychology is an invention from worldly men who denied Jesus Christ (people like Freud, Wundt, Jung, Skinner, etc). Some psychologists even merge the word of God and secular theory which seems unbiblical to me (we are to be set apart from this world - John 15:19, Romans 12:1-3, 1 John 2:15-17).

I guess what I am really asking is - to put it how you were phrasing it - if someone was 'sick' (spiritually) why would they go to a secular physician (psychologist) and not a spiritual physician (Jesus)? We even have a behavioral manual (the Word). The bible seems to continually say that the Lord and His word are sufficient, exactly what we need and that we should avoid the wisdom of men ( 2 Timothy 2:15-16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 2:25, Hebrews 4:14-16, Isaiah 55:7-9). 1 Corinthians 2:11-16. When we become a Christian, we have the mind of Christ, which is spiritual - not worldly. Jesus is our counselor ( Isaiah 9:6) and he knows us ( John 2:25).

It seems that as a Christian we either believe that the word of God is sufficient for all spiritual problems or we don't.

BTW - this is not for me, it involves a family member.

Hahaha ! A giant swimming pool full of puke ! You have a fab way with words Grace , thankyou for making me laugh and also cringe !

What's scary is a life outside of Jesus.

Search out other young people who love reading the Bible. And anything to do with Jesus or God.

Don't hear their words cuz if they say they love Jesus or are saved but don't have any good fruit like reading Bible ,praying, worshipping

( which usually includes looking upward and smiling with that sparkling I love you look in the eyes).

And get saved out loud. Yes, in front of the church.

Living life without Jesus is like swimming in a giant pool of other peoples puke mixed with your own! In other words, it's just awful! And it will make you feel that awful too.

Jesus loves you. Take a step of faith. Be bold!

Jesus is the one calling you. I felt exactly like you do. Like everyone was staring at me. They aren't. It just feels that way.

Even tho you can't see Him, Jesus is at the front of the church. Walk towards him. Receive His salvation in a prayer. Write the date inside your Bible. Start reading it in the Book of John.

He will never leave you, no matter what happens.

We are here to answer any questions you need answers for.