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Jacqui:

The first verse in Revelation tells us that Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ, so the beast is not technology.

The prophecies have the answers to Revelation and all the symbols.

Daniel 7:17 These great beast, which are four, are four kings .....

Daniel 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast ......

Daniel 7:23 ....the forth beast shall be the forth kingdom on the earth .....

Daniel 7:22 Until the ancient of days (Christ) come ......

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John, since that time the KINGDOM of God (the forth kingdom on earth) is preached, and every man PRESSES INTO IT.

The beast in Revelation is the Kingdom of God .....CHRIST IN YOU .....

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his (the beast, the kingdom of God) heads as it were wounded to death (Christ died on the cross); and his deadly wound was healed (Christ was resurrected), and all the world wondered after the beast (the kingdom of God).

God Bless You.

Ron

you are struggling because you are placing yourself today in prophecy.

Prophecy was suspended at the stoning of Stephen.

Peter clearly was expecting the tribulation at any point.

They had sold all their houses and land and were expecting the tribulation to start.

God interrupted the prophecy program when he called Paul and revealed to him the mystery.

Prophecy cannot start back up till this age of grace is over.

The catching away of the body of Christ will initiate the prophetic clock to start back up.

Daniels 70th week is the last week to be fulfilled.

God's resumes his dealings with Israel at this point.

The mixing of these 2 programs and the allegorical approach to Biblical interpretation is the cause of this confusion.

Every date setter in history has been wrong.

This is because they started looking at the Bible literally but also put themselves in prophecy.

Paul is our Apostle in this age of Grace he calls mystery.

Learn this and you will understand prophecy better than you ever have.

Learn to rightly divide the Bible by Prophecy and Mystery not OT and NT.

This is the literal approach to Bible study.

I am persuaded that Daniel seventh chapter is unfolding in front of us in this Year of 2022. Because, Daniel 8:17,when interpreted correctly States, "Oh Son of man for at the 'edge of time' the vision shall be. That is where we are today, very close to the end of time!(10yrs.?) Daniel's 7th chapter follows suit. "Four great beast rise up out of the sea, (of humanity). Dan.7:4, first is like a lion(USA), Eagles wings plucked,(our liberties are going). 2nd. A Bear, 'Russia' - "arise, devour (Destroy) much flesh", 'Today's war is the beginning of what Russia is to do, Vs.5.' Then Dan. 6&7, Leopard (China), also the only beast in Rev.13:1-5, A Leopard with Bear feet (USSR) & Lions mouth, USA= (Bill Gates?).

Brother Paul:

New York City and every other city that has, and will exist, is the whore that rides the Beast, that includes you and I and everyone who has lived and is yet to live. All mankind is the whore, we're unfaithful to the word of God, until we are born of TRUTH.

The Beast is as real as it gets:

Daniel 7:7 ...and behold a forth beast........

The forth beast is the Kingdom of God. This Beast arrived when John the Baptist came preaching the kingdom of God.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time, the kingdom of God is preached, and every man PRESSED INTO IT.

Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great WINEPRESS of the wrath of God.

God is going to PRESS all mankind until:

Galatians 14:19 .... Christ be formed IN YOU.

God Bess You.

Further cross references to Revelation 20.

Please look into Psalm 48 on the fear of the earth's rulers seeing the literal heavenly city; as well as Psalm 68 to see that indeed mortal man capable of sin still will exist on earth. Even the 10 kings are said to live for a while after the Tribulation in Daniel 7:12.

The only idea that works in this chapter is mortal men existing along with the church (kings and priests); and those who survived the Tribulation (those beheaded for not taking the mark). We shall rule and reign with Christ in a unique way; but certainly there will be many who survived the Tribulation who will rejoice as well and perhaps in eternity will rule and reign in similar fashion.

The concept of not being anything but a final Resurrection is pretty well eliminated in this chapter as well. The first resurrection it bears repeating consists of all saints; but in 1 Cor. 15:23 clearly there is an order and a procession of the firstfruits from Christ until the 144,000 in the Tribulation and then of course the Resurrection of those saints who were beheaded in the Tribulation. The concept of descendants born in that time; some of which rebel as seen in Rev. 21 and some of which will no doubt live out the whole time and hence WILL be translated need to be considered. It is possible some who die could be written in the Book of Life and not be cast into hell who rebel at this time; but since Christ will be clearly known they will be held to a higher standard so we can't say that for sure.

