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Kevin: "who specifically is 'God' that raised Christ?"

RESURRECTION By The Triune GODHEAD!:

(1) The LORD JESUS Raised HIMSELF From the dead!: "JESUS Answered And Said Unto them, Destroy This Temple, and in three days I Will Raise It Up!...But HE Spake Of The Temple Of HIS BODY!" ( John 2:19, John 2:21 cp John 10:17-18) +

(2) God, The Father Raised HIS SON From the dead!: "Whom God Hath Raised Up, Having Loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that He should be holden of it!" ( Acts 2:24 cp Acts 2:32, Acts 3:15, Acts 3:26, Acts 10:40, Acts 13:30, Acts 13:34, Acts 17:31; Romans 4:24, Romans 6:4, Romans 8:11; Ephesians 1:20; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Hebrews 13:20; 1 Peter 1:21) +

(3) The Holy Spirit Raised The LORD JESUS CHRIST From the dead!: "But if The Spirit Of HIM That Raised Up JESUS From the dead Dwell in you, He That raised up CHRIST from the dead Shall Also Quicken your mortal bodies By HIS Spirit That Dwelleth In you." ( Romans 8:11 cp Acts 2:24, Acts 2:32; 1 Peter 3:18)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified!

Hi Rick, if you haven't seen that then great- it's best to not be exposed to that if not on your guard with the armor on. Plenty of people here say we don't have to worry about avoiding sin or even trying. They say human effort of any kind is bad. This is a false teaching. It involves taking a verse and distorting it to mean the desired outcome, while ignoring a mountain of other verses which are commands to be obedient. Some also falsely assume that just because you do good that you're now trying to 'earn' salvation- nope- we're saved by grace. But Christians are called to follow Christ and be obedient and deny the sinful self. Following Christ is an action. It is a huge responsibility. Some assume they have zero responsibility and can do whatever they want.

I have attended plenty of churches that teach this- where one Sunday you get 'saved' then you're done and don't have to do anything anymore. Then you're told that if you try you're bad or legalistic. They would call Jesus legalistic though for John 14:15. We must beware of false teachings from satan. I know a Christian who will probably be committing fornication tonight and has for years. The pastor taught him he's saved and doesn't have anything to worry about. Is that true?

Then you read something like Romans 6:15-23 that says while we're free from slavery to sin, we're not totally free, but instead slaves (servants) to righteousness. And sinning is "no big deal." But it's very big deal to God. God hates it and sinning is like slapping Him in the face and spitting on Him. That is a very different message than some are Christians are saying. So, those who believe they don't have to try as a Christian probably has a false sense of security and need to heed Jesus's words: Luke 12:5. This warning from the Bible is spread here in love so that all will get right with the Lord and be saved. There's only one truth- and I'd rather lean towards following God than following man's ideas.

Precious friend, Meaningful Questions: "does that mean I don't have to be baptized?...I don't want to do something just because everyone else does." This is A Very Good Point!

Two things concerning "water baptized to be {or not to be} saved":

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST: Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! So, Meaningful Questions, we don't do it "Because Everyone Else is" {disobeying God, In Confusion?} Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

More Relevant water baptism Discussion is here: Link

Hello Rick. I agree with your understanding of Ephesians 4:5. The 1 Corinthians 1:15-17 passage, I believe speaks of a water baptism, as in almost all cases of baptism, it refers to water baptism (e.g. Romans 6:3-5; 1 Peter 3:21; Colossians 2:12). Where the "hands of the apostle" were laid upon someone that is clearly a reference to an impartation of the Spirit (Spirit baptism) ( Acts 8:14-17; Acts 9:17; Acts 19:1-6). Or, as in Ephesians 4:5 (as you showed), plus 1 Corinthians 12:13. And yes, re-birth happens after one repents, believes, calling upon the Lord Jesus - there is no Grace communicated through water baptism.

Indeed, Acts 9:17,18 mentions the word 'baptism' & it could go either way, though I see it as Paul being water baptized. And then Acts 22:12-16, Paul rehearses the same event & speaks of him being instructed to "arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord". Do you see water baptism here or is still Spirit baptism?

