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Thank you Chris and yes you are correct , the crux of the matter is that the Lord knows who is his . I know of brothers and sisters in foreign parts who don't live near anyone that they could break bread with so are in isolation in their faith . God sees them I know . Thanks again .

Thank you GiGi for the explanation of the beliefs of others in this respect of the Communion Table. When I referred particularly to the RC Church, I ensured that I learned their beliefs from their own website. And not to say, that there could even be small differences within that Church itself, but on the whole, the following in their Catechism summarizes this teaching:

"In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by . . . genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. The Catholic Church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration. (CCC, 1378)". Other comments on this also show that in their Mass, they do not sacrifice the Lord again, but that simply the elements, through consecration are changed, becoming the Lord's Body.

Then we have John Calvin's word on this: "While there is no change of substance in the sacrament, Jesus Christ is nonetheless present in a real way by means of his Holy Spirit. In observing the Lord's Supper, Christ does not come down to the faithful in his body and blood; instead, the faithful are lifted up to him in spirit by the Holy Spirit."

And then we have the more independent Churches, who generally believe that the emblems remain the same, but taken in a solemn, meaningful manner, in remembrance of all that Jesus has done for them at the Cross & in His resurrection and ascension. So yes, we do have greatly divergent beliefs, as we do on many other doctrines, and of course this is nothing new, as since the days of the apostles, there have been teachers (both gnostic & others) ready to sway believers towards their form of doctrine. It should be little wonder that the Church is so diverse, some in great error, given the passing of two millenia. But the Lord knows who are His; we must but teach the Word & then allow the Spirit to make it real & relevant to us. Thank you again dear GiGi.

Error in my text: Acts 2:23 should read Acts 2:33. I think I need new glasses.

Giannis,

I need to correct an error I made in my reply to you. Where I wrote "I do come to that conclusion," I meant to write I (do not) come to that conclusion.

Indeed brother Richard, I agree with what you have shared with us here. And just to pick up on one pertinent point you shared in relation to the Communion, "whether it is Baptism; Communion or "fellowship of the saints" when two or more are gathered together He is present".

My understanding of Matthew 18:20 hinges on the fact that post-resurrection & ascension, Christ is now seated at the right Hand of the Father ( Mark 16:19; Acts 2:23; Romans 8:34; and many other refs). So, what Jesus spoke of at that time to His disciples, would certainly mean that His Presence amongst them after He left for Heaven, would be by His Spirit Whom they would receive. As far as I'm aware, the physical Jesus will not be seen again until the translation of the saints, or by those with variant beliefs, at His Coming for war, judgement & rule on the Earth.

Now, whether those who subscribe to transubstantiation would apply Matthew 18:20 to bolster their belief or not, I can't tell; though it seems that they could do so, as the verse could support that the physical presence of Jesus could be found in the elements at the 'Eucharist'. But is that what Jesus intended His followers to believe & practise? Whether in corporate prayer, at the Lord's Table, or even in the Eucharist (as practised by some), that His Presence in Body (& Blood) is there (mystically or otherwise), or whether it is His Spirit Who ministers to us in those seasons & right through the course of a believer's life? That if we 'eat or drink unworthily bringing on damnation', the Spirit of Christ is disgraced & abhorred by such hypocritical, sinful participation - which translates of course, as directly aimed at Jesus & His Father.

We are commanded to "grieve not the Holy Spirit of God", for if we do, then the Godhead is dishonored & shamed. It is the Spirit Who broods over our worship, teaching, & communion participation testing or convicting our hearts; and this is how I see the Presence of Christ at the Lord's Table.

Chris,

Other sects teach that communion is a memorial of Jesus' sacrifice for us, reminding us of His death and resurrection and the new covenant He made symbolically at the Last Supper and in reality on the cross where He shed His blood and gave His body for salvation. These teach that the bread and wine represent Jesus' body and blood, and symbolize His sacrifice as He explained the new covenant at the Last Supper.

