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Ira, you write prove you wrong Jesus was not white? Well here you go but I am not sure you shall believe the Bible.

Revelation 1:14 - His [Jesus] HEAD head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,

(Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN BROWN, not black) as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

My Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem and you claim your Christ was crucified in America? what?

He was crucified in America which is spiritual egypt in the bible..his image was crucified and his teachings..no where in the bible is a white christ..if so prove me wrong

Daniel 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

This verse is talking about the rise of America, which is the last kingdom that will fall. Stout stands for the fatness of wealth that American has and ruling over the whole world.

The whore that sits on many WATERS

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The WATERS waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ( are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.)

...... Revelation 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS, keep this in mind.

Revelation 16:6 - For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Revelation 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Mystery Babylon killed the prophets

Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. I do not see Rome here since when did the Lord send prophets to Rome?

Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

the two witnesses of God who confront the false prophet are mentioned here:

Revelation 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.

NOT in Rome nor in Mecca nor in the USA

Go on youtube and look up Kent Hovind and his videos on the WOE Class. I think there is 12 to 14 videos by him on this subject. Very good!!!

What does Stout mean in Daniel 7:20 i.e. "whose look was more stout than his fellows" is it referring to being short and fat, or a physical characteristic. Or does it refer to being bold, larger than, look more imposing??

Thanks you

4. The Fire of God

Hebrews 12:28-29

Therefore, since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom, let us be filled with gratitude, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe. For our God is a consuming fire.

1 Peter 1:7

So that the tested genuineness of your faith-more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire-may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Daniel 7:9-10

"As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire. A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened

This verse refers to a "stream of fire" that came from before God's fiery throne. Is it possible this stream comes from or leads to a..Lake of fire?

In the verses I've provided the scripture clearly teaches us that we are tested by fire, and saved through fire. Jesus' sacrafice on the cross purchased all men, paid for all their sin, and according to the scripture, missing the mark is to sin, and if Jesus meant to save all men, and fails to fufil that promise, he missed the mark, and that would make God a sinner. The whole world is in His hands, not mens hands.

Ephesians 1:10

As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Revelation 5:13

And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"

Every creature; that includes everyone on earth throughout all time, there are no exceptions.

This dream is similar to the dream that God showed to Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel 7:13-The four great beasts are the four kingdoms that will rise from the earth, in the previous chapter, four kingdoms was also mentioned, is this the same prophecy? Is Rome the fourth kingdom?

The first beast is Babylon, Babylon is compared with a lion with eagle wings- Dan 2:38. Babylon was very powerful in those days, ruler of the beast is lion and ruler of the birds is engle.

The 2nd beast is bear- why was the bear raised on one of its side-Persia was stronger than the Media which became the Persian empire. The bear had three ribs in the month-the Persian conquered 3 kingdoms-Babylon, Lydia and Egypt.

The 3rd beast looked like a leopard, Greece is compared to a leopard, leopard is fast and one with wings is even faster, Alexander the Great conquered the whole civilized world in about 8 years. Alexander died at the age of 33, his son was too young to rule and so the kingdom was ruled by four generals, that was why the leopard has four heads.

Rome is the 4th beast, a little known kingdom that waged war against the churches and destroyed them. The little horn kingdom are the anti Christ or satan. The 10 horns are ten kings that will come from these kingdoms.

The little 10 horns will come from Rome, will subdue 3 of the 10 horns, change the laws and times and oppress the saint. Whoever fulfills this is an anti Christ.

Note that the anti christ will come from Rome and will have his own kingdom, and it's own constitution.

The whore that sits on many WATERS

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The WATERS waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ( are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.)

...... Revelation 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.

Revelation 16:6 - For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Revelation 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Mystery Babylon killed the prophets

Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

the two witnesses of God are mentioned here:

Revelation 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.

NOT Rome nor in Mecca or the USA

Daniel chapter 7 prophecies speak of the various earthly kingdoms through the ages. I can't go into too much detail here: you should do further research. But here's a quick outline.

1. v3: the four beasts that Daniel saw, were the four great kingdoms on Earth. The first was a lion with eagle's wings. This represented the Babylonian Empire, during which Daniel lived.

2. v5: the second was a bear & this animal represented the Medo-Persian Empire which succeeded the Babylonian.

