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Greetings Ruth, The Bible does not mention Mary was without sin. I believe this is exactly why the virgin birth was so important.

I believe Jesus had the same mother and Father as the first Adam.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Jesus is called the last Adam.

Christ is likened to the folowing

Hebrews Chapter 7

1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

no earthly mother or Father

Don't know where you study you're leading a lot of people wrong, tells you in John 8:44 you are of your father the devil talking to cain, the devil is satan, and antichrist, in 2 Corinthians 11:3 it tells you satan beguiled eve, you look up beguiled in the greek concordance, it is exapatao 1818 to seduce wholly that's what satan did to Eve, yes satan is cains father

John seems you are ignorant (not knowing something) so please allow me to show you something

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Yes Adam lived 900+ years human wise and died in one day in the eyes of the Lord, since a day to the Lord is as

1,000 years.

There is no discrepancy with the Bible that I have found.

John 10:30 kjv: I and my Father are one.

It is amazing how short was the time that Adam spent in the Garden before sinning. It was not long at all before he and eve became the first cave people.

I don't understand your comment: I don't think that Gen 3: 3 and Rev 3:6 are related. Gen is at the beginning of creation and revelations is not and 3:6 applies to something else

Hi John,

Happy to offer my opinion.

1. Genesis 2:17. Adam did die. Death and aging didn't happen before that. So, Adam was instantly separated from God spiritually (spiritual death), and began a slow process of physical death from that point on via aging. And if God killed him instantly, you'd probably have people criticizing that too and making negative claims and assumptions about that, so he allowed Adam (and people in general) to have a long life.

"for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." - sounds like you're interpreting this as thou shalt surely die 'that day', but it doesn't say that. It says in 'the day' that he eats it ... this will happen (death), but it didn't say how soon the death part would occur. It seems to mean spiritual death + death through aging.

2. Genesis 7:4 - "every living substance". The Bible already explained this. Just like in writing class you often write a general thesis at the beginning then later explain more specifically what it means this is what's done here. It doesn't mean it's inaccurate. Simply keep reading. Gen 7:21-23 it specifically says "And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:"

22 says each with nostrils, 23 gives examples which are land animals. It says substance, but appears to mean animals.

The other possibility is that the olive tree was dead and came back to live when the waters receded, but I don't think so, because it would have explained that when it was specific in verses 21-23.

The Bible says the opposite. All have sinned, except Jesus. Romans 3:23.

Does it and if so where in the bible does it say that Mary (Jesus' human mother) without sin?

ANY ANSWERS???

God said Adam would die "in that day" Genesis 2:17 that he partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but he lived until 930 years old.

God said that the flood of Noah's time would destroy "every living substance" ( Genesis 7:4, Genesis 7:23) from the face of the earth," yet the dove sent by Noah plucked an olive leaf from an olive tree after the flood. A tree is a living substance.

If these phrases are taken at face value, would there not be a discrepancy in the Word of God?

Am a 79 year old woman.....As humans we are neither bad or good...the problem with humanity is that we tend to be curious, head strong and actually bossy......But as years pass .....We finally realize,,,that we lean more towards man's ways... Instead of God's way.....it feels like this world has become Godless , like in the days of the flood. God freely gave us a new beginning and again ...man has proven Satan right.....Man is not worthy of God....until we learn to heed the word of God we will never reach that ever lasting happiness......Once man comes to terms that the earth does not belong to man...We are just the keepers...