The Acts 15 account, was about those men from Judaea & the believing sect of the Pharisees (v5), who wanted Gentile converts to be first circumcised & to keep the Law before they could be saved. But the decision was that neither was required (by the New Covenant in the Blood), except "that they (the Gentiles) abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." (v20). Those are my thoughts anyway, in response. The Lord bless you.

Thank you brother ChrisE, I was afraid that I did understand you, as you wrote about this in your comments.

Re: 1 Corinthians 1:17. I believe that Paul "was not sent to baptize", as his calling & ministry was specifically to the preaching of the Gospel & for the establishing of assemblies of believers particularly among the Gentiles, to whom he was called. However, he did baptize Crispus ( 1 Corinthians 1:14, Acts 18:8) & Gaius ( Romans 16:23), & others, such as the household of Stephanus ( 1 Corinthians 1:16), though this seemed not to be the thrust of his ministry. So the fact that he did baptize (& I doubt if we could interpret the word to be 'baptize with the Spirit'), it must prove that water baptism was still performed as prescribed by the Lord in Matthew 28:19. How else would you read this?

I can understand where Ephesians 4:5 & 1 Corinthians 12:13 (as examples given by you) refer to baptism by the Spirit, however, the other references ( Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; & Romans 6:3-4) clearly imply that believers were baptized in water. So yes, I see two baptisms: one for identification & the other, for bringing into the Body of Christ & infilling.

In your mind, would Scriptures such as Matthew 28:18; Acts 8:13; Acts 8:36; Acts 9:18; Acts 10:47,48; Acts 16:15; Acts 16:33; Acts 18:8; Acts 19:5; & Acts 22:16, be speaking of Spirit baptism? I ask, as I've attempted with great difficulty to reinterpret those verses to mean anything other than immersion in water. Yes, there is the ONE Baptism that is important, that from the Spirit, yet the Scripture is replete with examples of water baptism following repentance as an act of identification. Now if I could find a verse to show the annulment of it, I would be forced to re-think this matter. Thank you for sharing those thoughts brother.

I would investigate the motives behind this question. Is the goal to 'get out of' responsibility? Is the goal to do the bare minimum required as a Christian? Is the goal to avoid public embarassment or personal inconvenience? Which is more important- pleasing God, pleasing man, or pleasing yourself? Should a genuine Christian only strive to do the bare minimum God has 'required'?

Paul in Romans 6:17-18 said we were servants (or slaves) to sin, and now are servants/slaves of righteousness. Would a slave of righteousness want to avoid obedience to Christ and only do the bare minimum required as a Christian? What if Jesus doesn't want our bare minimum effort- what if that's an insult to Him? He died for you. Maybe He wants 100% of you- a total commitment. If you were 100% for Jesus as #1 priority in your life, how might you live your life differently?

It would be hard for a Bible-believing Christian to believe that Acts 2:38 means nothing. That it somehow means that you shouldn't be baptized, because it literally says TO be baptized. God bless...

Precious brother Chris said: "I perceive that from your explanation of baptism history & its connection to the Baptism of John, that you also believe that today's water baptism (as prescribed by our Lord in Matthew 28:19,20) has lost its currency - that baptism by the Holy Spirit is what has been preached & given since the Church formed.

I believe there is NO water ritual {which was Previously FOR Israel}, for The Body Of CHRIST, currently, for Today - Summed Up:

Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

Thus, it is impossible to ADD water, equalling TWO baptismS today, when God ONLY has

ONE! Correct?

I have an Expanded "study" on God's ONE Baptism, for us, The Body Of CHRIST, Today, IF you wish to consider it, also?...

Precious brother Chris, please Be RICHLY Encouraged!

ChrisE

Brother ChrisE. Thank you for your in-depth, enlightening comments on the various 'baptisms'. I may be mistaken, but I perceive that from your explanation of baptism history & its connection to the Baptism of John, that you also believe that today's water baptism (as prescribed by our Lord in Matthew 28:19,20) has lost its currency - that baptism by the Holy Spirit is what has been preached & given since the Church formed. Why I assume this, is from your Points #9, 9c, c1-3.

