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Romans 6:14 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Ezekiel 33:11-20

( Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 12:35-36 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 13:37-43

( John 5:26-29

( Romans 2:2-11

( Romans 6:1-2

( Romans 6:15-23

( James 2:14-20

( 1 Peter 4:16-19

( 2 Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Clarence,

What sweet questions!

To be saved is to be reconciled to God. In our present state, we are at enmity with God. God is perfect and God is just, we are sinners and fallen. But God devised a way for us to be brought back into a relationship with Him:

Romans 5:9-10: 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

You are saved by acknowledging your sin and its penalty:

All have sinned: Romans 3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

The Penalty for sin is death: Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Acknowledging that Jesus Christ died to pay for your sins.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Repenting for your sins: Luke 13:3: I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. - That is a promise.

Just tell God that you are a sinner, in need of salvation...and that you believe Jesus Christ died for you and that you want to repent of your sins and that you want Him to save you.

I will be praying for you Clarence! Dear Lord, please grant Clarence the clarity needed to come to you. Thank you that he is searching Lord, and thank you for giving Him the courage to ask these questions. I pray that he will be saved Lord, and that he will be able to rejoice in that salvation. In Jesus' name...Amen.

"saved" is the gift: Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

We were saved from all sins, past sins, present sins, and future sin the second we believed Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles during the age of grace. Which is: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Neither. I understand that the crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus was for the forgiveness of our past sins & removal of them that were held to our account. Hebrews 10:16,17: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." And, Romans 4:25: "Who (Jesus) was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." Our sins placed on Jesus at the Cross have been taken away, no longer imputed to us & we remain justified (i.e. to be declared not guilty, absolved, acquitted) from any further recourse or punishment. When God looks at us, He sees us IN Christ & clothed in His Righteousness (& not our own which could only condemn us).

Salvation, I believe is a once only event that was accomplished at the Cross & received through full faith in that Work. It can't be undone or re-given: we're either saved or not, or else, we show that we despise this great Work & count it of little worth. What you wrote, "that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ", I see that as the ongoing filling Work of the Spirit, as we continue to empty ourselves of that which hinders His Work. And when we do, He reveals to us more of Jesus, endeavouring to make us more like Him in every way. ( Ephesians 3:19, 5:18).

We are saved from our past sins,,,, we are being saved from our present sins and if we endure our own cross and overcome we shall be saved....PRAISE GOD.

Did Jesus die and resurrect to save sinners with there sin or sinners from there sin.... i believe that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ. I believe that Salvation is not the gift but is the result of the Gift... I believe that its all about Jesus its all about his Character . we are to take up our own cross and follow in his footsteps , not to say that we alone can obtain unto the High calling of Christ, for it is of him to will and to do of his good pleasure... its Christ in us the Hope of Glory , that is able to reconcile us back into an Holy and Unblameable relationship with God the Father.

We are all born Dead.... until we receive that baptism of the Holy Ghost we have no life in us that is more than the allotted time that is given to man.

My Dear Bro..... let me ask you ,,, How do you believe he did it.... we know that He never relied on any thing or anyone but his Father . Everything he did he did in accordance with and by his fathers will... He even had to submit to his Natural Parents to fulfill all righteousness . He had to be baptized By John to fulfill all righteousness. this was part of the pattern .

Baptism by Water, Baptism of the spirit and Baptism of fire... What was it he had to suffer ,

Gen 9:25 puts the curse on Canaan, Ham's Son. Thus Canaan descendants the "Canaanites" which settled in Canaan were the ones cursed by Noah. In fact when the Israelites moved into the promise land they were to remove the Canaanites due to their sexual depravity. This idea of Ham being "cursed" was one of the main reasons slavery was accepted by most Christian religions for centuries and another example of how some have used the Bible to oppressed various races down to this day.

Gen 9:24 does say Noah cursed his youngest son which would be Ham however lets reason on that statement. Is it unusual for a grandparent to consider his grandson as his son? An extension of his loins?

Gen 48:5,6 Records Jacob adopting Joseph's two sons Epharim and Manasseh saying they will become mine, but children after them will be yours...

Even Adam was called a son of God since it was through him that he came into existence. Luke 3:38

Even today a father or mother can claim their son-in-law as their son or their daughter-in-law as their daughter.

I think the most pertinent portion of Scripture on this matter, is found in 2 Corinthians 5:17-20. Others are: Colossians 1:20-22; Romans 5:10.

I see that you understand its meaning, by what you've written. And that is, through the offering up & sacrifice of His Son, God no longer charges us with our past sins, but has accepted us in through the merits of Christ alone. And the enmity that existed between us, is now gone, having been taken away, thereby bringing our hearts & spirits into a real & vital relationship with the Father. So we can joyfully say, that we have been reconciled to God through His Son, having those sins that condemned us, taken away so that God may now accept us by the peace that the Cross brings to both God & man. So one of the fruits of the Gospel, would be the reconciling of the sinner to a Holy God.

If you're referring to the account in Genesis 9:20-25, then, No, the sin of Ham wasn't sexual; he was passing by where his Father Noah was asleep because of imbibing too much, & he "saw" (i.e. he continued to gaze instead of walking away quickly) his Father's nakedness. In one sense, Ham, & his descendants, would not have been cursed, had Ham not reported this thing to his brothers. He must have described in detail what he saw to them, & Noah learned of this act, & so the curse upon Ham.

