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Daniel 7:9 says "thrones were cast down" , if we were to consider this meaning, seats were set up. Seats for both Old and New Testament believers whom overcame forces of evil, kingdoms of the world, and understood and were kept spiritually safe in the church in the wilderness. True authority has one Throne and only one seated at the Throne. Lightenings and thunderings are the powers of God. How close can saved men be to this Throne, the Throne of Righteousness? As close as the New Covenant the rainbow. This rainbow is the hope and peace between God and saved men.The sea of glass is ahead of the Throne. The redeemed could stand on this sea of glass because their sins were now transparent. The light of God could pass through them completely because of the one seated at the Throne. The twenty-four elders fall down to worship him that sat on the throne. Living representations (beasts) of all of creation witness with the elders to the Truth upon the Throne as their creator too in their continued and everlasting worship saying, "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come". The connection to the Cherubims of Genesis 3:24 which were living creatures to Ezekiel 10:20 "This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims." This chapter of Ezekiel helps to understand chapter 1 of Ezekiel where the beasts had the likeness of man, where man was the crown of God's creation in Christ Jesus.

My meditation would lean towards that these Cherubims are the beasts and are at the four corners of the earth as borders to keep men ,because God so loved the world, on the straight and narrow way towards Salvation by the One on the Throne of God, Jesus Christ.

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In v4 would the lion be a nation like the United States? I see clay as compared to freedom and iron being referred as a strong nation.

Trumpets 5,6 & 7 are separate from the others because they are for the last generation.

Most everyone believes we are in the end-times, so can you put your finger on it, identify it in the time line? What events have occurred to reinforce the notion that we have entered the end of days?

The 5th trumpet I identify with the attacks on 9-11-01, and the subsequent rush to battle. This attack officially put the world in tribulation, and stripped us of our freedoms. America and its Babylonian partners spent 20 years killing Muslims in the desert (no grass or green thing), who didn't have the seal of God in their foreheads ( Revelation 9:4).

The US govt was drawing from ( Revelation 7), by highlighting 144,000, which is painfully obvious from 3 accounts.

NYT Sept. 20, 2006 - Pentagon officials have said previously that the current level, about 144,000 troops, was likely to be maintained through the end of the year unless security improved.

The Economic Times Aug 08, 2008 - The United States currently has about 144,000 troops in Iraq and 34,000 in Afghanistan.

The Washington Institute June 15, 2007 - Rather than asking every American to sacrifice just a little in order to affect oil prices, Washington asked a few Americans -- 144,000 to be exact -- to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Continued - President Bush promised the American public much, but he commissioned a mere 144,000 troops to carry the burden of what was meant to be one of the greatest transformative initiatives in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

General Wesley Clark March 2007 - "We're Going to Take out 7 Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran.." The US mimics the beast's 6th trumpet attack during the 5th trumpet.

-The US, after 3 towers were destroyed (their own property), planned to take 7 countries in 5 years ( Revelation 9:10).

-anti-christ takes 3 horns (his own property), leaving 7 horns from 10 ( Daniel 7:20).

More to come....

Does this tie into daniel 7:25, where he said, "men shall think to change times and laws.

Adam,

Mystery Babylon behaves and fulfills prophesy as if mirroring the beast. At the day of the Lord, and while in the midst of destroying the whole house of Israel (modern day), anti-christ attacks and takes 3 nations from his own confederacy.

( Ezekiel 38:13) Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? anti-christ destroyed his own property.

Daniel confirms the prophesy:

( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (Gog); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].

( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]

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On 9-11-01 America attacked itself, blamed the attack on a patsy and rushed off to war, all on a pack of lies. To fight an "enemy" who fought on the US side against Iraq and Syria as hired mercenaries. This is "The Greater Israel Project," carving out a buffer zone between Israel, their neighbors and more.

US Statement From General Wesley Clark: (after 3 towers in NY were plucked), we're going to take out 7 ME countries in 5 years.

( Revelation 9:10) And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men FIVE months.

