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David,

I will pray for Magda that God takes care of her amidst difficult and unsafe situations and provide the means for her to return to your circle of family and friends soon.

makes me wonder. I must be a deep sinner; I thought that I was always with the God up above all this time. now this scares me. how do I convince myself I am a believer

question: Does God really hear especially the Disabled? my son was living homeless, not intended, his/was an active user/drug addict. at the time he was trying to survive and to go clean from the addiction. his disability is: no legs, majority of blindness, rely on a mobile scooter that I as his mom, purchased for him. at the time he lost his charger, out on the hot sun of 115 degree. hungry, thirsty, pushing his scooter to his dad's home when his dad did not want him at his hoe, and his dad is an active user as well. so my son stated, he was out in the back of the home, scorching hot, facing the sun, not intentionally, and he spoke to god. he asked GOD NOT TO BE SO HARD ON HIM, but to me, I question. Did god hear his plea>? why? is my son still struggling, his been clean for 2 months now, and his got no one seems as the DSHS, THE DISABILITY Corporation, has given up on him, the hospital's knows his pain and refuses his treatment as to where my son refuses it as well. I keep weeping and asking: Who can I go to , to help my son. Seems as tho the churches only sayL: I am sorry, we well put him on the prayer list. I am sad. No I am not an active druggy or alcohol, just loving my son is the addiction I have.

I do not keep Passover, because Jesus fulfilled it. It is one of the ordinances taken out of the way and removed.

Instead, I observe the Lord's Supper, which was instituted by Jesus in it's place.

Verse 14 of John chapter 19: "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" No doubt they are preparing for the Passover. It is approaching.

Jesus & the Disciples kept the Passover far earlier in the day, as the day began so it was many hours earlier than those who betrayed Him. They all kept it, but Jesus did it much earlier. Jesus did it at the start of the day. The Jews did it later in the day near sunset. Jesus' trial and Crucifixion happened fast. From betrayal to Crucifixion it was about 6 or so hours. So sometime near the end of the first 12 hours of the day, give or take, Jesus was placed upon the Cross. Remember a day starts in the evening as it begins to grow dark.

John 18:28: Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: & it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.

Jesus was on the cross as the lambs died.

Jesus was placed in the tomb at Sunset the 14th, just prior to the Sabbath which began at Sunset. So hour 1 of the 15th began at sundown at about 7pm.

Counting forward. 24 hours, we are at Sunset on the 15th at about 7pm. So hour 1 of the 16th began.

Counting forward 24 hours and we are at Sunset of the 16th. Which was Friday. At Sunset Friday, Saturday begins at about 7pm.

Counting forward 24 hours, just prior to Sunset Saturday, Jesus Christ is Resurrected, fulfilling the 72 hours He told us He would be in the grave. He is raised from the tomb the same time He was placed in the tomb.

3x24 is 72. This is THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, JUST AS JESUS STATED.

At Sunset on Saturday, Sunday begins about 7pm. At this point, Jesus has already left the tomb and been Resurrected.

Further to my question about the emblems and in reply to Chris and Jesse , thank you for your replies to me .

I have never believed in transubstantiation and recognise it as one of many spurious catholic doctrines . I'm also aware that the Bible has many layers and I always look for the literal , then metaphorical and then spiritual aspects in what I read . The events at the last supper are fascinating to me and I am always amazed by how different the accounts in the four Gospels are and yet they are perfectly symbiotic . The differences in the Gospel accounts are mostly down to the four different personalities of the writers , remember in the mouth of two or three witnesses ? Here we have four witnesses with four distinct personalities which we can see coming through in their accounts . I'm particularly fascinated by John's account , very different from the other three . He doesn't even mention the new covenant and is the only one to mention the washing of the disciples feet . He focusses very much on Jesus's words , which is great as he's the only one to do that to that extent . The Bible is the Gift that keeps on giving as it reveals itself to us continually showing us something deeper each time we read it , in that it is truly alive and is a living seed growing in us as we learn from it and allow it to take hold of us and grow in us , truly a living Word . I used to be sure that it is essential for us to take the bread and wine every Sunday at church . I'm not so sure now but I am sure that it's definitely beneficial and is also an act of obedience and submission . It can only do us good ,but we shouldn't feel left out if we are not able to partake for whatever reason .