#1 You say this Corona 19 Virus is not a plague, but it is a deep thorough sifting of the whole world, those that are loving God's presence are sure that God is not looking to kill them. As the Enslaved Jews had to vow their pledge to the living God in putting Lambs Blood on their door mantle which kept the destroyer from killing their first born. That blood represents the nature and word of Jesus that when you have your personal Pentecost experience speaking in heavenly tongues You also are acting IN Christ and God himself now is dwelling in you to finish to sinless perfection the full nature and relationship of Jesus manifesting God from your soul. So if you think to call the Virus not a plague Oh well you may hold to that God is love and yet tornados and storms come but a Perfected Christian like Jesus tells them to cease. But as in Revelations and through this Plague we see God has shut down all public churches for preaching against His and Jesus strange new thing to make us Perfect able to hang with God in our sins until those sins are no more by God's speaking to the believer and thru the reading of the bible and Perfected ministers preaching. But these God told John the Divine do not measure these false Christian churches because they are in the outer court not part of the Kingdom of God because they are saying all NO ONE IS Perfect meaning Jesus died a failure if so God wants to create Christ in each of us. They washed their garments with fullers soap and where wearing white robes meaning no sin nature of Jesus manifesting the Fathers heart mind and presence from their souls. The glory of God.

#2 to believe that Jesus 2nd Coming refers to a time at the end of the Grace Age work of God to make you in Jesus image, sinless Perfect is a one time thing is quite unscriptural Jesus coming in the clouds refers to clouds being Ministers Perfected. Then they preach Perfection in Christ throughout the entire Grace Age starting with the apostles, thus sayeth the Lord

In this verse of Ezekiel 18:30 God is not making us a new heart but we are responsible to making us a new heart for Him.

what is this BCE / CE vs BC or AD nonsense?

BC stands for Before Christ and AD means Anno Domino or year of our LORD

BCE means Before COMMON ERA as if the birth of Christ was common or vulgar.

CE means COMMON ERA.

From wickedpedia: "The term "Common Era" can be found in English as early as 1708,[7] and became more widely used in the mid-19th century by Jewish religious scholars. In the later 20th century, the use of CE and BCE was popularized in academic and scientific publications as a culturally neutral term. It is also used by some authors and publishers who wish to emphasize sensitivity to non-Christians by not explicitly referencing Jesus as "Christ" and Dominus ("Lord") through use of the abbreviation[c] "AD"

Basically using BCE and CE is a DENIAL OF JESUS.

Anthony,

This would be committing murder with the intent to do so. The word kill in thou shalt not kill is the word murder. There is a difference. If someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night, you have the right to defend yourself and your family. God forbid that ever happen, but in that case, your motive would not be to commit murder but to defend your family. It is the same for those who fight in a war. A person should never enlist in the military if their motive is to go out and kill people. That is what I told my son right before he went into the Marine Corp. I myself am also a 22-year military veteran. If that is their motive, then in their heart that would be considered murder. We see many places in the Old Testament where God sent armies of one nation to go in and wipe out another. God would not say thou shalt not kill and then turn around and command people to kill. You see, it's the motive of the heart. We are not to commit murder out from an evil heart and intent to do so. I hope this makes some sense.

Original sin is a Bible doctrine, not just Augustine.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Yet ALL does not mean ALL with one exception

Hebrews Chapter 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin. WITHOUT SIN Jesus

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Anthony, Good question. We are not to murder, we are allowed to protect our family. I mean really when someone breaks into the house to rape your daughter and murder the family are going to say GOD BLESS YOU?



Exodus 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

If a thief (you do not know why he is there, maybe to kill) is struck and killed you are guiltless.

Jesus in Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Why did Jesus tell his disciples to buy a sword? Not to murder, rather to protect themselves and family.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any PROVIDE provide NOT not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. (provide what? Food, shelter, clothing and PROTECTION)

So in summary, there was only 3 1/2 years left after Jesus died in the 490 year timeline. Question is, was it fulfilled in

1. Stephens' death (there is no way to prove historically or Biblically that Stephen was killed an exact 3 1/2 years after Jesus. But I am open to this idea.

2. This is my take. The Great Revolt War that lasted 3 1/2 years from the fall of 66 AD to the spring of 70 AD; the Stay of Execution extra 40 years. 40 means trials and temptations in the Bible. even the demonic Jooish Talmud admits to the scarlet wool never turning white again from 40 years before the destruction of Jerusalam in Yoma 39b. This was a supernatural sign that God did after the Day of atonement. It never happened again after Jesus' death. This proves the abominationS in Daniel 9:27 has to be what the killing of animals again, not what ONE man way in the future was going to do. Even building a third temple is an abomination. See what God did to this attempt in 363 AD. I fear so many Christians are heading for major judgment for sending money to have this done.

