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It appears you are being tossed to a fro by the doctrines of men (twisting Scripture), rather the doctrine of Christ. We would have to spend hours discussing and reading the Scriptures to straighten out some of what is concerning you. Not enough space. First, if you can speak out-loud that Jesus Christ is Lord! And, Jesus Christ is your Saviour! And, that you have Faith and Belief in Him. In His Death and Resurrection - then you are saved. I am paraphrasing Romans Chapter 10:9. Your walk is now with Him, and your perfection is in Him. You (and all the rest of use) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And, we will continue that battle for our entire earthly existence. It is Him who saves, and not a single good thing you do - saves you, as He has completed and finished it all. For His good pleasure. Take a deep breath and pray to God, Our Lord Jesus Christ, to guide you through these times in the wilderness. You are not lost, you are Saved, and just searching for a deeper truth in Him. Begin to read all of Paul's writings. Remember to read whom these letters are writing to: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, Philemon, Titus, 1 and 2 Timothy. As with all the Scripture it is written FOR us, but not all is written TO us. Some writings are specifically to Moses, the Israelites, and others in the Scripture. We can certainly learn from them about God, who He is, and how He works, but they are not TO us, they are FOR our edification. It is no different as an example. You have some nice folks, Rich and Georgia (May God Bless You Both), who replied to your post. Now, my post is written FOR everyone to read (and, Rich and Georgia might read this post and it is edifying to them), but it was written specifically to My Sister in Christ - Claire. Not enough space May God Love You and Bless You and Strengthen You throughout all of your days. Rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Claire, the Spirit grace you with his understanding, two verses you quoted go along way in understanding baptism. Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. If you are baptized into natural water you put on natural water. If you are baptized into living water, (which is Christ) you have put on life (which is Christ). I peter 1:23 Being born again not of corruptible (flesh) seed, but of incorruptible (Spirit) seed, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth (in you) for ever. When you spend you time in the written word the written word becomes the truth of life (Spirit). You are baptized into the Word, which is Christ.

Thank you for your reply, your advice, and your prayers Rebecca.

May God bless you and your family :)

Thank you for your reply and your advice Victoria.

May God bless you and your family :)

Hello Richard,

Thank you for your reply, and yes, I have confessed as many of my sins as I can remember to Jesus and accepted him into your heart. I also keep telling are newest church member 1st John 1 vs 9 if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I have managed to overcome some of my sins (By the grace of God !!!) like it says in James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. I am glad that you say that it is normal for me to still struggle with some of my sins, and that the gifts of the holy spirit are for everyone, because I strongly believe this too.

I pray morning & night most days, & I also read specific scriptures on here or read my Bible most days too or listen to the King James version online. I try not to put myself in situations where I am tempted, I have cut ties with all of my non Christian friends, but it's hard sometimes because I see my mum and my daughter 7 days a week and I feel like I am constantly tripping myself up by talking to them about the the lack of reassurance that I feel like I get from people at church. I know this is wrong and I feel like a hypocrite, but I'm struggling to break the habit. As for tongues, the pastor from my old church spoke in tongues now and then when he prayed for me about my depression and anxiety (which is what lead me to church in the first place), and by the grace of God, I eventually overcome it. A few people there had the gift of tongues, but I only ever witnessed my pastor doing it. I do feel like I have discernment about people at church, because they celebrate Christmas and other holidays which are NOT biblical and it says in Jeremiah chapter 10 Learn not the way of the heathen.

Thank you for you and your wife praying for me. God bless you and your family. :)

Hi David. Thank you for your previous input. While I think you make some strong and valid points, I am not sure I have a good understanding of your position on this so I hope you don't mind if I ask a question:

If at some point in the future a Christian professing person who has repented from his past sins were to fall short and knowingly commit another sin, what would you suggest are his current options/possibilities for gaining acceptance by God?

Thanks in advance.

The Lord God will forgive anyone in the flesh until they die if they ask from their heart and truly are sorry for the sins they have done. Now the sin for murder for gain is very serious and it's something you don't want to do and then there is the set aside ones that will Stand up when the false Messiah, antichrist comes anyway they the elect will make a stand against the false instead of Christ that the people have been deceived by because the world believed that this first Jesus with supernatural powers is God returned and are worshipping Satan in Satans deception but not the elect and when they stand the Holy Spirit speaks through them and if they refuse the Holy Spirit and don't that is the unpardonable sin. When the elect make the stand listen to what they say. Don't be deceived from Satan booted to earth and standing in Jerusalem claiming he is God.

