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judas iscariot went to hell read your bible, jesus called him a devil yet he performed

many miracles preached the gospel, yet went to hell. acts 1-18, luke 6-16,john6-70

Hi Paul: let me ask you a question - Is Jesus Christ's Gospel and the Apostle Pauls Gospel the same?

Hi Bob: Thanks for clearing up the questions, I can see now what your asking, Before i can get into a discussion about the rapture before the tribulation, 1st let me ask you this question, Is God speaking to us Gentiles today in the Gospels Example is Jesus saying to us today in

Mark 16:15-20 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

It is all about perspective. You are looking at scripture as though all happened within the Universe we live in Today. The KJVInterpret looks at scripture from the beginning, everlasting first days; the second day, and third day, and considers these to be the places of origin. I can think of very few places in the KJVBible in which scripture may originate from this Universe. There is, "he made the stars also," in Genesis 1:16, and there is, "Beloved," in 2Peter 3:7,8, with the two, "thousand years'" referencing the six, "thousand years,'" in Revelation 20:2-7 having two tellings for the fifth day and the beginning of the six day in verse seven.

Before there could be life on the land or sky, Hydrogen and oxygen the WATER trinity for life has to be present. From the Vanity of this world to pollute the gift of life explains the diseases and Pandemics. Tis, natures wake up call to stop polluting the water with human and industrial waste

Her name was Anna

Not blaspheme

I can just tell you how I differentiate. Every single day of my life, I have to make choices. And at the end of each day, I have to ask myself "What was that all about?" You list several things here, and for each one of those things, we can ask ourselves if it is Christ leading us to do those things or not. There are many things we do in life on a daily basis that are not spiritual, but worldly. There are necessities in life. And I believe we are to use the things/necessities in this world. We're just not to overuse them. In other words, we're not to let the things of this world control us and cause us to lose focus of the race that is set before us. A few verses that come to mind would be Gal 5:16-25, Rom 8:9, Rom 8:12-14, Colossians 1:9-10, Psalm 42:1-2, 2 Cor 10:4.

Where did my understanding come from? I like to call the KJVBible, the Kenneth Jesus Victory Bible, my Holy Grail with

th "V" in th KJVB because of the great victory Christ Jesus led me to, in the King James Version. He did it through an amazing near-death experience, from a severe cerebral contusion; localized with my brainstem, in a motorcycle crash I had: Monday April 10th, 1972. This, combined with the miraculous recovery Jesus facilitated for me, from the ICU in the UT Hospital Knoxville, Tennessee 37920. I have been to where Jesus Christ is now, to that other place. Now that I have a good understanding of God's Word in the KJVBible; I am ready to tell my story.

I began this work in Proverbs 8:22 following Genesis 1:01, focusing on, "in the beginning of his way;" Monday morning, January 1st, 1990 and by Saturday, March 7, 2020; I had all that was needed for the hypothesis, but still needed to complete the work on the paper explaining it (in process).

I would disagree with your summation of the work. I think the perspective of the KJVInterpret is innovative, intelligent and learned. It is innovative in that using "grammar," as the media, offers a pathway having much to offer in terms of clarity, depth and correctness. It is intelligent in that intelligence must be used to imply the history of other dimensions with the grammatical features offered by Hebrew, Greek and English. And of course, it is learned meaning that one must be learn the linguistics in the letters of English, Greek and Hebrew. And, it is original, I have found nothing like it anywhere. So; go ahead, take it for a test drive and see if it does not meet up to your standards.

>we have to differentiate between spirit and flesh

Do you have a reliable way to differentiate and what Bible verse sources? In your view does everything you say or do in life have such a spirit / flesh separation? How do you know if driving a car, eating, taking a shower, watching news, typing comments on the computer is ever spiritual or flesh?

Hi Jessie, thanks for the comments. I still don't understand your views. It sounds like you said you believe a Christian has freewill, but it also seems that saying it's impossible for a Christian to commit blasphemy of the holy spirit or to purposefully commit evil or to deny Jesus. There's both empirical evidence of Christians doing that today and Christians in the Bible doing that so it seems like an unusual position to take that it's somehow impossible as if Christians, as if they no longer have freewill, despite the verses and evidence that they do. If the spirit 'wont allow' something that's not really freewill. Can you see how that would seem contradictory to someone? I can be tempted to sin and the holy spirit can convict me, but I can still choose to sin, same with who I worship, same with following Jesus.