I'm not a fan of islam but one thing I know , there are a lot of muslims where I live and I wondered why they tend to live close to each other , I found out that they don't choose to live close to each other but to their mosque , so they can always get to it . Nothing must block their path .

Luke 22

22 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

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7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.

8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

You said;

"The lambs were killed in the evening of the 14th any time after the sun started to go down."

You realize this statement is in error.

The evening of the 14 is in fact the 12 hours prior to sunset. At Sunset on the 14th it is officially the morning hours of a new day. It is officially the 15th. Since the 15th is a Sabbath, the lambs would NOT have been slaughtered after sunset.

A day begins and ends at Sunset.

Matthew 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Matthew 26:3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, 4 And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him. 5 But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar among the people.

Tuesday would have ended at about 7pm, Sundown. Wednesday would have started at about 7pm, Sundown.

We will call it hour 1.

Beginning at about hour 1 Jesus and His Disciples would be eating the Passover. The meal likely would have lasted about 3 hours or less. After the meal, Jesus and the Disciples went to the Garden of Gethsemane. It would have been dark. Even though it was a new day, and the new day had dawned at 7pm, it was still the night time portion of it. After about 2 hours of prayer, the soldiers came and arrested Jesus. Which means only about 5 hour of the new day had gone past so far.

In biblical sense, it was 5am or hour 5, when Jesus was arrested. If we were to look at it in by modern definition Jesus's arrest would have occurred at 12 midnight.

This is why people have trouble with the scriptures. They get the time wrong.

*god's true son's name phropsied in: isaiah 7:14-15 & prophecy fulfilled in matthew 1:22-23, meaning god & christ will be with u.s.= us saved & sanctified & filled with abba's comforter: john 14:13-18 & 14:26*

Dear Mattithyahu22,

Has your sister had her surgery yet! If so, I hope she is recovering well. I will continue to pray for her throughout this episode.

Hello David.

Glad to hear that baby is born and all has gone well for Mom and baby. What a blessing each baby is.

Today I was singing "Twinkle Twinkle" to my 8 month old granddaughter and she was singing along in babybabble. Even when I would sing a line and stop, she would sing back to me in all her noises, repeating after me for each line. So cute!

We need to get it on video tomorrow as she was in her high chair with a face full of food smears when she did this. We hope to get a "cleaned up" version tomorrow!

I do keep you and your requests in my prayers. You are teaching me to be a better prayer partner. It is easy to pray for a request and kind of be done if the person doesn't continue to ask for prayer as you do so faithfully. God is great. He is good. He is able to meet all of needs. He has the power to do what is impossible for humans. so let's remember to praise Him as we go along in our daily life and when we commit our prayers to him.

Thanks brother Giannis for that detailed reply. It was indeed very informative to learn of the Jewish seven day week also known as 'Sabbath'. I took the liberty to refer to the OT, and picked on Genesis 29:27, "Fulfil her WEEK, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years" (words by Laban concerning Leah & Rachel). In Hebrew, it comes up as, 'malle (fulfil) shabua (week) zot (this)'. Interestingly, 'shabua' means a week of seven days, with a further note of its "connection to the Gk, Sabbaton, refers to the Sabbath or a week". And this is what you have shared with us here. So we can believe that the 'first day of the Sabbath' does not speak of the seventh day, but of the first of the week: a Sunday. Thank you again for clearing that up. Blessings.

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If this was not a metaphor but an actual change of substance, then not only would that be in conflict with the Scriptures, but would require much faith & imagination in taste & texture, to be convincing; it would be a mental affirmation to the one partaking, whereas faith demands an actual outcome, such as our faith in Christ for salvation: if we don't see the change in us by the Holy Spirit's Presence, in our thoughts, our ways, our direction in life, then how do we justify that it is 'Christ in us, our hope'; it would be just a vain hope - a hope that we will make it.

