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Hello,

Mainly because it makes me feel bad when people condemn each other over this. Do you find anything false in it? So my post is an example of why there are 200 denominations in Christianity? Well I guess you can blame it on me. If anything I posted offended you, forgive me my brother. I apologize.

May the grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be and abide with us for ever

You're quite correct, the accounts of Saul's recognition of David appears strange, since he had seen David & was even close to him. And King James had nothing to do with this apparent aberration.

Some reasons are given: that Saul in his first encounter with David was when he was in a state of an oppressing evil spirit. He called for David to minister to him with harp music so we know that in spite of this affliction, he recognized David. But when Saul saw David at a later occasion (during & after the victory he had with Goliath), that Saul failed to recognize David & Abner probably wasn't aware of him either. Maybe this had something to do with the effect of the evil spirit upon him which would disturb & rattle his mind & memory.

It's also suggested that David's appearance may have changed, whether in clothing (shepherd's gear or that of a warrior) or being a little older than when Saul first saw him & Saul couldn't easily discern who this young guy was. We can't be sure from the passages given, but we shouldn't assume some error in transmission as we simply don't have the full account of Saul's position & condition. We have to accept this account as given, as we have to do with so many other accounts in the Bible, & formulate an understanding based on what we know, yet we should not attempt giving a 'full' story which may be mixed with personal ideas.

How did Israelites become slave in Egypt?

its a spirit but who was the person who came as a lying spirit and who stand before the Lord to say, "I'll go to Ahab and entice him"

What was the purpose of writing this message? We all know that there is one God. We should never debate the Godhead. Only through the Holy Spirit can it be shown the Oneness of God rather than a triune God that most people believe in this world. This is just one example why we have over 200 denominations under the umbrella of Christianity. Having over 200 denominations is not of God. There is only 1 truth. Jesus is the head of the church. How did we get to this place? Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus --- This was created by man's wisdom.

Note: Water can exist in three forms: Solid, liquid and gas. What is common among these forms -- They all contain 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen. But we don't call them by different names. Why? Because its still water.

Another example --- The disciples in the book of Acts baptized in the name of Jesus Christ; this fulfilled the scriptures that Jesus told them to baptize in the 'name' of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit..... What name should we baptize in? The 12 disciples who became apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Is this a coincidence? No. The Holy Spirit revealed to them the Oneness of God. When you're not baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, your sins have not been remitted (forgiven).

Blessings for sharing. Thank you & God Bless You.

Just a couple verses I came across for you about a good wife. In Ecclesiasticus 26

1 Blessed is the man that hath a virtuous wife, for the number of his days shall be double.

2 A virtuous woman rejoiceth her husband, and he shall fulfil the years of his life in peace.

3 A good wife is a good portion, which shall be given in the portion of them that fear the Lord.

There are several options available in KJBOnline, including on How to be saved. You'll find these under the "More" Tab. There are options for Reading the Bible through in a year, a Bible Dictionary, etc. Not sure what you meant by "doctrines all over the place" unless you're referring to our discussions that bring out various people's opinions on what's written in the Bible.

Luke 21 v 8

Sounds to me like these people are claiming the deity of Christ and his immediate return .

So common today , yet we are warned of them by Jesus .

Lou, the RCC view of the Lord's Supper or Sacrament is a little complicated. What was a simple meal shared together in the Upper Room by the Lord & His disciples, or when the early Church observed as a meal during which time a remembrance of the Lord was made, has now been modified & re-interpreted in other ways. Those not of the RCC view the Lord's Table as simply a memorial 'feast' to remember the Lord's Sacrifice through the emblems which denote His broken Body & shed Blood.

To the Roman Catholic, the Sacrament is substantially much more. It essentially involves the Presence of Christ & the transmission of the Grace of Christ. Though RCs are able to support these with Scriptures, it becomes a case of how the Scriptures are given & meant to be understood. The same with the Apostle Peter as being the first pope, from whom the papal line succeeds.

You're correct, that each time the Eucharist is celebrated, Jesus is crucified (a renewed sacrifice) as the bread & wine are materially changed, though unobserved, into Christ's Body & Blood. And through this act & belief, fresh grace (indeed grace upon grace) is also transmitted whereby the person is brought into a state of belief that the more he can get of Christ, will be for his greater spiritual blessing & absolution of sins. Your observance of such a belief as being rife with errors is correct. When one sees other facets of the RCC, with its robed priests, incense burning, statues, rosary & many more, they suggest the need of much paraphernalia to bolster or support faith & adoration. However, as we come to God in faith, it must be evident that our faith must be sufficient to approach God, to speak to Him, to expect of Him, to be accepted of Him. Anything else added to this negates faith & brings in 'works', which is incompatible to (justification through) faith & a walk & worship in faith.

