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Juan,

The apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:1 says be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. The word follower in this verse is the word MIMETAI which means to imitate. It is where we get our English word mime from.

That's the word that Paul's using. The English says followers but it is the word mime, which means to imitate. The word follower doesn't mean to copy. What Paul is saying is, as you see the expression of Christ in my life, let that be the expression of Christ in your life.

If you love Jesus, obey His commandments. John 14:15 If you don't obey His commandments then you don't love Jesus. If you don't love and follow Jesus you won't be with Him in heaven for eternity. It's pretty simple. You were given the freewill to choose and many will not chose the narrow path, but will believe satan's deception that it's ok to do evil, that you don't need to try or make effort to do anything good, etc. Matthew 7:22-23

This is for chris:I didn,t comment on tithing being anywhere in Ephesians.That,s number one.number two what I said is scripture.You don,t have to add anything else to it.GOD Bless you and keep the faith.Faith is from GOD.And like I said;by faith of Abraham,Law given through Moses and by grace we have been saved through faith.The promise was given to Abraham before the Law was given through Moses .GOD would never go back on His promise to the Father of many nations through His SEED, JESUS CHRIST.SEED not seeds.By the Law no one will be saved:Scripture alone;Christ alone;Grace alone;Faith alone;Glory of GOD alone.GOD Bess.

Vicki, I agree with you on Mt 24:36 that it applies to the time of our Lord's second coming after the days of Tribulation. The term Rapture = to snatch away, is a new teaching that was unknown in the OT & in pre-Church times. There is of course some allusion to it by the Lord ( Lk 2:34-37), but I think that He is still essentially talking about His second coming to Earth, rather than in the Air to take away His saints. Then Peter reminds us (2 Pet:2-14) that in reference to the second coming (to Earth), there will be scoffers who ask, "where is the promise of His coming..all things continue as from the beginning of creation". We see that now & also easy for Christians to fall into that frame of mind: why does Jesus take so long to come?; the early Church waited expectantly & no Jesus; is His Promise to us a lie?, are some of the doubts that creep in. But we stand on God's Word & upon the Character of the Godhead, that it is no lie, & His Promise will be fulfilled according to His Plan.

A disciple is somebody who follows the teaching or doctrine of someone else. I am not sure where you are going with this, but these questions are thought provoking. I'm going to put Christ into the equation first before I answer.

First, can a person be a believer and not a disciple?

I would say yes. A person can believe in Christ, go to church, believe the bible to be true, believe that Jesus died for them, but not have any desire to study God's word, or be led by His Spirit in order that they might grow in Christ. That person believes, but is not a disciple.

Your second question, can a person be a disciple and not a believer?

Again, if I put Christ into the equation, I would say no. A person who is following Christ, submitting to the persuasion of His Spirit taking His word and ministering it to their heart and mind, that person is not only a disciple, but a true believer.

I have one for you. Can a person who says they believe in God also be an atheist?

First of all I'm just an aging street preacher. Your account of events makes me think of the Book of Job. He had everything taken away. His wife told him to curse God and die. Job held on despite everything people said to him. In the end , he got back everything he lost and more. He had a deeper knowledge of God too. All those friends got in trouble for what they said to Job.

The best church that I went to as a baby Christian was a storefront church. I had deliverance issues and those were prayed for respectfully so as not to scare me. I thought "spirits" were demonic and it was a while before I received the Holy Spirit; which started a lifetime of deep love and respect.

I think you should commit your actions to Jesus to set right. Don't be Christians that go to law with each other in front of unbelievers. Trust in the Lord...He will set your path straight.

The fields are white unto the harvest. Pray faithfully to the Lord of the Harvest. Bring the newborns to your church.

The Bible doesn't keep genealogical records of female children or wives

Unless they are in the bloodline of Jesus:

The Son of Man.

Neil Jesus said let the dead bury the dead and the judge that awarded that to the heretics, well he has a place reserved for him / her also.

Deason, I agree that a Christian is someone who has been born again of God's Spirit, or Holy Ghost, and believing the gospel is also important. But wouldn't you agree that belief in itself is not enough to save a person, that they have to receive Christ in order to be saved? James 2:19 says that even the demons believe. But their belief does not save them.

I am not trying to discredit anything you are saying, and I agree with everything you said for the most part. I just didn't see any mention about receiving Christ. You are spot on about eternal life, and about people who claim to be Christians but have never been born again. I think you just described the people Adam is referring to in his post, the ones who claim to be followers, but then later denounce the whole thing. I don't think those people were ever saved to begin with. 1 John 2:19 describes the people Adam is referring to. Those people were never saved, even though they were "followers," proving John's point!

The tithing issue can easily be addressed.

2 Corinthians 9:7

Give it cheerfully. Not grudgingly. Not of necessity.

God doesn't need your money. He just wants to know if we trust Him.

Usa will de destroyed

Deason K. ( James 2:26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Read James 2:19-24..I am not trying to work my way to heaven, by my faith I will have good works, faith and works go hand in hand, if you have one without the other than it is not complete..That's why Matthew 7:20 says By their fruits ye shall know them. May God bless you.

Hi Nick. Glad you're here today. Peace be with you

The confusion? .......and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. Please explain.

Valerie: first you need to find some scripture to support that thought.

