Bible Discussion Replies PAGE 2015

(Remember ye now O man and consider: The Fear of THE LORD, given of GOD by the Son of man on the Sabbath day: one thousand one hundred ninety and nine Sabbath days past: and forget not 2 Esdras 15.) Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. O people: If you will not observe to do all the words of this law that are written, that you may fear this glorious and fearful name, MICHAEL ISAAC, THE LORD THY GOD, even the CHRIST child; then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful and the plagues of thy seed: even great plagues and of long continuance: and sore sicknesses and of long continuance. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: I commanded all men everywhere to repent that your sins may be blotted out. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Man that dug down my alters and covered my memorials: and attempted to corrupt my Word to oppress my people; have violated exceedingly more than any copyright! I AM he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I AM alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

God is your shield and he protects you night and day. I pray that he sends a good and faithful friend to you, to be a helper and

comforter with you in all your struggles. I send all demons that have been harrassing you to be bound in chains and sent to the abyss now by the authority of Jesus name. I ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and comfort you and be with you always. in Jesus name.

Hi Tegan,

Have you read Psalm 22? Also Psalm 42 and 43

David describes a situation similar to yours, and it is always encouraging when we can sense others have been where we are...

Prayers and courage to you!

Thanks Chris, That's very clear.

Genesis came to mind. The creation account clearly gives us the earth surrounded by water, above the firmament and below. Of course we now have a scientific paradigm that tells us the opposite. They both cannot possibly be correct and yet for quite some time now professed bible believers have mutilated the inspired word in their efforts to conform with the scientific world view. If you have the courage study the word firmament, it reveals the true nature of Gods creation.

Sandra, I do agree with what you've said about the 'law of commandments contained in ordinances', that the reference here is not to the Ten Commandments but to those other laws pertaining to sacrifices, new moons, sabbaths, etc., but not just these only, but all the Law was fully met by Jesus & then abrogated at the Cross.

"The Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good", but its usefulness, effectiveness & applicability became redundant at the Cross. For sin, taking its authority from the commandment, 'slew' Paul, because that was all the Law could do. What Paul hoped that the Law would give him life, instead only brought him death. So he said that "with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Was Paul saying that he was still going back to God's Laws, obeying in them in his mind & allowing his flesh to sin? No. In the very next verses he says in Romans 8:1-4: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." The Law of sin & death (the Ten Commandments & not just the Law contained in Ordinances, but the whole) which slew him, he now rejected, but rather a new Law of the Spirit had taken its place & brought him freedom & power to fulfil the righteousness of the Law.

And Galatians 3:19, as you quoted, doesn't refer to the Ordinances but to the Law - indeed that whole Chapter 3 is devoted to pointing the believers from depending on the 'works of the Law' to the application of faith through the Spirit.

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Romans 2:14,15 clearly show that the Law was never in our possession & we've never been subject to them. And then when the Gentiles became believers, the only instruction given was, not that any of the commandments given to the Jews be followed, but as per Acts 15:19,20: "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

Rather, our directive can never be from the Law given to Israel, because "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." ( Romans 8:2). If the Life-giving Spirit freed a Jewish Paul from the bondage of the Law, how much more to us Gentiles, who never received the Law, are only subject to the Spirit's directions in our lives.

Again, thank you for bringing up those very worthy points.

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Thank you for your comments Steven, on this important subject. If I may add some thoughts here:

a. "They don't view the ten commandments as our schoolmaster to show us our short comings, and a need for a savior but rather they're instructions to salvation". Indeed, some do look at salvation in this way, but I think generally, Christians who have been taught properly, don't see that obedience to the Commandments are necessary for salvation, rather, that after being saved, they revert back to it, or fuse it with saving faith, believing God requires to almost use it like a checklist to be on track & to please Him. See how much of an issue Sabbath-keeping is with some. But as you indicated, all that does is bring us back into bondage to the Law.

b. "Did Jesus struggle to resist sin as we do?" This may be difficult to answer but I rather believe that at his temptation with Satan ( Matthew 4:1-11) & very likely throughout His earthly ministry, Satan would have continued to come at Him: and this was to force sin upon Him so a sin nature may be born in Him. I say this, as we see that the first Adam was born without a sin nature, but he failed to resist Satan, & he inherited a nature given to sin & death eventually followed. So when we read that "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" ( Romans 5:12), the fact we too die is proof of the sin nature being transmitted, rather than the import of any specific sins of Adam.

c. "we were transgressors before the commandments, and when the commandments came we died because we became sin." I tend to make a clear demarcation between those given the Law & those who haven't received it. Certainly, we are privileged to have the Bible so we can learn more fully of God's requirements, but if we're not Jews, how are the Laws, then & now, applicable to Gentiles?