REVELATION 20:4 ... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded (by truth, sword of God)... There is sin in deception (flesh) and no sin in truth (Spirit). Galatians 2:20 I (the flesh) am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live (but am dead); yet not I (because I am dead), but Christ (Spirit of God) liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh (which is dead) I live by the faith (not my faith because I am dead) of the Son of God (Spirit). Colossians 3:3-4 For ye are dead (can the dead sin), and your life is (become the life of the Spirit) hid with Christ in God. (vs) 4 When Christ (in Spirit, in truth), who is our life (Spirit) shall appear (be revealed), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (God). Ephesians 1:22-23 And (the Father) hath put ALL things under his feet, and gave him to be head (because we have been beheaded) over ALL things to the church (your body), (vs) 23 Which is his body (because you are dead), the fullness of him (the Spirit of God) that filleth ALL IN ALL. Colossians 1:18 And he is the head (because you have been beheaded by the sword of God, truth) of the body, the church, the firstborn from the dead (but you were resurrected with him into life)..... Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you (because the carnal head is dead, beheaded by the sword of God, truth) which was also in Christ Jesus (now the new head).......

Claire You are putting to many things on what you must do, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved Acts 16 vs 31. Believe and be saved, seek first his kingdom and all these things will be given to you. Matt 6 vs 33 seek him first then all other things will be given to you, your going through a lot right now it seems, come to me all who labor are heavy laden and I will give you rest Matt 11 vs 28 -30. Seek him first rest in him. We are and will continue to pray for you Clarie

Respectfully

Rich and Georgia

Question: how is the seven generations in verse three explained, when the time of captivity was seventy years?

Thanks.

David,

Have you ever had one single moment of doubt? Is there no distinction in your mind between the flesh and the spirit? Are you so sure it's wise to be casting aspersions on another's profession of faith just because they are confessing their faults to you?

In Christ,

Nathan Samuel

I changed my mind and will address questions here one last time, Adam. Why didn't I address other verses you mentioned? Why go deeper into scripture when we have yet to resolve the simple truth that salvation frees from sin. We are on opposite sides of a basic truth that you must be saved from sin or you are still lost. You would not see the truth in what the scriptures say unless you are saved from sin. It all hinges on this. You claim salvation in sin and I claim you can be saved FROM sin.

You want an answer on supposed contradictions on my salvation from sin yet I had to repent. I did sin up until age 25, which is how old I was when I got saved from sin through repentance of sins I had done in the past. That's what is required, to repent to be saved. I never said I had never sinned, just that after salvation I sin no longer. So no contradiction there.

As for believing in Jesus, even devils believe He exists. But you are not obeying Him if you will not get saved from sin. Salvation requires repentance where one aspect of it is sorrow for sins committed and a willingness to forsake and never do the sins again.

Parting thought: think of the attitude of the Jews that hated Jesus enough to falsify statements to sentence Him to death on the cross. They hated Jesus and His proclaiming we had to be free from sin. These religious leaders hated Christ and His authority, His messages of truth, and the threat He was to their false teachings, their power, and their money from profit in handling the church as a business. These Jewish leaders loved power over lost souls and embraced false teachings. They hated Him enough to kill Him. Jews and in fact nobody is automatically saved from sin. Unless you repent of your sin, and stop sinning, you die lost.

Hell is a place of torment a place of weeping in crying a place that sinners go to i they dont repent. Hell is a place of neasing theeth. Hell is eternial. In hell their is fire that burns people skin.

Hi Rich,

My pastor said that the most important thing to bear in mind is that scripture interprets scripture and that the context is important too. He said that the scripture's that I showed him are often misunderstood, and don't mean what I think they mean. He said that salvation cannot be lost, just like God's promises cannot be broken. I think the fact that I have not been baptised yet and that I am the only Christian in my family is also adding to my uncertainty. It says in

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I think the fact that nobody from my church believes that that the spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues are for all Christians, and that those gifts were only for Jesus disciples. The church that I went to previously had a number of people that speak in tongues, so because I disagree with that, I just feel unsure if he is wrong about these scriptures too.