Point 9: I don't believe the Apostle "Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach" (John's baptism). I see that each of the baptisms were different: of the priesthood, the Jews, by John, administered to Christ, believers' baptism. As much as I can understand your connection of the various baptisms, the baptism of Jesus & then the subsequent baptism of Jesus' followers (post-Cross) are quite different. Why did the Lord volunteer to be baptized under John's baptism? He had no sin to repent of or of induction into the priesthood. If it was to "fulfil all righteousness", it indicated a different aspect to baptism that He alone could observe, fulfilling His Father's Will in preparation for the reason for His Coming.

Points 9c, c1-3: "Baptism of Repentance" is not for today. That was peculiar to John's. The baptism post-Cross is what we term 'Believers' Baptism' & this is purely in response to the Lord's Directive & to Identification with Him. Colossians 2:10-12: "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Also Romans 6:3,4; 1 Peter 3:20,21. In this baptism, confession of sins is not made as was under John's, because there is no transmission of Grace in it, simply one of obedience & identification: going 'part & parcel' with repentance & spiritual re-birth.

But if you were referring only to those believing in baptism into the Israeli priesthood, but support 'believer's baptism', then I apologize.

Clayton, Precious friend. Two things concerning "baptized to be saved":

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!

( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4)

( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Hi Jaden.

I would like to attempt to refresh your question because it is All important.

To get a understanding of salvation we must recognize that we have come up short even when giving our best efforts.

We are sinners no matter who we attempt to compare ourselves with. And the wages of sin is death.

Romans 5:12. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:23. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 9:22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

OUR REDEMPTION.

Salvation is not getting away with sin "because we say we believe" Salvation is Christ to on the penalty of our sins and died for us, And those who truly has been regenerated was baptized into that death. and when Christ rose again they was baptized into his resurrection with newness of Everlasting life.

1 Corinthians 15:21-22. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as IN Adam all die, EVEN SO IN CHRIST SHALL ALL BE MADE ALIVE.

Now to attempt to answer your question.

We believe we are without hope apart from Christ, Christ took the penalty of our sins upon him and paid for them with his life. Then rose again the third day. We were IDENTIFIED/BAPTIZED into that death and resurrection by the Holyspirit. Romans 1:3-4.

Now fruit in our lives confirms our belief.

and we. If there is no fruit produced in our lives then our faith was in vain.

Because it's Christ spirit in you that performs.

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Hopefully we can expand on this.

God bless.

Mark, Precious friend, there is NO water baptism, today, Under God's GRACE. ie:

Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then, we have to find out WHICH of the Many Various "denominational traditions" is the Correct one, Correct?

However, IF God Says "NO," as I believe All Scripture Shows below, then "yes" is OUT of the question, yes?:

"Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!

( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4)

( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes the {Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!? Also, "...we walk By FAITH, Not by sight..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7) Amen?

Mark, Precious friend, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

But GOD be thanked, that we WERE sinners, but have obeyed that form of doctrine that was delivered us. Now, being made FREE from sin, we become servants of righteousness.

Hi Peggy,

I would like to add to what Brother Jesse said.

There are some that believe and teach that when you are saved you can do what ever they want because you are saved by Love and grace. So they continue on in their sin. But the scripture says otherwise.

Romans 6:1-2. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

( Continue reading Romans 6:3-10. )

When we are born again Christians we have been baptized into the body of believers, "We all have been Identified with the death and resurrection of Christ.

Were no longer under complete control by the motions of the flesh

Romans 7:5. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

This brings on a new nature and attitude towards sin. The Holyspirit convicts us and empowers us. Not to perfection but a pure heart. There should be evidence of fruit in your life and conviction against ALL sin. I would do a serious study in Romans Ch 6. Ch 7. and Ch 8.

God bless.

Gerald, my Precious friend, I'll take your question "2: How should we be baptized?" Better

is to first ask: Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then find out "how."