3. v6: the third was a leopard with four wings & four heads. This represented the Greek Empire.

4. vv7,8: the fourth beast was indescribable because of its ferocity. And this beast represented the Roman Empire.

"The sea" may have been the Mediterranean Sea, to which all these Empires have some connection to. "The beast with the four wings & the four heads" = the Leopard. Alexander the Great speedily (= the wings) conquered the civilized world by the age of 28 from Illyricum to the River Ganges (= India). As well, after his death, his Empire was divided into four parts (= 4 heads): Asia Minor, Syria, Egypt & Macedonia.

As you know, that all these Empires have come & gone according to prophecy, but there is something still remaining. Even though the Roman Empire has long gone, there are still ten horns from it that exist. We can't tell who these ten rulers are but appear to be some confederation of ten nations who will arise during the day of the Anti-Christ (= little horn, v8), who comes out of the ten nations. See Dan 7:23-25 & Rev 12:3. So there is still prophecy to be fulfilled & we need to be watching out for certain countries that will come to the forefront in preparation for their rebellion against God & His Christ.

I hope this helps you in understanding this passage.

Please I need help on the book of Daniel in 7, pls may some one help explain the prophesy? what does the prophet meant about the sea, the beast with the four wings and four heads? does he mean what has already happened, or what's gonna happen?

Research this info and you will see that the anti christ system is hiding in plain site.

Daniel 7:8,21,25 .....'I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.'

1. IT'S A LITTLE HORN - This is a little kingdom which matches the Vatican State as being the smallest kingdom in the world.

2. IT COMES UP OUT OF THE BEAST - The beast is Rome, and the Roman Catholic Church came to power from the Roman Empire.

3. IT RISES AMONG THE TEN HORNS - The Roman Catholic Church arose amongst the ten nations of Europe.

4. IT RISES TO POWER AFTER THE OTHER TEN HORNS - Rome fell in AD476 and split into the ten kingdoms of Europe. Then the Roman Catholic Church came to power in AD538.

5. UPROOTS THREE OF THE OTHER TEN HORNS - The Roman Catholic Church had three of the original kingdoms of Europe destroyed. The Vandals, Ostrogoths and the Heruli.

6. IT HAS EYES AND MOUTH OF A MAN - So this kingdom has a visible leader at the helm just like the pope.

7. IT PERSECUTES THE SAINTS OF GOD - The Roman Catholic Church killed tens of millions of Christians during it's reign in the "dark ages".

8. IT'S DIVERSE FROM THE OTHER HORNS - The other kingdoms were purely political kingdoms, but this one is "different". The Papal Church of Rome is a political AND religious kingdom

9. IT WILL SPEAK AGAINST GOD - The Roman Catholic Church speaks great boastful words which are against God.

I agree. As we read the Bible, we come up with slightly different perspectives and one of those has to do with the time of the Rapture.

Please, show me your timeline of events recorded in Scripture about the End Time? I will list mine below. Please clarify. Thanks.

1. THE ANTICHRIST. Daniel 7-12

Daniel 9:27 - And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.

2. THE ANTICHRIST EXALTS HIMSELF OVER GOD IN THE TEMPLE.

Matthew 24:15 - when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination of desolation

3. THE GREAT TRIBUALTION.

Matthew 24:21 - at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world

Revelation 7:14 - These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 20:4 - I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the Beast.

4. THE COMING OF CHRIST and RAPTURE.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 - Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him

Matthew 24:3 - when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming

Matthew 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation

Daniel 7:13 - and I saw One like a Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven

1 Thessalonians 4 - we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds

Mark 13:26 - At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.d And He will send out the angels to gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

Revelation 18:4, - Come out of her, My people.

19:1f For the marriage of the Lamb.

I would appreciate insight into Isaiah chapter 30. Verse 26 caught my attention as I was reading and as I read and researched deeper I feel it is an important chapter. At least for me in this season of my life. I feel like Lord has a revellation he is about to show me. Would especially like to hear from those who have wisdom and knowledge of Hebrew and Greek translations and how translation applies to this chapter. Thanks. Praise Jesus

Some believe the ten horns are ten nations like a new world order of the antichrist for goverment and religion to be one and worship him as Christ

I can not prove this from the Bible however the bear is a symbol of russian communism. In the last 100 or so years millions of Christians died at the hands of communism. Stalin killed many more than Hitler ever did and that fact of history is hidden well. I suppose Christian blood is just not important to the printers of history books and the media.