Also, I am sure that I have read that we can no longer sin once we have been saved, yet I have used curse words a few times and taken the name of the Lord are God in vain since becoming a Christian mostly in my head, but also out loud on a few occasions.

Hi Ken Reeder,

Many believe that it took Noah about 100 years to build the ark, (with the help of his three sons).

Noah was commissioned to build the ark by God at approximately the same time his three sons were born (not triplets), look at Genesis 5:32, 6:10-14.

Noah was 600 years old when the ark was finished ( Genesis 7:6).

Genesis is an amazing book, one of my personal favorites!

Blessings

So how is then that David asks God to cleans him from secret sins Link

And what does it mean that those that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin Link

And of course 1 John 1:8 Link

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

This issue of sanctification is not so neat and to me for one to speak of ceasing from sin without delving into the aforementioned and the verses that speak to the security of the believer throughout John's Gospel do risk a myopic approach to the whole thing.

jhmo

Hello David,

Just a couple simple questions to see what you're believing:

Do you believe there is no such thing as right and wrong, good and bad, or sins and fruits anymore? Which twists everything. As satan loves to do.

Or do you you believe you are perfect now, in the eyes of God, as Jesus Christ was?

Thank you.

I have no more comment on this subject.

Hello David, thanks for your response. It's interesting how I shared a mountain of scriptures, but you seemed to disregard and not comment on them. All you have to do is hover over them to see what the Bible verse says.

But I noticed you just changed your position.

Before you said "if you are sinning still, you are not saved." However, in your last post you wrote something that seems to contradict itself. "I truly feel sorry for you. You have been sold a lie. So too has most of this world been sold the lie you cannot stop sinning."

Then you wrote "I will stand firm on what I said that I am free from sin because of applying the blood of Jesus through repentance, salvation, and sanctification."

But if you're already perfect and sinless why what would you need to repent from? And what would you need to be sanctified from? You already said you're sinless, so what you said contradicts itself, unless you believe you in fact do continue to sin and need to repent and be sanctified of it. So, which do you believe?

You also said some false statements: "You choose not to believe Him. You have been given false teaching that you can't be free now."

Why would you assume I don't believe in Jesus Christ? I've read the Bible directly and quoted the Bible directly so why do you assume I was given a false teaching? A teaching from who? The Bible, or you?

Hello Claire

ok, Please just slow down a little bit. OK we are going to try and give you some answers, If you have confessed your sins to Jesus and accepted him into your heart you are saved, so when you start to doubt and i mean immediately remember 1st John 1 vs 9 if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Please memorize that verse that is your best defense against the attacks on your mind by satan, in the book of James it says resist the devil and he will flee from you. i have gone through attacks from satan and I still remind him that my sins are forgiven, Baptisim is important our Lord Jesus told us it was but not being baptized does not mean you are not saved but get baptized as soon as you can because it will help with a public confession of faith. I was an addict for many years and that was after knowing Christ and i still struggle with it, we all have our struggles so yes that is normal. The gifts of the holy spirit are for everyone and not everyone gets the same gifts. God answers

prayer without a doubt and frequently the answer is no or wait but if it is good for you and his will then it will get answered when the time is right, because Gods timing is never wrong. Remember everything in the bible is true and correct God cannot lie if you ask for forgiveness you get it, repentance is also important I don't know what sins with but don't put yourself in situations where you should not be, I.e I don't go around certain people because i know for a fact that drugs could be there I don't fool myself that i can be around that and not fall, I tried that and failed so stay away from situations and people who could trip you up. You brought up tongues be wary of people who speak it but don't do it the way we are instructed to in the bible it says 2 or 3 and most and only if someone is there to interpret. Next read the bible daily and pray for discernment. My wife and I are praying for you

You likely will disagree, but Romans 7 that tells us about Paul, the chapter was written in present tense but was in fact reflecting back to Paul's past. It was his testimony of what he was before receiving salvation on the road to Damascus. Before Paul had received salvation he did struggle. Before he was sanctified, again there was struggles internally. Only after Paul was saved from sin and was sanctified to remove his carnal nature did the struggle cease. Yes he was saved FROM sin or God could not have used him to preach as he did.

When I got saved, I had to follow the sinless path Jesus made for us by His example. I did so willingly as it was required by God. Both to be sin free or to remain in sin are choices. If you wanted to be free from sin, you could do so now. IF you get saved. Salvation is only complete and true if you stop sinning.

