BMR I prayed for you. In order to truly help I pray not for even more money to go in deeper debt, but that you may use what God has already given you to God's glory and have wisdom to prepare for the future. Also that you may feel successful as a mom without giving away money that's not yours. Usually the solution to climb out of this is not to have more money or material things, but to spend within ones means and be a good steward. The best gifts are free, including love, spending time, showing compassion. So the expectation that one must always have money to give to others is a man made false expectation, not one from God.
One of the messages of Jesus's teaching Matthew 25:14-30 shows that God entrusts us with things and it is our responsibility to shall use it with wisdom that is pleasing to Him. I've listened to Dave Ramsey videos online and if you presented your situation to him, he could notice that you first said you lack money and are in debt but already made plans to spend even more on others and are even praying to go deeper into debt (at the expense of others) instead of making good on your existing responsibility to others. His organization and others exist in order to help people in your situation. Bankruptcy and not paying existing contractual obligations is a form of stealing from others- someone else also has a daughter with needs who isn't getting paid, someone else might not afford their own Christmas presents, etc. I doubt that God wants you to take what is due to others in order to give it to your own family instead. Then to pray for a legal loophole to allow you to avoid responsibility so they go unpaid doesn't seem like the right thing. I think Christian brothers and sisters should feel they can tell the truth to each other to truly lift each other up and it would do you a disservice if I didn't mention this. Pray for peace for you and your family.
Day 10 January 10, 2025 Matthew 25:14-30 KJV Spiritual Discipline West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar
I Pray for wisdom to manage my time , talents and resources.
Matthew 25: Verse 14
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
"Jesus Christ is God. Is One to all the World.God's word to believe he is the only God. (Refrence one example applied to servants)
Me REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY example has applied my faith believing Jesus Christ Is God end of law unto New Testament Holy Bible - Romans 8:2 KJV"
Matthew 25 Verse 16
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:" Father and Son are one Jesus Christ is God"
Matthew 25 Verse 19
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY: Says God's word is with faith to receive.
Matthew 25 Verse 20
My Respond:
God will prosper me in all labour's.
Matthew 25 Verse 21:
My Respond:
I believe this scripture helps me to be apart of West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral. Myself identified as member.
Matthew 25 Verse 28
My Respond:
Scripture supports me to have joy on my own life away from the Christian Church
Matthew 25 Verse 29
My Respond:
Supports me to do the will of God attending Sunday Service, giving supporting West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral, Reading my Holy Bible, prayer and fasting.
You said you went through Galatians and Romans as you did because it clearly shows there is but one people of God throughout time.
Gigi what you presented in Galatians is not about "a people to God"
Galatians speaks ofa right relationship with God comes through faith in Jesus Christ, not by following the law.
Gigi the entire Bible speaks of Israel and the Church as two separate people and two people of God.
That's why I presented you Matthew 25:33-40.
There is the sheep on his right hand.
There is the goats on the left.
and there is "one of the least of these my brethren!
Those on his right hand, (The Sheep) is a people of God! He tells them "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Gigi that's one! These are the tribulation saints.
There are those he call "the least of these my brethren! Israel! Gigi that's two!
And the Church is not in this group because this is during the Great Tribulation period and they have already been raptured.
Gigi this would make two people of God presented here in Matthew 25.
It would make three if the Church was included.
You said I mischaracterize you and denigrate you openly.
Gigi I pointed out you misrepresented those scriptures in Galatians when you tried to drive home your point.
Those scriptures you presented was clearly far off topic in regards to this debate.
Gigi you often willingly attack dispensationalists views and you feel that's ok.
And it is ok if you believe they are incorrect.
But you misrepresent scripture often in your arguments and get upset when you are called out on it.
I will leave this conversation with you but I will touch on some things you said in an earlier post and show why I say you are representing a heresy that misrepresent God and is antisemitic.
I'm calm as always but honest in what I see in what you bring scripturally.
Gigi you said It seems to you that I want to discuss what will happen when Jesus returns and you do not want to talk about that at this time and you did not realize that this was the narrow focus of this thread.
Gigi you have been responding with pages to this very topic!
(Heavenly calling to the Church and The promised future Kingdom to Israel. (The Gospel of the kingdom!
Those scriptures you presented has nothing to do with that!
I'm sorry if you are frustrated but it doesnt seem like you represent either belief and how they differ well.
In other words it seems like you study Covenant Theology to represent it to combat Dispensationalism but you don't quite understand it.
I don't study Dispensationalism to become one.
I'm a Dispensationalist because I believe the Promises to Israel will be fulfilled to Israel in a literal Millennium here on earth after the Church is raptured.
Those covenants and countless Promises in the OT is to be literally fulfilled to Israel and not the Church.
I believe in a literal 1,000-year earthly reign of Christ here on earth.
We have been expressing this for atleast a month, and you are saying you didn't know that?
Gigi you said scripture explicitly teaches God has one people and that is the Church.
How many groups of people do you see here in Matthew 25:31-40 and who are they?
There's the sheep on his right hand,
There's the goats on the left.
and there's "these my brethren"
Gigi please tell me who are these three groups of people.
Hallelujah, Praise be to God Almighty who sees all things, Matthew 25:34 You Are the Most High God, the Living God, Almighty Lord and Master. We love Your Holy Name Jesus Christ, Amen
Dear God Father in Heaven, we humbly ask for help in this time of need. We thank You for all things. Also uncertainty in choosing a path. Come with Your wisdom, Lord Jesus, You who know everything about each of us. "Someone" needs and receives wisdom and understanding. We pray that You Lord will plant a new book with a different theme right now Lord Jesus in "Someones" hands. As time is precious, show "Someone" Who You Are. We thank You for answered prayers and with certainty so that nothing can be doubted. Amen in Jesus Christ's Holy Name. Love u Matthew 25:31-46
Day 10 January 10, 2025 Matthew 25:14-30 KJV Spiritual Discipline West Angeles Church Los Angeles California Consecration Calendar
I Pray for wisdom to manage my time , talents and resources.
Matthew 25: Verse 14
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
"Jesus Christ is God. Is One to all the World.God's word to believe he is the only God. (Refrence one example applied to servants)
Me REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY example has applied my faith believing Jesus Christ Is God end of law unto New Testament Holy Bible - Romans 8:2 KJV"
Matthew 25 Verse 16
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:" Father and Son are one Jesus Christ is God"
Matthew 25 Verse 19
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY: Says God's word is with faith to receive.
Matthew 25 Verse 20
My Respond:
God will prosper me in all labour's.
Matthew 25 Verse 21:
My Respond:
I believe this scripture helps me to be apart of West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral. Myself identified as member.
Matthew 25 Verse 28
My Respond:
Scripture supports me to have joy on my own life away from the Christian Church
Matthew 25 Verse 29
My Respond:
Supports me to do the will of God attending Sunday Service, giving supporting West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral, Reading my Holy Bible, prayer and fasting.
If I may, the armies that come from heaven when Jesus returns are angels, as mentioned in Matthew 13:39, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 24:31, Matthew 25:31, Matthew 26:53, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and others.
If the Church, the dead in Christ, are resurrected and those still living are changed and taken to heaven, raptured before Jesus returns. When Jesus does return, who are they in Revelation 20:4-6? The judgment seat of Christ includes some who are here during the time of the beast. That would make another resurrection.
A separate rapture before the second coming would mean two resurrections before the white throne judgment. I can't find that in Scripture. The Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Christ must be the same event.
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Malachi 3:18
"Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."
I understand that the scriptures in
Malachi 3:16 and Matt. 25:33- refers to the RIGHT HAND PEOPLE.
