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Hi, Il want to send some words to you all in this day. ( night here in north) Stay blessed and reach out to the word of God everyday. Ask for Spirit of wisdom and knowledge. It will give all what we need. Medicine for body and soul. The word sets us free from habits and what we are chained to. And most of all we get to know our Lord and Master Jesus Christ. Never loose hope! Oh yhe the word.

2 Tess 2:1-12

Have a glorious day in Jesus name, Amen ps. remember to pray for and with each other. Jesus Christs love is real!

Hi Bemtivi.

Welcome to the site.

I would like to talk a little bit on what you stated.

Your quote;

"It's amazing how looking at the Bible from different perspectives shows us that everyone has their own way of seeing things - and honestly, it makes the world much more interesting." End quote.

The Bible is not based on everyone's perspectives, in fact the Bible is a collection of books inspired by God and is the word of God.

Scripture is not based off anyone's perspective.

(All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:)

2 Tim 3:16.

How does the scripture reprove anyone if all scripture is based off various perspectives?

How could scripture be correction, for instruction in righteousness if it's based off various perspectives?

Different interpretations of the scripture arise from varying experiences, cultural belief and Etc..

But God's word has direct purpose and meaning and cannot be altered.

We learn as we grow and let the scripture explain itself.

There has always been Man's perspective and then there's TRUTH!

We seek truth that we may know God and that's only done by the Spirit of truth! (The Holyspirit!)

I do agree with you on one thing, You said different perspectives shows us that everyone has their own way of seeing things and the world would be much more interesting.

Well, that's the condition of the present world we live in! ( everyone has their own way of seeing things.)

And yes it's interesting but it's chaos.

The Bible doesn't speak well about the world or man's perspective.

Here's Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:11-16.

Jesus didn't leave us alone, he sent us his Spirit to instruct us from the "in ward parts" Our heart. This is Lordship!

Without it we would be like Israel without a King!

Judges 17:6 and Judges 21:25.

Thank you Bemtivi for letting me elaborate on this a bit, it's very important.

God bless.

Dear "Forgiven3"

I'm not sure if you want my own commentary on the subject or those which have been posted here. I probably did some study on it in the past; certainly Predestination is an intricate subject and I've given my opinions about it and scriptural backing.

Please pray for us as we meet today with our neighbor over the property dispute. Pray that my husband follows the lead of the Holy Spirit in conversing with this neighbor as he told me to let him do the talking, which I will honor.

Mother Mac

I look forward to getting to know you more.

Dear Jeanie,

I will be praying for your husband. may the Lord bless him with a reversal of the cancer and a healed liver. Keep us posted so we can be reminded to continue to pray for him.

Hello Forgiven3,

If you go to the main page of this site and click odn KJVStandard you will come to a page where you can select book, chapter. Click to Romans 8. When you come to that page you will find a button for Commentaries at the bottom. This is where you can click to read Matthew Henry's. Also, there is a button for Discussion where you can find discussion on this chapter from people on this forum.

Ever since I was little, I've asked God for the gift of tongues, knowing it's a gift that helps the person who receives it.

From what I understand from your text, I didn't know much about the debate between cessationists and continuationists, and I don't want to label anyone...

With God's help, I try to maintain a peaceful heart and avoid arguments or conversations that don't truly help anyone grow.

I truly value the solitude God gives me - it's where I find space to reflect and grow.

I'm also praying for peace in your dad's heart and in yours as well.

I've been keeping your study in my list too.

It's amazing how looking at the Bible from different perspectives shows us that everyone has their own way of seeing things - and honestly, it makes the world much more interesting.

I had misplaced Solomon being the result of Davids adulterous sin with Bathsheba; surely

I had read that. I have spent so much time in the New Testament; sparingly reading the Old. In years past mainly reading Psalms, Proverbs, Genesis; so I need to visit the Old more.

I did get sidetracked momentarily, please excuse me.

I would like commentary and footnote detail for Romans chapter 8; I this morning I began reading up to verse 5, stopping, then coming back to it now. Verse 8, I stopped to search for this, me asking for commentary and footnotes for the chapter.

I have the original KJV with footnotes, albeit having theological commentary would be great if available.

Thank you, as we follow the Spirit of our living God in Christ Jesus

just for clarity, distinction: evil, disasters, calamity occur when man separates himself from G-d (ie sin, transgressions), and when G-d separates himself from man (diluvial, departing the Temple). when and what needs spiritual discernment (ref Is 45:8)

Excellent response, Chris !!