When Jesus compared His coming from Heaven & offering of Himself, to that of Israel's forefathers who ate the manna which only afforded temporary life until death, Jesus said that His offering through partaking in His Body & Blood gives eternal life. This must mean that those who partake in the Lord's Supper, do so because of their indissoluble connection to their Savior, vividly being reminded, through the (emblems), of the Life sacrificed for them & the great cost to secure their salvation. The forefathers of Israel ate that manna & died, but the Living Bread from Heaven came to give life, not given to sustain the body, but to strengthen & gladden the soul. There can be no merit in eating a mystically re-constituted bread & wine (which can't happen), except to possibly make one feel closer to Christ. The merit is found in obedience to the Lord, a life lived in holiness, & taking every occasion (particularly in corporate worship) to remember why we are different & special to God. GBU.

Hello Fuji,

I would like to respond to this. There are many who believe in transubstantiation, the changing of bread and wine into the literal flesh and blood of Christ. I personally believe that taking communion represents Jesus' flesh and blood, not to be taken literal.

I realize that it seems to indicate otherwise in John Chapter 6, and many of the disciples (not the 12), but many others who were following along and listening to Jesus speak did in fact take it literally. They thought He was speaking about cannibalism. In John 6:60-65, we see the perplexity of the disciples. Many of them left because of Jesus' words.

I think that John 6:63 gives us a clear understanding that Jesus was not speaking about His literal blood and literal flesh. He says that it is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The word quickeneth means make alive. It is the spirit that makes alive, the flesh profits nothing. There is no spiritual benefit in the flesh. So, the words Jesus spoke were not physical. It is spirit. It is not physical life; it is spiritual life. So, He says everything that I just told you about my flesh, and my blood, take that and change it into spiritual metaphors and you'll have what it means.

This is my understanding of this subject.

Blessings to you!

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Hello Fuji. Yes, reading through John 6:26-60, one could easily assume that Jesus spoke about His actual Flesh & Blood that had to be consumed; and the disciples themselves were astonished & probably confused by such words ( John 6:60). I understand that the RCC believe & teach that the physical emblems of bread & wine mystically convert to Christ's actual Body & Blood ("Christ's Presence" as they call it) when consecrated to God (transubstantiation). And of course, that would mean that Christ would have to be sacrificed every time the eucharist takes place. The belief is that for present cleansing of all sin, Christ's Body must be remembered & partaken of. And how can it be partaken of, except by death (even in the mystical sense), though as I understand it, the RC doesn't believe that those converted elements represent His death again.

We read clearly in Hebrews 10:1-12 what the writer was bringing out when comparing the sacrifices conducted by the Jewish priests to that of our great High Priest. And particularly, verse 3, "But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year", when we also read verses 10 to 12, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once (for all). And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God".

So we see here that Christ's Sacrifice was, and could only be made once, & this one Sacrifice alone was absolutely sufficient to deal with all of mankind's sins. And of course, the cleansing we speak of, is what God does by forgiving us, on the basis of His acceptance of His Son's Perfect & Complete Work at Calvary. Onto Page 2.

(Galatians Part 10):

Galatians 5:19 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

He says here are the performances of the flesh, the works of the flesh. They are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication (sexual immorality), uncleanness, which means all impurities. That's what uncleanness means. It's even a word that is described demonic forces, unclean spirits, all impurities. Lasciviousness, which means uncontrolled lust.

So, these first four have to do with immorality. It goes from the simple, and ones we are all familiar with, to the ones that are out of control.

Galatians 5:20 - Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Then there's idolatry, and this all has to do with religion. Idolatry is idol worship. Witchcraft, which is literally the word PHARMAKEIA, which is the word for drugs. Not in and of itself, but for idol worship, they used to use drugs to drug people to get them to be able to reach a "spiritual high" in meetings of idolatry.

And hatred is literally the word hostility. Variance means conflicts or fighting's. Emulations are jealousies. The word wrath means rages of anger. It doesn't mean to get mad. It means to be under the influence of rage all the time. Strife is the word for self-ambition. Seditions is the word for divisions.

And heresies, we've all heard the word. It literally means to choose. That's what the word heresy means. It means to choose what group or political party you want to be part of. But in the church, it's what we choose to believe. Not so much what the bible says, but what we choose to believe. That is a heresy. All false teaching is based on what somebody chooses to believe is true but is not backed up by the word of God.