Malachi 3:16
"Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name."King James Version (KJV)
They to whom he promised this reward mentioned in Matt. 25:34
Matthew 25:33
. "another book was opened which is the book of life," refers to the those who are judged by their works that
Jesus named in this Scripture:
"shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:34
"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"
(1) God will judge on what is written in those books. Including his Word to us by the Prophets and His Son. Our High Priest, Jesus Christ.
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
37And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 20:34-38
I was originally quoting Psalm 24 which indicates the characteristic of those worthy to be on His Holy mountain then got wiped out. To avoid what seems to be happening over and over I will let the reader search this Millennial Psalm for themselves where the Messiah arrives to open the gates; meaning the Eastern Gate in Old Jerusalem upon His return. The verses here indicate how God will deal with those dispersed among the nations who call themselves Jews; He will return them to their homeland and those who aren't worshipping idols as surrounding scripture discusses will enter into the Millennial Kingdom; and those who are rebels do not. The more broad "sheep and goat" judgment is mentioned here...
Matthew 25:31
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. This clearly shows a Millennial period fits in; I will discuss this in the next section as it requires a detailed exegesis. The consequences here are eternal; however.
Hello Shahin. If I might come straight to the point: why do you think that Christ's apostles (and of course, many many others so burdened & called) went out preaching the Gospel to all - to save sinners? As you know, not only the apostles, but also believers since those early days, have suffered much & were killed for the sake of the Gospel. Acts 21:10-13 is a good example by Paul. Why should he, and others, be willing to suffer and die so that others might hear the Good News and be saved?
I have shared Christ many times, both in my country and other lands while in ministry. If all the Bible told me was that unbelievers after death would simply perish in the earth, or even suffer for a time & disappear, then I would have no reason at all to warn others or share the Gospel. Is it because that these unfortunate ones would simply be annihilated and not have a part in Christ's Kingdom that is concerning you, or should it be of concern that the Gospel message is preached to save people from an eternal hell because of their sins?
As well, it would be wrong to think that "the idea of eternal hell fire goes back to paganism and not Christianity". Not at all, or else it could said that Jesus was also influenced by pagan beliefs. Rather, consider Matthew 13:40-42; Matthew 25:41,46; Mark 9:43; Luke 16:22-25. These were Jesus' Words and He as the Son of God would not pander to earthly thought or wisdom. If eternal hell is not preached as a necessary part of our Gospel message, we have failed to give out the pure Gospel of Christ. If eternal hell is not a reality, then there is no reason at all to share the message of Love & Hope that can only be found in the Son of God - for if man will simply die and disappear, we may as well stay smug & indifferent in our homes, caring not for the lost; after all they just die & suffer no consequence for their sins.
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Revelation 14:11
"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
Revelation 20:10
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Looking at the parallel between the aformentioned passage regarding Laodicea and Matthew 25:9 is striking. We read
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Many seem to think this is a sarcastic statement or symbolic rather than looking at both of these passages in context and realizing buying something that can be refined like gold in the fire. Let us consider Revelation 3:18 again:
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
This would clearly indicate to me that we are to acquire the strength of God from His heavenly storehouse to bring spiritual reward and treasure and that would therefore cause someone to have white garments to be ready for His presence. That will no doubt motivate a few to get their acts together now; but the bigger picture is that many from the church age will be left behind who are alive at the time of the Rapture as I see it.
If this is too controversial; I suggest just tabling the idea so we can move on. I will introduce the second issue here; that the Spirit of God is indeed here and in spades in the Tribulation just not working as it does now in the Body of Christ and the gifting as well as preservation as it does now. The gates of hell indeed will overtake saints as Daniel states; but now until He comes the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. That is the difference mainly; certainly signs and wonders will be off the charts.
To die as a martyr under what I consider the false church even before the Antichrist kills all from true AND false religion at the midpoint of the Trib will require the Spirit of God to overcome. The rest not written in the Book of Life worship the Beast and are damned.
Nice to share with you again brother Carleton, after a long time. This matter on Hell, which has been given good treatment by brother Jesse in his work going through the NT (which you may have been following), is both interesting & can be the cause for various understandings of the subject.
In the OT, we read of Hell (Sheol) in several places (e.g. Psalm 30:3, understood as 'the grave'; or Psalm 9:17, as a place of suffering). When Jesus even spoke of it (Hades: Luke 16:22-24), it seems that there was a temporal place of suffering or lack of it before Christ's sacrifice for sins. Just a thought: the righteous from the OT (as Abraham was one & was quoted by Jesus), though Abraham's body was still in the grave, his soul/spirit was in that part of Hades. This teaching may have been something new to the people of Jesus' Day, but it establishes the fact that the spirits of all people live on & are sent to a place appointed & not just to the grave. But after the victory was won at the Cross, those OT saints were justified & redeemed (those who waited in hope of God's deliverance/Messiah for them).
As bro. Jesse pointed out, hell (the place of eternal suffering & torment) is really seen in Matthew 5:22 (Gk:"geenna"), & alluded to in Revelation 21:8. Though this hell (Gehenna) was created for the devil and his angels ( Matthew 25:41), sadly it will also be the future abode of all who have despised the LORD and His Word, rejecting His Salvation for their souls. This maybe what you're thinking of, where this Hell wasn't established at first, yet the warning of its future existence was given in the OT and in Jesus' Teaching. Thanks for your thoughts brother on this, for our mutual investigation & understanding.
I need to correct something in the discussion of the 10 virgins, 5 were wise and 5 were foolish.
"And five of them were wise, and five were foolish." Matthew 25:2 KJV
Then I mentioned 20 virgins in total, there were only ten virgins in total:
"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom." Matthew 25:1 KJV
In discussing predestination I could also discuss further the 10 virgins, 5 being wise and 5 being foolish (this is a parable).
I used the free bible dictionary on this website and entered the word parable at the Search the Definition box and it listed a reference for this scripture about bride:
"Frequently used in the ordinary sense ( Isa. 49:18; 61:10, etc.)." The relation between Christ and his church is set forth under the figure of that between a bridegroom and bride ( John 3:29). "The church is called "the bride" ( Rev. 21:9; 22:17). Compare" parable of the Ten Virgins ( Matt. 25:1-13).
Then it also provided a link to explore bride more in depth in the bible.
So in my previous post, I would only ask of the 5 virgins that were foolish, if they were jealous, hating, being reluctant or some other foolish act or intent, because if the bible says you are wise then you are wise and wise people do righteous things for this parable. In everyday life even wise people make mistakes however in the bible when a person is referred to as wise then that settles it, they are wise, without question, then also the foolish are foolish without question.
In terms of a wedding setting, what types of foolish antics could be present. For instance in the parable:
Not having enough oil in the lamp, that was foolish
Wanting the wise virgins to provide oil and not caring or unaware that it was not enough oil for both, that was foolish
Expecting to enter the wedding without enough oil in the lamp, that was foolish
At midnight light is needed no one will be allowed to sit in the dark at the wedding.
My discussion about the predestination, the following scripture was presented:
Back to the parable of the 10 virgins, Matthew 25:1-12Matthew 25:1-12 (KJV)
Some time ago it was shared with me that if a person understands the natural then they can relate it to the spiritual.
The virgins not having enough oil is symbolic of they didn't put in the work to make it and now want to take from someone else, when they had ample time to trim their own lamp, especially since the bridegroom's appearing was delayed. The virgins were going to a wedding, and they appeared to have brought what they needed but they didn't do the work to be fully prepared to attend the wedding, it seems somehow they weren't willing to do what it would take to be prepared to attend the wedding. it's like coming to work without a uniform, they're not going to place you behind the counter, right?