After Biblical Babylon falls, the Beast "takes" 3 of his 10 allies, leaving 7 nations in his command. The US does prophesy backwards to mimic what the Beast does by taking 3 of their own horns (towers), then taking 7 nations in 5 years (months). According to the rules of numerology, this is a perfect supplanted fit.

If Gog/thebeast(of Revelation), anti-christ did all that God asked of him, by destroying Israel/Babylon, then what turned God against hisprized army? Theanswer is "at thesame time" by doing God's will, thebeastthinks an "evil thought".

Ezekiel 38:10-13

10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that AT THE SAME TIME shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an EVIL THOUGHT:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

Daniel has a connection to vs 13 above:

( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (anti-christ); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].

( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]

The beast attacks 3 of 10 nations gathered unto him, nations dis-loyal thatsurround Israel. He subdues and spoils them by ground warfare (like Judah), not by annihilating them to dust like the house of Israel (Isaiah:13). God is mad because this violence has destroyed earth, knocked it off its axis ( Isaiah 24: 18) the sun, moon are ashamed. anti-christseeks a "Greater Israel Project" of his own, with limited time.

Daniel 7:v2-3

Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven(heaven?) strove(strove?) upon the great sea.

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

great sea - all Gentile nations without exception;

sea means waters; waters mean peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues;

the four beasts are: Babylon, and Medo-Persian, and Greece, and Roman Empire;

these four beasts strove one another successively (in the great sea - Gentile peoples);

these four beasts are the roots of the Beast of sea- Revelation 13:v.1 to10, mainly verse 2-Check it out.

the fourth beast was so ugly, and terrible, so tenebrous that had not any kind of animal to figure it, and its roots

remains until the current time through a satanic religious system, a religious MONSTER with 7 heads, 10 horns and a

NAME of blaspheme in his 7 heads.

JUAN DIAZ

Be in peace, you are welcome brother in Christ. See, my reply was according my zeal by the Word of GOD, as you know , the Word is GOD. Who loves the Word, loves GOD.

Yes, I surely repeat and place a lot of Scripture because it gives support of my end-time vision, I have not any other source except the Word of GOD to interpret the Word of GOD. Scriptures explain Scriptures.

Dear Juan Diaz, GOD is the Truth, so what matters is Truth, and the Truth is only one. We are speaking of revelations of Apocalypses' times, not speculations, or suppositions, or conjectures, or opinions, or imaginations. That said, I take the Bible, and read Rev. 13:v.1-10-THE BEAST OF SEA. HIS ANCIENT ROOTS: v.2- he is like unto a leopard(3)-Greece, and his feet were as the feet of a bear(2)-Medo-Persian, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(1)-Babylon: These three peoples were swallowed by the Roman Empire- Daniel 7:v.2-7, and for this 4th kingdom there is not any animal because it is dreadful, strong exceedingly; and diverse from all the beasts before it; and it had ten horns. It was exactly in the dominion of the terrible 4th kingdom that GOD sent JESUS to preach the Gospel of GOD's kingdom, and after around 3 years of preachings JESUS was crucified by his own people. Antichrist was in the embryo yet.The powerful apostles of the LORD even in the absense of JESUS continued with great power the work that JESUS had started. Churches were developed in the world, Paul apostle worked hard, he ministered several churches, the church of Rome was one of them.

The Roman Empire was being shakened by the preaching of the Gospel of JESUS and it troubled the Roman Empire,dominated by the Devil.So Satan worked in the corruption of the Churches of the Lord, the Apostles did fight against Satan. Satan CORRUPTED the CHURCH OF ROME by entire-the Antichrist developed itself-John Apostle denounced Satan's strategy- 1John 2:v.18-21

continues in next post on Beast of sea--lack of space to write

JUAN DIAZ

Be in peace, you are welcome brother in Christ. See, my reply was according my zeal by the Word of GOD, as you know , the Word is GOD. Who loves the Word, loves GOD.

Yes, I surely repeat and place a lot of Scripture because it gives support of my end-time vision, I have not any other source except the Word of GOD to interpret the Word of GOD. Scriptures explain Scriptures.