I think it is a good thing for each believer to read the Scripture account of the communion of the Last Supper where Jesus instituted this new covenant, the John 6 section, and the various teachings of different sects and their explanation of why they believe the way they do so that one can prayerfully by faith embrace what they understand and can believe.

Communion is a holy action regardless of what position one sides with and that we should certainly partake of it with reverence, peace, and faith that Jesus has given Himself for us in His death and resurrection and we are partakers of His promise and Presence as believers. Those who hold to a "real Presence" in the taking in of the bread and wine or those who hold that the practice is a memorial of remembrance of Jesus' work on the behalf of every believer can find Scriptural support for the view they hold. Therefore, I do not think we should judge one another on this matter but instead practice and encourage others to do what our Lord and Paul instructed the church to do in regards to the Lord's Supper, being sure to be at peace with other believers, to not be drunk or gluttonous when partaking of it, or to not leave food for others in the body when the meal occurs, and then, when communion is served being sure to discern the Lord's body in the way they understand this to mean from Scripture. The Scriptures do say that it is possible to partake of communion sinfully, and we should desire to partake properly.

We should honor Christ every time we partake communion together as believers.

Hello Chris, this conversation on what taking of the elements of communion truly is has been meant to mean different things to different sects of the church body. You are correct that the RCC teaches that during the Mass, Jesus is sacrificed again for us in giving us His true body and blood in partaking of the bread and wine. They say that, though we do not see the elements actually change into flesh and blood, they truly do change to become Christ's body and blood shed for the remission of sins-called transubstantiation. They still remain bread and wine but a miracle is done by God to have these elements also be truly the body and blood, though unseen.

The Lutherans believe in consubstantiation-that Jesus is present in the bread and wine upon consecration with the words of institution. They say that Jesus is "in, with, and under", the bread and wine but do not teach that Christ is sacrificed each time communion is done in a service. They teach that Jesus is truly present in the elements, but also teach that the how of it is truly a mystery and we believe it by faith that we do receive Him at communion for strengthening our faith, healing our body, and remitting our sins that we confess during the service.

I believe the Anglican church also teach that by faith a believer does partake of the body and blood of Christ in a real but spiritual sense: The simplest phrase used to express this view is the phrase "real presence." This is an affirmation that what is happening during communion is real, and objective, and God assures it. It affirms also that God is present, and that we are to believe and trust that he is. Anglicans teach that sacraments are "effectual signs of grace and that "real presence" is Christ's spiritual presence that is experienced in the hearts of believers when the grace of the sacrament is received by faith. Since his bodily Ascension, Jesus remains spiritually present everywhere but he remains corporeally in heaven until He returns again.

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Further thoughts about the body and blood of Christ.

Romans 1:20 and no doubt scores of other scriptures speak of Christ's eternal Godhead. It was known due to the council of the Godhead beyond our understanding ( Deut. 29:29) that God the Son was to come to die to atone for the sins of men; and was first found in Genesis 3:16 (or thereabouts) to finally crush Satan's seed. It is impossible for Christ's sufferings to occur outside His appointed time when He came in the form of a man and had limitations brought about so that He could be overcome through death as the rest of us are to make the sacrifice legitimate. Clearly even glorified men are no longer subject to death; certainly more so for the Son of God! No one can say that in His eternal state now seated at the right hand of God the Father that He is still suffering. This is seen also in the Transfiguration; God indeed is beyond time and perhaps this can be seen as looking forward or beyond the limitations of time and space during His earthly ministry. All in all; of course Christ was involved with the Creation and surely is not subject to repeatedly suffering especially since the sacrifice is once for all ( Heb. 10:10). Satan is defeated and cannot cause Him any more grief; neither can the enemy affect those who are walking in the Spirit now; albeit they can be a thorn in the flesh and if we allow sin to give an opening he loves to torment our souls.

In general many seem to obsess with the fact that God is beyond time and make the overriding assumption that heaven is totally like that today. God Himself chose to allow the rules of time and space so clearly He desires to have times and seasons; and that will be apparent during a literal 1000 year Millennial reign on earth and there is no reason to expect it will be totally obliterated once the new Heaven and earth is created. Finally whatever the Spirit does because of His sacrifice it is available toall; a human Priest isn't in charge.