So, based on the natural events about a wedding in today's time, and scripture indicates that there is nothing new under sun. The questions I ask:
Were not the 10 virgins expecting to attend a wedding?
Were not the 10 virgins wanting the wedding to take place? [Jealous with a capital "J:"]
Were they expecting the bridegroom not to show up for some reason? [bride wasn't a virgin?][other gossip?]
Were the 10 virgins not wanting to be there? [Haters?]
Were the 10 virgins hoping that the bridegroom would change his mind, and perhaps consider one of them? if so, no need to trim a lamp, right? [Reluctant]
Were the 20 virgins in total there to support the impending marriage or did some have some other personal agendas?
By the 10 not trimming their lamps they made it about themselves (self got in the way, again?),
When people get together, especially weddings and funerals there is USUALLY drama...
We can note that the old scriptures testify to drama concerning a marriage, when a man wakes up the next morning and finds out that he married someone other than who he intended to marry. Genesis 29:23-25 (KJV)
Many traditions are followed, but do they line up with Scripture? The week Jesus was crucified, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the first day of the week, which would have been the 10th of Nisan. This would be the same day the people were to put up the lamb that would be sacrificed on Passover Day, the 14th of Nisan, Exodus 12:3. The money changers were selling animals for the Passover and other sacrifices. They were also exchanging money for the temple tax or tribute; it had to be a half-shekel.
Each day is recorded in Matthew 21 through Matthew 27:56, Mark 11:1 through Mark 15:41, Luke 19:28 through Luke 23:49, and John 12:1 through John 19:37.
John 12:1 John states it was six days before Passover when they arrived in Bethany, and the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem, which was five days until Passover. Today, this day is referred to as Palm Sunday, the first day of the week.
Day one, 10th of Nisan, Jesus rides into Jerusalem, casts out the money changers and returns to Bethany, and lodges there, Matthew 21:1-17, Mark 11:1-11, Luke 19:1 through Luke 23:49. Luke does not cover the back and forth to Bethany, and John 12:1-50, John then picks up at the Last Supper.
Day two, 11th of Nisan, shows Jesus going back to Jerusalem, the fig tree, casting out the money changers again, just like the first Passover He attended in His three and a half years' ministry, John 2:14-16. The plot started with how to kill Jesus, Matthew 21:18- Matthew 25:46, Mark 11:12 through Mark 13:37, Luke 22:38. Matthew, Mark, and Luke cover Jesus' teachings in the temple, parables, and the Olivet discourse.
Day three, 12th of Nisan, is two days until Passover, Matthew 26:2-13, Mark 14:1-2. The plot to kill Jesus got more intense.
This servant according to verse 30 was cast into "outer darkness". It sounds like hell although some could argue it means into the Tribulation such as the portion with the hypocrites passage in Matthew 24:51. I wouldn't want to chance anything though.
These are among the hardest sayings of the Lord; and we certainly can consider that God may indeed give potential to some with natural abilities and perhaps the potential exists for doing things for the Lord that is wasted. We contrast this with verses about those who are also shut out that say that they did many good works for Him which sounds like investing in the Kingdom in Matthew 7:22-23. This is food for further discussion as I feel ill prepared dealing with these verses.
The narrow road certainly comes into focus with these passages. The last section of Matthew 25: 31-46 show the "sheep and goat" judgment which I would argue is at the end of the Tribulation and relates to the works of those supporting the 144,000 and other suffering believers at that time of persecution. Visiting them and supporting them would likely cost them their lives.
What we can't say is that just doing such works saves somebody; but again we have to look at what works we are doing now and make sure we don't neglect the needs of those in our midst. These are sobering passages.
Trust and dependence on the Son of God, believing in His sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection, Romans 5:8-10. Titus 1:2 states that God has promised eternal life to us from before creation, but it is our future hope in Jesus through faith, as seen in Romans 1:16. This hope has been established for us in Jesus before time; this hope is eternal life. It is not seen or enjoyed now; that is not hope, Romans 8:24-25.
Is Jesus praying for just the disciples or also future believers? This was determined before the foundation of the world, as we see in John 14:3, and Paul confirms it in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. We will see the glory of Christ that the Father has given Him when He returns to establish the kingdom.
Ephesians 1:4 tells us that God chose us in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, and salvation was part of God's plan. The word " chose, " from the Greek word eklego, means to pick out for oneself, to choose, elect, or select. God's plan and purpose for humanity was for us to have eternal life in Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 1:19-20 explains that Jesus, through His obedience to the Father and His sinless life as a lamb without blemish and spot, shed His blood for us. This was foreordained before the foundation of the world. The word " foreordained " is derived from the Greek word proginosko, meaning to know beforehand, representing the foreknowledge of God, a plan manifested in the last times for us. Various verses refer to the foundation of the world, meaning from the creation of the earth and humanity.
Matthew 25:34 speaks of the glory in God's plan, in the mind of God, encompassing all things from beginning to end, something we as humans cannot fully comprehend. We see the culmination of this verse in Revelation 20:11-15.
Are we having World War 3 ? ? Are we having earthquake nationwide ? ? Are Christians being killed for spreading the gospel of grace ? ?
Matthew chapter 24 speak of the Tribulation and we are not even close. We are seen bits and pieces.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matthew 25:8-11
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
To really know when the Tribulation will start, there's has to be a event from Heaven happen first.
1 Corinthians 15:52
Inamoment,inthe twinkling ofan eye,at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,and the dead shall be raisedincorruptible,and we shall be changed.
That's right, the Rapture or the gathering in the clouds by the sound of on trumpet from God will happen first and then the Tribulation will start, but there's hope.
Titus 2:13
Looking for thatblessedhope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
May we all look up today in the clouds for that blessed hope in Christ Jesus.
Ray , in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the Rapture is true and real .
COGIC SUNDAY SCHOOL BOOK 2/9/2025 COGIC Matthew 25:31-46 KJV Worship 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 Jesus Christ God my Father. I Worship a God John 14:6 KJV of faith and works. God to believe in him for marriage. God to deliver from evil - Salvation and Deliverance. God of actions John 3:16 KJV. God of blessing, honor,favor to be heirs. God allow you to serve others with significance of compassion, love, empathy.
Hi Fuji. There is some division in the Christian camp about the ultimate end of those who die rejecting Christ's Gospel, i.e. whether they simply go to the grave & are no more, or, that there will be a resurrection from the dead & under judgement to face God's Wrath. And like all doctrines & teachings we find throughout the Bible, we need to consider all references to the subject matter & not focus on a single verse or two to form a judgement.
Therefore, if we had only John 3:16 to understand the afterlife (whether it exists or not), then we could well believe that 'perish' clearly means a complete cessation of life, as in someone (the body) who perishes in a house fire or perishes by drowning. But in relation to the Scriptures, we know that God has given us a spirit & that spirit is identifies who we are, given life by God, with an outer covering (a body) to house it, yet the spirit can never perish (die). Genesis 2:7; Zechariah 12:1; Job 32:8; 1 Corinthians 2:11; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Ecclesiastes 3:21; Ecclesiastes 12:7.
And then we have the Judgement of God upon all, where those who belong in God's family, living a life consecrated to Him, are eternally secure from damnation, whereas all unbelievers (and their spirits can never be destroyed), suffer under God's condemnation. If only death was our final punishment for rejecting Christ, then we all still have to die as those in sinful, corrupt bodies; none can escape. This is a defective Gospel as most would prefer to cease to exist without any punishment & live life to the full, not answerable to God. But Christ's Sacrifice was to redeem lost sinful souls, not from death, but from God's eternal Punishment. Revelation 20:15; Revelation 21:8; Matthew 10:28; Matthew 13:49,50; Matthew 25:41,46; Mark 9:43; Luke 16:19-31; 2 Thessalonians 1:8,9.