How does the beast of Daniel 7 indicate we are in the last days and what do the ribs in the bears mouth mean, can you give me a good resource for studying Daniel?

Dear Linda; This is the Truth about CHRISTMAS! The church of Rome began formally celebrating Christmas in the 4th century; on December 25 in 336 AD, during the reign of the emperor Constantine. As Constantine had made Christianity the effective religion of the empire, choosing this date TO POLLUTE THE TRUTH with paganism/ pagan celebrations. It is one of the Babylonian practices Rome adopted and deceived Christians. ( Jeremiah 52:31) Saturnalia, the Roman feast for Saturn, was associated with the winter solstice. on a fixed date, 25 December. SUNDAY? On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor-FALSE SABBATH( DANIEL 7:25)

CHRISTMAS? The church of Rome began formally celebrating Christmas in the 4th century; on December 25 in 336 AD, during the reign of the emperor Constantine. As Constantine had made Christianity the effective religion of the empire, some have speculated that choosing this date had the political motive of weakening THE TRUTH with paganism/ pagan celebrations. It is one of the Babylonian practices Rome adopted and deceived Christians. ( Jeremiah 52:31) Saturnalia, the Roman feast for Saturn, was associated with the winter solstice. on a fixed date, 25 December. SUNDAY? On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor( DANIEL 7:25)

CHRISTMAS? The church of Rome began formally celebrating Christmas in the 4th century; on December 25 in 336 AD, during the reign of the emperor Constantine. As Constantine had made Christianity the effective religion of the empire, some have speculated that choosing this date had the political motive of weakening THE TRUTH with paganism/ pagan celebrations. It is one of the Babylonian practices Rome adopted and deceived Christians. ( Jeremiah 52:31) Saturnalia, the Roman feast for Saturn, was associated with the winter solstice. on a fixed date, 25 December. SUNDAY? On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor( DANIEL 7:25)

It is historical and written facts. I believe and trust the kJV and every word of it.

2nd peter3:15 -16
and account that the longsuffering of our lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hardto be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction'. paul did not mention that god's sabbath is the day he is talking about.christ,paul never changed the law of god.do not be decieved.read mathew 5:17-19;24:14-15-20; daniel 7:24-25, 2 thess 2, rev 12 :17sunday worship is a roman practice not for god's elect;it was instituted in the year 321 a.d

Rev 17:12 the kings have authority and power one hour with the beasts, so these kings are used at the end times. Rev 18:17 I think God must use these kings for his purpose to destroy Babylon the great in one hour. No word Rapture, but go back to the original language and meaning of caught up in 1Thess 4:17 this means harpazo -seizing, snatching, obtain by robbery Like a thief in the night ?

Let me help you - First figure out "who" the "Saints" are: Psalms 148:14-He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD. According to this verse, the "saints" are Israelite's and no other nationality. Also look at Psalms 50:5 The word "Rapture" isn't even in the Bible, but ppl talk it up like it is

Bashan is encompassing southern Syria , including Damascus. Which is in ruin now The three shepherds are the three ribs in the mouth of the Bear Daniel 7:5 and the three horns of Daniel 8:20-21. Russia, Iran, and the 1st King, the United States. The foolish shepherd is one of the three that are cut off. Those Shepherds which told their parishes to hold their nose are those with darkened eye

Verse 25 the wearing out of the saints hmm...and to think to change times and laws Sat sabbath changed already to Sun hmm... I wondered does the wearing out the saints dismiss the rapture theory? Much study is still needed.

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Hitherto is the end of the matter. Or we win in the end.

you need to back that up with scripture. but I know you cannot because that is incorrect

Phil, here are some KJV Bible scriptures that may help with your question. Matthew 24:8 Matthew 24:22 Matthew 24:33-34 Romans 8:21-22 Daniel 2:21 Daniel 7:25 Daniel 12:4 Revelation 11:14 Revelation 22:12,20 Zephaniah 1:14.

Yes..The little horn is the antichrist...Papal Rome