Just to add some further thoughts to Skip's very good answer to you: as shared from Romans 6:23, the committing of sin, even the smallest sin, will only reap the punishment of death (both physical & spiritual death). As people, we like to grade our sins & misdemeanours, believing that a white lie or evil thought is certainly not as severe as actually offending or hurting someone else. But God sees our behaviour differently, simply because He is Holy, without sin, never knowing sin. So He expected that His perfect creation would behave likewise, as He is. But you know the story: that didn't happen, so the sin nature was passed down the line, & we all do wrong & sin against God.

God had every right to turn His Face from his creation, to either allow us to wallow in wickedness & ultimately be consigned to Hell, or maybe, instantly destroy all mankind, so you & I wouldn't even be here today. But God had a third option: an option not from unrestrained anger seeking our destruction, but of great unfathomable Love from within Him & undeserved Mercy for a wretched people, that would seek our welfare & give us a new life & hope.

Since the only way to pay for our sin is by death (as a heinous sinful nature could only bring the death penalty), we would still have ended up in Hell. But what if someone came before the Great Judge & offered to take on our punishment & make full payment for our sin, so that we wouldn't have Hell as our destination but would be forgiven, anticipating Heaven. Who could fit the bill as the one offering Himself had to be perfect, as God is Perfect? No man could - only God Himself could. For that reason, He sent His Son, His Own precious Word made like us in the flesh, so that a full payment could be made, through His dying on the Cross in our place. But death couldn't hold Him. He arose from the grave so God could now 'justify' us (i.e. He could look at us forgiven sinners 'just as if' we had never sinned). WHY? His LOVE compelled Him to do this.

What was ham sin sexual ?

Naturally, as God in the flesh, He did the will of His Father. Not to do so would be incongruous; that is, it would be God contradicting Himself. One cannot separate the Person from the total nature of The Godhead.

The Father is fully God, but is not The Son or The Spirit.

The Son is fully God, but is not The Father or The Spirit.

The Spirit is fully God, but is not The Father or The Son.

So your question to clarify still stands:

"i would like to know is how he did it."

What do you mean by that?

All things have an order ,,, or a pattern especially in the word of God.. Even Jesus had to follow a pattern .. for he never did anything outside of the will of his father ... he always did those things that pleased his father never usurping his Authority..He would not have been able do those things he did if he had chosen to do his own will . Even in the Garden when it came time to fulfill the will of his father , he said NOT MY WILL BUT THY WILL BE DONE. He is the Cheif cornerstone of the temple , whitch temple we are , for his spirit abides in us .

All through the scripture i see the process of God reconciling man back into a wright relationship with him...

there are many scriptures that describe being reconciled ,, i would leave it up you to choose them in the context of what it means .

The first four books of he new test,,,,, three tell us of Christ and what was accomplished the fourth the book of John tells us more about how it was accomplished ,, i could be wrong but that s what i see..

I've never heard of the Gospel of Reconciliation. Do you have a Scripture for this?

Your mentioning of that lovely hymn, urged me to listen to it again on YT. I remember listening to it (on a record player) as a youngster, that hymn sung by George Beverly Shea (now with the Lord). He was a powerful singer & a mighty servant of God, touching many hearts through his music & testimony, often sharing the platform with Billy Graham.

Praise God for the Truths you & Steve have shared from God's Word.

Steve,

I'm not sure that "We all know what Jesus accomplished." I think that lots of people have written lots of books on just that topic over the past 2,000 years. But to mention just a few that come to mind from Colossians:

"we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins"

"by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him"

"having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself"

"you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses"

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross"

"And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it"

Just to site a few.

But what do you mean by, "how He did it?"

Can you be more specific what you're looking for?

When "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us," He laid aside His Divine prerogatives or privileges. Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men," says that He emptied Himself, but not of His divinity. There was a song many decades ago called, "He Could Have Called Ten-thousand Angels." Instead, "He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

Jesus had a human nature but He also had a divine nature. He was fully human and fully divine. He had no sin nature as we do. He did many things by His own power as well as relying of The Father and The Spirit. He had ALL His divine attributes.

We all know what jesus accomplished ... what i would like to know is how he did it. ???????????????

What is the gospel of reconciliation ????

Mankind was cursed the day Adam chose to be his own God,

Jesus overcame the curse, he was tempted in all points such as we are yet without sin,

He always did those things which pleased his father.

Jesus never gave himself to the lusts of the flesh, the lust of the eyes or the pride of life.

HE NEVER KNEW INIQUITY,

Ironic that Even Jesus could not accomplish what he did with out the spirit of his father abiding in him..

Beatrice,

"Why is the shedding of blood need for the taking away sin"

Because the principle established in Eden was a life for life. "the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23. "for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof" Leviticus 17:14, God has instructed us that blood is sacrosanct, that is, it has meaning beyond function.

Sinful Adam and Eve covered themselves with a lesser species of creation, as did sinful Satan. By the grace of God, he gave them a temporary acceptable covering, reflecting to Adam and Eve that his justice will be

done. "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin" Romans 5:12. In Eden it was God who demonstrated death for Adam and Eve and established the meaning of a blood sacrifice. The works of man has

no standing in God's performance of absolute justice.

Hi Sheryl, I second what Mild Bill said, and to add to that, If a person is living in sin he or she might want to examine themselves, they shouldn't be in bondage to sin. Romans 6:1-6. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 8:10-15. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Thanks

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