Footnotes and commentary for Romans chapter. 8

Ecclesiastes: An introduction

There are many themes in this book; some of which are familiar such as vanity; and the brevity of life. Other issues such as a description of the hydrological cycle of the earth (chapter 1); and avoiding the snares of a wicked woman are also seen in Proverbs. The concept of the fact that all are sinners is seen in chapter 9 verse 20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Of course the ending states this in chapter 12:13-14 -When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man. 14For God will bring every deed into judgment, along with every hidden thing, whether good or evil.

I'm debating how much detail to put into each section of the book with these repeated themes. Many of you probably know that Solomon had wrecked his life and much of this was deliberate disobedience to what the Lord had warned him in not multiplying women and marrying from foreign nations; not multiplying horses and silver and gold and such. He not only had warnings from God that the results would be catastrophic; but the example of David his father who was unable to complete the Temple being a "man of war" as 1 Chronicles 28:3 states. He no doubt was cognizant of his own family history being the descendant of David and Bathsheba and all the struggles David endured due to this and other sin such as the situation with Absolom. He would sadly be unable to continue the successful reign and Israel would decline after his death; his own life likely cut short. Instead of the Kingdom being manifest and completed in his reign it would happen with Christ who eventually will come back to fulfill all the prophecies as the son of David (see Psalm 110:1). Nonetheless the Temple was completed in his reign and wars ceased during his rule. In all it seems the simple pleasures of food and drink for the common laborer were lauded over riches.

Thanks Brother Jesse for all the time you put into this great study.

God bless you.

Christian,

Prayed for you again last night. I will keep you in prayer.

That means cook your meat. Chicken,beef,fish. Do not eat rare.

Ugh I meant cessationists

I meant free grace substituted for CHEAP grace. Sorry...

The concept of asking forgiveness of sins seems to run into a quagmire with the concept of Christ's atonement being sufficient for all sins; past present and future. This often seems to cause a problem when we take free grace and mistake it for free grace; and of course the book of Romans warns us about sinning more so that grace abounds more.

The conception of eternal rewards being at stake and God's chastisement for all those who He loves that are truly His own isn't very often expounded on these days. It is; of course from Him that all blessings flow; and the reward is basically more of Him that reigns within us. You don't need a manual to be told who is truly "on fire" in the Lord with any discernment; but such gifting is sorely lacking today-I'd go so far as to say that in many churches that aren't sensationists it is pretty much nonexistent.

David in scripture and his heinous sin with Bathsheba illustrate how confession of sin and a broken and contrite spirit go hand in hand ( Psalm 51). Half hearted confessions can go through the motions but aren't as concerned with God's Holiness or our responsibilities as slaves of righteousness to conform our lives to scriptural standards (i.e. we are all "unworthy" servants merely doing what is commanded).

The other side of this issue is the infrequency of Biblical discipling either from leadership these days or as "iron sharpening iron" that we are called to do for mutual edification. A narcissist will merely say that they made a mistake at best; usually blaming others for failures and problems in their lives. No one wants to "offend" anyone so those who see things and keep it to themselves aren't loving their brothers and sisters in the Lord as they should. This isn't to say that we should blurt out something we see immediately in most cases; but take it first to the Lord in prayer so that if anything He can show us more details about a person's life and mitigating circumstances to help more clearly

I am planning to study Ecclesiastes to bring out passages that are rarely looked at as to prophetic significance; and some repeated truths that supplement the end of chapter 12 relating to fearing God and keeping His commandments.

My thoughts are that it is very important for those we know that we try to witness to who are declaring themselves as "Atheists" in particular. With so much worldliness in the church today; it seems that such a subject from the perspective of Solomon who went places we shouldn't tread should be helpful. We shouldn't just brush off the iniquities that almost destroyed him; because such introspection has many valuable insights we could use today. The subject of the hard work of a laborer and the fruits of their labor is repeated in the text and with many who don't ascribe to much of a work ethic these days it is thought provoking; along with the timeless themes of wealth that is passed on to future generations and the overall meaninglessness or "vanity" of life without Christ.

I'm going to visit my Dad again shortly (in about an hour) not really looking forward to it. I am trying to get clarity from his lawyer in regard to the house in particular so I can proceed to remain here or plan to move to Pittsburgh; where a place should be ready for me to rent out in June when my current job ends for the summer. The prayer that I really want to have is that the best decision is made for my Dad's benefit; as he won't like anything I do at this point; but I want to maintain his assets to benefit him. Certain Medicaid paid service for skilled nursing has an advantage of keeping what he considers a primary residence; but the lawyer can put his money in a trust fund IF I renounce my own interest in it. I need the Attorney to not only give me clear reasons it is best to proceed with a renunciation but communicating fees already accrued and what will be expected if she controls this asset; and there is a problem getting that info.