John 6:63 says that the flesh profits nothing; the Spirit is where the focus should be. My point with communion is that the Spirit although invisible works as a "two edged sword" ( Hebrews 4:12). Therefore the importance is just as great as if something was physically changed into the body and blood of Christ. We may look at this like when Jesus forgave sins and asked which was harder; healing or forgiving sins? Clearly the latter because in the material world healing is somewhat a natural phenomenon; whereas there is no method for forgiveness of sins without the perfect Atonement; certainly not our own "good works" which are as Isaiah indicates "filthy rags" in His sight.

I argue that whether it is Baptism; Communion or "fellowship of the saints" when two or more are gathered together He is present; and of course as Revelation 1 and 2 seem to show sometimes it is only a few individuals who are walking correctly; and of course if we can't reach the lukewarm through admonition we should flee the lukewarm church that He will "spue out of His mouth as with the Laodiceans.

We do well to study what it means to be taking communion "unworthily". Certainly unconfessed sin comes to mind but it may be easy to overlook forgiving one's brother first as Jesus said we should do before going to the altar. Certainly this affects communion as well as we are part of the Body of Christ and any schisms hurt us and others as well.

We could also look at what made Christ's body and blood unique. He was born based on the Spirit basically being the "seed" that allowed for a virgin birth. If we consider what makes Him different we can look at a perfect "DNA" and such; but the spiritual perfection vs imperfection is beyond just the symptom of physical decay and death; it is being sinless vs sinful; inherited sin can't be explained readily. Also he bears the scars; certainly not the suffering eternally. This is what makes the "stigmata" of occultic origin only Christ atones.

Apostle Paul was giving instructions to the Corinthians that are saved how to eat and drink in the Lord's supper . The question is ," is the bread and wine really Jesus Christ body ?" I would say spiritual yes for a sample.

1 Corinthians 11:27

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

We need to make sure before we take the Lord supper , we are right with God . It's disrespectful to have the Lord's supper with sin in our lives . Repentance is the key word .

1 Corinthians 11:29

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

If we don't repent , the Lord will correct us like a father to a child.

1 Corinthians 11:32

But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

I certainly take the Lord's supper very seriously. It's always good to remember Jesus Christ resurrection from the dead.

Ray , in Christ

Brother Giannis. If I may humbly interject here, your last sentence, "I don't believe in transubstantiation but the bread and wine become Flesh and Blood of Jesus "by faith", confused me; I probably had the same reaction to it as some of Jesus' disciples to His words, "this is a hard saying; who can hear it"?

The way I understand it, is that those who believe in transubstantiation (the conversion (materially) of the bread & wine into the Body & Blood of Jesus at consecration) also need to do so IN faith. Why? Because if they are honest with themselves, they still physically see & taste the wafer & the wine and not as their natural senses would if tasting actual flesh & blood. And this then requires them to express faith that through consecration, the elements turn into the actual (presence of Christ). For Faith "is the evidence of things not seen".

So this fine line between what the RCC believes & what you have shared as your belief, is very intriguing to me - my finite mind can't discern the difference between the two understandings. If you care to brother, could you give some more detail on how I should understand your position better?

Thanks Brother Ronald.

This is a interesting study that I haven't spent a whole lot of time on.

What I do find interesting is-

Jesus was our passover and he was crucified on the observed day those lambs were slain.

Jesus is the first fruit of the ressurection.

the feast of the first fruits predicts the resurrection of Christ and his fulfillment of the feast is on that observed day.

Not only are these feast predictive, they are fulfilled on the day they were observed.

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Blessings and peace to you.

God bless you.

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Hi S Spencer.

Thanks, brother. I hope all is well. I'm unsure about the Year of Jubilee; it might be worth looking into since we know it was a reason for the Babylonian exile.