(Galatians Part 9):

Galatians 5:10 - I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

He says, I have confidence in you through the Lord, that you will be none otherwise minded: The Greek word is PHRONESIS for mind and it means the frame of mind. He says that you're going to have the same frame of mind that you did when you first received Christ, the same attitude, the same approach to legalism as I do. There's a persuasion that has persuaded you that it is right even though you know it's wrong!

Galatians 5:12 - I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

He says if circumcision carries any spiritual weight, maybe they ought to be castrated. That's a very sarcastic "dig" by Paul about the mutilation of the flesh! If they want to be spiritual, let them be castrated. I wish they were cut off. This term "cut off" in the Greek text is the word APOKOPSONTAI, and that's exactly what it means, castrated.

Galatians 5:16 - This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit. That's a Present Tense Imperative. Be continually walking under the influence of God's Spirit. That's the command. In Ephesians 5:18, Paul says be not drunk with wine wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit. The word filled means influenced. Seek to be influenced by the Spirit.

You can tell that he focuses on the influences in our life, the persuasions and the various things that influence us and take us captive. Seek to be under the influence of God's Spirit.

Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

So, he says about the condition, if you are being led by the Spirit, listen to this literal translation, we are not under the law. You're not under the law. You are under the influence of God's Spirit.

(Galatians Part 8):

Galatians 5:1 - Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

He says, stand firm therefore. The word fast means firm, stand firm. Also, the term stand fast, or stand firm is what is called a Present Imperative, which means be continuously standing. It's not a one-time thing. Be continuously standing firm!

I think that's an interesting concept. The reason why he places that at the beginning of the sentence is because it's one of the most important words in the Christian vocabulary. To stand firm! In other words, once I've received Christ, I'm at the highest position spiritually that I will ever be.

That's what Ephesians is all about, is our position in Christ. I'm in Christ in the Spirit realm, seated with Him at the throne of God. Always! That will never ever change. Far above all principalities and powers, and demonic forces, the whole thing, I'm in Christ!

And so, it's interesting that once I have received Christ, I am to stand. There isn't anywhere else to go. Spiritually, I have arrived. I need growth. I need understanding. I need development of my relationship with Christ. But I can't get any more saved than the first time I got saved. I will always be in Christ. One day I will shed this physical body, and then my position will be realized in the spirit realm, as the physical body will not hold me down any longer.

Galatians 5:8 - This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

It's interesting because the word persuasion, that's where the word faith comes from. There are many different persuasions in the world, especially different philosophies of people and of religious views.

Paul is saying that there is only one persuasion that comes from God. He's telling them that this persuasion does not come from the one who is calling you. Notice how I translated it? That is a Present Tense, a Present Participle. It is the one who is constantly calling you!

(Galatians Part 7):

Galatians 4:5 - To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

He did this to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Did you catch that? Adoption, HUIOTHESIAN, has to do with putting a person in place to be the inheritor. That's what the HUIOS is. There are different Greek words for the term son.

The word Son, in the title Son of God doesn't have anything to do with someone who is a son by birth. It is a legal term that means the person, who through the legal system, has been placed into a position to inherit all things. So, He came to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4:9 - But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

But now, after that ye have known God, and I want to point this out to you because it's very subtle. He did it in Colossians, but he also did it here. He says but after you have known God, (or rather) are known of God. He corrected himself in Colossians as well. And we do it all the time. We ask people "Do you know the Lord?" The scripture says does the Lord know you?

The bible says a relationship with Christ is not based on me knowing Him, but Him knowing me, which is a relief because, before He saved me, He knew me!

Galatians 4:12 - Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

Where it says, "I beseech you," it is literally I appeal to you.

(Galatians Part 6):

Galatians 3:6 - Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Even as Abraham believed God, making reference back to Genesis 15:6, even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. The word accounted is an accounting term and it means to calculate. It was put on his account. And to be made righteous, or considered righteous, all he did was believe. That's it!

Justification, which is being declared right with God, is something that is imputed to you. It is something that is put on your account. You're still the same and you're not any more righteous or unrighteous than you were before. But it's put on your account.