Romans 6:9,10, "For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Hebrews 7:24-27.

Verse 27 of 1 kings chapter 18

Lord help me to be meek !

So are false prophets, clouds with out rain etc

Show me a verse in the Bible where the deity of Christ has any importance?

The Jews called Jesus a blasphemer for saying he is the son of God , but for a trintarian that's not good enough ! Go figure .

Jesus is the Son of God , if that was really understood then the trinity doctrine would be recognized for what it is . Unbiblical at least .

I understand what you're saying, Dianne. We can indeed just put forward the Scriptures to each other, as answers to their questions, & leave it that. That's of course a very good start as it's only from God's Word that we read & learn. Yet properly understanding what is given by way of Bible study, preaching, etc. is necessary to help us learn more about the writer, the background, from the original texts, Scriptural comparisons, etc. Some may find this unnecessary, but I value it so that I can better understand the context that Scripture has been written in. Or else, our pastors would have a very short 3 minute message to give, if they only gave the title of their message & asked us to write down relevant Scriptures to take home & allow only the Bible to speak to us & not him. Maybe our Churches should consider adopting that style. Would it be useful though?

As you started to read Hosea chapter 4, you would have noticed the extensive list of sins mounted against Israel & that certain judgement & destruction would follow. So in verse 5, the thought is that this judgement will fall upon the individual, the prophet (presumably those who falsely prophesied), & the mother (a reference to the whole nation, who mothered them). In verse 6, God speaks to this 'mother', that "He will (altogether) forget her children".

Yes, the priests are the focus here, as those who should have given out the knowledge of God through His Laws, thereby bringing restraint by the people towards such rampant sin, but failed to do so. As a result, both man & his land will be destroyed (taken away into Assyrian captivity) as punishment when they should have rather come to their senses & enjoyed the full blessings of God. How much we also deny ourselves by not following hard after the Lord by giving Him second place in our lives, when we have all the blessings of Heaven at our disposal & enjoyment.

Thank you Dianne: I'll accept that as given. I do tend to speak (or write), with 'absolution' or rather, a firm conviction because I've had to deal with many of these issues myself, have had to study them & sometimes deliver a message on them. One has to have a firm conviction, yet if that is opposed (which is the proper thing to do at times), then the response needs to also be given from the Word with equal conviction, so that it may be properly considered. I have to admit that at times, an answer given me has stumped me & required me to search further in the Word.

Often, I've wished that folk would follow through with a 'why I believe my view is correct' based on critical examination of Scripture, but I know that time & knowledge may not be available to them. But I do enjoy searching the Scriptures with my brothers & sisters in Christ here on this Site - I think we are benefited in our study & consideration of them & one another's views. Blessings.

From chap16,I can't see king Saul didn't know David.King James was just joking,do you think so?

"(So) your saying the early church didn't know who or what they worshipped even Paul."

No, I'm not saying that. The apostles, including Paul, certainly did know the true God, even as Jesus revealed Him to them. In very truth, "He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father" ( John 14:9), Jesus had not only declared to them who God was but that He, Jesus, was the human personification of God Himself.

So can we assume that the God on His Throne in Heaven physically looked just like Jesus? Not so, for God is Spirit & none on Earth has seen Him, bar His Son. But Jesus presented to His apostles & those around, all of the Mind, the Nature, the Will, the Plans, the Holiness, the Love & Justice of God. How could He do this? Because He said, "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." ( John 16:28)

We can't force this Scripture to mean that Jesus came into existence because of God's Plan for Redemption, because the Greek for "I came forth (from the Father)" is 'exelthon', which means 'to go or to come out of'. And when Jesus says, "and am come into the world" the Greek here is different, 'elelutha' or 'to come, to go'. So He came 'out of the Father' to be sent (or, go) into the world. And then He says, "I leave the world, and go to the Father". Now the word is 'poreuomai' which means, 'to go or to travel'. And this implies not only his leaving the world physically, but His entrance back into Heaven, from whence He came, was not into the singular unity of the Godhead, but as a Man Who would be worshipped beside the Father, yet never losing His divinity to Him. In other words, if Jesus just came to Earth as the Word of God to men (as was spoken by the prophets) & returned to Heaven, logic says that He would have returned back into the Unity of God - just as the Holy Spirit, who is only Spirit, comes to us & goes to Heaven in the same Divine Form.