Just a few Scriptures to show the Truth of an Eternal suffering in Hell & not simply disappearing forever in the grave. Every spirit (of man) is accountable to God.
Day 10 January 10, 2025 Matthew 25:14-30 KJV West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar
Matthew 25: Verse 14
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
"Jesus Christ is God. Is One to all the World.God's word to believe he is the only God. (Refrence one example applied to servants)
Me REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY example has applied my faith believing Jesus Christ Is God end of law unto New Testament Holy Bible - Romans 8:2 KJV"
Matthew 25 Verse 16
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:" Father and Son are one Jesus Christ is God"
Matthew 25 Verse 19
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY: Says God's word is with faith to receive.
Matthew 25 Verse 20
My Respond:
God will prosper me in all labour's.
Matthew 25 Verse 21:
My Respond:
I believe this scripture helps me to be apart of West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral. Myself identified as member.
Matthew 25 Verse 28
My Respond:
Scripture supports me to have joy on my own life away from the Christian Church
Matthew 25 Verse 29
My Respond:
Supports me to do the will of God attending Sunday Service, giving supporting West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral, Reading my Holy Bible, prayer and fasting.
I was meaning to get to Scripture verses about the angels tonight, so I am glad you asked.
The sinless angels are called "Elect" and "holy" in Scripture (Mk.8:38; 1 Tim 5:4 for example)
To be elected is to be chosen or selected by the will of God/ To be holy is to be set apart by God. Before creation God did elect the angels who would not sin and determined to set them apart for Himself to be sinless forever. Elect angels and believers are recipients of God's grace (unmerited favor) and their election is solely God's sovereign choice. (Rom. (9 speaks of this).
The angels were all made good and sinless, but God made them moral creatures and therefore, each were able to freely choose to obey or sin even though God selected some to receive grace to not sin.
In Matthew 25:41 Jesus said that the lake of fire was prepared by God for Satan and his angels at creation. This tells us that these angelic beings were not elected to receive God's favor to remain sinless forever and that there is no redemption offered for any sinful angels.
I hope this helps to answer your request. Was there other parts of my post that you question and would like me to further explain with Scripture? I would be happy to address any of your concerns.
As S Spencer has said this is not about salvation, through Jesus we have the gift of eternal life. Please do not be confused, the truth is in the Scriptures with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Many are looking to be taken to heaven before the great tribulation of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet.
We all will be judged Acts 17:31Hebrews 9:272 Corinthians 5:10
There will be two resurrections; the first is when Jesus returns, after Satan, the beast, and the false prophet have their 3.5 years of tribulation, Revelation 13:1-5Matthew 24:29-312 Thessalonians 2:1-5.
When Jesus returns with His angels, the first resurrection, the battle of Armageddon, the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, Satan is locked in the bottomless pit and Jesus will set up the kingdom, and those chosen, and faithful who are first resurrected will rule with Jesus, Revelation 16, 17, 18, 19. After the battle, in Revelation 20:5 we see Thrones and judgment is given to them who were in the first resurrection and given the honor to reign with Jesus during the 1000 years.
We see in Revelation 20:5-6 the rest of the dead lived not until after the 1000 years and the blessing on those who will be priests of God who will reign with Jesus in the millennium on earth, not heaven. There will be different rewards for the saved who will live in eternity with God and Jesus.
In Daniel 12:2-3 we see some will shine greater than others and also, we see those in this resurrection, there will be those who will awake to everlasting life, and some who will awake to everlasting contempt. We also see in John 5:28-29 and Matthew 25:31-46 what we see in the white throne judgment, Revelation 20:11-15 the rest of the dead, some will go into eternal life and some who are not found in the book of life is cast into the lake of fire.
There is much more to study, you should study for your conscience, we must not be deceived Matthew 24:4.
I am sure we all have thought about that, but it is hard to answer. We have a loving and just God wanting all to come to Him and be saved because He gave His only Son for the redemption of sins. Some may say no since the only way to the Father is through the Son but what about those who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus?
All of us have a conscience and the knowledge of good and evil, some get to a point of no return and God gives them over to a reprobate mind, Romans 1:28. Some go so far into evil that their conscience is seared with a hot iron, 1 Timothy 4:2, they do not know good from evil. I do not know if you have ever met someone like that, but you can see cold darkness in their eyes.
If we read Romans 1-16 it is not the hearers of the law but the doers of the law for they, have it written in their heart and their conscience bears witness. Our conscience records all we have ever done or thought. I believe this is about those who have heard the gospel and those who did not have a chance to hear it.
Many take the great white throne judgment as for the lost only, but I believe this is for those who are not in the first resurrection, Revelation 20:4-6. My understanding is the great white throne judgment goes with Daniel 12:2John 5:28-29Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15.
As it says in Revelation 20:15 all that was not found in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. So, to me, this is all the rest of the dead Revelation 20:5 if some were not found, some are found in the Book of Life. Some who lived before Jesus first came and some after Jesus came who never heard the gospel, their conscience bearing witness, will be found in the Book of Life. As we see in John 8:9Acts 24:16Romans 9:12 Corinthians 1:121 Timothy 3:9Hebrews 13:18.
Before the world was ever created, before there ever was an earth, a Mars, a Jupiter, a Venus; before there ever was a sun, or moon, or stars, there was a Heaven. God lived in the Heaven, in fellowship with His angels. It isthought there were three different companies of angels under three different archangels, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer, who is the Devil. Three different (you might say) battalions or regiments of angels. Now Lucifer decided he wanted to take over Heaven, so Lucifer rebelled against God and took his group of the angels and started a war in Heaven. Immediately God put down the rebellion of Lucifer, and cast him and his angels out of Heaven. They were excommunicated from Heaven.
If that be so, immediately God prepared a place for the Devil and these angels, Heaven's fallen angels and the Devil. The place was called Hell. In Matthew 25:41 it says they were cast into everlasting fire "prepared for the devil and his angels." As I have said many times, if you go to Hell, you will be an intruder. Hell was not made for you. But if you do not receive Christ, you will go there, and you will burn forever. I don't care how many degrees you have; I don't care how smart you are; I don't care how rich you are; I don't care how influential you are; you will go to Hell and you will burn forever unless you have been born again. So Hell is a place made for the Devil and his angels. My precious friend, you can be a Baptist, you can be a Methodist, you can be a Presbyterian, you can be a Catholic, you can be an Episcopalian, you can be a Lutheran and all the rest of them; you can be baptized in this pool, and sprinkled in another church, and confirmed in another, and reared in another, but if you die without Jesus Christ, without being born again, the Bible says you will go to Hell and suffer in a bottomless pit.
I believe in Hell people constantly fall forever and forever. There is no bottom to Hell. It is a bottomless pit. While people are burning, BY: DR. HYLES
You wrote: God is going to do the separating of those that are His from those that didn't come from God and are not His. That is why in scripture it is written that in the end of the dispensation of time God will confirm that He never knew them, it is written that...
..."And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23 KJV
Firstly what do you exactly mean with, some are from God and some are not? Do you mean that some are predestinated to believe and others no?