Reply to Gigi:

Wonderful! Good to hear good news. I enjoy the way you reach out to all which look for comfort and deliverance on this site! You are a blessing.

I will share my story with you soon.

I know I am a child of God. Amen!

Hi Tnc4307. From my own study on this subject, I don't accept either the Old Testament or the New Testament Apocrypha as worthy of canonization. Some are glaringly in error - others not so much. Of course, there are truths in each of them, just as one could find truths in the books of the other religions. But when put all together, and when compared to the Holy Word given to us, they all fall short - some very far short. Even if there are only a couple of glaring errors in them (e.g. praying for the dead or the need for self-effort to gain salvation), that is sufficient for me to stay well clear of them, as texts that are dubious & unreliable at best. By all means, read & gain information from them, but keep your spirit guarded at all times, resting only on God's complete Word given to us. Blessings.

Next, I wonder how you view the Apocrypha today. Do you consider these texts canonical --that is, as part of God's inspired word?

Hi.

There is no lost tribes.

The belief in the Lost Tribes is based on biblical accounts of the Assyrian exile and lack of historical records regarding the whereabouts of these tribes.

However I believe they are scattered throughout the nations including Israel.

Before the Assyrian captivity, some from the northern tribes had identified themselves with the house of David.

The crises and rebellion of Jeroboam caused many to leave the Northern Kingdom and unite with the Southern Kingdom and join alliance with the house of David and to worship the Lord IN JERUSALEM.

James address his letter to the twelve tribes.

"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1:1

You also see them mentioned and show up in several places in the New Testament.

passages, like Isaiah 27:13, and many others suggest a future gathering of all tribes in the end times, (After the great tribulation.)

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hello T-rex. This verse, as all other portions of Scripture, are translated given which manuscript texts are used, the quality of the translators & their work, and the era in which the work was done (i.e. how original words were understood in the language of the day). It probably needs to be stated, that Isaiah 45:7 reference to "evil", is not a direct reference to the sin in the heart, rather to the effects of sin as we live in a fallen state & in a fallen world. The Hebrew word given for 'evil' is 'ra', which is variously interpreted as, 'evil, bad, wicked, harmful, unpleasant', which then gives rise to other Bible translations using words such as, 'disaster, calamity, sorrow, etc'. So when we understand that 'evil' here is not a reference to God creating sin or desiring mankind to be sinners & living under that state & always under condemnation, rather that sin & its effects upon His creation must be the result when mankind chooses to disobey God & live a life of estrangement from Him, desiring to fulfil their lusts.

So, when we re-look at Isaiah 45:7, we see that God has directed Isaiah to record that 'He (God) forms (or creates: another Hebrew word used for 'create') the light; and He (God) also creates darkness'. If He creates light (as we are told in Genesis 1:3-5), and He "divides the light from the darkness", then we understand that darkness was the default situation & God chose to shine light into that darkness to dispel it. If He takes away that light, we return back to darkness.

Likewise, since the fall in Eden, sin has become the default over mankind's condition, indeed affecting all of creation. We became enemies of God, yet the God of Love & Mercy has prevailed to bring about "peace through the blood of the cross" ( Colossians 1:20) & even before that, to instil peace by His Mercy & right living for Israel. But if that peace is taken away, in performance of His Will, what is left? Evil is created: sin's default - no peace with God or man.

(Hebrews Part 43):

Hebrews 13:25 - Grace be with you all. Amen.

Concerning the provision, and this is a statement of fact. Remember the word "be" in italics is the word "is." Grace is with you all. Amen. Grace has the definite article. He's talking about "the" grace of God is with you all. And then he says amen.

This is all I have for Hebrews. I know some of it was long, especially the sections on faith, but I hope you enjoyed Hebrews. Next, I will be starting the book of James. It is only five chapters long but as you know it is jammed packed with great teaching, like faith without works is dead.

In James, we can study what that means, what it means to be double minded, and how we are to endure hardships, because through it, God develops our faith. These things have a lot to do with the book of Hebrews. It's a continuing of the same subjects, just a little more in-depth.

Blessings to you all in Christ!