Dear Juan Diaz, GOD is the Truth, so what matters is Truth, and the Truth is only one. We are speaking of revelations of Apocalypses' times, not speculations, or suppositions, or conjectures, or opinions, or imaginations. That said, I take the Bible, and read Rev. 13:v.1-10-THE BEAST OF SEA. HIS ANCIENT ROOTS: v.2- he is like unto a leopard(3)-Greece, and his feet were as the feet of a bear(2)-Medo-Persian, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(1)-Babylon: These three peoples were swallowed by the Roman Empire- Daniel 7:v.2-7, and for this 4th kingdom there is not any animal because it is dreadful, strong exceedingly; and diverse from all the beasts before it; and it had ten horns. It was exactly in the dominion of the terrible 4th kingdom that GOD sent JESUS to preach the Gospel of GOD's kingdom, and after around 3 years of preachings JESUS was crucified by his own people. Antichrist was in the embryo yet.The powerful apostles of the LORD even in the absense of JESUS continued with great power the work that JESUS had started. Churches were developed in the world, Paul apostle worked hard, he ministered several churches, the church of Rome was one of them.

The Roman Empire was being shakened by the preaching of the Gospel of JESUS and it troubled the Roman Empire,dominated by the Devil.So Satan worked in the corruption of the Churches of the Lord, the Apostles did fight against Satan. Satan CORRUPTED the CHURCH OF ROME by entire-the Antichrist developed itself-John Apostle denounced Satan's strategy- 1John 2:v.18-21

continues in next post on Beast of sea--lack of space to write

Daniel 7:11 & Revelation 19:20 are one in the same report from two different points of view.

In Daniel 7:11 it says that the beast is slain, his body destroyed and given to the burning flame.

Rev 19:20 we know that the anti-Christ is grown into the lake of fire alive.

Could you please explain this?

Thank you

As mentioned earlier, we can't be completely sure about the present day countries that are reflected by those names given in Ezekiel 38:1,2. Therefore, many are loathed to publicize their impressions. However, some have & generally they have assumed the following: since Magog, Meshech & Tubal were all sons of Japheth (Noah's son), & it is supposed that Japheth moved into those northern parts of Europe: Ezekiel 38:15 (i.e. the vast area occupied by Russia), then those names must have their counterparts in Russia. So Magog is seen as meaning "Prince of Rosh", or Russia. Meshech, as Moscow. Tubal, as a Siberian city. It is difficult to know how accurate these interpretations are, therefore I don't subscribe to them because of the burden to be accurate in biblical hermeneutics & thus what we share to others.

In Revelation 13:1-8, we see the vision given to the Apostle John of a "beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." And this beast was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear & a lion's mouth. If we refer to Daniel 7:3-7, we see similar animals but they denote the kingdoms of the world (v17). The Lion as King Nebuchadnezzar of the Babylonian Empire; the bear as the Medo-Persian Empire; the leopard as Grecian Empire; & the fourth, the Roman Empire. And out of the Roman Empire, was seen 10 horns. These were nations that had come out of that Empire (7:24), with one horn arising that will be prominent in the last days (Antichrist).

In this verse John describes Jesus as having hair like white wool and snow. The prophet Daniel wrote that he saw the Ancient of Days, describing Him as having hair that resembled wool ( Daniel 7:9). Seen as having such a resemblance to God the Father, Jesus is eternal. His white hair suggests He is wise, experienced, dignified, authoritative, pure, and glorious.

Alyssa.

This description we have of the Lord in Revelation 1:14-16 is a picture of him in his Glory. Not the way he walked down hear on earth!!

Let's visit the text.

Revelation 1:14-16. His head and his hairs were "WHITE" like wool, as "WHITE" as "SNOW";

( the emphasis here is the color of his hair not texture! It speaks of ETERNITY, ANCIENT OF DAYS. )

as you see here in

Daniel 7:9. I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the ANCIENT OF DAYS did sit, WHOSE GARMENT WAS WHITE AS SNOW, and the hair of His Head like the pure wool:

and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

( His judgment is righteous, nothing hidden. )

as you see here in

Hebrews 4:13. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;

( Brass is a material that could withstand heat, fire speaks of judgment )

( HE'S PURE ) " NO INIQUITY FOUND IN HIM "

and his voice as the sound of many waters.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

and the two edged sword.