What is imparted to us is the Holy Spirit for sanctification. Righteousness is not imparted to us. It's put to our account. But what is given to us is the Holy Spirit of God. When that happens, I am sanctified. And those are the two doctrines that we are dealing with. So, Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. He believed!

Galatians 3:24 - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster. That's the Greek word pedagogue. It's equivalent to our nanny type person. The pedagogue was in charge of educating the children, or taking the children to school, dressing them, preparing them, making sure they made it to dinner on time.

Hi Chris

Let's see the verse in Mark 16:9, "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week ..."

The greek reads, "Anastas(was risen) de proi(morning) prote(first) Savvatou(of the Sabbath) ..."

But here a question comes in. Why did the KJV translate "of the Sabbath" as "the first day of the week"?. The answer is because the Jews, apart from the day of Sabbath, also called the 7 day week as a Sabbath. Example: Luke 18:12, (it is the incident with the Pharisee and the publican), it says in grk "nesteuo (I fast) dis(twice) Savvatou(of the Sabbath) ...." It is obvious that the Pharisee doesn't mean that he fasts twice on the day of Sabbath, but twice in a week.

Another example is also in Luke, verse 24:1, "te de mia(in the first) ton Savvaton(of the Sabbaths) orthou batheos(very early in the morning) ..", it obviously means in the first day of the week very early in the morning.

Actually it is known from history books that the Jews at that time fasted on Tuesdays and Wednesdays every week. So the first day of the Sabbath here is the first day of the week. The Sabbath was the last day of the Jewish week and the next day (the christian Sunday) was the first.

But the verse in Luke 23:54 clarifies the day of the week that Jesus was buried. It says "Kai (and) hemera(day) en(was) paraskeue(preparation), Savvatou (of the Sabbath) epephoske (was coming close)." What does it mean "the day was preparation"? Here we have to look at the names of the week days in Hebrew. The are called: the first, the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth, the preparation (because the were making all the preparation need for resting on the Sabbaths since they were not allowed to do anything on the Sabbaths) and last of all was the Sabbath. So the right interpretation of that verse (in mod. English) is "and it was Friday and Saturday(Sabbath) was closing in (since the day for Hebrews starts in the evening of the previous day)".

How do people feel about John chapter 6 verses 26 through to 60 ? Does this mean that we must attend a church and eat the bread and drink the wine which are said to represent the body and the blood of Jesus ? These verses seem to me to imply , quiet strongly , that we must eat and drink the emblems of Christ's body and blood , literally . This doesn't seem like a metaphor to me , it seems quite implicit , what do others think ?

Hello Woe,

I read the article you shared and would like to clarify a few points regarding the Passover. According to Luke 22:15-16, Jesus wanted to eat the Passover with His disciples before He suffered, but He did not partake in it He knew He would die at the same time as the Passover lambs, so He would not be there on the 15th.

In Exodus 12, we see that lambs were killed on the 14th of Nisan, known as Passover Day, which is also a preparation day for the 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread that begins on the 15th. The Passover meal was consumed on the night of the 15th.

John 18:28 shows that on the 14th, the same day Jesus had the Last Supper in the morning the priests would not enter the judgment hall because they would be defiled and could not catch the blood of the Passover lambs and pour it into the altar or eat the Passover if they were defiled.

The article's author is mistaken in claiming that Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover on Tuesday, as Scripture does not support this.

In summary, the 14th of Nisan is Passover Day and a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which begins on the 15th. The lambs were killed in the evening of the 14th any time after the sun started to go down.

Scripture is clear there were 5 days from when Jesus rode into Jerusalem to when He was crucified, the Scriptures should show if studied in my other post. He rode in on the first day of the week and He was crucified on the fifth day of the week this is what the Scripture tells us.

God bless,

RLW

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Well, then You either have not discovered or identified the things that need looked at. That is were I a stand. Thanks for the contact.