(Hebrews Part 42):

Hebrews 13:21 - Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Now may the God of peace that raised Jesus from the dead, who is the great shepherd of the sheep, make you perfect in every good work to do his will. Well, wouldn't you know it, the word perfect doesn't mean perfect. In fact, it's used in Ephesians Chapter 4, and we saw it in the beginning of Hebrews Chapter 11. It's the word KATARTIDZO which means to mend, to put your life together.

In the gospel of Mark, it was used when Jesus came along the seashore and found the disciples mending their nets. It's the same word used here. So, his wish, his desire is that the God of peace would mend them, put their lives together in every good work.

Now literally, it doesn't mean that He perfects us for good work, but we are perfected in the good work. While we are involved in our walk with the Lord, running the race, through it He restores us and mends us. May He make you perfect, mended, in every good work. And its purpose clause is to do His will.

Concerning pleasing: He who is working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight. So, God is working. That's the good work through which I am restored and mended, and He's doing that which is well pleasing in His sight. I might not understand it, but He's doing whatever it takes to mend me. And this is all through Jesus Christ;

Concerning praise: To whom, and notice the word "be" in our English bible is in italics. It should be "is." To whom is glory for ever and ever, concerning Jesus Christ, Amen.

(Hebrews Part 41):

Hebrews 13:15 - By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

The term giving thanks, giving is a Present Participle, confessing praise and thanks to His name. God says I don't want animal sacrifices. I want the sacrifice of praise and thanks. And again, that's not something to be practiced. He's after our heart, that no matter what is going on, we praise Him and thank Him because we know it's from Him. If we complain and murmur, then we are complaining against God!

Hebrews 13:18 - Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.

He says Pray for us. That's a Present Imperative. Imperative is a command. Continue to pray for us.

The reason: For we trust we have a good conscience, and this is based on the fact that we have a clear good conscience before God, therefore pray for us in all things willing to live honestly.

Hebrews 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Now may the God of peace, because the main verb is not until we get down to Verse 21. And it's an Optative mood which means it's a wish. So, we could put the word may in here. Now may the God of peace, concerning prayer, power, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus. He's the God of peace, and He raised up Jesus from the dead.

Concerning His position: That great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant. All of these scripture references in the Old Testament, as well as in the New Testament, say that Jesus is the great shepherd of the sheep: Psalm 23, Isaiah 63:11, Isaiah 40:11, Ezekiel 34:23, John 10:11, 1 Peter 2:25, and 1 Peter 5:4.

All of this was to lead up to the verb.

(Hebrews Part 40b):

Hebrews 13:7 Continued:

I look at the expression of faith in the believers that have come before us to see if it's the same one in me, or whether I got caught up in a deceitful spirit and false doctrine. The power of positive thinking is the opposite faith of anybody in the scripture. I look at their expression, and then I look at the expression on my life to find out if it's the same faith.

So, we're to compare the expression of faith in our life with the expression of faith of those that came before us. That's all capsulated in the word follow! But it doesn't mean to copy, and it doesn't mean to imitate by seeing how they do it and in my human, I practice doing it the same way they do it. That's not what it means. It's another important word in the Greek language that we've misunderstood. We think it means personal performance.

He's talking about those who came before us, not the people who are teaching you the word today, but those who came before, who spoke to you the word of God, past tense. That's what they did in Acts Chapter 2 when the church first started, they fellowshipped in the doctrine of the apostles and prophets.

That's what we do. We remember those who rule over us who have spoken the word of God to us, and whose faith we are to follow, considering the end of their lifestyle. Look how they ended up!

Hebrews 13:10 - We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

The word serve is a Present Participle, which are serving the tabernacle. Interesting, the same people who are serving in the tabernacle have no right to partake of the altar of the believer. You can't go in both directions!

(Hebrews Part 40a):

Hebrews 13:7 - Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken. There it is, "who have spoken in the past," unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation, or lifestyle.

The word follow is the same one that Paul used in 1 Corinthians 11:1, be followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. The word follow does not mean to copy. Nor does it mean to imitate. It is the word for mime. That's different. In Greek literature, someone who was a mime was someone who came out on stage, and sometimes it would be one person playing all the parts, just changing masks. And they would live out the play or the message by their expressions and movements without speaking.

So, what Paul in 1 Corinthians, and what the writer of Hebrews is saying is, the faith that was in those who were before you that ministered the word of God to you, mimic their faith. Now what that means is, have the same expression of faith in your life as was in their life.

Now if you didn't catch it, this is very, very beautiful. You compare! If some people were to compare the faith that they're following today with the faith that's in the scriptures, or even back in Chapter 11 with those people, they find out that it is two different kinds of faith.