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In the King James Version of the Bible: chapters 16-21 are recorded the covenants and the blessings on Abraham's seed: Isaac and Ishmael.
Ishmael: see Genesis 17:18-26, 17:24-26
Genesis 16:11-16, Genesis 21:12-18
The Covenant of the Land of Canaan (Israel)
Genesis 17:7-8
God never meant for history to have experienced all the wars fought in the Middle East. He made Covenants with both of Abraham's sons. Through Ishmael was gained wealth, lands, commerce with powerful princes and kings descended through Abraham.
God had already decided to bless the son born between Abraham and Sarah, even before Ishmael was born. In Gods permissive will, He allowed it; and later gave a covenant inheritance to Ishmael.
Gods Perfect Will was continued through Isaac and his descendants.
He's God. We don't get to tell Him how to bless his people. The Bible says of God: I change NOT.
God chose every human being that was directly involved in producing THE MESSIAH, that would save all mankind that would receive Him.
This is all going to bring everyone on earth, to the Book of Revelation. I know, not everyone accepts it, but it's still there like a gigantic signpost at the end of this road we're all on. It's not going away. Even if we burn all the books and launch all the nukes; it will still be there. That is not me talking; it is the words of the Bible; carried and protected, throughout history. Also known as the Dead Sea scrolls.
Jesus was, and is the Messiah. He wants all sons and daughters of Abraham's seed to trust their mortal and eternal lives with the promised Messiah. All must have their names recorded in his Book of Life. (Read Revelation)
Mishael
Or is it something in your brain
We are to gather with those that call on the Lord with a pure heart , that's important. If they are believing false doctrines or practicing sin they will have an effect on you .
Separation can be lonely at times as far as people go . But the Grace of God is so much better .
In fact, Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, ALL SOULS ARE MINE; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
The Bible even says that in the womb, their days are recorded in a Book.
All of the aborted children (preborn), miscarried and stillborn, death by accidents or murder: their souls go to heaven immediately.
If we can see Jesus's response to the Pharisees comments and the disciples trying to pull the kids off of Jesus .... we will know that Jesus loves children: everything about them. I just believe every child taken by trauma are with Jesus in heaven now. They're alive somewhere. It's too heartbreaking to think of their lives being erased out of that Book. It's contrary to what we know about the character of Jesus.
Mark 10:13-16
And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, "Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it." And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.
There was a study on numbers 10-20 years after abortion was legalized, in the papers. The price of college went up 29% every year, due to reduction of college entrants. It's still going up every year. Ask anyone paying off student loans.
Not only that, but there is less people to pay taxes to support unemployed, under-employed, Medicare, social security, just to name a few.
It's like another sign of the times we are living in.
Talk to you tomorrow, Brother.
M. :)
Carleton
I have another question for you as a Catholic believer, why do some older Catholic Churches present Jesus in a casket up by the altar? I have personally witnessed this in two historic Catholic Churches.
Carleton
I hate to break the news to you, but Baptism is essential to entering into the new covenant of Jesus just as circumcision was essential to entering the old testament covenant. I hope you are Baptized. Wouldn't want you to miss out. And once you are Baptized, your free will allows you to lose your innocence by sinning. Here is where your repentance comes in. If you don't repent, then one gets to go to the smoking section!
Jesus was very specific - Unless you are born of the water and the spirit (Baptism for short) you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. Not sure how that could be any clearer.
blessings,
Mike
The little children you referred to are the 'believers' that start their journey of repentance as babies ( Matthew 11:25; Luke 10:21; Romans 2:20; 1 Cor. 3:1; 1 Peter 2:2).
The word of God is spiritually discerned and not understood by the natural man ( 1 Cor. 2:14).
On the contrary: He that is spiritual judgeth all things ( 1 Cor. 2:15).
The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting, repentings) is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.
It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).
For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).
You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), as mankind follows after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9).
It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world ( 1 John 5:4; Rev. 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).
LUKE 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH.
I'm not quite sure how the topic switched to infant baptism but now that you bring it up, I understand that there are a number of Protestant denominations that do not believe in infant Baptism. Is that expressly forbidden in the Bible? The Church from the beginning has always had infant Baptism. We don't wait to feed a baby until it decides on its own that it needs food. Baptism confers spiritual food, grace and without that, it can't go to Heaven (oh boy, am I going to hear about that one). We are born in sin and a sinful person cannot go to Heaven unless that sin has been removed. Jesus did die for our redemption but that does not void the need for baptism. He told Nicky that "unless a man be born again of water and the spirit He cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven". Jesus didn't specify that he couldn't be a baby either. There are also references in the Bible where Peter went to the Gentile's house under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and baptized the whole household. Can't believe that there weren't some babies in that mix. Just because we are born doesn't mean that we go to Heaven automatically. So, if we love our babies, then let's get them into Jesus family ASAP and then raise them in the Faith. The Jewish tradition set a good example when on the 8th day after birth the male child was circumcised as a "baptism" into the covenant with God. They didn't have any choice in the matter. This is why abortion is so horrific to God. As far as we know, that child will not get the opportunity to join the family of God. Only God's mercy will determine that condition - maybe Limbo - the place where the just went before the Redemption. Lots of questions to be answered when we get to Heaven. But until then, we need to do what is prudent. "Unless you be like little children..."