The second death involves the resurrecction of the damned cast into the lake of fire. Isaiah 66 talks of those dwelling on the earth looking in disgust to those in an opening of hell (this could be those killed in Armageddon who took the mark of the beast who would be the goats possibly thrown in beforehand; or this could refer to something viewed in the new eternal earth. I would think the former as these things likely would be hidden from us in eternity.

Hello,

1st want to address

The Earth is The LORD's & the fulness thereof! Psalms 24:1, Daniel 7:13-14, Romans 6:9,

Dominion GOD gave to mankind. Genesis 1:26,27,28,

War in Heaven: cast out, Revelation 12:7-17, persecution but not dominion, John 8:42-44, Revelation 20:7-15, Please read all of Chapter for context. Revelation 13, Revelation 20, deceiver like Genesis 3, James 4,

Psalms 145:1-13, Daniel 4:2,3,34, Daniel 6:26, Ephesians 1:17-23, Ephesians 6:11-18,

Hopefully these are helpful,

Please read the WORD, & study

Book of Revelation: Supplement to introduction

We are promised to receive a blessing for reading this Book; but that is for hearing it; and heeding it ( Rev. 1:3). There are things specifically for the churches and calling out in some cases just a few individuals who are "worthy" ( Rev. 3:4). The same principle applies to the Laodicean church for anyone who hears Him knocking at the door ( Rev. 3:20).

This book goes to the fate of the whole world; beyond what could be called this current "dispensation". It seems apparent to most scholars that after Revelation 4; there isn't any more mention of the church on earth until Revelation 20 with those in glorified bodies. To me; since we ALL are saved by grace I wouldn't dogmatically state that the age of grace ( Matt. 16:18) will be totally ended; only the function of the Holy Spirit once the restrainer is removed (the believing remnant church) at the rapture ( 2 Thess. 2:6). What we see change is the preservation of the church as an institution ( Matt. 16:18) and the normal experience in the Tribulation of martyrdom ( Daniel 7:21). What remains as a common thread is being WORTHY and having garments of white as our spiritual clothing ( Ephesians 5:27; Rev. 19:18). In order to achieve this status now; we need to be living unspotted from the world and to a large extent patiently waiting until the coming of the Lord; after the Rapture martyrdom will be the norm. Instead of arguing whether those who are left behind are lukewarm believers or all new converts; it is better to understand the concept that all those He has chosen will eventually come to the faith. The main harvest of countless souls attests to the fact that SOME repent when judgments come; while others of course harden their hearts beyond hope. As Jesus stated it is blessed for those who have NOT seen the Son of Man ( John 20:29). It is clear by the sixth seal who God and Christ are; but by then there is only a clear choice to worship God or Satan.

Basically; the final destruction of Babylon didn't occur. Revelation 17 seems to talk of the spiritual Babylon; something the Beast has to destroy to gain complete worship for Himself (i.e. Satan). Revelation 18 discusses the economic Babylon and a "great city" being destroyed. Some have guessed this is New York City; others suggest that it is in the same geographical locale as ancient Babylon. The ecumenical center of the 3 monotheistic faiths in Dubai along with a city 30 times larger than New York City which is planned to be ultramodern; with a drone based transportation system makes this seem more feasible.

At any event; this will make way for the Mark of the Beast; and either worship of Satan or of God. There will be no more false religious system; or any comfort in materialism. We must remember that it is worshipping the image of the Beast with food being a sidenote that drives people to taking the mark. Death will be for all those not taking it; although a few will survive until the end and into the Millennium period in hiding.

Thankfully; 2 Thess. 2 seems to indicate that the church will be out of here before that. Also we have the verse about the gates of hell not prevailing against the church today ( Matt. 16:18). However; the saints will be overcome according to Daniel in the time of Jacob's trouble ( Rev. 13:7; Daniel 7:21; Jeremiah 30:7).