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And the latter's (Chrysostom) Homilies on Galatians 2:17 is particularly telling, which I quote here:

"For though few are now circumcised, yet, by fasting and observing the sabbath with the Jews, they equally exclude themselves from grace... You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul's words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews? Is it that you fear the Law and abandonment of its letter? But you would not entertain this fear, did you not disparage faith as weak, and by itself powerless to save. A fear to omit the sabbath plainly shows that you fear the Law as still in force; and if the Law is needful, it is so as a whole, not in part, nor in one commandment only; and if as a whole, the righteousness which is by faith is little by little shut out. If you keep the sabbath, why not also be circumcised? And if circumcised, why not also offer sacrifices? If the Law is to be observed, it must be observed as a whole, or not at all."

Just forwarding the above, not only for the abolishing of the Law as pertaining to its currency post-Cross, but more particularly, that rejecting the Sabbath is not some new thing, but an observance by the early Church & those who belonged or taught since those days.

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Thanks again for the reply, Woe. I have already shared why I believe the first day of the week was Jesus' resurrection day - and from the Scriptures given. And yes, I have received the evidence you have shared, & found it faulty in light of the Scriptures. Even 'God establishing the Sabbath Day at the close of Creation', is incorrect, as we only read that 'God rested (ceased) from His Work, blessed the seventh day and sanctified it (set it apart)' ( Genesis 2:1-3). But the Sabbath was only given at Mt Sinai to His people. If we say that Genesis 26:5 proves without doubt that the Laws & Sabbath remembrance was given to & observed by Abraham, then this belief must only be an assumption, since there is no Scripture to tell us what was given to Abraham. Even if I had to guess what Laws, commands & statutes were given to him, mine too would just be a guess - and that is the sort of thing I avoid most vehemently, as it only breeds error & simply adds fuel to those desperately searching for verses to support their position.

The only clear Scripture relating to Christ's resurrection on the first day of the week is found in Mark 16:9 (to which we have found disagreement previously). Maybe a Greek scholar can confirm how they understand that verse, (taken from my Lexicon), whether

'Anastas de proi prote sabbatou, ephane proton Maria te Magdalene..' is read better,

or Anastas de, proi prote sabbatou ephane proton Maria te Magdalene..' is better read? Maybe, that might help us further.

The RCC may have changed the day of worship, according to them I presume, but Church history informs us that the early Church fathers in general, believed that the First Day of the Week was the occasion to worship & commune together. The Didache (Teachings of the Apostles), Ignatius of Antioch (AD 110), Justin Martyr (AD 155), & John Chrysostom (AD 395), are a few who held that view. Cont'd on Page 2.

Thank you Woe, all that you have written here is correct & I fully concur. We need to seriously consider what we read in the Bible, and by the Spirit's Help, to rightly understand it and divide it. Though, as we are here in a Bible Site to discuss matters pertaining to the Bible & our Christian walk, what we exchange here between each other, is purely to disseminate what we have learned & understood from the Word. And yes, the mirror needs to be continually before our faces, to see whether what we say to another, doesn't in fact bear upon us as well.

That is why, when in a discussion such as this, I take all Scripture into account, ensuring the basic elements of the subject are foundational. I find that if the foundation is incorrect or wobbly, then whatever is built thereon will very likely totter over & crumble. So, even when I say that the Decalogue, or all of God's Commandments were given to Israel & no one else, I know that it will immediately raise eyebrows by those who believe (or, taught) otherwise. And that is why we then delve into the Word to learn further. So, even through extensive discussions we might never come to agreement (& this is most often the case), we at least have presented arguments in support of our beliefs, for our learning, understanding & for any other interested reader's benefit. So no Ego here, neither with you nor me, just bringing out the Word of God.

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But only the righteousness of the Law could be fulfilled in us - how? By holding onto the Law of sin & death? No, by those being led by God's Spirit, He Who applies the Law in a continual, greater & more perfect measure in those who belong to Christ.

And yes, God's Laws are eternal ("till the heavens & earth pass away"), but Jesus has fulfilled them for us perfectly (not just the sacrificial aspects only but what Israel & us could never keep from the Decalogue) & thus He was the only Sacrifice that could avail for us. If Jesus failed, we would fail because of the Law's demands - and there would be no hope for mankind. Why should we appeal to a Law that only revealed our sin & brought death, rather, we ought to listen & obey the Spirit of Life Who tells us daily, constantly how to obey & please the Father.