Hebrews 4:12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

THIS IS GOD! not a black man or a white man, or any other. HE'S THE GLORIFIED CHRIST JUDGING HIS CHURCH!!

I'm sure others can add more revelation to this.

God bless.

Hello Glenn. Thank you again & for the points you shared, which I shall address:

1. True, Genesis 2:2,3 does state that God rested (or, ceased) from all the work which He had made, which implies Sabbath (rest) & that was then given as a commandment for Israel to obey & do likewise.

2. Isaiah chapter 66. You may be directing me to verses 23 & 24. These verses appear to be speaking about the Millennium period or at the creation of the new heavens & earth. In the OT economy, the description given here is 'from month to month and from week to week' (Moons & Sabbaths): that was their understanding. However, if it was a declaration that those who worship God at that future time will do so again on a Sabbath, (which gives a warrant to do so now), then do we also obey the moon cycles which are used to determine the 'feasts'. I'm unsure if any Sabbath-keepers/believers keep those feasts according to the moon's determination. Shouldn't they do so, if the Lord has said so? Are not the Sabbath & the Feasts equally important & incurred equal punishment if not adhered to?

3. Can't comment on that as I believe the 'remembrance' was for Israel to do, as they still do now (as those under the Law).

4. Daniel 7:24,25 is generally attributed to the coming Antichrist. I'm not sure whether his changing of "times & laws" applies to the Sabbath or not. So, the present condemnation of non-Sabbath-keepers (purportedly because of what Constantine ratified in 321 AD) is unjustified, since Daniel speaks of the future. Does that mean that the Antichrist will change 'Sunday worship' to another day, seeing that many Christians already do that now according to early Church practice? Or maybe to a day he chooses for all to worship him?

5. Sorry, can't see it yet: if you could point me in the right direction. If anything, I see a continual departure from the Truths of God's Word, rampant sin, & lukewarmness in the Church.

Blessings.

God, my Bible, says the seventh day is the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10.

Saturday, or the seventh day in the weekly cycle, is the only day in all of scripture designated using the term Sabbath.

Constantine did think he changed the Sabbath. Daniel 7:25 ... .and think to change times and laws. Because he thought doesn't mean he changed it. On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.

In Malachi 3:6, God says I am God I change not. Did God change the Sabbath? You admit that Constantine changed the Sabbath or thinks he did because so many people follow his supposed change.

Acts 5:29 in my bible says we ought to obey God rather than man, this includes Constantine, kings, presidents, emperors, popes, etc.

God who is omniscient, gave the days numbers which are constant. Sabbath is the seventh day in over 100 languages.



No wonder the world is in mass confusion. A four year old can count from one to seven. Its not rocket science. Look at your standard every day calendar, Start with the first day count seven.

My prayer is that we all come to unity on God's word, Not on my or your opinion.

I am praying that all will believe the wisest mind in the universe GOD, JESUS Christ, THE HOLY GHOST.

Will be praying for you all.

Pat,

The US = Mystery Babylon: No other country is close to Sodom and Gomorrah than America.

The Beast = Russia: No other country fits the description like Russia. The characteristics of the beast shouts Russia:

1) "More stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones ( Daniel 7:20).

2) He is the 8th and is of the 7. Russia is, was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7 ( Revelation 17:20).

3) In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has been healed into the Russian Federation. The people will marvel at Russia ( Revelation 13:3).

4) Even though God has always held back Esau (Russia), he will now bring Esau forth with his northern army to destroy Jacob (US/NATO/Israel) ( Ezekiel 38:4).

5) Obadiah states Esau (Russia) annihilated Jacob (US/Israel) then engaged in destruction beyond Babylon with an "evil thought" ( Ezekiel 38:10), by taking 3 allies from his own camp.

6) Esau pounds Jacob so badly that the earth is knocked off its axis and wobbles back and forth like a drunkard ( Isaiah 24:20).