These prophecies must surely occur; although it is held back to some extent now. Once the lawless one is revealed; things will be exponentially worse than ever before and than it ever will be ( 2 Thess. 2:8; Matt.24:21).

May you be richly blessed as you study His word; particularly Revelation as we are promised that reading that book ( Rev. 1:3).

Agape; Rich P

Brother Richard:

You are not going to understand Revelation without understanding Daniel and Ezekiel.

Daniel's prophecy is FOUR kingdoms on the earth, Babylon, Medes and Persians, Grecia and the FORTH and last kingdom: the KINGDOM OF GOD.

Daniel 7:23 And the FORTH BEAST ......the KINGDOM of GOD ....

The BEAST in Revelation has to agree with Daniel's prophecy.

John the Baptist came preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD.

The FORTH and LAST kingdom (OF GOD) arrived on the day of Pentecost.

Hebrews 2:8 .... but now we see NOT YET ALL THINGS put under him.

In THIS AGE: God's in; ONLY, calling out the PRIEST to serve with him in the KINGDOM OF GOD. Study the Law and Prophecies. Moses and the children were a SHADOW of the TRUE KINGDOM.

Ephesian 2:7 That in the AGES TO COME .....

Eternity is a long time: it is broken down into ages for the PURPOSE and FULFILMENT of his good pleasure.

God Bless You.

Sister GiGi:

I believe what Sister Suze was saying, Peter and most others, even today, don't UNDERSTAND: the SWORD was the WORD, not a metal blade.

But he was going to show them a miracle by healing the man's ear, and when the Holy Spirit came upon them, they would remember and UNDERSTAND.

THIS IS A PARABLE:

Luke 22:36 And he said unto them, But now (TODAY is the day), he that hath a purse, let him now take it, and like wise his script: and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garments, AN BUY ONE.

THIS IS A PARABLE:

Revelation 13:16 And he (the SWORD, the WORD, the Holy Ghost) CAUSED ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (the SPIRIT of TRUTH) in their fight hand, or in their forehead.

Revelation 3:18 I counsel of thee, TO BUY OF ME .....

Revelation 13:1 And that NO MAN might BUY or SELL (the Kingdom of God), save he had the MARK (CHRIST IN YOU), or the NAME (Christ in You) of the BEAST (the forth kingdom, the kingdom of God: Daniel 7:23), or the number or HIS NAME (Christ in you).

God Bless YOU.

This is a mystery at least while Christ was here in the flesh before the Resurrection ( Matt. 24:36). According to 2 Thess. 2:6 the restrainer is removed; then the man of sin can be revealed; hence all the events of the Tribulation commences at that point. This would signify as I can see the Holy Spirit in the way it manifests during the Church Age; also showing how the Holy Ghost is in some ways dependent in its actions to the Father. The Spirit is said to indicate; as John 16:8-11 sin; righteousness and judgment to come; and seals every believer until the Day of Redemption ( Eph. 4:30).

The offices of the Godhead somehow operate in this manner; despite each member being God. The best way I can see this is that God the Father is not able ever to be in the presence of sin without judgment coming from Him directly. There had to be some separation therefore or when Christ died at the cross the whole universe would have ceased to exist the moment He was estranged for that instant from the Father. It would seem the Holy Spirit; since it came from Christ directly at Pentecost has always been the way the Omnipresent Godhead can be within His chosen vessels. Truly; there was always that presence in Old Testament times; as it will be in some ways in the future Tribulation and beyond but the ministry changes. The results of that can be seen contrasting the promises of Matthew 16:18 and the statements of the saints being overcome in Daniel 7:15 etal.

I am stating all this so that verse about the Son of Man not knowing the Day and hour of His return can be better understood.

Christ learning obedience in a self depreciating manner ( Heb. 5:8) while He took on the form of man with all the limitations so He could be our substitute in life and death in every way; being tempted as we are but without sin ( Heb. 4:15) is also unfathomable in our minds. Nonetheless; Christ alerted to us that He comes a day we don't expect. We should be aware of signs; not overcome by fear

The eighth king will through his mortal head wound will appear to die and appear to be Resurrected. This can be seen in Rev. 13:3 and Zech 11:17. The power of this appears to be from the entity Apollyon shown in the 5th Trumpet ( Rev. 9:11). Thus; he will have the power of the Devil which ultimately is because of God's authority allowing that short space of rulership; but Antichrist is indwelled with the King of the Abyss.