IF not, then no need to find that out, Correct? Here is my "Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli"priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITHThe Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things ThatDiffer!:

Mystery/GRACE! =our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul WasNot Sent to water baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,Spiritually Identifying members Into The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) MYSTERY/GRACE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONEOR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God'sAnswer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely "Solves" theMany Severely DIVIDED denominations' Confusion!?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Hi Glenn. I think you meant to write: "incorrect", because what you've stated & what I've stated are totally different. I understand that you wrote (& I could have misunderstood you), that rebirth means 'coming in the flesh'. Whereas, I believe Jesus wasn't speaking of a fleshly birth (as Nicodemus erroneously thought), but of a spiritual birth. Our spirits are naturally dead towards God because of original sin being transmitted ( Ephesians 2:1-3), but through Jesus' Sacrifice & the subsequent impartation of His Holy Spirit, our dead spirits God-ward are awakened (made alive) & joined to the Holy Spirit Who then causes the workings of God to be manifested in & through the believer ( Romans 6:11). That is how I understand re-birth: of our spirits made new by God - not a fleshly birth.

Hello Melanie. I think you're referring to the Old Testament Laws & the harsh punishment given should they be broken. Some laws brought on the death penalty while others didn't. They sound very unpalatable to us now because we've been conditioned by society & government to accept most crimes as being only worthy of some degree of punishment, but in the Divine Judgement, all sin & all wicked acts against others brings on a severe penalty. If "the wages of sin is death" ( Romans 6:23), then both physical death & spiritual death has "passed onto all men".

In Leviticus chapter 20, we get a list of those crimes that the Lord prescribed the death penalty. And this was so because God declared, "And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine." ( Leviticus 20:26). The people were given ample warning, so it took a wilful disobedience & rebellion against God for a person to purposely pursue those crimes; & judgement & death was certain. And yet, if the people brought & offered a sacrifice of repentance (Leviticus chapter 5), they were forgiven for certain crimes.

Likewise, even though that type of punishment is generally not given for the crimes we see today, we know that God has not overlooked it, neither the disease of our hearts. And that is why He sent His Son to this world: that by His Sacrifice for us, He has provided us the only way that God could accept us - when we come in repentance for our sins & in faith in Jesus' Death for us. And for those who rebel against God's Word & His Sacrifice, our courts certainly won't punish them, but we can be assured that all will stand guilty before God & experience an eternity of punishment. "He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses" ( Hebrews 10:28); our laws & justice have little resemblance to Divine requirements. Yet we can thank God that His Mercy, through His Son, avails to us all. But one day, even that door will close.

Hi Angie Could you explain that more clearly please. We were given our eternal spiritual salvation through Jesus christ after pentecost it was available. That's my understanding, but as it says in Romans 6: complete chapter at the end verse this applies since genesis, the wages or working of sin is always death. But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord. Just something to think about.

Being born again is very simple....First we must realize that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God....



Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Sin is anything that goes against God's standards and rules...this goes from lying to thinking bad thoughts...to murder and sexual perversions..ect... God says there is a price for these sins...and that price is death...and not just our bodies dying because our bodies are only temporal on this earth...but our SOULS are eternal...so this death God speaks of is in terms of ones soul to be eternally separated from the God that created us in His image..SO Hell is the punishment for sin...

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

BUT God!! Sent Jesus to pay our sin debt and it is a free gift to any that believe that Jesus died, rose, and is now at the Right Hand of the Father we also can live eternally with God..but we MUST KNOW we are sinners!! And just like a child that does something wrong seeks to be forgiven...we must seek the same from God through Jesus...with FAITH!!

Romans 10:9-10

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Confess we KNOW Jesus as our Saviour!! Believe in our hearts we are sinful...but God loves us enough to have mercy on us...believe God raised Jesus up...and He WILL raise His children up as well...Jesus defeated death...God raised Him from the grave! He can give us rebirth!! IF we will just accept it! Praying God give you wisdom and understanding in this if you have never been born again!

HI Rebecca.

I agree with sister Dianne. Ephesians 2:8. For by grace are ye saved ( through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:)

I would like to add a verse or two.

1 John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation ""to every one that believeth;"" to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

I suggest getting an understanding of Romans 5:1-21. Romans 6:1-23.

and James 2:14-26.