Back to the parable of the 10 virgins, Matthew 25:1-12. At the end of the story Jesus says to the 5 foolish virgins that He doesn't know them. But they are virgins, they were waiting for Him to come, they had light in their lamps, they had oil, maybe not much but they still had. So they are christians, aren't they? Then how come Jesus doesn't know them? Again what is the point of the parable? It is a warning to be ready at any time because when Jesus comes, whether that is the end of our lives or the day of the rapture or the very end, if we do not have sanctification in our lives we will be left out, condemned. Like any other sinner. So He says that He doesn't know us so for us to put it in our mind that the status of being a christian without sanctification will not profit us at all. We will be in this case as any other sinner that Jesus doesn't recognise them as His child. Similarly in Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus says that at the final Judgement there will be christians who had spiritual gifts in their lives but still worked iniquity so they will be considered unknown to Him and will be condemned. Like any other sinner.
Predestination is a big topic and we have had long discussions so far here on this site. Personally I come from a part of the christian world where such doctrines are foreign to christians. GBU
Our Lord JESUS maked this very clear, saying: John 14:1-3
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Matthew 25:31-34 and 41&46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Get ready-> Acts 14:22
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the RIGHTEOUS into life ETERNAL.( Romans 2:7-11.Take a look)
Revelation 20:4
4-And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them( Revelation 11:16-17), and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The most important thing is to be with Him, no matter where or in what place, the problem is to be cast into the fire of hell.--> Matthew 10:28-take a look.
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (42 months or 1260 days- Luke 21:24 combined with Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5-9, take a look); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the END of these things?
9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the END.(this time ARRIVED, get ready)
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and TRIED; the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the WISE shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(END OF THE DISPENSATION OF GRACE), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the END be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the END of the days.-->this time of the END ARRIVED. Matthew 25:29- Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Get ready, be careful. JESUS warned: fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-Mat.10:28.
The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
One of the messages of Jesus's teaching Matthew 25:14-30 shows that God entrusts us with things and it is our responsibility to shall use it with wisdom that is pleasing to Him. I've listened to Dave Ramsey videos online and if you presented your situation to him, he could notice that you first said you lack money and are in debt but already made plans to spend even more on others and are even praying to go deeper into debt (at the expense of others) instead of making good on your existing responsibility to others. His organization and others exist in order to help people in your situation. Bankruptcy and not paying existing contractual obligations is a form of stealing from others- someone else also has a daughter with needs who isn't getting paid, someone else might not afford their own Christmas presents, etc. I doubt that God wants you to take what is due to others in order to give it to your own family instead. Then to pray for a legal loophole to allow you to avoid responsibility so they go unpaid doesn't seem like the right thing. I think Christian brothers and sisters should feel they can tell the truth to each other to truly lift each other up and it would do you a disservice if I didn't mention this. Pray for peace for you and your family.
I Pray for wisdom to manage my time , talents and resources.
Matthew 25: Verse 14
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
"Jesus Christ is God. Is One to all the World.God's word to believe he is the only God. (Refrence one example applied to servants)
Me REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY example has applied my faith believing Jesus Christ Is God end of law unto New Testament Holy Bible - Romans 8:2 KJV"
Matthew 25 Verse 16
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:" Father and Son are one Jesus Christ is God"
Matthew 25 Verse 19
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY: Says God's word is with faith to receive.
Matthew 25 Verse 20
My Respond:
God will prosper me in all labour's.
Matthew 25 Verse 21:
My Respond:
I believe this scripture helps me to be apart of West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral. Myself identified as member.
Matthew 25 Verse 28
My Respond:
Scripture supports me to have joy on my own life away from the Christian Church
Matthew 25 Verse 29
My Respond:
Supports me to do the will of God attending Sunday Service, giving supporting West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral, Reading my Holy Bible, prayer and fasting.
Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
You said you went through Galatians and Romans as you did because it clearly shows there is but one people of God throughout time.
Gigi what you presented in Galatians is not about "a people to God"
Galatians speaks ofa right relationship with God comes through faith in Jesus Christ, not by following the law.
Gigi the entire Bible speaks of Israel and the Church as two separate people and two people of God.
That's why I presented you Matthew 25:33-40.
There is the sheep on his right hand.
There is the goats on the left.
and there is "one of the least of these my brethren!
Those on his right hand, (The Sheep) is a people of God! He tells them "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Gigi that's one! These are the tribulation saints.
There are those he call "the least of these my brethren! Israel! Gigi that's two!
And the Church is not in this group because this is during the Great Tribulation period and they have already been raptured.
Gigi this would make two people of God presented here in Matthew 25.
It would make three if the Church was included.
You said I mischaracterize you and denigrate you openly.
Gigi I pointed out you misrepresented those scriptures in Galatians when you tried to drive home your point.
Those scriptures you presented was clearly far off topic in regards to this debate.
Gigi you often willingly attack dispensationalists views and you feel that's ok.
And it is ok if you believe they are incorrect.
But you misrepresent scripture often in your arguments and get upset when you are called out on it.
I will leave this conversation with you but I will touch on some things you said in an earlier post and show why I say you are representing a heresy that misrepresent God and is antisemitic.
Good night and God bless.
I'm calm as always but honest in what I see in what you bring scripturally.
Gigi you said It seems to you that I want to discuss what will happen when Jesus returns and you do not want to talk about that at this time and you did not realize that this was the narrow focus of this thread.
Gigi you have been responding with pages to this very topic!
(Heavenly calling to the Church and The promised future Kingdom to Israel. (The Gospel of the kingdom!
Those scriptures you presented has nothing to do with that!
I'm sorry if you are frustrated but it doesnt seem like you represent either belief and how they differ well.
In other words it seems like you study Covenant Theology to represent it to combat Dispensationalism but you don't quite understand it.
I don't study Dispensationalism to become one.
I'm a Dispensationalist because I believe the Promises to Israel will be fulfilled to Israel in a literal Millennium here on earth after the Church is raptured.
Those covenants and countless Promises in the OT is to be literally fulfilled to Israel and not the Church.
I believe in a literal 1,000-year earthly reign of Christ here on earth.
We have been expressing this for atleast a month, and you are saying you didn't know that?
Gigi you said scripture explicitly teaches God has one people and that is the Church.
How many groups of people do you see here in Matthew 25:31-40 and who are they?
There's the sheep on his right hand,
There's the goats on the left.
and there's "these my brethren"
Gigi please tell me who are these three groups of people.
Blessings.
Love u
I Pray for wisdom to manage my time , talents and resources.
Matthew 25: Verse 14
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
"Jesus Christ is God. Is One to all the World.God's word to believe he is the only God. (Refrence one example applied to servants)
Me REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY example has applied my faith believing Jesus Christ Is God end of law unto New Testament Holy Bible - Romans 8:2 KJV"
Matthew 25 Verse 16
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:" Father and Son are one Jesus Christ is God"
Matthew 25 Verse 19
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY: Says God's word is with faith to receive.
Matthew 25 Verse 20
My Respond:
God will prosper me in all labour's.
Matthew 25 Verse 21:
My Respond:
I believe this scripture helps me to be apart of West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral. Myself identified as member.
Matthew 25 Verse 28
My Respond:
Scripture supports me to have joy on my own life away from the Christian Church
Matthew 25 Verse 29
My Respond:
Supports me to do the will of God attending Sunday Service, giving supporting West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral, Reading my Holy Bible, prayer and fasting.
Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
If I may, the armies that come from heaven when Jesus returns are angels, as mentioned in Matthew 13:39, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 24:31, Matthew 25:31, Matthew 26:53, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and others.
If the Church, the dead in Christ, are resurrected and those still living are changed and taken to heaven, raptured before Jesus returns. When Jesus does return, who are they in Revelation 20:4-6? The judgment seat of Christ includes some who are here during the time of the beast. That would make another resurrection.