Im so sorry for you Patricia ,i have no idea what you are going through but you must know that where ever you are God and Jesus are right in that room with you right now ,they are holding your hand and they wont let go of you for one second ,trust in their love ,they will get you through this .

Romans 8:28, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

The Apostle Paul's affirmation that to a child of God, all things (whether of good or ill) work together according to God's Plan for us, for our good & blessing. So, even if something appears hurtful or a tragedy in life, we know that God is mindful of our physical suffering but has allowed it for a purpose, maybe just to draw us closer to Him & trust Him more for the future. Gold can only be refined through extreme heat, but the refining process is not a single event but multiple, until all the dross is removed. As God's children, we have to accept the good with the bad, knowing that it's for our growth in Christ & for His Glory as we are witnesses for Him in difficult circumstances.

One can't be sure how those people in the days of Noah understood the passing of years - maybe some sort of record was kept for each day of one's life, & though a tedious job, the information would have been carried forward to succeeding generations. Moses, who generally is considered to have recorded the events of Genesis, somehow gained information on the length of days of those who lived pre & post Flood. However, it wasn't until God's direction to Israel to observe certain rules, such as not eating leavened bread on a particular day (Exodus chap 12) & then concerning the Sabbath, the day of rest, did a type of calendar follow & this was maintained strictly, lest they suffered God's Anger for their disobedience.

Jews use a calendar based on a lunar (moon) cycle whereas we have one based on the Sun. So the amount of days in their months vary slightly but they still have 12 months in the year. Some of their months have 29 days & others, 30 days. Just as their day officially starts at sunset, these are important along with their calendar so as to strictly observe their religious holidays, feasts & festivals. But they have to abide with our Gregorian calendar as well, if they are to align their worldly affairs with other countries.

As to the date of Jesus' birth, no one can be sure as no date has been recorded or given. Suggestions of dates from as early as September to as late as March have been offered after considering various events, Roman govt. in power, Herod's rule, etc., but no one can find agreement on a date. Though interestingly, the early apostolic Church is never recorded as celebrating Jesus' Birth or Resurrection on any particular date: rather, whenever they met to break bread, they remembered the Lord in His Coming & His Sacrifice. Might be worth noting.

We often get questions on whether Jesus could have committed sin, some believe he had a sin nature but was just obedient, and all we have to be obedient and trust in Christ and we shall be saved, ( In that order, SANCTIFICATION AND THEN SALVATION AFTER THAT. ) They don't view the ten commandments as our schoolmaster to show us our short comings, and a need for a savior but rather they're instructions to salvation. But how can they be instructions for salvation if they were impossible to keep being we have this cursed sin nature? If you can keep all the commandments why is there a need to be born again? If we are not born with a sin nature why are we baptized in Jesus death? Did Jesus struggle to resist sin as we do? Better yet did struggle with doing the right thing as we do? ""NO"". If we go to hell it will be because we didn't believe in he who was promised to come 430 years before the commandments, because we was transgressors before the commandments, and when the commandments came we died because we became sin. Jesus came to take the PENALTY of sin "which is death" off us and placing it on himself and defeating death when he rose from the dead! so if we was baptized in his death we should walk in newness of life by his resurrection, So sanctification comes after salvation. Man isn't a sinner because he committed a sin, Man commits sin because he is a sinner. ( EXAMPLE) You take a man biting dog and tie him up. he's now unable to bite is he still a man biting dog? The ability of man able to sin makes him imperfect and unholy apart from Jesus Christ. So if you want to be judged by your achievements you're still in bondage, if you trust in Christ you are freed. Thank you.

You're welcome Mark, May God bless you in your spiritual growth.

These are not the 4 horseman. These are the army used to destroy Mystery Babylon and the Babylonian system within 1 hour. It's not a standing army, rather 200 mega ton hypersonic missiles; TNT. Compare with Joel 2:4-11 day of The Lord description of these weapons.

It is only by accepting the true doctrine of Jesus christ that one can receive eternal life.

As faith without works is dead not only should we say with our mouth that Jesus is lord but we must do the will of God as Jesus did the will of his father who sent him...put our faith into action bearing light/witness of our persuation so others be pursuaded.... 2Timothy 2:6 the husband man that lanoureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

Why are you guys saying stoning to death is just a spiritual death? Wouldn't the Bible say that and not left for us to interpret a different meaning? Maybe it's time I don't read the discussions anymore. We people make something more out of nothing.