Remember that there are 10 Kings that rule; and 3 are subdued. ( Daniel 7:24). Thus; we see the "little horn" coming out from what was part of the Grecian empire; broken up into 4 parts earlier. Somehow; he is associated with the other kings; likely from the same region. That appears to be a conlomorate beast; with the lion (Babylon); bear (Media/Persian); leopard (Greece) and the 4th one (Rome). Some would argue the more modern designation of England and the USA (as the "young lions of Tarshish) in Ezekiel 38:13; then Russia being the bear. Nonetheless; the last kingdom has characteristics and likely geographical intersections of the approximate boundaries of these ancient kingdoms; and many say it is likely a Mediterranean mainly Muslim confederacy that would help to fulful such prophecies as Psalm 83; Ezekiel 38 and others.

Any theory that the Son of Perdition is Judas Iscariot is fairly well knocked out by Hebrews 9:27. He will undoubtably be worshipped and the mark brought about in its finality after this event ( Rev. 13:4). Since the little horn is associated with Greece; and Apollo is named in the Greek language it is possible this entity that energized Alexander the Great will be the force indwelling Antichrist. No doubt it is being held back today until he who holds it back is taken out of the way.

The mark of the beast has been given all of these 2000 years. The abomination of desolation has been happening all of these 2000 years. The lie of 2Th 2 has been practiced all of these 2000 years. It's all about true and false Christianity folks. The Scriptures are filled with warnings but no one is listening. Augustin of Hippo and true Quaker George Fox were saved exactly 1260 years apart and they physically died exactly 1260 years apart. They and this time period are in about a dozen OT and NT prophecies, 8 indisputable dates prove it. Ask me via emails for very short explanations or read Quakers George Fox (watch for typos), Isaac Penington, Robert Barclay (1678 edition of his Apology...), anne robare / canabaptism yahoo com PS: They knew who the beasts are. I also understand what Dan 9:26-27 is about. The "flood" is the same "river" of Dan 12; Rev 12; it is very bad news for many people who think they are Christians but are not, Isa 24.

You might enjoy some Nelson Walters videos on YouTube. He teaches a lot on prophetic subjects now. Have pen & paper to copy down the scriptures Nelson quotes from.

Erick Stackelbeck is a Jewish Christian Reporter who keeps us informed on what is happening in the Middle East countries. We need more people to stay abreast of the "Signs of the Times." As always, we must verify statements against what scripture teaches.

Matthew 24 and Luke 21 is being felt all over the Earth. Look at earth disaster videos online. USA is suffering massive drought. Water supply reservoirs are being drained dry; big cities are facing no water disaster. Hoover Dam is almost dry!

WE ALL NEED TO VERIFY these claims. Don't take my word; go see it yourself.

Like I've been warning those in the East: droughts from California to East Texas, means LESS FARMLAND PRODUCTS. Less Food, Higher Prices. Huge increases on cost to farmers for fertilizer. They can't afford to plant crops without it.

Please, get this next statement. THE GREEN DEAL IS THE ONE WORLD RELIGION, THAT WILL HELP UNITE THE WORLD TO RECEIVE ANTICHRIST. Receive His Mark in exchange for food.

Forget High Food prices and go buy a $60,000. electric car to save on gasoline. Let's stop screams for abortion and start screaming AGAINST FALSE LEADERS IN WASH, DC. who are forcing us to buy what we cannot afford.

Don't take their vaccines either. They're grooming us to take the Mark of the Beast. Order food and water wholesale if storage allows, or rent storage. We may have to live the first part of the Tribulation. After the Rapture it's called THE GREAT TRIBULATION. In essence the soft gloves are removed. "Be mild as a dove, and wise as a serpent."

Vote like you and your loved ones lives depend on it. The issues of abortion are actually human sacrifices to an ancient god named Moloch. He's hiding behind the abortion movement.