A separate rapture before the second coming would mean two resurrections before the white throne judgment. I can't find that in Scripture. The Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Christ must be the same event.
God bless,
RLW
Revelation 20:12-15.
PART ( 1)
My question in regard to verse
Revelation 20:12
How many books were opened?
Where is the reference to sins we have committed?
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Malachi 3:18
"Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."
I understand that the scriptures in
Malachi 3:16 and Matt. 25:33- refers to the RIGHT HAND PEOPLE.
Malachi 3:16
"Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name."King James Version (KJV)
They to whom he promised this reward mentioned in Matt. 25:34
Matthew 25:33
. "another book was opened which is the book of life," refers to the those who are judged by their works that
Jesus named in this Scripture:
"shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:34
"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"
(1) God will judge on what is written in those books. Including his Word to us by the Prophets and His Son. Our High Priest, Jesus Christ.
(2) GOD's judgement is based o
35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
37And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 20:34-38
I was originally quoting Psalm 24 which indicates the characteristic of those worthy to be on His Holy mountain then got wiped out. To avoid what seems to be happening over and over I will let the reader search this Millennial Psalm for themselves where the Messiah arrives to open the gates; meaning the Eastern Gate in Old Jerusalem upon His return. The verses here indicate how God will deal with those dispersed among the nations who call themselves Jews; He will return them to their homeland and those who aren't worshipping idols as surrounding scripture discusses will enter into the Millennial Kingdom; and those who are rebels do not. The more broad "sheep and goat" judgment is mentioned here...
Matthew 25:31
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. This clearly shows a Millennial period fits in; I will discuss this in the next section as it requires a detailed exegesis. The consequences here are eternal; however.
I have shared Christ many times, both in my country and other lands while in ministry. If all the Bible told me was that unbelievers after death would simply perish in the earth, or even suffer for a time & disappear, then I would have no reason at all to warn others or share the Gospel. Is it because that these unfortunate ones would simply be annihilated and not have a part in Christ's Kingdom that is concerning you, or should it be of concern that the Gospel message is preached to save people from an eternal hell because of their sins?
As well, it would be wrong to think that "the idea of eternal hell fire goes back to paganism and not Christianity". Not at all, or else it could said that Jesus was also influenced by pagan beliefs. Rather, consider Matthew 13:40-42; Matthew 25:41,46; Mark 9:43; Luke 16:22-25. These were Jesus' Words and He as the Son of God would not pander to earthly thought or wisdom. If eternal hell is not preached as a necessary part of our Gospel message, we have failed to give out the pure Gospel of Christ. If eternal hell is not a reality, then there is no reason at all to share the message of Love & Hope that can only be found in the Son of God - for if man will simply die and disappear, we may as well stay smug & indifferent in our homes, caring not for the lost; after all they just die & suffer no consequence for their sins.
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Revelation 14:11
"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
Revelation 20:10
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Blessings
Looking at the parallel between the aformentioned passage regarding Laodicea and Matthew 25:9 is striking. We read
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Many seem to think this is a sarcastic statement or symbolic rather than looking at both of these passages in context and realizing buying something that can be refined like gold in the fire. Let us consider Revelation 3:18 again:
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
This would clearly indicate to me that we are to acquire the strength of God from His heavenly storehouse to bring spiritual reward and treasure and that would therefore cause someone to have white garments to be ready for His presence. That will no doubt motivate a few to get their acts together now; but the bigger picture is that many from the church age will be left behind who are alive at the time of the Rapture as I see it.
If this is too controversial; I suggest just tabling the idea so we can move on. I will introduce the second issue here; that the Spirit of God is indeed here and in spades in the Tribulation just not working as it does now in the Body of Christ and the gifting as well as preservation as it does now. The gates of hell indeed will overtake saints as Daniel states; but now until He comes the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. That is the difference mainly; certainly signs and wonders will be off the charts.
To die as a martyr under what I consider the false church even before the Antichrist kills all from true AND false religion at the midpoint of the Trib will require the Spirit of God to overcome. The rest not written in the Book of Life worship the Beast and are damned.
In the OT, we read of Hell (Sheol) in several places (e.g. Psalm 30:3, understood as 'the grave'; or Psalm 9:17, as a place of suffering). When Jesus even spoke of it (Hades: Luke 16:22-24), it seems that there was a temporal place of suffering or lack of it before Christ's sacrifice for sins. Just a thought: the righteous from the OT (as Abraham was one & was quoted by Jesus), though Abraham's body was still in the grave, his soul/spirit was in that part of Hades. This teaching may have been something new to the people of Jesus' Day, but it establishes the fact that the spirits of all people live on & are sent to a place appointed & not just to the grave. But after the victory was won at the Cross, those OT saints were justified & redeemed (those who waited in hope of God's deliverance/Messiah for them).
As bro. Jesse pointed out, hell (the place of eternal suffering & torment) is really seen in Matthew 5:22 (Gk:"geenna"), & alluded to in Revelation 21:8. Though this hell (Gehenna) was created for the devil and his angels ( Matthew 25:41), sadly it will also be the future abode of all who have despised the LORD and His Word, rejecting His Salvation for their souls. This maybe what you're thinking of, where this Hell wasn't established at first, yet the warning of its future existence was given in the OT and in Jesus' Teaching. Thanks for your thoughts brother on this, for our mutual investigation & understanding.
"And five of them were wise, and five were foolish." Matthew 25:2 KJV
Then I mentioned 20 virgins in total, there were only ten virgins in total:
"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom." Matthew 25:1 KJV
In discussing predestination I could also discuss further the 10 virgins, 5 being wise and 5 being foolish (this is a parable).
I used the free bible dictionary on this website and entered the word parable at the Search the Definition box and it listed a reference for this scripture about bride:
"Frequently used in the ordinary sense ( Isa. 49:18; 61:10, etc.)." The relation between Christ and his church is set forth under the figure of that between a bridegroom and bride ( John 3:29). "The church is called "the bride" ( Rev. 21:9; 22:17). Compare" parable of the Ten Virgins ( Matt. 25:1-13).
Then it also provided a link to explore bride more in depth in the bible.
So in my previous post, I would only ask of the 5 virgins that were foolish, if they were jealous, hating, being reluctant or some other foolish act or intent, because if the bible says you are wise then you are wise and wise people do righteous things for this parable. In everyday life even wise people make mistakes however in the bible when a person is referred to as wise then that settles it, they are wise, without question, then also the foolish are foolish without question.
In terms of a wedding setting, what types of foolish antics could be present. For instance in the parable:
Not having enough oil in the lamp, that was foolish
Wanting the wise virgins to provide oil and not caring or unaware that it was not enough oil for both, that was foolish
Expecting to enter the wedding without enough oil in the lamp, that was foolish
At midnight light is needed no one will be allowed to sit in the dark at the wedding.
Back to the parable of the 10 virgins, Matthew 25:1-12Matthew 25:1-12 (KJV)
Some time ago it was shared with me that if a person understands the natural then they can relate it to the spiritual.
The virgins not having enough oil is symbolic of they didn't put in the work to make it and now want to take from someone else, when they had ample time to trim their own lamp, especially since the bridegroom's appearing was delayed. The virgins were going to a wedding, and they appeared to have brought what they needed but they didn't do the work to be fully prepared to attend the wedding, it seems somehow they weren't willing to do what it would take to be prepared to attend the wedding. it's like coming to work without a uniform, they're not going to place you behind the counter, right?
So, based on the natural events about a wedding in today's time, and scripture indicates that there is nothing new under sun. The questions I ask:
Were not the 10 virgins expecting to attend a wedding?