All things are possible with God, Palm. After all, we were all one before Martin Luther. Let us pray that Jesus wish to the Father ( John 17:21 kjv)
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
We should not underestimate the power of God, Palm. There is nothing that God cannot do. We need to stop our inter-famiily squabbles and come together as Christ wants. After all, we all have the same Master.
AMDG,
Mike
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
I'll try to be respectful, but I'm 70 and don't have many seconds or filters left... but I'll try.
You will make a good Catholic. My guess is that if you were born in the first 1400 years of the Church you would have been one.
I don't think my first questions were loaded at all. I was just trying to show that we solicit intercessory prayer from others (Adam, would you please pray for my mom who is on her deathbed? for example) so there are times that we use alternatives to solicit God's help other than only going right to Him. Intercessory prayer is all over in the bible. Anytime someone comes up to Jesus to have him help someone else, that is intercessory prayer and Jesus honored that.
Apostolic succession (Priesthood in the order of Melchizedek) is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles, something that is impossible in Protestant denominations.
The role of apostolic succession in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. To make sure that the apostles' teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles (before the, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" ( 2 Tim. 2:2).
Lots of untruths about the Church. We DO NOT PRAY TO statues or People. Statues are a physical representation of a spiritual person and we honor (not worship) the person and ask for their help as an intercessor. There are statues in the public sector but we do not worship them either. Humans are visual creatures - statues, icons, pictures give us a representation of who we are asking for intercession. Pictures in wallets perform the same function.
Blessings to you Adam
fellowships where did he get this ?
I apologize for making the devil comment seemingly directed at you. Please forgive me.
What I meant to say was that the devil is behind the Protestant division. He hates the Eucharist as it is such a personal love gift from Jesus to His people.
So the perfect storm happened with Father Martin Luther in 1400s to break off a branch of revolutionaries from "under the thumb" of the Catholic Church into a new dissident group called Protestants which allowed them to do away with many of the fundamental teachings and authority of the Church. You can be assured that the devil was behind this fiasco as he hates the Catholic Church as well.
So Protestantism was able in one fell swoop to get rid of Jesus' priesthood, His established government, His Mass, His Eucharist, and the rest of His grace giving sacraments (save Baptism thanks be to God) etc. This is how the devil has tricked multiple generations of people and deprived them of the full benefits of the Church that Jesus established. This is also why there are more than 30,000 different Christian denominations because there is no authority to govern the splinters and the interpretation of the bible. The Bible needs the Church for true interpretation not visa versa. Without that, 2 people can interpret the same passage different ways and they both can't be right (this thread is an example) and therefore, that is why there are so many different denominations.
So, I rest my case that the fullness of Jesus plan is for us to "all be one" in the Catholic Church that He established, guides and nourishes at every moment. IMHO, there will be a reunification of the Protestants with the Catholic Church and this may happen by the end of the year. If you think that much of a change is impossible, just look what has happen to our world in less than a year. The devil is in his last temper tantrum - fear, division and ultimately the antichrist's appearance. We live in exciting times. Hold on to your booties!
In your first paragraph you asked a couple questions that seem to be loaded with assumptions. I have no idea where those assumptions even come from.
At the end of your first paragraph you mention Peter as head of his church? I don't interpret the verse that way at all. Jesus is the head of the church, not a man or anyone else. You can view a commentary on this on this website which explains it in detail: Link
In your second paragraph you make a case for 'priestly succession', but I believe this conclusion is based on misinterpretions of the scripture. Jesus already said he's the way, no one else. He's the door, no one else. No hierarchy or priesthood is supported by the scriptures as an arbitrator between you and God. The Bible says church can have its own minister, elders and deacons, but that's only for church management, not for a relationship between you and God. Jesus is the way, he's the only way. There's no where in scripture saying people need to pray to a pope and have graven images of them. It says the opposite, though.
Have you not asked other people to pray for you or for some special intention that you have? I'm guessing you have. Why do you do that? Are you not putting a man/woman in-between you and Jesus? Jesus established a new priesthood in the apostles and put Peter as head of His Church on earth ( Mat 16:18+).
The Acts of the Apostles shows in numerous places about priestly succession as well as succession of Peter after he died. Jesus knew his apostles were going to die and designed His Church to continue till the end of time with a priesthood to administer His Sacraments which meant someone else would need to replace Peter as head of the Church and receive the power of the "keys". If you don't like the way Jesus set up His Church government, talk to Him. Technically, the Pope has only invoked the power of Infallibility less than a handful of times and usually not without consulting his advisors. The Lord's Peace brother.