In my opinion, what makes this topic challenging is that during the time of Christ, the Jews referred to the festival as 8 days by two different names: the Feast of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This distinction can be seen in Matthew 26:17 and Luke 22:1, while Mark 14:12 mentions the first day of Unleavened Bread as the time when they killed the Passover lamb.

Today, we see all eight days on the calendar referred to as Passover. However, this is not how it was originally structured. Passover day is the 14th, when the Passover lambs were sacrificed, and it is also the day Jesus was crucified. This day is not a Sabbath or holy convocation or a feast; rather, it is a preparation day for the seven-day Feast of Unleavened Bread, which runs from the 15th to the 21st. The first and last days of this feast are designated Sabbaths, as noted in Exodus 12:16.

The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is the Sabbath that John mentioned. Jesus had to be placed in the tomb before sunset on Thursday, which was Passover day. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the 15th (Friday), is referred to by John as a "high day" or "high Sabbath." Consequently, both Friday and Saturday were considered Sabbaths.

Not sure why the Sabbath is plural, but Scripture is clear there were two Sabbaths, Friday the first day of Unleavened Bread, and Saturday, an annual Sabbath, and a weekly Sabbath.

Have a great day.

God bless,

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Hello Giannis,

Thank you for the post. My answer to your question is yes. I do believe Jesus was speaking figuratively at the last supper. Did Jesus give His literal blood and flesh to them to eat and drink? I have to say no. As far as the bread and wine becoming the flesh and blood of Jesus "by faith," as you mentioned, one would have to be fully persuaded (faith) that these elements are indeed His literal body and blood. I do come to that conclusion.

You're referring to 1 Corinthians Chapter 11, specifically Verse 29 which reads, "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."

It doesn't say anything about them having a sin. It says if they do it unworthily. It was the manner in which they were participating. When they took the bread and drank the cup, they were not discerning that these elements represented the Lord's body. They were eating it like it was a meal.

Jesus set it up so that when we take the bread or drink the cup, He said do this in remembrance of me. When we participate in communion, we are doing it to remember what Christ has done for us, that He was crucified for us, that He gave His body and He gave His blood at the cross, not at the last supper.

In Luke 22:19, Jesus takes the bread, gives thanks, breaks it and gives it to them and says, "This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me."

From a Hebrew perspective, that little phrase "This is my body" is a very typical Hebrew metaphorical usage of using your body. He's not saying that the bread became His body. He says this is to be done in remembrance of what I've done for you. If you believe that the elements taken in communion are the literal body and blood of Jesus, then I suppose we are in disagreement on this one my brother.

Blessings to you in Christ!

Thanks so much Brother Giannis!

I've never looked deeply into it due to lack of time and resources.

When it comes to this topic I'm glad we all can agree on what's important.

Christ died and was raised on the 3rd day!

Blessings to you Brother and thanks for all that you do.

Hello Jesse.

I will not comment on John 6:60-65. It is obvious there that Jesus speaks figuratively ( although there are other opinions). But does He also speak figuratively when he had the last supper with His disciples and gave them His Blood and Flesh.

Paul says to Corinthians that if someone eats His flesh and drinks His blood having a sin then they get damned. How is it possible that an emblem causes harm? It doesn't seem logical. But if they are indeed His Blood and Flesh then it makes sense Because holy things get inside a sinful body. It is like in the OT when a priest was to enter the Holy of Holies being uncleaned. He was in danger of falling dead. I don't believe in transubstantiation but the bread and wine become Flesh and Blood of Jesus "by faith".

Hi Spencer

Matthew 28:1, "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

Let's see the grk." Opse(late or after) de Savvaton(the Sabbaths), te epephoskouse(as it begun to light) eis mian Savvaton(towards the first of Sabbaths)..."

Lets write it in English. Late (of after) the Sabbaths as it begun to give light towards the first of Sabbaths..."

Well it seems that we have a contradiction here. Because initially it says that the Sabbath was to be gone or just gone and next it says that as the Sabbath was gone the first of the Sabbaths was or just started to show. Why is this?