7) The last time Esau and Jacob met up was on the trail, Genesis 33. Jacob was afraid Esau would kill him for stealing his birthright, but instead they exchanged gifts and parted ways.



8) Esau will make Jacob lean this time around ( Isaiah 24:1-16).

My dear friend the mark of the best is Sunday observance, however, individual who presently worship on Sunday, DO NOT have the mark of the beast. Individual receive the mark of the beast ONLY after Sunday observance has been set up by Law. You can read Revelation 14:9-12; 13:7; 17:6; 17:9

The mark in the forehead is the seal of God. His 7th day Sabbath. Be blessed. Other texts: Daniel 7: 23 - 25; 13: 1-6

Thank you Brother Dan....

Ask any prelate (employee: priest, bishop, cardnal, and even pope, and they will tell you that they changed the holiness of the Sabbath Day, in fact they are quite proud of it....

See Daniel 7:25 "He shall speak pompous words against the Mostg High . Shall persecute the saints of the Most High.

And shalol intend to change times and laws."

I ask you which of God's Ten Commandments has to do with time? Only the Fourth Commandment, which starts out with "Remember", which is really the only one of the Ten that man wants to forget. and do away with. Also, consider that man can not really change or do away with any of God's Ten Commandments, they cab only "Think" to do so....

God os not caught "flat footed here" He knew that a power would try this in thefuture....

S. Spencer,

Greetings, this site has some of the best NT scripture-smiths around. NT 27 strong.

Salvation to me begins at the seventh trumpet twinkle, with the 144,000 first fruits standing on the hill with Messiah, the Christ. ( Revelation 14:3-4) Please try to account for any souls other than these who are worthy of the first fruit resurrection, lest ( Revelation 20:5)? From your study, what are 2 things Christians should know about salvation?

I'm really surprised at how little of the OT, especially the prophets, are discussed here. They're the foundation, they offer tomorrows clews: Daniel 7:8 being Ezekiel 38:14 (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey) should interest you enough to see what they're talking about.

One thing we can agree on is that we are living in the end-times of Matthew 24, yet no one talks about it.

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with his wisdom and His understanding.

There is two groups of people in God's Kingdom. The ones being called NOW; resurrected with Christ, will be the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

Revelation 5:10

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints (priest) of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS SHALL SERVE AND OBEY HIM (being made one with Christ they will obey us also).

Those raised at the second resurrection are the ones under the authority of God's priest and judges.

Revelation 2:26-27

Psalms 2:8-10

Revelation 3:9

Psalms 149:9

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Ezekiel 38:10-13

Gog did all that God asked of him by destroying Israel, Babylon, so what turned God against Gog? "At the same time" he's doing God's will, Gog thinks an "evil thought".

10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

vs 13 connection:

( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (Gog); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].

( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]

Gog attacks 3 of 10 nations gathered unto him, nations that surround Israel. He subdues and spoils them by ground warfare (like Judah), not by annihilating them to dust like the house of Israel (Isaiah:13). antichrist seeks a Greater Israel Project of his own.

from vs 10: "that at the same time....."

Jane,

The entire chapter of Luke 21 is a section of scripture that deals with the preaching of Jesus in Jerusalem, which begins at Luke 19:28 and ends at Luke 21:38. Chapter 21 can be broken down into several parts as such:

Luke 21:1-4 gives us the proper understanding of giving.

Luke 21:5-9, the prophecy concerning the temple.

Luke 21:10-19, the persecution against believers.

Luke 21:20-28, the prophecies of judgment against Jerusalem.

Luke 21:29-33, the parable of the fig tree.

Luke 21:34-36, the precaution concerning the last days.

Luke 21:37-38, the Passover week schedule.

There is a lot of information in Luke Chapter 21. Is there a particular verse or verses you would like to have some clarification on?

Thanks again Jesse for sharing that and I trust you had a very enjoyable & profitable camping trip.