AWAKE SLEEPERS. Vote red for more time. It's our last chance to turn this tide. Love.

Hello, Dan 7 is about the Lion of the tribe of Judah who took the form of a servant, Php 2. The bear is about Peter and other Christian Jews who obeyed the vision of Ac 10-11 where Peter was told to kill and eat 3 times. The leopard is the saved Christian Gentiles and the 4th is the beasts of the Revelation combined into one great big deadly beast at the end. I also know who the 2 men are on the sides of the river in Dan 12 and the blessed one who waits. They are also in Zech 4; Rev 11; etc. I have the proof with 8 dates for about 12 OT and NT prophecies and more. Just email canabaptism yahoo com, anne robare

Daniel 8, Daniel 11, & Revelation,

In your study maybe include: Daniel 12, continuing from Daniel 11.

Also : Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17:20-37, Luke 18:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, John 16:33, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, Zephaniah 1:14,15, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18-20, 2Timothy 3,

Isaiah 24,

Daniel 7, encouraging= Daniel 7:25-26,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study & discussion

Hi Roy. Briefly, the Son of Man is a title used exclusively by Jesus - His disciples never addressed Him as such.

Jesus used it to emphasize His humanity ( Matthew 8:20; Mark 8:31), though there were occasions where He used the title, Son of God ( John 3:18; John 5:25; John 9:35-37; John 10:36; etc).

The title, Son of Man, also goes back to the Book of Daniel where the Son of Man would inherit the everlasting kingdom of God ( Daniel 7:13,14). It is a designation of the Messiah Who would inherit God's everlasting Kingdom.

At His trial Jesus acknowledged that He was indeed the Son of Man - the one who would bring in God's everlasting kingdom ( Matthew 26:64,65). When the religious leaders heard this they accused Him of blasphemy - making Himself equal with God.

The purpose of the title seems to be Jesus' Own emphasis on His Humanity. And through His Humanity, doing the Works of God as none other had done before & bringing the Words of God as they never heard before, the people would also see that this was no ordinary man (as was believed, the son of Joseph & Mary), but One of God, sent by God. Jesus' Life even till His Death proved to at least some folk that this Son of Man was indeed the Son of God: they needed to come to realize this fact by observation, not by His proclamation.

LUKE 16:31

Luke 16:31 And if they hear not Mosses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.

Daniel 7:14 And there was GIVEN HIM dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that ALL PEOPLE, nations, and language, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints of the most high, and ALL dominions shall serve and obey him.

Amos 3:7 Surly the Lord God will do nothing but he revealeth HIS SECRETS unto his servants the prophets.

If there are two groups of people one going to heaven and one going to hell, God didn't reveal this to to Daniel.

God Bless YOU!

Hi Melissa. 'sostanza' is not an English word. We can see it in the Italian language & it almost always refers to 'substance or matter'. In the Italian Bible we find examples in Daniel 7:1, Luke 8:43, Luke 15:13, Hebrews 10:34. The sense of 'evil' is not found there.

Advocate - 1 John 2:1

Alive for Evermore - Rev 1:18

All Knowing Psalm 139:1-6

All, and in All - Colossians 3:11

Almighty - Revelation 1:8

Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8

Altar - Hebrews 13:10

Altogether Lovely - Song of Solomon 5:16

Amen - Revelation 3:14

Ancient of Days - Daniel 7:13 & Daniel 7:22

Anointed One - 1 Samuel 2:35

Author of Eternal Salvation - Hebrews 5:9

Author of our Faith - Hebrews 12:2

Balm of Gilead - Jeremiah 8:22

Banner over us - Ps 60:4, S of Sol 2:4

Bearer of Sin - Hebrews 9:28

Before All Things - Colossians 1:17

Beginning and Ending - Revelation 1:8

Bishop of our Souls - 1 Peter 2:25

Blessed and Only Potentate - 1 Timothy 6:15

Blessed Hope - Titus 2:13

Bread of Life, my manna - John 6:35

Bridegroom - John 3:29

Bright and Morning Star - Revelation 22:16

Brightness of His Glory - Hebrews 1:3

Buckler - Psalms 18:30

Captain - Joshua 5:14-15, Hebrews 2:10

Changeless One - Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8

Chief Among 10,000, S. of Solomon 5:10

Chosen of God - 1 Peter 2:4

Christ - Matthew 1:16 - 1 John 5:1

Comforter - John 14:16-18

Consolation of Israel - Luke 2:25

Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

Creator - Romans 1:25 - Isaiah 40:28

Crown of Glory - Isaiah 28:5

I believe it was to clearly point out the fulfillment of Prophecy. Please see:

Son of David prophecy : 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, 2Chronicles 7:18, Psalms 132:11,

The coming promise of deliverance : Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 33:15, proclaimed: Matthew 22:24,43,44,45, Matthew 1:1,

Luke 18:38, some identified JESUS as by different names for significance to themselves, healer, deliverer

Son of GOD : Genesis 6:2,4, Daniel 3:25, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, Romans 8:14, Matthew 11:27,

Son of Man : prophecy : Daniel 7:13-14, Revelation 1, Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 30:1-4, Job 25:4-6, Job 35:8-16, Matthew 24:30, proclaimed : Mark 14:21, John 12, Matthew 11:19,

Additionally he was called the BRANCH : Job 14:7, Psalms 80:15, Isaiah 11:1, Isaiah 14:19, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, proclamed: John 15,

Also "shall be called Nazarene " Matthew 2:23,

Hopefully this is helpful

Beautifully put. I believe some misunderstand, the "Coming of The LORD, Return of The LORD, THE Day of The LORD " as I did also, as dearly loved fellowship of Believers would pray for it. Maybe by Philippians 3:20, eagerly awaiting, & Colossians 4:2, That misinterpreted.

Then one day I read: Amos 5:18-24,

People long for Mercy, Justice, correct judgement that may be the root of the plea, prayer.

However Jesus instruction was pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven " Matthew 6:9-13,

Daniel 7:27, Psalms 145:13, John 17, note John 17:15-16, Luke 17:20-21,

Proverbs 21:3, Isaiah 56:1, Psalms 82:3, Isaiah 59:4, (context Isaiah 59), Jeremiah 22:15, * Isaiah 58,

2Samuel 8:15, 1Kings 10:9, Ezekiel 45:9, Micah 6:8,

We even as 1 person can bring justice, mercy, truth, hope, deliverance, through faith, endurance, prayer, action & being a living example

Romans 1:17, James 2, Hebrews 11, 2Corinthians 5:7, Mark 11:22-26,

We are called to bring Justice, Judgement, Mercy.

Ecclesiastes 5:8, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 6,

Psalms 102:17, * James 5,

Hopefully these are helpful, please share these scriptures with those whom you feel led as a tool

Daniel 7:27

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall serve and obey him.

Daniel 6:26

I make a decree, That in every DOMINION of my KINGDOM- men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and HIS KINGDOM that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

John 18:36

Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

***** Luke 17:21*****

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

Luke 21:10

Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

[mishael: every nation on earth is called, a kingdom. But none is called THE kingdom.

Gods kingdom exists in heaven and within every born again believer in Jesus Christ.

JOHN 3:3, 5. Jesus's own words about the ONE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Revelation 8, - Revelation 9, - Revelation 10, note there are 7 angels with seven trumpets Revelation 8:2-6, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th angels "sounded" their trumpets in Rev. 8, Revelation 8:7,8,10,12, & warns of the final 3. Revelation 8:13, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"

The 5th & 6th angels sound in Rev. 9, Revelation 9:1,13, It's not until Revelation 10, the 7th will sound Revelation 10:7,

1Corinthians 15:52, Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Zephaniah 1, Zephaniah 1:15,16, Amos 5:18-20, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37, Revelation 1:7, Mark 14:60-62, Matthew 26:62-64, Revelation 10:1-7, Revelation 14,

1Thessalonians 1:9,10, 1Thessalonians 2:19, John 17, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5, 2Thessalonians 1, 2Thessalonians 2, 2Timothy 2, 2Timothy 3, 2Timothy 3:12, 2Timothy 4:1-8, Titus 2:13-15, 2Peter 2:4-9, 2Peter 3:9-18,

