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Sheila,

This is my understanding of 2 Thessalonians 1:8: It says "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

In flaming fire taking vengeance on (two kinds of non-believers): on them that do not know God, and those that do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

There is a difference. The second ones are people who just reject the truth when they hear the gospel. The first ones about knowing God, are those people that have had it revealed to them, as Paul calls it in Romans Chapter 1 that through nature, through creation, God has manifested Himself that He is real and that there is God.

They might not have ever heard the gospel, but Paul says in Romans Chapter 1 that the testimony of God is in every person's heart that enters into this world, so that no one can stand before Him with an excuse.

Even if they never hear, the bible says that the Holy Spirit is using creation as a testimony to people's hearts. So both kinds of non-believers will be judged with vengeance from God.

I hope this helps!

Ruth,

They say they have the Eucharist, but what they have is a false Christ. What I mean by that is they hold to the doctrine of Transubstantiation, meaning that the priest has the power to change a wafer into the literal body of Jesus Christ, and change the wine into the literal blood of Christ. That is not biblical.

They make the claim based on John Chapter 6, where Jesus told His disciples to take this bread and eat it, for it is my body which will be shed for you. Take this cup and drink it, for it is my blood which will be given up for you. At the end, the priest says "Do this in memory of me." You probably already know this since you attended Catholic Church.

The problem with this is that when Jesus said take this all of you and eat it, for this is my body, and take this and drink it, for this is my blood, He ate and drank with them. Jesus said this is my body, and this is my blood which will be given up for you (Future Tense). Jesus was speaking about His coming death on the cross and that after that happened, we were to celebrate communion as a memorial of His death and resurrection.

To say that Jesus Christ is literally present in the Eucharist, both flesh and blood, is false and should be rejected by those who know that Christ already dwells in His fullness inside them. To believe that the wafer is literally Christ's body, and after they eat it, where does it end up? It ends up in the commode and then they have to back again for more Jesus. We have the creator of the entire universe living within us, and He is always there. You've done well to leave. I would not go back!

why no healing?

I have asked for the gift of healing as I would love to empty a children's hospital and so far nothing.

well sometimes the answer is no for various reasons

In Matthew 17:21 someone had a devil and the apostles would not cast it out.

Jesus said in Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

sometimes prayer and fasting is needed

Paul was given a thorn in the flesh and asked for healing and was told no

2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

sometimes it is for our benefit as hard as that is to believe

Jesus did not do healing and miracles because of the people's unbelief

Matthew 13:58 And he (Jesus) did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

sometimes we get a no cause the people who want healed have no real faith

other times people get sick cause of sin, like with adultery they get aids or venereal diseases

one can be forgiven, but still must live with the sins consequences

sickness from eating the wrong foods i.e. Bible health laws is not a salvation matter, it is a health matter.

In China they often eat bats, rats and anything that moves it seems.

and sometimes the answer is just plain no for reasons we do not understand...yet.

Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Something found inside the old Gideon's Bibles:

The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler's map, the pilgrim's staff, the pilot's compass, the soldier's sword and the Christian's character.

Here paradise is restored, heaven opened and the gates of hell disclosed. Christ is its grand object, our good is its design and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart, and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently, and prayerfully.

It is given you in life and will be opened in the judgment and will be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, will reward the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

-Author Unknown

The Book of James really is edifying, it does not raise more questions, but is very clear to those that have understanding. James one of the 3 Closest to Jesus when he was here on earth had unique teaching from Christ himself . And a pillar of the church in deed !

A must read for the disciples of Christ today , or contemplating to be one .

Matthew 24:37 - But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 - For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 - And knew not until the flood came, and took (WHO?) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 - Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 - Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND at the end of the flood.

Luke 17:26 - And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

The WICKED were TAKEN FIRST and Noah was LEFT BEHIND

Luke 17:27 - They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:28 - Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Lot was left behind - the wicked were taken

Luke 17:29 - But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:30 - Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 2:12 - But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

So do pre trib preachers lie and make the Bible say the opposite of the Bible teaches?

Yay Bob. Preach brother!

Use the search box when you first enter this website. Put in flaming sword and it will bring up all scriptures that say flaming or sword. Look for the verse with both words.

You can even scroll down to the commentary box that will briefly explain your verse.

Being born again is the key issue here.

Jesus did not call us to perform religious ceremonies. He said My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

Baptist church life is more than sitting in a pew. I grew up southern Baptist and knew nothing about the Godhead: Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They preached hell and that I had to be Baptised. Which I did, and 5 yrs

later I was serving the devil.

Find one that teaches THE BIBLE. You can research online what each church's Tenets of Faith are. Google that if you don't know what that is. If you do not read your Bible every day you will NEVER know if you are being taught the truth at Church!

Seek TRUTH. Jesus says: I AM the WAY, the TRUTH, and THE LIFE. No one comes to the Father, except BY ME.

The Father is Spirit! He is not fleshly; human. Find in the King James Bible where God is a human man.

Jesus oversees the Bema Seat judgement of born again believers: with rewards, loss of rewards, or Crowns.

God oversees the Great White Throne Judgement.