If you choose to believe you will sin until you die, I truly feel sorry for you. You have been sold a lie. So too has most of this world been sold the lie you cannot stop sinning. Most did not believe Jesus while He was on Earth, so why should it have changed much since.

You have made your choice to live what you believe and so have I. I choose to believe God that I must be saved from sin now. You choose not to believe Him. You have been given false teaching that you can't be free now.

OK that is all the comments I will offer. As mentioned, I will stand firm on what I said that I am free from sin because of applying the blood of Jesus through repentance, salvation, and sanctification. If you want to make Heaven your home, you must do the same. If you fall short of freedom from sin here, you cannot enter Heaven later.

How long did it take to build the ark ?

Mishael,

It may be that the book of Genesis is discussed every day on this web site is because people care about and are curious of the topics that are covered.

The first mention of the Messiah (Jesus, our Lord and Savior) is in Genesis 3:15, and contains the main reason why He was sent; to defeat death which is the Devil.

God did write a book explaining creation, it can be found in Genesis. It is our choice to believe it or not. What I can say for certain is that the Bible is not at odds with Archaeology. Nor is the Bible at odds with science; those issues are left for man, and usually come up between believers and non-believers. The book of Genesis and the Bible as a whole, reinforces Archaeology as well as all the rules of science.

There is no problem to anybody if YOU want to wait until you get to heaven to find out the things you are less interested in concerning Scripture. But why should you care if someone wants to talk about creation?

If the main topic you are concerned with is being born again, that topic is also discussed every day on this web site without any issue.

It seems as though a few of the "regulars" on this site feel the need to monitor and police the various comments; and then offer their righteous evaluation of other peoples' misinterpretations.

We all have a right to comment without condemnation....

'sorta like sin'

Hi David,

If you believe you're perfect and sinless like Jesus, that would be contrary to: Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23.

Ephesians 4:32 - says be kind and tenderhearted and forgive others like Christ has forgiven you, but if you have to be 100% perfect as a Christian why would it say that? Are you suggesting that you've been 100% perfect and sinless since becoming a Christian? For example, you have never lied or quarreled or raised your voice at anyone and have always forgiven others for their sins?

If you believe you've been 100% perfect and sinless, which even Paul wasn't able to do, then aside from Jesus you're the first and only human to be perfectly sinless after becoming a Christian? Just as a warning this could be the sin of pride Proverbs 16:5 and 2 Timothy 3:2.

Matthew 5:48 - Jesus said to strive to be perfect and obey his commands John 14:15, but that doesn't mean you must be perfect to be saved. Ephesians 2:8. That also doesn't mean you have an excuse to sin intentionally.

Matthew 12:31 - Jesus clearly said only blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only sin that won't be forgiven. So, if your point is the NO sins are forgiven after you become a Christian then why would Jesus say this to everyone (including his Christian followers) that all sins ARE forgiven but this one?

Paul admits in Romans 7:15 that he deeply struggles with the flesh and sin. Does that mean you think the man who write the most books of the Bible and was the top evangelist for Christianity went to hell?

My belief is that you don't earn heaven by being perfect. You are saved by believing Jesus, confessing and repenting of your sin and actively following Jesus. You try to avoid sin to the absolute best of your ability, but it doesn't mean you'll be perfect. It in fact says we are all imperfect, but if we're genuinely following Jesus then we're covered by grace as we progress in our life as a Christian. It doesn't mean the grace erases sin, but we will be forgiven if we're a Christian following Jesus. Jesus shares a great parable about sin and forgiveness in Matthew 18.

Matthew 12:36-37 - Jesus sets the bar very, very high with every word you speak to others, your thoughts, and if you even look at a woman. Matthew 5:28. Am I supposed to believe your the first person since Jesus to ever do this perfectly and that you're 'earning' heaven? Congratulations, but I think you're in for a surprise, because that's not what the Bible says and above are just a few of the Bible verses that prove that. I'm offering this in kindness to offer a different perspective to a Christian brother. God bless.

Chris, Adam, and everyone else:

The comments I have made are based on truth and on the Bible. If you don't want to believe what I have said, that is your choice. Jesus did die to save us from sin here on Earth. This means we don't continue to sin after we've been saved. Sinning christians will not go to Heaven. By the way, Christian is mentioned 3 times in the New Testament. The title saint is used more than that in the Bible. Yes one that is saved from sin by the applying of the blood of Jesus is a saint through repentance, even here on Earth now.