Were not the 10 virgins wanting the wedding to take place? [Jealous with a capital "J:"]
Were they expecting the bridegroom not to show up for some reason? [bride wasn't a virgin?][other gossip?]
Were the 10 virgins not wanting to be there? [Haters?]
Were the 10 virgins hoping that the bridegroom would change his mind, and perhaps consider one of them? if so, no need to trim a lamp, right? [Reluctant]
Were the 20 virgins in total there to support the impending marriage or did some have some other personal agendas?
By the 10 not trimming their lamps they made it about themselves (self got in the way, again?),
When people get together, especially weddings and funerals there is USUALLY drama...
We can note that the old scriptures testify to drama concerning a marriage, when a man wakes up the next morning and finds out that he married someone other than who he intended to marry. Genesis 29:23-25 (KJV)
Many traditions are followed, but do they line up with Scripture? The week Jesus was crucified, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the first day of the week, which would have been the 10th of Nisan. This would be the same day the people were to put up the lamb that would be sacrificed on Passover Day, the 14th of Nisan, Exodus 12:3. The money changers were selling animals for the Passover and other sacrifices. They were also exchanging money for the temple tax or tribute; it had to be a half-shekel.
Each day is recorded in Matthew 21 through Matthew 27:56, Mark 11:1 through Mark 15:41, Luke 19:28 through Luke 23:49, and John 12:1 through John 19:37.
John 12:1 John states it was six days before Passover when they arrived in Bethany, and the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem, which was five days until Passover. Today, this day is referred to as Palm Sunday, the first day of the week.
Day one, 10th of Nisan, Jesus rides into Jerusalem, casts out the money changers and returns to Bethany, and lodges there, Matthew 21:1-17, Mark 11:1-11, Luke 19:1 through Luke 23:49. Luke does not cover the back and forth to Bethany, and John 12:1-50, John then picks up at the Last Supper.
Day two, 11th of Nisan, shows Jesus going back to Jerusalem, the fig tree, casting out the money changers again, just like the first Passover He attended in His three and a half years' ministry, John 2:14-16. The plot started with how to kill Jesus, Matthew 21:18- Matthew 25:46, Mark 11:12 through Mark 13:37, Luke 22:38. Matthew, Mark, and Luke cover Jesus' teachings in the temple, parables, and the Olivet discourse.
Day three, 12th of Nisan, is two days until Passover, Matthew 26:2-13, Mark 14:1-2. The plot to kill Jesus got more intense.
See part 2
This servant according to verse 30 was cast into "outer darkness". It sounds like hell although some could argue it means into the Tribulation such as the portion with the hypocrites passage in Matthew 24:51. I wouldn't want to chance anything though.
These are among the hardest sayings of the Lord; and we certainly can consider that God may indeed give potential to some with natural abilities and perhaps the potential exists for doing things for the Lord that is wasted. We contrast this with verses about those who are also shut out that say that they did many good works for Him which sounds like investing in the Kingdom in Matthew 7:22-23. This is food for further discussion as I feel ill prepared dealing with these verses.
The narrow road certainly comes into focus with these passages. The last section of Matthew 25: 31-46 show the "sheep and goat" judgment which I would argue is at the end of the Tribulation and relates to the works of those supporting the 144,000 and other suffering believers at that time of persecution. Visiting them and supporting them would likely cost them their lives.
What we can't say is that just doing such works saves somebody; but again we have to look at what works we are doing now and make sure we don't neglect the needs of those in our midst. These are sobering passages.
Part 6
Trust and dependence on the Son of God, believing in His sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection, Romans 5:8-10. Titus 1:2 states that God has promised eternal life to us from before creation, but it is our future hope in Jesus through faith, as seen in Romans 1:16. This hope has been established for us in Jesus before time; this hope is eternal life. It is not seen or enjoyed now; that is not hope, Romans 8:24-25.
Is Jesus praying for just the disciples or also future believers? This was determined before the foundation of the world, as we see in John 14:3, and Paul confirms it in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. We will see the glory of Christ that the Father has given Him when He returns to establish the kingdom.
Ephesians 1:4 tells us that God chose us in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, and salvation was part of God's plan. The word " chose, " from the Greek word eklego, means to pick out for oneself, to choose, elect, or select. God's plan and purpose for humanity was for us to have eternal life in Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 1:19-20 explains that Jesus, through His obedience to the Father and His sinless life as a lamb without blemish and spot, shed His blood for us. This was foreordained before the foundation of the world. The word " foreordained " is derived from the Greek word proginosko, meaning to know beforehand, representing the foreknowledge of God, a plan manifested in the last times for us. Various verses refer to the foundation of the world, meaning from the creation of the earth and humanity.
Matthew 25:34 speaks of the glory in God's plan, in the mind of God, encompassing all things from beginning to end, something we as humans cannot fully comprehend. We see the culmination of this verse in Revelation 20:11-15.
See part 7.
Are we having World War 3 ? ? Are we having earthquake nationwide ? ? Are Christians being killed for spreading the gospel of grace ? ?
Matthew chapter 24 speak of the Tribulation and we are not even close. We are seen bits and pieces.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matthew 25:8-11
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
To really know when the Tribulation will start, there's has to be a event from Heaven happen first.
1 Corinthians 15:52
Inamoment,inthe twinkling ofan eye,at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,and the dead shall be raisedincorruptible,and we shall be changed.
That's right, the Rapture or the gathering in the clouds by the sound of on trumpet from God will happen first and then the Tribulation will start, but there's hope.
Titus 2:13
Looking for thatblessedhope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
May we all look up today in the clouds for that blessed hope in Christ Jesus.
Ray , in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the Rapture is true and real .
Therefore, if we had only John 3:16 to understand the afterlife (whether it exists or not), then we could well believe that 'perish' clearly means a complete cessation of life, as in someone (the body) who perishes in a house fire or perishes by drowning. But in relation to the Scriptures, we know that God has given us a spirit & that spirit is identifies who we are, given life by God, with an outer covering (a body) to house it, yet the spirit can never perish (die). Genesis 2:7; Zechariah 12:1; Job 32:8; 1 Corinthians 2:11; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Ecclesiastes 3:21; Ecclesiastes 12:7.
And then we have the Judgement of God upon all, where those who belong in God's family, living a life consecrated to Him, are eternally secure from damnation, whereas all unbelievers (and their spirits can never be destroyed), suffer under God's condemnation. If only death was our final punishment for rejecting Christ, then we all still have to die as those in sinful, corrupt bodies; none can escape. This is a defective Gospel as most would prefer to cease to exist without any punishment & live life to the full, not answerable to God. But Christ's Sacrifice was to redeem lost sinful souls, not from death, but from God's eternal Punishment. Revelation 20:15; Revelation 21:8; Matthew 10:28; Matthew 13:49,50; Matthew 25:41,46; Mark 9:43; Luke 16:19-31; 2 Thessalonians 1:8,9.
Just a few Scriptures to show the Truth of an Eternal suffering in Hell & not simply disappearing forever in the grave. Every spirit (of man) is accountable to God.
Matthew 25: Verse 14
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
"Jesus Christ is God. Is One to all the World.God's word to believe he is the only God. (Refrence one example applied to servants)
Me REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY example has applied my faith believing Jesus Christ Is God end of law unto New Testament Holy Bible - Romans 8:2 KJV"
Matthew 25 Verse 16
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:" Father and Son are one Jesus Christ is God"
Matthew 25 Verse 19
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY: Says God's word is with faith to receive.
Matthew 25 Verse 20
My Respond:
God will prosper me in all labour's.