3. A way in the future 3 1/2 years. The new testament does talk about a 3 1/2 year period of tribulation in the future. Question is, is it a totally different 3 1/2 years than the 3 1/2 years that was left after Jesus' death?

I hold to #2 as it fits perfectly with Daniel 9:24-27. I hold to a 40 year gap from 486 1/2 years to the 490 years because the passage not only talks about the death of the Messiah but also the destruction of Jerusalem so it keeps with the context of the passage.

Great Tribulation coming upon the whole church will be 3 1/2 years as far as the persecution upon the entire church goes as many int he world have been under great tribulation since day one of being saved. Then God's wrath will be poured out with the plagues. Then Jesus the Son's wrath will be poured out at His return right after we are taking up.

How I see it.

PART 2:

c. All the things Jesus said in Matthew 20 thru 24 1/2 were fulfilled.

d. almost every single pre-1830 commentary I have read said this 'he' was Jesus or in John Gill's case, the Roman Army but Gill is off because they would have used the word 'they' (plural) instead of 'he' (singular) if it was more than one person. No references I could find up to date that teaches this 'he' is a future antichrist. It doesn't even make sense unless all grammar is thrown out. Check out what an antecedent is in grammar.

e. to turn abominationS (plural) in verse 27 into abomination (singular) is messing with God's Word. So what did the hierarchy of the religious leaders do after Jesus was crucified? they began animal sacrifice again thus mocking Jesus' death. This is the worst kind of abomination one can do, much worse than killing a pig on the altar as Antiochus Epiphanes did in 160 BC.

So in summary, there was only 3 1/2 years left after Jesus died in the 490 year timeline. Question is, was it fulfilled in

1. Stephens' death (there is no way to prove historically or Biblically that Stephen was killed an exact 3 1/2 years after Jesus. But I am open to this idea.

2. This is my take. The Great Revolt War that lasted 3 1/2 years from the fall of 66 AD to the spring of 70 AD; the Stay of Execution extra 40 years. 40 means trials and temptations in the Bible. even the demonic Jooish Talmud admits to the scarlet wool never turning white again from 40 years before the destruction of Jerusalam in Yoma 39b. This was a supernatural sign that God did after the Day of atonement. It never happened again after Jesus' death. This proves the abominationS in Daniel 9:27 has to be what the killing of animals again, not what ONE man way in the future was going to do. Even building a third temple is an abomination. See what God did to this attempt in 363 AD. I fear so many Christians are heading for major judgment for sending money to have this done.

3. see next post.

These miracles done by our Lord are recorded in part to encourage us when we face some hardship. When my baby sister died, my parents suffered greatly. Many years later, my next younger sister died. We suffered but in all we found God's grace to be more than sufficient. The unsaved look on to see how we handle hardship. If we grow in our faith in the midst of these trials, the unsaved will have an improved outlook on what the Christian life is all about.

replying to your comment brother:

2. Re: Daniel 9:26,27. I think I'm reading correctly from your comment that it is Jesus that is seen in this passage. We see the Messiah cut off (v26) & then "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city". Are you seeing Jesus here as well? Then who are the "people of Jesus (the prince)" that shall come to destroy? You said that "this has nothing to do with a future anti-Christ". And if v27 refers to Jesus, doesn't this aspect of 'confirming the covenant' resemble anti-Christ's plan to go against Israel & introduce his own abominations to desecrate the Temple?