Because the first Sabbath is meant to be the day Sabbath and the second Sabbath is meant as a week. So the KJV correctly translated as "the first day of the week"

Compare it with Luke 23:54 and it gets very clear. According to Luke it was late at Friday (Preparation) not long before the Sabbath starts (which means not long before getting dark)

The plural form has to do with how the Jews expressed it in their language. Every language doesn't express meanings in an identical to all languages form.

Hi Fuji. That's a good question & worthy comparison of the two Scriptures you gave.

My understanding is this: From those passages, I see how the Jews & Jesus viewed who their Father was; and secondly, what were the works that resulted from that relationship to God their Father.

1. The Jews sought to kill Jesus because He both broke the Sabbath & called God His Father, making Himself equal with God. The Jews considered both Abraham and God as their Father, one in a biological sense, & the other (God) Whom they worshiped, obeyed & historically with them. However, Jesus showed that His relationship with God, as Father, was different: Jesus did what God required of Him & what God would have done Himself. The Jews believed that any type of work (i.e. what they established as work) was in contravention to God's Sabbath requirements. Jesus basically intimated that God did cease from His creation Work on the seventh day, but to do good for another, to render assistance to the injured, or even heal (as Jesus did) did not contravene the 4th Commandment. So the claim by Jesus that 'as His Father would have worked on the Sabbath to heal, so He had the authority to do likewise', spoke to the Jews that this was not just a claim to God's Fatherhood as they believed, but Jesus' claim that of equality (as Jesus claimed that He does all of God's Works (vv 19,20), He can raise the dead (v 21), in Judgement & in Honor (vv 22,23), etc.)

2. In the second passage, the question again arises of the genuineness of their relationship with God their Father. This matter came up when they asked Jesus, "Where is thy Father?" ( John 8:19). Their claim to be of Abraham's seed (v 33), but their works to kill Jesus proved that their father was the devil (v 44), since this was neither the works of Abraham nor God. So the Jews claim here that God was their Father was erroneous, as the relationship was not rooted in accepting Jesus' Works & Words from God, but rather doing the works of the Devil.

Hi Brother Ronald.

Nicely laid out!

I also believe there were 2 Sabbaths that week. "The weekly Sabbath and perhaps the yearly"

Matthew 28:1 may suggest that.

"In the end of the "SABBATH" as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre..

From my research "Which may or may not be correct " In the original the Sabbath used here in this verse is in the Plural. (Sabbaths)

Also, this may have been the year of Jubilee

Jesus may have made reference to this in

Luke 4:18-19. "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Just a thought

God bless you Brother.

Hello DLHenri-2025. I was so sad to read of your son's plight & with you as his Mom carrying the pain in your own heart. You've shared details of his situation, though without enquiring why some of those things happened to him, we can only consider his predicament & God's Concern in his matters.

Of course, wherever possible your son should have people to assist him. The DSHS & the hospitals are not helping here, but he too seems to refuse treatment, so it shows how troubled his mind is & the strong sense of hopelessness he carries. Whether you or another close friend/relative has some suitable room for him (keeping his disabilities in mind), or a carer to help with food preparation, bathing, etc., are avenues to be explored. But from the Lord's View, we don't fully understand why God does intervene in some way for some & not others, or even His delays are for reasons we are not acquainted with - He doesn't tell us these things. There have been many people over the centuries (even to biblical days) who have suffered much, or even have died in pain or ignoble deaths, with a seemingly quiet unresponsive God in attendance. Whatever our lot in life, for good or bad, God requires our full love & submission to Him at all costs - we must leave the other (lesser) matters to Him, He Who does all things according to His Will. I know that these words can't help much to alleviate the pain of your son or yourself, but we must continue to trust God for help or for sustaining in times of trouble - He requires this of us. Hardships, we all face in some way - ours is not to question God's action or inaction, but to know that we belong to Him as His blood-bought children, & we are to remain faithful to Him in spite of anything that comes before us. Life is never fair to any of us - but God is faithful Who promises to carry us through; and yes, He gives us help from people & materially as well as part of His blessings. May the Lord help you both to press on looking upward.