Hopefully these are helpful to this discussion

Please read Revelation 8, note also 8:6, Revelation 9, Revelation 10, note Revelation 10:7, 1Corinthians 15:52, 1Thessalonians 4:16, READ in context

Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Joel 2, Zephaniah 1, note: Zephaniah 1:14-17, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 1:7, Amos 5:18-20

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

Starting with: Numbers 14:34,35,36,37,38 then, Ezekiel 4:6,

Daniel 9:2, searching the prophetic timelines,

Other years mysteries: Isaiah 61:2, Isaiah 63:4, Jeremiah 11:23, Jeremiah 17:8, Jeremiah 23:12, Jeremiah 48:44, Jeremiah 51:46, Ezekiel 46:17, Luke 4:19, Luke 13:8, Revelation 9:15, Daniel 11:6,

Sometimes in prophetic dreams things symbolized days & years,

additional amounts of time described at "times" Daniel 4:23,25,32, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 8:14,17,19,26

Weeks; Daniel 9:24-27, Daniel 12:1,9,

Days: Daniel 12:11,12,13, 2Peter 3:7-13,

Also a Day is like a thousand years unto The LORD: 2Peter 3:8, Psalms 90:4,

* Daniel 2:20-22, James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful to your study

Suze, I meant for this post to go in the general comment section.

Now I guess you got to read it.....

Revelation 10

Is that you Elijah?

vs 1 The angel with his right foot on the sea, and left foot on the earth is Jesus (mirroring the 2 beasts in Revelation 13, rising from sea & earth).

vs 5-6 are paradoxical because Jesus says all creation comes from God, where we Christian's are sworn to saying that Jesus created all, John 10:30

Revelation 10:5-6 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

vs 7 We are reminded that God has plans to end this age at the 7th trumpet.

vs 8 Jesus gives the prophet the little book, the Word of God (Bible).

vs 9-10 Since it's sweet in his mouth, then bitter in his belly, it must be before the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, when life drastically changes.

Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

vs 11 These aren't saints, but 1 person. This must be describing Elijah's appearance before the day of the Lord. Elijah is to preach the word of God, salvation, on the backdrop before it comes, Malachi 4:5

Oooh I didn't know a lot of that , thankyou for the info . I did know that NATO had been warned time and time again that if they kept trying to expand in that area , that Putin would see that as very provocative and he would eventually loose patience . You are right about all the propaganda , we have enormous access to info now with the internet but we don't know anything anymore because there are so many lies being spouted by everyone . There's only one source of info that we can trust and that's God . Everything we need to know is in the Bible and if we are for Him then He is for us and we don't have too much to worry about . It's hard not to be affected by the awful scary things going on but we must stay strong in our faith and trust God implicitly , our God is The God and He is in charge .

Suze,

Be careful of the propaganda. The media lies per strategy, they are part of the problem. For starters in Ukraine, are you aware the US backed a $5 billion coup in early 2014? Then the US state dept, and Victoria Nuland installed Katzenburg as president. Katz started bombing Russian speaking, Donbass residents, and was the reason for Russia taking Crimea in referendum (after the coup). Russia invaded Ukraine to remove the Nazi's, to remove their US funded bio-labs, and to STOP the bloody 8 year war the Nazi Ukraine govt runs against the Russian speaking Donbass region. The biggest slap to Russia is the encroachment of NATO on Russian boarders, five times. Why didn't the US grant Russia security guarantees? Because the US MIC needs a war with Russia to get rich.

The US wanted this conflict, they picked Russia as their enemy long ago. The Russian's are being delicate in Ukraine, moving at their own pace, not the TV's. They didn't do what the US would have done upon entering: cut power, cut internet, cut supply lines, and kill everyone in sight.

If you ask me, it's the US that's always the troublemaker, who breaks treaties, treacherously spoils nations. Then denies it all, like Mystery Babylon does in the land of confusion. How bad can Putin be for doing what God told him to do: destroy Babylon. The anti-christ is a rock star politician, and undoubtedly, there's nobody like him. Putin is a hero for saving the world from America, and giving them every opportunity to play fair, but America would rather risk the abomination of desolation, to rule the world from Jerusalem.