What you shared truly shook me. I was well aware of the moral & spiritual condition of the city of Corinth, with its temple to Aphrodite/Astarte & its many prostitutes (serving as priestesses) that served there but had no inkling that such deplorable things had made inroads into the Church. Indeed, the Church was in a bad shape which would have grieved the apostle immensely but to have to root out wickedness at that level, would have been formidable & agonizing to him.

So I can see that those reasons you gave would have been sufficient for Paul to express chastity as a preference to marriage. For if it was persecution that was being hurled against the Church, I would think that such a Church in such a condition would have little to fear from the world, when the world was well & truly in the Church. Blessings brother.

James,

As I'm sure you know, the account is given to us in Acts Chapter 28. Paul was taken prisoner in Rome and was put on house arrest. He had his own living quarters, and we find out at the end of Chapter 28 that he will be there for two years before they release him because he hasn't done anything wrong. But Paul would be recaptured a second time, and as tradition tells us, he will be taken outside of the city and beheaded by the Roman government.

So Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired, or rented house. Rome had to pay the expenses, not only of his trip but of his rented house. And he received all that came in to him, and he did two things: he preached the kingdom of God, and he taught those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ.

This was from morning until evening. And people were free to come and go, as Paul was allowed to have visitors. But Paul was chained to a guard the whole time. And people would be coming to him day and night listening to him speak. Can you just imagine this poor guard? He was going to hear Paul preach and teach whether he wanted to hear it or not!

Hi Chris,

From what I gather, the believers in Corinth were facing a challenging time. The church in Corinth was very corrupt and Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to address the corruption that was in the church. It was pagan worship, and prostitution was part of the worship service and people brought their families. And this was a constant seven-day-a-week influence on that city.

So now these people have received Christ, and they're gathering together as followers of Jesus after He has saved them, but they still have to live in this environment. They are in a community where this is all the people do, is participate in perversion and corruption as part of their worship.

So they had a great struggle in the church there because a lot of the problems that they struggled with were in the church in Corinth. That may have been the "present distress" Paul spoke about?

I wanted to touch on what Paul's reason may have been for saying that he wished all men were like him (Single) and that if they were to marry, that such would have trouble in the flesh.

Paul says "Such will have trouble in the flesh." It's a fact of life! Whether a married couple loves each other or not, there's going to be trouble in the flesh. It seems from Verse 35 that the motive for Paul's teaching this way was so that our devotion to the Lord will be without distraction.

Verses 32-33 seem to show the contrast between a married and single person's devotion to the Lord, where a single person, whether a man or woman, can be totally devoted to the Lord. But a married person no longer has the same amount of devotion because their concern is on pleasing their spouse. Paul doesn't say this is wrong. I believe it's a normal human response for someone who is married.

I believe Paul was once married, although scripture does not specifically tell us. If he was, he would have experienced it both ways as far as devotion goes, possibly prompting him to say he wished all men were single such as himself.

Hi cat,

You're welcome to join in.

Paul is taken to Rome where he is under house arrest, though still preaches the word of God. What happened to Paul afer that. ?

I'm to this where do I start. Would love to join Bible discussions.

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In Revelation chapter 22, I see one part of the message completing in verse 15, with a new part beginning in verse 16. And this is the final appeal by Jesus, for all people who are alive & "athirst" (not those in Hell or consigned in judgement) to come & take of His Life-giving waters freely. Those unrepentant sinners & those consigned in judgement have no second chance, whether at death or at judgement ( Hebrews 9:27).

I understand that you believe that the Lake of Fire is a judgement, however temporary until sinners come to the Truth. This would be a huge discussion to have, rather I would ask three questions: what was then the need for the Cross if hell was temporary?; and why the need to repent now before it's too late ( 2 Corinthians 6:2) & why the urging of Jesus & His apostles to put away sin & live accordingly in newness of mind & spirit, if eventually we all (saved now & unsaved) end up in 'Paradise'?

If these things were not constantly before us as we read the Bible, we could then believe as you do, that there yet remains hope for the unrepentant in this life but who then repents in the next. This teaching I believe, is against God's Word & against Jesus' preaching that we have only this life to come to the Light & repent, for there remains no second chance to the sinner.