God bless

Sir, Dr. Masters,

Thank you for your exceptional knowledge of God our Lord Jesus Christ.. Sir, it seems that people are having a hard time knowing what is sin.....where to find the sins.....I told my friend that the Old Testament has them listed....in the first 5 Books of the Bible.... they told me that those are for the Jewish people ...I calmly answered her saying..." Do we learn from the Jew's that there is even a God that spoke to Abraham , Moses, Mary? Do we say that we taught ourselves about sin....from the New Testament.....Paul listed 22 in Romans 3....She said that we are not under the laws....but are saved by Grace....I said that is right to a point...We are to repent of our sin , Believe that Jesus Christ to them to the Cross, died with them and arose clean and arose to Heaven...All we hear of is repent of sin but please share the list. Thank you, Faye

Hi Sissy.

If you mind I would like to add to the ruckus. lol.

Just to answer your question directly we don't worry about the soul.

We're concerned about the Spirit.

I don't believe they're the same.

"If I'm not mistaking" I believe your soul is connected to this earthly body. It wars against our Spirit,

Our Spirit will be connected with our Spiritual body where there will be no more Sin.

Psalms 16:9-10. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Brother Jesse or Brother Chris can check me on that, I do value their opinion.

As well as others.

Our natural birth we was born "Children of Adam. a living soul but spiritually dead! Our motions in our members was one with the Law " Ministration of condemnation " When we were born again "Born from above" We died in Adam and was born of the second Adam. "Christ" "A quickening spirit"

REFERENCE VERSES:

1 Corinthians 15:45-47.

2 Corinthians 3:6-10.

Romans 7:4-11.

We are hidden in Christ and that will never change, Your body goes in the ground, your spirit is with the Lord," He in you and you in Him.

Romans 6:3-5.

Colossians 3:3-4. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, EVEN SO THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.

The body SLEEP in th ground and is raised a spirit body! and the spirit goes to Jesus. " How else could he bring it with him?"

John 14:19-20.

John 11:26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I hope that helps, If not you're probably confused times 10.

God bless.

Satan's still a sinner too! Just like you unbelievers!

I love this chapter in Romans! Like the Book of James, this is very much a chapter of "where the rubber meets the road". As Christians, we are called to a life of obedience and holiness. We, being filled with the Holy Spirit, seek to bring honor and glory to our risen Savior, who gave his life for us! We love him because he first loved us and it is never grievous to do his will!

You're right Adam.

If a person truly believes he will bare fruit.

The Holyspirit will sanctify,

Romans 6:1-4 . What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

James 2:20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

John 15:5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Matthew 7:17-20. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

2 Peter 1:20-21. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Isaiah 28:9-10. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

The Same message is spread throughout the bible. a little here, and a little there.

All scripture should harmonize.

Amen.

The wages of sin is death but multitude still follow the wrong road which is bad the world is turning into something else death ,war, famine, sickness are now the topic of the day i pray God keep us safe will shall endure this time of trial in jesus name

Hi Lauren,

I know we all go thru that mind set. Paul writes about it in Romans 7:11-25. The Lord knows our frame and helps us through His scriptures. It is not easy. Our responsibility is to search His Word and trust in its application to our lives. Gal 2:20; Col 3: 1-10; 1 Cor 10: 13 are passages that helped me. It takes time, however it gets easier as time goes by. Key is to keep working at it. The Lord is there for you. He wants us to succeed. Remember, it is His desire that we be like Christ. Romans 6:5; Phil 3:21; 1 John 3:2. Sorry didn't mean to give you so many verses, just wanted you to have enough "ammunition" to fight against the enemy and quench all his fiery darts Eph 6: 11-18. I used 3X5 cards to write the verses and carried them with me to help me memorize the verses.

God bless you, and know that the Lord is there for our success.

Sister Mrs. Joanne Peters, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Ephesians 4:5 There is one body, one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling;

You are the ONE BODY (as everyone else), the SPIRIT (of God; CHRIST) lives IN YOU, and gives YOU everything he is, this one hope (in God's eyes a finished work) is that through the WORK OF CHRIST IN YOU we will be delivered from sin and death (flesh, the ways of the world) into the glorious liberty of the Sons (daughters) of God; the EXACT LIKENESS OF CHRIST. You do nothing on your part, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, you are just a vessel made only to hold CHRIST. You (sinful flesh) died on the cross of CHRIST; YOU were raised with Christ and Christ lives for you, gracing you with all he is; love, peace, truth, perfection, mercy, faithfulness, wisdom, understanding, knowledge, etc.