Matthew 25 Verse 21:
My Respond:
I believe this scripture helps me to be apart of West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral. Myself identified as member.
Matthew 25 Verse 28
My Respond:
Scripture supports me to have joy on my own life away from the Christian Church
Matthew 25 Verse 29
My Respond:
Supports me to do the will of God attending Sunday Service, giving supporting West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral, Reading my Holy Bible, prayer and fasting.
Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
I was meaning to get to Scripture verses about the angels tonight, so I am glad you asked.
The sinless angels are called "Elect" and "holy" in Scripture (Mk.8:38; 1 Tim 5:4 for example)
To be elected is to be chosen or selected by the will of God/ To be holy is to be set apart by God. Before creation God did elect the angels who would not sin and determined to set them apart for Himself to be sinless forever. Elect angels and believers are recipients of God's grace (unmerited favor) and their election is solely God's sovereign choice. (Rom. (9 speaks of this).
The angels were all made good and sinless, but God made them moral creatures and therefore, each were able to freely choose to obey or sin even though God selected some to receive grace to not sin.
In Matthew 25:41 Jesus said that the lake of fire was prepared by God for Satan and his angels at creation. This tells us that these angelic beings were not elected to receive God's favor to remain sinless forever and that there is no redemption offered for any sinful angels.
I hope this helps to answer your request. Was there other parts of my post that you question and would like me to further explain with Scripture? I would be happy to address any of your concerns.
As S Spencer has said this is not about salvation, through Jesus we have the gift of eternal life. Please do not be confused, the truth is in the Scriptures with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Many are looking to be taken to heaven before the great tribulation of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet.
We all will be judged Acts 17:31 Hebrews 9:27 2 Corinthians 5:10
There will be two resurrections; the first is when Jesus returns, after Satan, the beast, and the false prophet have their 3.5 years of tribulation, Revelation 13:1-5 Matthew 24:29-31 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5.
When Jesus returns with His angels, the first resurrection, the battle of Armageddon, the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, Satan is locked in the bottomless pit and Jesus will set up the kingdom, and those chosen, and faithful who are first resurrected will rule with Jesus, Revelation 16, 17, 18, 19. After the battle, in Revelation 20:5 we see Thrones and judgment is given to them who were in the first resurrection and given the honor to reign with Jesus during the 1000 years.
We see in Revelation 20:5-6 the rest of the dead lived not until after the 1000 years and the blessing on those who will be priests of God who will reign with Jesus in the millennium on earth, not heaven. There will be different rewards for the saved who will live in eternity with God and Jesus.
In Daniel 12:2-3 we see some will shine greater than others and also, we see those in this resurrection, there will be those who will awake to everlasting life, and some who will awake to everlasting contempt. We also see in John 5:28-29 and Matthew 25:31-46 what we see in the white throne judgment, Revelation 20:11-15 the rest of the dead, some will go into eternal life and some who are not found in the book of life is cast into the lake of fire.
There is much more to study, you should study for your conscience, we must not be deceived Matthew 24:4.
God bless,
RLW
I am sure we all have thought about that, but it is hard to answer. We have a loving and just God wanting all to come to Him and be saved because He gave His only Son for the redemption of sins. Some may say no since the only way to the Father is through the Son but what about those who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus?
All of us have a conscience and the knowledge of good and evil, some get to a point of no return and God gives them over to a reprobate mind, Romans 1:28. Some go so far into evil that their conscience is seared with a hot iron, 1 Timothy 4:2, they do not know good from evil. I do not know if you have ever met someone like that, but you can see cold darkness in their eyes.
If we read Romans 1-16 it is not the hearers of the law but the doers of the law for they, have it written in their heart and their conscience bears witness. Our conscience records all we have ever done or thought. I believe this is about those who have heard the gospel and those who did not have a chance to hear it.
Many take the great white throne judgment as for the lost only, but I believe this is for those who are not in the first resurrection, Revelation 20:4-6. My understanding is the great white throne judgment goes with Daniel 12:2 John 5:28-29 Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15.
As it says in Revelation 20:15 all that was not found in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. So, to me, this is all the rest of the dead Revelation 20:5 if some were not found, some are found in the Book of Life. Some who lived before Jesus first came and some after Jesus came who never heard the gospel, their conscience bearing witness, will be found in the Book of Life. As we see in John 8:9 Acts 24:16 Romans 9:1 2 Corinthians 1:12 1 Timothy 3:9 Hebrews 13:18.
This is my understanding.
God bless,
RLW
If that be so, immediately God prepared a place for the Devil and these angels, Heaven's fallen angels and the Devil. The place was called Hell. In Matthew 25:41 it says they were cast into everlasting fire "prepared for the devil and his angels." As I have said many times, if you go to Hell, you will be an intruder. Hell was not made for you. But if you do not receive Christ, you will go there, and you will burn forever. I don't care how many degrees you have; I don't care how smart you are; I don't care how rich you are; I don't care how influential you are; you will go to Hell and you will burn forever unless you have been born again. So Hell is a place made for the Devil and his angels. My precious friend, you can be a Baptist, you can be a Methodist, you can be a Presbyterian, you can be a Catholic, you can be an Episcopalian, you can be a Lutheran and all the rest of them; you can be baptized in this pool, and sprinkled in another church, and confirmed in another, and reared in another, but if you die without Jesus Christ, without being born again, the Bible says you will go to Hell and suffer in a bottomless pit.
I believe in Hell people constantly fall forever and forever. There is no bottom to Hell. It is a bottomless pit. While people are burning, BY: DR. HYLES
You wrote: God is going to do the separating of those that are His from those that didn't come from God and are not His. That is why in scripture it is written that in the end of the dispensation of time God will confirm that He never knew them, it is written that...
..."And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23 KJV
Firstly what do you exactly mean with, some are from God and some are not? Do you mean that some are predestinated to believe and others no?
Back to the parable of the 10 virgins, Matthew 25:1-12. At the end of the story Jesus says to the 5 foolish virgins that He doesn't know them. But they are virgins, they were waiting for Him to come, they had light in their lamps, they had oil, maybe not much but they still had. So they are christians, aren't they? Then how come Jesus doesn't know them? Again what is the point of the parable? It is a warning to be ready at any time because when Jesus comes, whether that is the end of our lives or the day of the rapture or the very end, if we do not have sanctification in our lives we will be left out, condemned. Like any other sinner. So He says that He doesn't know us so for us to put it in our mind that the status of being a christian without sanctification will not profit us at all. We will be in this case as any other sinner that Jesus doesn't recognise them as His child. Similarly in Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus says that at the final Judgement there will be christians who had spiritual gifts in their lives but still worked iniquity so they will be considered unknown to Him and will be condemned. Like any other sinner.
Predestination is a big topic and we have had long discussions so far here on this site. Personally I come from a part of the christian world where such doctrines are foreign to christians. GBU
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Matthew 25:31-34 and 41&46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Get ready-> Acts 14:22
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the RIGHTEOUS into life ETERNAL.( Romans 2:7-11.Take a look)
Revelation 20:4
4-And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them( Revelation 11:16-17), and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The most important thing is to be with Him, no matter where or in what place, the problem is to be cast into the fire of hell.--> Matthew 10:28-take a look.
GOD BLESS
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (42 months or 1260 days- Luke 21:24 combined with Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5-9, take a look); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the END of these things?
9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the END.(this time ARRIVED, get ready)
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and TRIED; the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the WISE shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(END OF THE DISPENSATION OF GRACE), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the END be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the END of the days.-->this time of the END ARRIVED. Matthew 25:29- Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Get ready, be careful. JESUS warned: fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-Mat.10:28.
The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?