So, I understand your reference to Revelation 21:1-5, pertaining to the Law that is eternal. But do we neglect the many passages, which I've already quoted, that show us the finality of the Law & its demands at the Cross, as Jesus ushered in the New Covenant administered by the Life-giving Spirit (without the Law's weaknesses & leading men to death)?

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Woe, since your responses are scattered in this thread, I will refer to them individually rather than collectively.

We again refer to Matthew 5:17-20. The questions we must ask when reading this passage (or, any passage of Scripture) is, 'what is being referred to here?' Verse 17: 'Law & the Prophets'. Jesus is referring to what we understand is the breakdown of the Tanakh, namely, the Torah (the Law - Pentateuch), the Nevi'im (the Prophetical Books), and the Ketuvim (the Writings - others). Here, Jesus speaks only of the Torah & Nevi'im, and these He would not destroy (nor will they ever be destroyed), until all is fulfilled by Him. If you agree to this understanding, then we have a basis to proceed.

The Law that Jesus referred to, was not simply the Ten Commandments, but all the Law of God given to Israel, just as 'the Prophets' could not be restricted to certain prophetical books but to all that was given to Israel for their present & future state. If we restrict the Law to the Decalogue only, then we are presuming that this was of much greater worth than the other Laws given by God. Whereas, the Decalogue was a brief snapshot given to a people, once under the rigors of slavery & hardship, who had all but forgotten the Living God Who had never forgotten them. The Decalogue was a reminder to them of God's essential requirements for His people as they made their way to idolatrous Canaan, also showing to them that the Law could not ever bring about the desired outcome for holy living, simply because sinful flesh can never fulfil what that Law demanded (being "weak through the flesh"); that the Law should have pointed to them of their need of a coming Savior, to condemn sin in the flesh, providing an escape from a Law that only entrapped the soul, not giving life (see Romans 8:3,4). Onto Page 2.

Thanks for your reply.

Sadly, no, Jesus rose on Saturday just as the sun began to set.

You are very close to the correct timeline though.

Rather than explain myself, I will allow someone who has already done the research and fact checking to do it for me this time. I am tired and have been awake for many hours or I would normally do it myself.

To get a detailed and concise narrative with scriptural context copy and paste the following into your browser and hit return then click the first link to United Church of God and you will receive the context of what I believe, even though I am not a member of this organization.

SEARCH THIS PHRASE>>>> Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Please share your thoughts after you finish reading. Thanks.

Hi Woe,

I hope you don't mind. Concerning the crucifixion and resurrection days, if we compare all the gospels, all four give the clearest truth.

In John 12:1-12, we learn that six days before Passover, Jesus visited the house of Mary, Martha, and Lazarus in Bethany. The following day, He rode into Jerusalem, five days before Passover. This event was significant because it coincided with the 10th of Nisan, the day the lambs were selected and held until the 14th when they would be sacrificed for Passover, the same time Jesus died on the cross, Exodus 12:1-14. These Passover lambs were eaten the night of the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread the day Israel went out of Egypt.

Sunday Matthew 21:1-17, Mark 11:1-11, Luke 19:28-22:7, and John 12:12-50.

Monday, Matthew 21:18-19 Mark 11:12-19 This was the 11th, four days before Passover the 2nd day of the week.

Tuesday, Matthew 21:20 to 26:2 Mark 11:20 to 14:2 This was the 12th, three days before Passover, the third day of the week.

Wednesday, Matthew 26:6-16 Mark 14:3-11 Luke 22:1-6 This was the 13th, and at sunset is Passover day the 14th. The Last Supper, the arrest, sent to Pilot, the crucifixion, and placed in the tomb were all on the 14th, Passover day. Friday would be the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Jesus was in the tomb Thur. Day, Fri, Night, Fri. Day, Sat. Night, Sat. Day, Sun. Night, three days, and three nights. Jesus rose on the first day of the week and fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits, Leviticus 23:10-14 This coincides with what Jesus told Mary, touch me not, He had not ascended to His Father, John 20:17. The Feast of First Fruits as we see is on the first day after the Sabbath after Passover Day.

If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, the women could have gone to the tomb on Friday because Friday is a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.

God bless,

RLW