Some churches preach to this day that Jesus abolished the Ten Commandments when He died on the cross. They proclaim this assumption by using Ephesians 2:15 as their basis of evidence, which says. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;..." The obvious truth here is, that the verse states that it was the Commandments contained in ORDINANCES that was abolished at the cross. Not the Ten Commandments contained in stone. The passage in Colossians 2:14-17 has also been used to preach the Commandments abolished. But if you read it you will find it was, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances", again that is mentioned in that passage. According to the Word of God, these ordinances were "added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" ( Galatians 3:19) It's rather clear to see here that the "commandments contained in ordinances" were added by Moses for a specific reason. If we read the passage again we see it also states these ordinances were only added TILL the seed should come. And who was this seed according to Scripture? Galatians 3:16 boldly proclaims, "thy seed, which is Christ."

The commandments contained in ordinances were added by Moses thousands of years ago as a way to prepare the people for the FIRST arrival of Messiah. They showed their faith in the coming Messiah by keeping the ordinances on a regular basis. When Jesus died on the cross, the ordinances were no longer needed because he fulfilled them by all He did while visiting us as Messiah. The "ordinances" were a series holy days, new moons, and Sabbath days that were to be considered a "shadow of things to come." The word "ordinance" is NOT the same as the word "commandment." where in the Ten Commandments does it speak of "meat and drink?" Nowhere do we find such statements in the Law of God.

I am interested in your thoughts on 'hell'. You said, "that Hell does not exist in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Latin". So if you read Psalm 16:10 & Psalm 139:8 which, of course mentions 'hell', what Hebrew word, in your studies, is applicable there. I understand it as 'sheol', but you may have another word or meaning for it.

Then in the NT, we have Matthew 10:28 & Luke 16:23, where the word for 'hell', is understood to be 'geenne', or Gehenna in Matthew, and 'ade' or Hades, in Luke's reference. I see that all of these references (OT & NT) depict a place & state of suffering. And if these are translated from the original manuscripts, I would be interested to learn what you are reading, the words used & the manuscripts they are derived from, as this can be very perplexing to us who are confined to the Bibles we have now.

And as a result of this, what is your understanding of a place of eternal suffering for the wicked: whether such a state even exists of which the Bible declares.

Thank you so much for replying to comment i greatly appreciate it and I'm still learning and trying to learn more everyday as I've recently gave my life to the lord

I agree with you, that just by the reading of that portion of Scripture, one could wonder what angered Noah. However, for Noah to have become angry there must be more to the story that we're not given.

We only know that Ham walked by Noah's opened tent 'door' & saw his father in that state of drunkenness & nakedness. He then recounted what he saw, to his brothers, who then went & covered up their father without looking at him. No doubt Noah would have then enquired about this other covering on him & maybe woke up because of the commotion going on. He might have learned the details of Ham's 'more than a casual glance' at him & therefore was angered by his son's behaviour. Of course, nothing is said of Noah's bad behaviour by imbibing too much & displaying himself after being overly warmed by the wine. But I guess the rest of the story is to show why Ham was cursed for this act & the fallout for his descendants.

I fully agree David. But whose DNA do you think Jesus would have had? A completely new, specific to a new creation-type of DNA, or from Mary? I'm thinking: was Jesus' DNA comparable to Adam's DNA in that completely new creation of God? Or, if Jesus had DNA or genetic markers from Mary, how then does the sin nature through her bear upon Him? These maybe rhetorical questions, as can one give conclusive answers?

In this passage in Matthew, Jesus is speaking about judgement, specifically of judging one another. In verse 3, the challenge is to those (maybe most of us), who are quick to judge someone else, before first considering whether we are without sin & qualified to do so. So the "mote in thy brother's eye" speaks about us finding a small dry stalk (Gk. karphos) of sin in another person, when there is very likely a "beam" (Gk. dokon, a log, a timber beam) that is prominent in our own lives. The fact that Jesus picks upon the eye as the target, suggests that we stare at the person with conviction & judgement, finding fault based on our own perceptions, rather than closing our eyes & having a good look at ourselves first before speaking & casting judgement.

And to make matters worse, that judgemental person even has the gall to suggest that he helps the other one to remove that sin from him, when rather, he should attend to his own faults first (vv 4,5). And to this sin, the Jewish leaders were guilty of. An old story shows this truth clearly:

"A small-town baker bought his butter from a local farmer. One day he weighed the butter and concluded that the farmer had been reducing the amount in the packages but charging the same price. So the baker accused the farmer of fraud & took him to court.