Ephesians 4:6 One Lord (Christ), one faith (and Christ GIVES you his (ONE) faith), one baptism (you were baptised into Christ death; your flesh died with his flesh and was resurrected with him in a NEW BODY (this one body; the body of Christ in us).

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptised into JESUS CHRIST (not water) were baptised into his death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he hath part in the first resurrection; on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priest of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Part 5. New birth.

Romans 6:4-18.

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

"Likewise ( RECKON ) ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

HERE THE WORD RECKON CAN BE TRANSLATED RECOGNIZE.

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Here I leave off at verse 18 for today, I will pick up verses 19-23 on through Romans 7 on a later date.

The struggle and victory over sin in the new birth.

until then God bless.

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Hello Randy. Looking at the sacrifice of Jesus, the Son of God, from the human standpoint, I would agree with your question & it could also make me wonder also as to why God couldn't provide another way for our redemption. But with any biblical question that needs an answer, we have to find it by understanding God's Wisdom as seen in ALL of Scripture. Please bear with me.

In God's Justice system, if anything is done in opposition to His Law (whether verbal or written), the penalty for that disobedience is death: "For the wages of sin (breaking of the Law) is death" ( Romans 6:23) & "as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" ( Romans 5:12). We suffer death because we are all sinners - all have disobeyed God's Will (whether Jew or non-Jew). But was death the only punishment for sinners seeing that the spirit of man (our immaterial part that is really who we are) cannot die? The body has to die & return to dust but the spirit still has to face judgement for his disobedience & rejection of God: "it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" ( Hebrews 9:27).

But God's people (Israel) still had to have a set of rules & regulations from God that they had to obey to have a right standing before Him & if they failed to do so, their sinful state remained & they would stand before the Great Judge. Of course, they failed, as we also do now, because those Laws only revealed to us our sinfulness & incapability to fulfil them. So God introduced the sacrificial system whereby Israel faithfully had various sacrifices performed so that God would be appeased by this act of payment of life for life. Rather than the Israelite being executed for his sin (which would mean that all would have been killed), God's Anger & Judgement against him was appeased by the sacrifice of an unblemished animal as his substitute (Leviticus chapter 1).

Hi Bridget,

Just to give a little reply to your comment. Do you believe we are still under the Old Covenant?

If you believe we are to live by every word in the Bible, Old Testament also, this would mean to still be sacrificing animals for your sins? Or stoning people and putting them to death for certain things? Maybe circumcising of the foreskin of the flesh?

Maybe you mean this is only about the Sabbath being on "saturday"? The Ten Commandments. I really see no problem with that. If people want to keep the "saturday" Sabbath great. Lots of unbelieving Jews, of Jesus Christ, do also. Who stay away from the New Testament.

We are under a New Covenant. This does not mean throw away the Old Testament. There is still much wisdom in the Old Testament. Though if you ONLY read the Old Testament you will have a vail over you as in 2 Corinthians 3:11-16. I very much enjoy reading the Old Testament. Though having the Spirit of Christ to guide me I can feel what is good and still applicable and things that are done away with say in the laws in the Torah. As nine out of the Ten Commandments are in the New Testament and many of the Mitzvot laws are still moral and good. Though now we in Christ are to be led by the Spirit, by grace, not every word of the law. We have God's law on our hearts. Which in one word is Love. Turn from evil and do good. Psalms 37:27, 1 Peter 3:11.

Let us stay focused on following Christ with a pure heart. Be Holy 1 Peter 1:16.

Like I've sated in a post before. I strive to keep every day Holy not just one a week. Always retaining God in my thoughts and living for Him not myself. Romans 6:11-14.

Just like you stated Trust God and He will not lead you astray. Proverbs 3:5-6.

Praise God He hath sent us His Son as His free gift of Salvation. The only way to the Father is through the Son. Jesus Christ our Lord.

God Bless and have a wonderful day.