Both Paul & the Church knew the Deity of Christ & preached it.

Diane, I'm unsure where your question is leading to, but to answer simply: the disciples of Jesus ( Matthew 10:1-4) later were referred to as apostles. A disciple essentially is a student, particularly to a Master, Rabbi, etc. where in his 'raw' state is brought into further knowledge of the prescribed Truth & by the witness of the life of the Master. An apostle is "a sent out one" or a messenger, who then takes what he has learned to teach others also & in the case of Christ's apostles, to deliver the life-saving, life-changing Gospel.

You asked, "In the apostalic line where is paul peter john james luke ?" Peter, John, James & another 9 were disciples & apostles, with Paul coming later, "as one born out of due time" ( 1 Corinthians 15:8). Then folk such as Luke & most likely others who were not part of the 'inner circle' (the 12), were also 'ad hoc' disciples who doubtless pursued their careers but spent time with the Lord to learn of Him. So when the last of the apostles (John) died, the apostolic line ended, though in a sense, an apostolic work can & does continue today, as we who have also learned from the Lord, the writings of the apostles & the sages of our time, can confidently go out & share what we have learned. Of course, without having the privilege of having the apostles around to question them further on doctrines, etc., our Churches & indeed, our beliefs, will always remain divergent, e.g. on the Trinity, the Second Coming, Law & Grace, etc.

This is not what I wanted

Thank you for sharing. May God Bless you.

I don't understand why people want to condemn others who believe in God a certain way. We all worship the same God. There is only one true God and only one way to God. Through His Son Jesus Christ. Who was a free gift from our Father to pay for our sins. Having faith and giving yourself to Jesus Christ is the most important thing.

There is only one God our Father. Should we not honor the Son as we honor the Father? Like we're told. Does not Jesus Christ have all the power and authority of the Father? Given to Him by the Father. I myself don't believe Jesus Christ is God the Father but that the Father is in Him and He in the Father. I also believe in the deity of Christ that He was with the Father before He came to earth. Like He says. Can I explain all this? No. That's what I believe and it all came to me through the Holy Bible.

A couple verses showing God the Father is not Jesus Christ:

Matthew 26:39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

John 8:17-18, 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of Myself, and the Father that sent Me beareth witness of Me.

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us

( 2 Peter 1:17-18, 17 For He received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with Him in the holy mount.

Why can't some believe in two, plus the Holy Ghost, which is three in this new covenant? One God.

Good clear scriptural response. The scripture speaks for itself and is crystal clear in so many places and on so many subjects.

Chris its interesting that your statements are delivered with absolution.

Thank you for these pages. I am currently writing about Esther, and finding these pages gave me some incredible material!

I'm sorry to read of your sad loss but to know that your husband loved the Lord, and is now his present joy & your comfort & assurance.

The best Scripture that I can think of, considering your husband's connection with the sea, is in Psalm 107:23-30. Even though the Psalm may seem irrelevant to some extent, the thought that whether going through physical storms (which your husband would be well acquainted with), or even the 'storms' that we all have to face in life, that the Lord will bring His children to their safe haven (add, Heaven) at the end of our lives.

Hebrews 6:18,19 (loosely transliterated): "God has given both his promise and his oath. Since God cannot lie, we who have fled to Him for refuge can have great confidence as we hold onto the hope that lies before us. This hope is a strong and trustworthy anchor for our souls. This hope leads us through the veil that was torn down at Jesus' death into God's inner sanctuary. Jesus has already gone into Heaven for us. He has become our eternal High Priest". My husband (his name), had his hope resting only in His Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ; Christ was his sure anchor as he both sailed the high seas and throughout his life. And now that Anchor (Jesus Christ) Who was held on in faith throughout his life has now become his sight, as he stands in great joy before his God and Saviour.

Other useful Scriptures: Romans 8:35-39; John 11:25-27; Revelation 21:3-7; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; John 14:1-3.

I hope something here helps you & will reflect the hope & joy that your husband had in the Lord. May the Lord continue to comfort your heart by His Spirit & His precious Word.

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Thank you Rick for responding to my question!

Thank you Rick for responding to my question!