In court the judge asked the farmer, "Do you have measuring weights?" "No sir," replied the farmer.

"How then do you manage to weigh the butter that you're selling to others?"

The farmer answered, "When the baker began buying his butter from me, I thought, 'that's nice of him - I'd better get my bread from him'. So I have been using his one pound loaf as the weight for the butter I sell. Sir, if the weight of the butter is wrong, he has only himself to blame & the error does not lie with me." I think you get Jesus' message to us.

Hi Jocelyn, Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: Now lets start here, If God tells them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, God knows they can't do that with just Cain, Seth, and Abel. He would have to have blessed them with daughters, Have you noticed noone ever ask that about Seth or Abel? I believe it's because Cain went out and dwelt in the lad of nod after he killed Abel, and the think he found a wife from a pryor creation, but they forget God told Adam and Eve to replenish the earth it wasn't already replenished. Lets look carefully at when Cain went away, I think we may have a clue. Genesis 4:14-17 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, (that every one that findeth me shall slay me).

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain,( lest any finding him should kill him.)

And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

(And Cain knew his wife;) and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. It seems there were already people other than Cain and Abel, and I take the position Cain already have his wife, they could have been hundreds of years old, we are sure Adam and Eve had daughters, and Possibly Abel, One thing for sure, She's either his sister or his niece, Maybe someone else can provide more insight, I hope that helps.

In Ezekiel 35 God compared Israel to what Farm Aminal

And not only dwelling with the wicked, but living in the flesh. For the tongue is a fiery member and cannot be tamed. Out of it comes blessing and cursing. This should not be as Paul tells us. Christ can cover you in righteousness to not only forgive you this sin, but send His Holy Spirit to tame this fiery member.

Hi Danae, we read here the final words of the risen Jesus speaking to John, concluding with this great invitation. This invitation is to all people, those from Jesus' day ( John 4:9-15): "living water' = "water of life" to all people since that time. And this invitation has always been open to all, all of us who are sinners, that we are to come to Him, to the foot of the Cross, whereby we may find that shed blood to cleanse us from all sin & that "living water" that brings refreshment to our parched & spiritually thirsty hearts. His teaching to the Samaritan woman was that of 'well water' (physical water) that at best can only satisfy us physically & in the short term. But His Water (the spiritual water) is not from a 'well dug into the ground', but from the 'well' deep within the believer continually 'bubbling over & over', bringing deep satisfaction, quenching our thirst & giving assurance of our faith & of everlasting life.

But "why does God give us a choice since He is Sovereign?" Man has always had the power to choose, usually unwisely (I think of the first bad choice made by Adam & Eve). But when it comes to receiving salvation, even though God already knows our response to the Gospel & His Spirit's call (tug) on our hearts, the invitation is always there, because a response is required. If the Gospel is to be preached for a sinner to be saved, that sinner must first sense the Spirit's conviction of that sin & that either produces true repentance or a disregard to it. If that person is appointed to eternal life (according to God's foreknowledge of that person), that conviction in him, must produce something, or else he is merely a machine (robot). We are humans that involuntarily respond to all kinds of situations; & to sin's conviction, we cry out to God for forgiveness & when God sees that torn, wretched soul seeking its hope only in Christ, salvation is granted & permanent. Yes, God is sovereign but He requires our response to His invitation ( Rev 22:17).

Please pray for me I am at the point where I beg God every night that I wake up in heaven. But... I am still here. Thank you and God bless you.

Hi Mark.. Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. This should be what you're looking for, and there is several more scriptures on this.

AMEN!!!! Asaph's Psalm...I'm just SO thankful that the Psalmists of the LORD's had problems with people that suffer from the same spiritual disEase today that they did back then. Satan LOATHES his OWN children! For if he loved them, as he lies to say he does, wouldn't he want not them to suffer, but to spend eternity...above? In Hell there will be torment--it was made for him, NOT THEM. But many snared by this serpent...will be burning forever...as him. Like father...like daughter. Like son, like mom.... But that is to say--the opposite is true for SOME! Surely I know examples, and the LORD GOD's Son teaches us this: "And a man's enemies, shall be..." from whence?

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I am trying to find the rest of this Romans bible quote.

God promises to make something good out of the storms that bring..... and that's all I remember. I saw this quote on Facebook and my iPad turned off. I just remember Romans...