So look at it this way, if you are right that we cannot stop sinning until the Judgement Day, you and I both will make it to Heaven. If however I am right and you needed to be sin free after salvation, you cannot enter but I would. Why don't you ask God honestly and sincerely to reveal where you are with Him now? Your actions do count for or against you for where you end up eternally.

Final thought; what is the difference in one that never repents of sin and one that claims salvation but sins still? Actually God sees these 2 as being in the same spiritual condition...lost. That is why I said the Old Testament sacrifice is considered by you as the same as Jesus, because He supposedly cannot save you from sin.

Yester Vue,

Interesting thoughts on the days of creation.

Many believe that the light that was upon the earth for the first three days of God's creative work was the light of God Himself. As the sun, moon, and stars, were not created by God until the fourth day.

Hello my brothers and sisters,

"But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use and persecute you."

"Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."

"For with the same measure that ye mete with it shall be measured to you again."

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Praise the Lord! "In all thy ways acknowledge Him." God Bless!

That's fine Adam if you choose to believe falseness over truth. You, and all of us really, are in one of two categories, those that have repented and received salvation from sin, and stop sinning here on Earth by the power of Jesus, or those that continue to sin until the Judgement Day. You have been taught that you can be saved and sin, but whoever taught you that is a liar. If you cannot cease from sin with the blood of Jesus applied upon salvation, there was not any change in you. So the reference to the earlier thought some think the blood of Jesus and His sacrifice is the same as bulls and goats does in fact apply truthfully.

And as I told Chris, you will be reminded by God at Judgement Day you read the message a saint named David wrote warning you to consider your soul. Salvation and sanctification require you to be cleansed FROM sin, requiring sinful acts to cease. If you say you cannot stop sin here on Earth, you didn't find the right Jesus, the one that is the Son of God, who came to save from sin here, now.

So that's all there is, a warning to any reading this, Jesus came to Earth about 2,000 years ago, born of a virgin, to preach His gospel, to become the sacrificial Lamb of God, die on the cross to be the sacrifice that saves from sin as in Titus 2:11, 12 is referred to again, and to leave an example that living sin free is possible in His power.

Here's one other way to look at it. If you are in fact right and I'm not, we both still go to Heaven. But if it turns out I am right and you aren't, then you will not gain Heaven. Isn't it worth it to find out who is right?

Finally, what is wrong by living right? Or to live sin free now? And yes living sin free is available through the sacrifice of Jesus, and only through Him.

PS if all that continue to sin make Heaven their eternal home, what must one do to spend eternity in Hell? I dare you to ask God honestly to show you where you stand with Him now. And I also dare you to listen and obey Him.

Hi Chris,

Yes my comment was for you, specifically in the end of your comments where you say "And, we're not required to be 'sinless to enter Heaven': we are still saved & sanctified sinners who will be renewed in every way, outfitted for life in Eternity."

Repentance, salvation, and sanctification from sin through the blood of Jesus does not produce saved and sanctified sinners. Romans 12:1 refers to sanctification and says in part "ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God". Those guilty of committed sins are not the living sacrifice as sin makes one dead spiritually. A sinner is not holy nor acceptable.

Think all the way back to Genesis 2:17 where God warned Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In verse 4 of chapter 3 the serpent told Eve God was wrong and she'd not die. God was referring to the effects of son and that it does cause the soul to die. Satan as the serpent deceived Eve by turning God's words of warning to mean not dying physically.

Here is Titus 2:11, 12 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;". The problem is you excuse sin, saying sin still is present in the saved, where God offers salvation from sin.

Matt. 1:21 Jesus was sent to save us from sin, not still in sin.

If you want true salvation, you will stop sinning after being saved. If you want a watered down false doctrine, feel free to think you are saved and sanctified yet still sin. But be warned, when you are at the Judgement before God, He will remind you a saint of God told you in this comment area that salvation requires you to stop the sin business. (See Matt. 25:31-46) If any stand before God with sin that is not repented of and are still committing sin, they cannot enter Heaven and will be separated from the sheep. And as a goat, be sent to Hell for eternal punishment.

Daniel my comment on Proverbs 10:22

Those who are following God's new commentment that's love one another they are called God's child who will get His blessing which makes them rich as per God's wish and He added no sorrows with it.