1. Daniel 9:26) the people of the prince to come = General Titus of the Roman army. Titus historically became a prince over night when his father Vespasian was called back to Rome by the Roman Senate to become the new king (Caesar) and he was left in charge of the 66 AD to 70 AD siege of Jerusalem. This prince was not Jesus. Why did Daniel interject this prince into the passage? If it had not, all the things Jesus said in Matthew chapters 20, 21, 22 and 23 would not make much sense. I call the time period between Jesus' crucifixion and the destruction of Jerusalem (40 years) and extended time of the 490 year timeline and call it a Stay of Execution where God was giving those who rejected Jesus as the Messiah another chance with a total of 530 years from the beginning of the timeline.

2. If you read verse 26's AFTER, you find that the 'he' in verse 27 is talking about the Prince with a capital P. and thta Jesus died in the middle of the 70th week.

a. the first 49 years (7 weeks) were already fulfilled and then the next 434 years (62 weeks) so we are already into the 70th week without Messiah being cut off yet. So this 'he' has to be the Messiah.

b. Jesus made an end of the animal sacrifices proving further he was the 'he'.

It's not a narrative, but literally what the Bible says is what most Christians believe. Romans 5:12, 1 John 1:8-10, Romans 3:23, Romans 7:18.

Why do you assume Christians have a narrative? Do you believe the Bible?

There are two sets of Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:1-17 and Exodus 34:10-28.

TWICE Moses went upon the mountain and did not eat or drink for 40 days!

The 10 Commandments of Exodus 34:10-28 are specifically referred to as "the ten commandments" ( Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, 10:4)

There are differences in the two sets of Commandments. Which set are we to follow? Are we to combine them?

What is the significance of four hundred in the bible?

Question came up yesterday in sunday school and was asked about the bible saying thou shalt not kill. How does that go with a person defending their family and have to kill someone to protect them and also going to defend our country in war?

Original Sin... Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. This means that they are born with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God.

Hasn't the West not changed the Christian narrative?

can people in heaven see us

Very true. We must continue along this path of faith with fruits of the spirit until we stand before the judgement seat.

Robert, your comment appeared in a new thread, so wasn't able to reference the original. Anyway, I'll try to comment at face value at what you've written here.

1. I believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture, believing that God's Wrath upon the Earth is directed solely to those deserving it (those living in wickedness & rejecting Christ). If (true) believers are also subject to that Wrath, then one has to wonder why we have to be judged for our sins again. I know we suffer tribulation throughout our earthly lives (as even Jesus warned), but we are dealing with a special occasion of God's Anger upon all godless.

2. Re: Dan 9:26,27. I think I'm reading correctly from your comment that it is Jesus that is seen in this passage. We see the Messiah cut off (v26) & then "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city". Are you seeing Jesus here as well? Then who are the "people of Jesus (the prince)" that shall come to destroy? You said that "this has nothing to do with a future anti-Christ". And if v27 refers to Jesus, doesn't this aspect of 'confirming the covenant' resemble anti-Christ's plan to go against Israel & introduce his own abominations to desecrate the Temple?

3. I understand your typology of Egypt & Israelites living there in spite of the plagues. However, is this a correct analogy? In the case of Egypt, they indeed suffered with the various plagues, but they continued on as a nation, except for the loss of some life & death of their first born children & animals. It was indeed God's Wrath but Pharaoh finally relented. The picture of the loss of life & destruction of the land bears little resemblance to what the Great Tribulation will accomplish in the future. I liken it to resembling the full devastation of the Flood or of Sodom & Gomorrah where all life was annihilated except for those righteous ones.

I just want to mention that a sizable earthquake happened Saturday night right after President Trump left the campaign stage in Tulsa. People in the city reported feeling it. You can Google that.

I lived there 3 years. I think a lot of Christians went to church prayerful today?

It was wrong for rioters to hang out and act like traitors and thugs at a campaign speech. I'm sure cameras were rolling during the 4.2 quake. Wonder if national news reported it ?

Read the signs of the times. The Spirit of Antichrist Is all over this election. Too much chaos going on; and we know who the origin of Chaos is... need I say his name?

Recent large quakes around Salt Lake, Utah, Idaho, Montana :/