Hello DLHenri-2025. I concur with what Fuji has shared with you & would like to add the following for your encouragement. Yes, the Letter by James, as all other writings given to us, both show us our sin, God's hatred of all things evil (within & without), but also His great Plan of Salvation in & through Himself for lost mankind. If we are truly saved (born again by His Spirit by repentance & hungering after holy & eternal things), then we know that we have been called by God to receive His Salvation & given power to lead this new, special & holy life. Sure, sin will always knock at our door, particularly seeking out weak, vulnerable entrances to cause us to fall, resulting in us even doubting the validity of what God has done in us. And God knows this too well, as Psalm 103:13,14 reminds us. He doesn't expect us to get victory in our strength alone, for we are weak against the enemy of our souls. That is why He gave His Holy Spirit to give us power, direction, even 'a way of escape', if we are truly waiting on Him. And sometimes, this takes time, a long time, to mature & develop the same hatred for anything of sin & spots from the world.

I would encourage you to take time to read through Paul's letter to the Ephesians, & particularly chapters 1 and 2. In there, he clearly affirms the strong & eternal position we have in Christ Jesus, & nothing, but nothing, can alter that. Why? Because you are chosen & He has changed you. The same Paul, when he was severely buffeted to despair of life ( 2 Corinthians 12:7-10), whether by some sin, doubt or fear, was assured by the Lord that 'God's Grace was sufficient (given in sufficient measure) for him to bear up - God's Strength will be perfected (in Greek, 'completed/accomplished') through Paul's weakness. We can all truly be encouraged by the Promises of God which can be realized in reality. Don't give up dear one, stay true to the Lord in spite of your trials - He never fails - He will not let you down. With prayers.

It is a hard thing to watch some one you love struggle in this life . I have a family member , a middle aged Christian man , who has finally after many years admitted he has a problem with alcohol and cocaine . He's just gone into rehab . We are all so pleased and proud of him for having the strength to admit what we have all known for many years . He doesn't blame God for any of his troubles , he accepts responsibility for his own actions and choices and is determined to make it up to his family and himself . He knows how gracious God has been to him in not letting him totally ruin his own life and the lives of his loved ones , he's still alive and reasonably healthy , for that he thanks God . He's confessed his sins , asked God to forgive him and help him rebuild his life . Yes , for sure God wants us to ask Him for help when we need it , but if anyone helped you out in a big way , you wouldn't forget about them the next day would you ? I'm sure you wouldn't and so we must remember every day , how much good God has done for us and how much worse things could be without His love and mercy in our lives . We need to remember our Father in Heaven every day and thank Him every day and do our best to be obedient loving children every day . Addiction is a terrible struggle , I'm glad for you that your son is still alive , where there is life there is hope . I hope you and your son , with God's help , can build better lives and be closer to your Saviour and each other . Draw strength from Him .

Hi Woe,

I understand there are different understandings on this, many go with the tradition Jesus was crucified and put in the tomb on Friday and rose on the first day/Sunday. Others like yourself hold that Jesus was crucified and placed in the tomb on Wednesday and rose on Saturday before sunset.

The whole account is in all four gospels the Scriptures I listed in my first post if we study it. It was 6 days before Passover day when Jesus went to Bethany the following day He rode into Jerusalem on the first day of the week 5 days from Passover day. Jesus went back to Bethany that night. The next day Jesus returned to Jerusalem, the second day of the week/Monday.

Jesus returned to Bethany that night and returned to Jerusalem the next morning the third day of the week/Tuesday. Jesus returned to Bethany that night and returned to Jerusalem the next morning the fourth day of the week/Wednesday.

Jesus left the temple and went with His disciples to the Mount of Olives where we read the Sermon on the Mount. He sent Peter and John to make ready the upper room where they had the Last Supper this would be the beginning of the fifth day of the week/Thursday.

This was Passover day when the lambs were to be killed, and preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread a holy convocation/Sabbath, John 19:31 John calls it a high day. That is the reason they had to put Jesus in a tomb, not because of the weekly Sabbath but the first day of the feast, there were two Sabbaths back-to-back.