CHARLES: you enjoy trying to engage people in strifes, debates, etc.

These are the character traits of Jesus:

Compassionate, servant, loving, forgiving,

Committed, prayerful, gentleness, patience, self-control, humble, creativity, efficiency, respect, deference, tolerant, integrity, confidence, obedience, meekness, virtue, honesty, consistency, merciful; just to name a few.

We're supposed to be learning about these traits and live some.

You have completely covered your feelings about women preachers/pastors.

Did you know if God can't get anyone to carry a message, that He'll use a donkey?

We're all going to be held accountable at the Bema seat of Jesus for every idle word we have spoken out of our mouth.

Angels record in a Book everything we say about Jesus

Let us lift up Jesus. Amen.

Louis DeRose: you're looking for Matthew 18:20.

When you come into this website, you can use the search box to pull up verses. I used it just now

Who did Cain & Abel marry?

Tracy,

Just one other thing I would like to share with you that I find fascinating is how the shepherds in Jerusalem would keep their sheep in a sheepfold at night to keep them safe from predators. There was only one sheepfold for all these sheep belonging to multiple shepherds, and only one door to this sheepfold. They put a guard at this door overnight to guard the sheep.

Every morning, the shepherds would come to get their sheep. The guard would not open the door unless he recognized the shepherd. Each shepherd, one by one, would call out to his sheep. And keep in mind that there are probably hundreds of sheep in this sheepfold. But only the ones who belonged to that particular shepherd would come out the door. The other sheep would not come out if they didn't recognize the voice of the one calling them.

I find it totally fascinating how this parallels with what Jesus says about His sheep!

A person who calls upon the Lord and surrenders their life to Christ, has their sins forgiven, past, present, and future. Paul gave instruction concerning apostasy in 1 Timothy 4:1-5. Paul expressed concern in Acts Chap. 20, for the church, that after he died, grievous wolves (false teachers) would enter in amongst the believers, not sparing the flock. He said men would arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Paul warns about apostasy, that false teachers would come into the church and deceive many, causing them to depart from the faith. So apostasy means to depart.

In 2 Thess. 2:3, Paul says let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, (Tribulation period), except there come a falling away first. The term falling away is the word apostasy. In John 10:4-5, Jesus says His sheep know His voice, and they follow Him, and will not follow the voice of a stranger (False teacher/false profit). Therefore, a true believer cannot commit apostasy

The translations that preceded the KJV of 1611 do not contain that part.

Chris...re Matt 24

Personal experience...I was in a Christian denomination, whose leaders went VERY liberal, so much so it caused our pastor and others to question their leadership. As a result, over 20 congregations in our country decided to break away from that leadership.Result..?Their liberal leadership sued my congregation,took us to court, and as a result we lost everything...our church building( we were forbidden to use our church building for services, we lost finances ie large donations that were given in trust from deceased members, we were without a place to worship for several years.

We met in a funeral home chapel for some time, TIL we shared another denominations building where we meet now.)

Does that liberal leadership claim Jesus as Messiah?yes one of their pastors claimed there was myth in the Bible, and that congregants should not be reading their bibles!Decide..were they deceiving their congregations? Were they leading them astray? We were not RC

can a person be a believer and not a disciple

can a person be a disciple and not a believer

Greetings Louis - Jesus said that almost 2,000 years ago about where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Most Bible scholars say Jesus died around 32-33 AD.

It depends. Where does that originate from? In Genesis the first book of the Bible it reads: 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 15:26 But when the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeded from the Father, he shall testify of me. Is this the Trinity you are referring to? The only (trinity) I can find in Gods written word.

a goldy Christian wife submits to her husband. She is supposed to be meek and quite, not a loud mouth, pushy woman, that is an embarassm,ent to her husband (especially in front of other people. A godly wife is not a thorn in his side. Proverbs 21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious (argumenative) and an angry woman.

Seek Jesus Christ and in doing so the Lord offers the PARDON FROM OUR SINS! This is the life saving way of Almighty Divine Creator. The gifts of mercy and grace are the greatest in all the world. The Father's love for us is so incredibly beautiful. O for the day when Corruption but's on Incorruption and Mortality will but on Inmortality. In the twinkling of an eye sin will never be thought of again and we will be holy as He is Holy. The Light of the Father's Glory is All in All that matters. The Lamb of God will be the object of our Worship into Eternity. Nothing else should matter in this earthbound life knowing that our future is the Great hope of the fallen sinner, in need of a Savior.

It was a great discussion, very appropriate, and you did a great job. Thank you and as i usually say; also great to discuss it with parents and if they agree, with the leader or minister or priest; and it is always good to learn things.

Have a great day.

peter

I don't accept that there are evolutionary processes going on. I do accept that animals will go anywhere looking for food and or better environmental conditions or die if they can not adapt; and adaptations do allow for changes in the habits and appearance of the animal but we classify that into different species. For example, we had no sewer rats before we had sewers; however; the rats found a new home there; and adapted (or evolved to become sewer rats); and so I guess you are right within species. The same thing also happens to other species; however, I don't think it happens between animals as all that look the same are in the same category; and apart from that, I think that they are just lined up from the smallest to the biggest and thus said to go from being small things to big things; but that is not evolution

no there were only three saint