The email i can not use anymore, but i still wanted to let you know of my struggles with satan. I feel that god has been with me the whole time. I truly love god. And why i was attacked i do not know. I struggle with PTSD. I Have have had vivid dreams with cherubs seen jesus felt his presents. Felt rejected by many when everyone including my family denied me. Jesus did not. I needed this versus its getting better for some reason my language and my anger is awful i have repented and asked for forgiveness. Thats all i can do. Mercy ship. Means alot. Along time ago i wantedthe mercy house it goes together. Its not for me but them msybe god will bless them with that special gift. Cherubs i my dream gave me three gifts that were taken from me . I know what that meant its like the the talents that you get that you do want share rember in i think mathew the bridegrooms eachgot 3,5,

2 Corinthians Chapter 5:1-6

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Therefore we are always confident,

knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

Comment: All born again believers will be caught up to Jesus, in the clouds; dead or alive.

Don't bet any big money on what you said about the continuing struggle of religious leaders to attain prestige and dominance over all those who ARE LEFT BEHIND.

There are plenty of history pages on this website to sift through about comments On After the Caught Up. It will be a massive display of Game of Thrones; except it will not be a game! There will be a person who will rise who will fix all the problems of the chaos LEFT BEHIND. Who will seem so competent that people will worship him as the savior of Peace! One by one, he will eradicate the man made thrones, until he alone is supreme Leader. ANTICHRIST. And then the Tribulation. Either you take His Mark and worship him or he will take your head off your body.

All those who die will be held for the Great White Throne Judgement. Google that.

Living people who manage to stay alive can still confess Jesus as Lord and go to heaven but it's going to be hard to evade being murdered by Antichrist, before then. Do not recant your vow to Jesus.

Earth will BURN. 2 Peter 3:7-10

No one can stop scripture from happening!!

I was raised Baptist but have been going to the Catholic Church but am switching back to Baptist because in attending probation for Legion of Mary I see that I can not pray to Mary. One of the stands that my Catholic friends make is that THEY HAVE THE EUCHARIST. How can I defend myself with the bible against that claim?

2 Corinthians 5:10, this is the Bema Seat judgment of Christ, for believers who accepted Jesus as Savior and Lord. It's like a review of your life as a Christian on Earth.

It is to receive rewards or to lose rewards.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

There will be crowns given for various things. Which I think I read that we will place the crowns at the feet of Jesus.

It's a solemn occasion, but also a happy event. You're not going to lose your salvation.

What we learn from the New Testament is HOW to follow Jesus and become a disciple.

How did we respond to his teaching? when I was hungry; you fed me. When I was naked, you clothed me. When I was sick, you visited me, etc. There's all kinds of ministries we can join or support with our giving, or time. Be generous and do not begrudge having to do it. You do it as unto Jesus, and no others. It is not for personal glory. It's about the blessings of obedience.

I think in 1 Corinthians 12, we see that we can ask the Holy Spirit for gifts or administrations, for the purpose of relieving suffering and lack in believers and the unsaved. That perhaps by your love and mercy, the unsaved will come to Jesus through your ministry to them. It is so simple to ask them if you can lead them in a prayer of repentance and to receive Jesus as their Savior too. The soul winners Crown.

A year ago I set myself down to really study all that Jesus said; how he related to all people; the religious; the demonic; the public in general. We have to slow down from speed reading, to actually process how Jesus was ministering and teaching His Disciples. Jesus is the Son of Man: all God and all man in one body. He set aside his power as Gods Son, to be amongst humankind. How do you respond to that? We're not saved to just occupy a pew on Sunday. Search ourselves...

Another words, teach them the difference between right and wrong or good and bad, no matter whether they tell you or not.

God cares for his children,and he never let them down ....

GOD use foolish things to confirm the wise...

GOD told jonah that ..he had pity on the gourd ,what he did not labour for or plant and also he did not knw how it grows,...

and that was a clear message to jonah ....

Where is the flaming sword and the Cherubims that protected the Garden

Faith comes by hearing by the word.... Thus revelation.. It being revealed to you.remembered unless given you cannot receive. Hearing Jesus,being spoken by the holy ghost.the word(Thus Jesus) became flesh and dwelt among us.and now in us and made manifest by the holy spirit...

In Psalms 1:5 does this mean that people who are not saved will not stand before Jesus on judgement day? I never thought about this,I guess why would they,after all they will be in hell or on the way to hell.

There is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved other than the name Christ Jesus, for He is the Living Water, He is the Bread of Life, His is the saving blood. Jesus is the way, and the truth and the life and no man can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ.

john 7-11

well said. What is your take on WHO will repopulate the earth for a literal millennial reign?

I ahve certain thoughts on the matter.

Those who take the mark of course are taken first in Matthew 24 (one is taken and one is left). Of course it was the wicked that were taken "as in the days of Noah".

We will get our glorified bodies before the millennium so it won't be us.

I know the modern Sanhedrin is pushing for worldwide Noahide Laws on ONLY Gentiles so if there is a mark of the beast connected to the Noahide Laws and that is where the New World Order is going, then they will be exempt. What is interesting is the Jewish Noahide laws call for beheading of idolators and their rabbis say Christians are the greatest idolators because we practice "partnering" where we make Jesus equal to the Father as we believe in the trinity.