Jesus rose on the first day of the week/Sunday on the Feast of Firstfruits, the first day after the weekly Sabbath after Passover, Leviticus 23:10-14.

People then and today call Passover or the feast of Unleavened Bread an 8-day feast but the first day is the 14th Passover day when Jesus was crucified, a preparation day. The 15th and 21st are the Sabbath days or holy convocations.

Not sure I can say anymore, in the scriptures are the truth what Jesus did is what matters.

God bless,

RLW

Thank you Fuji for your further comments here. I fully agree what you wrote about the uniqueness of the Gospels, and I too am particularly fond of John's Gospel as he recalls events & wisdom that are particularly pertinent to understanding the Nature of Jesus & His relationship to the Father. The one thing that always makes me sad, is that my hunger for more details of the events portrayed in the Gospels are not given. And I suppose rightly so, as John 21:25 declares to us. So, I need to learn to be more content with what is given, and of course, the tremendous insights in the epistles, allowing the Holy Spirit to teach & comfort my heart through all that's in the Word & from Himself.

I used to live & work (ministry) in Karachi, Pakistan for a little while before being 'shown the door'. There are approx. 3000 mosques in Karachi alone, of various sizes & importance. And as you wrote, there would always be a mosque nearby for those folk, particularly to the diligent who need to drop everything five times a day to go to prayer. So, in non-Islamic countries, where mosques are very much fewer in number, it would be reasonable for them to live as close as possible to their place of prayer & the meeting of their other needs. Blessings.

Here's a question for everyone , I'm stumped by this ! Compare John chapter 5 verse 18 to John chapter 8 verse 41 . What's going on here ? Any help please ?

Hello there ! Don't be discouraged ! James is the kind of book that makes even the most devoted Christian examine themselves very carefully . Every time I read it I feel guilty , as if James was looking right into me as he wrote it ! It seems to me that James has listed all my faults and failings and is rebuking me personally . I'm sure this is intentional , it's easy for us to sometimes be a bit self satisfied and pleased with ourselves , imagining that we are better than we actually are . To me , the book of James is there to bring me back down to the reality of who and what I actually am , a sinner , in need of God's mercy and forgiveness every day . It's like a report card that says ' must do better ' and it's addressed to us all , not just you and not just me . Take it on the chin and vow to do better tomorrow , every day !

Day 25 January 25,2025 James 1:5-8 KJV

Seeking God's Wisdom West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar

Me a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles California

I Pray asking God for wisdom to make godly decisions, having faith in which is already done for me of my heart, words of mouth and being my shield.- Ephesians 6:16 KJV

My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

"To give up believing in within yourself to be done not with God and him doing it for you.

Ways to help you to not believe in doing yourself without God are

Prayer Matthew 7:7 KJV Believing Jesus Christ Is God the Father Proverbs 19:20 KJV

Listen to his voice and Word to obey, follow "do it" in speaking actions, attention of communications.

God wants you to come into his sanctuary-today's Christian Church and read holy bible, to learn about Jesus Christ being God and Intentions "And it shall be giving you" John 17:3 KJV

Principle-Holy To all religions. Always performaning righteousness, holiness in actions "to do it" of God. To have faith, hope, love."

Wisdom helps you obey God in feelings of short comings, failures. God wants you to come to Jesus Christ. Philippians 4:13 KJV

James 1:6 KJV

My Respond REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

" No challenges, afflictions, tests will occur about or upon me I John 1:3 KJV- Gaurtenteed

Definition

Wisdom - Comes from the knowledge of God, and the capacity to make use of it, discernment, judgment, discretion, sagacity, skill, dexterity.

James 1:7 KJV

My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

" That you see your life as real here on earth in Jesus Christ Holy Bible, instructions on how to live life. In repentance of sins. James 4:8 KJV Jesus Christ is the only way to make life to reality. John 14:6 KJV scriptures text is for you to believe in Jesus Christ to get what you want and also is a book you can read only. "We believe the Bible to be inspired and only infallible written Word of God."

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