Another possibility is those that haven't met the age of accountability.

Some think aborted babies will be sent back to earth to be tested. That sounds a little weird but someone has to repopulate the earth.

What is your take on this?

I lean heavily on the Noahide Laws as some Christians have already given themselves over to it, plus the huge growth of the Hebrew Roots Movement where some have even converted to Judaism now and left the Lord ( Hebrews 6). You also have the huge uprising of the Black Israelite cults like HOI, SICARII, GMS, ETC.

God is saving Muslims and masses of them would be saved if it wasn't for the fear of converting. I think many are missing it thinking the antichrist will be a Muslim. We shouldn't care what the Koran teaches. Scripture also calls Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt and it surely is today as it is the gay pride capital of the world now and the number one abortion country in the world "per capita".

So what do you think? I'm a partial-preterist/partial-futurist/premillennialist. These are my thougths.

In 1 Thess 1:8 what does it mean to "obey the Gospel..."?

comments on Isaiah 9 v 6 He calls CHRIST EVERLASTING FATHER. Jesus said that satan was the FATHER OF THE TARES B/C is the one who sows the tares Thus Christ is the FATHER of the Wheat simply b/c he is the one who SOWS the WHEAT IN MANS HEARTS .The father that sends the H.G is actually Christ .The WHEAT ARE GODS,THE GRANSONS the israel of God. SIMPLY B/C JESUS IS THE ONE WHO SOWS THAT PRECIOUS SEED IN OUR HEARTS. Jesus said the FATHER wd send the H.G IN MY NAME, IN MY NAME MEANS HE IS THE ONE WHO SOWS THAT SEED.Remember Jesus said that the father was in him meaning in his seed. Just like father Abraham was in issac simply b/c Abraham was in issac's seed a prosterity. Of Father son and Granson the Godhead that became the nation of Israel but also a picture of the heavenly trinity, the the Israel of God.EVERY CREATURE THAT GOD MADE WAS TOLD TO GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY. And that was the PROMISE that God made to Christ thru Abraham's heavenly seed CHRIST JESUS. tHE point i am trying to make IS the H.G. came out of Christ seed, which was his WORD HIS BREATH,When HE BREATHE on them they received the H.G. HE WAS REPRODUCING GOD WITH HIS SEED, now do you see the Gransons.?That was the great Promise i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven. Now do you see the Israel of God?Jesus is not without a seed,There are heavenly children coming soon.Thats u Elijah has to come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the CHILDREN B/F THAT GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD.Remember God swore by himself when he made that PROMISE about multiplication,thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD CAME THAT GOOD SEED it made them Gods ( the gransons ) see father son and granson followed by an israel of GOD.Jesus refers to the H.G as the promise Child meaning his offspring. The children of Promise ouir new innerman, our new hhart and new spirit. k later GBU

Thank you for the explaining this verse for me. Taking the time that you did, which is considerable, is a testament of someone devoted to spreading the gospel and doing Gods work. Where is your organization located?

Timothy, here are some more verses for you:

Eph 2:8,9; Jn 3:16-18; Acts 16:30-33; Rom 10:9,10; Jn 5:24.

Thank you Jesus for setting Tyler free from drug addiction and his freedom from drugs is used for your Glory amen

He would have lost his life.He chose to fall into the hands of the lord for he knew that the lord is merciful and will temper justice with mercy.As it is written somewhere that let us find Grace to help in time of Mercy.

Warren, I think if we look at Luke 12:49 in context to the chapter & also Matthew chapter 10 (as an addendum to Luke's account), we'll see that this is not a literal fire that Jesus speaks of, but a fire of divisions & contentions. In fact, in verse 51, He says, "Do you think I've come to bring peace on Earth? No, but to bring divisions". We might find this teaching troubling as we often think of the Gospel of Christ as that which brings peace to our once troubled & sinful souls & a new peace & relationship with the Godhead.

Yet, the other side of the faith in Christ's Gospel, is that of contentions & divisions. The Gospel is divisive: it separates the sheep from the goats, friends & family members are set apart because of its call for separation & holiness, it separates those who attend Church for conscience sake from those attending to worship the Lord Whom they love, it makes distinction between those who take up their cross daily from those who are careless in their fleshly walk, etc.

And Jesus says: "and what will I, if it be already kindled?", or "what can I say, that the spark of fire has already commenced?" The very fact of Jesus' Presence, amongst the people & his disciples, had already started the fires of anger & separation from one another. First, it commenced in the people's hearts as they heard teachings that were foreign to them & the Spirit-filled messages brought serious questioning & conviction within. Even arriving at the foot of the Cross, the division of those who followed the Lord from those who rejected Him became clearer & more distinct, resulting in more hatred from the Jews & Romans. Post Cross, we see the effects of that 'fire' as the apostles & those who obeyed the Lord suffered greatly, not because of anything they had done, but from those who had rejected Christ & godly living, were marked for destruction. You can keep these thoughts in mind as you read through the NT, looking for evidences of this fire that 'to follow Christ' brings.