If this were true, why did the Christians Peter and Judas both deny/betray Jesus? Why do we see Christian pastors and worship leaders periodically leave and denounce the faith? Even angels have freewill in heaven to sin, so doesn't it seem unusual to believe that Christians are somehow prevented from having freewill to commit certain sins when evidence shows otherwise?

The second thing that doesn't appear to make sense is the view a Christian is saved regardless. The Christian can become Hitler and commit mass murder, worship satan, and do whatever he wants and is still saved and goes to heaven, according to that view. - OR - you maybe you'd say 'that's unlikely' or 'impossible' that the spirit doesn't allow that. Then you would once again be claiming a Christian doesn't have freewill. These views don't seem to reconcile.

Have you prayed to God and asked Him to confirm if this is true?

I would say the, "ten strings," in PsalmsKJV, are singing right now.

Adam,

The reason why it can't be both is because God does not recognize or reward us for anything we do apart from His Spirit persuading us to do. In other words, we have to differentiate between spirit and flesh. Are we doing something because He's persuading us to do it, or are we doing it out of our own human effort and ambition? Romans 14:23 says "for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. If we understand that biblical faith is produced by God's Spirit, not us, and that faith literally means persuasion, then we can ask ourselves, am I doing this because God's Spirit in me is persuading me to do it (Faith), or am I doing it out of my own human ambition? One of these, God is not going to recognize!

I am reading Zephaniah 3:19 and trying to understand the verse in plain language.

Thanks

Google the Apostles Creed

Hello Adam,

I just finished answering your other question you asked me. You're giving me a workout today, and I do appreciate it. I always find a blessing in every discussion I have with other believers, whether I agree with them or not. I respect your view, I truly do. And I hope you would respect mine. You are correct in saying that Satan likes to deceive. But He still can't take us away from Christ. In order for him to do that, he would have to penetrate God's Spirit that lives in us, and it is impossible for him to do that. Greater is He that is in us, then he that is in the world. Do you know that there is (only one) weapon that Satan uses against a believer? Only one!

Thanks, and I understand that the mainstream view was that the seals were the beginning of the trib, however in this climate that we find ourselves in, being dogmatic seems dangerous. There are some pastors who believe the Seals are PRIOR to the GREAT tribulation... Seems very plausible.

Lauren: you have to believe without seeing. It's called Faith. In your heart you know there is something. Jesus lives. He's not dead. His life on earth was recorded. His death and resurrection was recorded.

Go on YouTube later and watch Christian salvation stories. See what other eyewitnesses say. Jesus says Blessed are they that believed without seeing. In faith say, God be merciful to me, a sinner. Jesus says. I stand at the door of your heart, knocking. If you open that door, He will come in.

Do I think there's no downside to Christians following the world of sin? ( Romans 12:2)

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

I think there's a tremendous downside. But scripture tells us that we are not of this world. Our citizenship is in heaven. Being transformed is an inward transformation, a permanent and complete change. And the change comes by the renewing of our mind. God is not impressed with our performance. He wants to change us and transform us here so that we can take it with us when we leave. God wants to transform me and change me from within. And it's permanent! I take it with me. But I am to take care how I build. Some build with wood, hay, and stubble, and some with gold, silver, and precious stones. And no, how I build does not determine my salvation. But what's not of Him, it will burn in the fire.

I hope I've answered all you've asked?

I love it! because I know the Lord, God, or Jehovah, for myself. I don't care what his name should be called. I love the Lord. He saved me from myself three years ago. I was a backslider, years and years had passed. I didn't have a will to get right, not even wanting to do right. I loved God as a young child. I gave my life to him when I was only 11 years of age. When I turned 14 years old, I went a stray. My own mother was not able to reach me. Just three years ago June 13, 2017 I took ill, I thought I was going to die. Then as I fell on my knees and started praying, I called out Lord help me. He did just that. It didn't matter what name I called him by. He saved me! and forgave me. Amen

Here are some of God's words to remember: Romans 9:8 - "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God:" IE: Race/blood does not matter to God, only our hearts. The book of Romans is great to hear for this purpose! John 8:24 - "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I(Jesus) AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS." Our blood/race is not a "get out of hell free card". There is no such thing.

Rod my question is

1. where exactly is plain scriptural proof in the Bible that shows the rapture of the church is before the tribulation period.

and

2. how do people get saved in the tribulation period if the dispensation of grace is closed as you mentioned

and the church is gone in the pre trib rapture?

Seriously I am looking for answers.

How do I feel about Luke 12:9? "But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God."

I've heard this twisted before and some will say that if you don't confess Christ publicly that you are denying Him. That is not what it says!

This is important to understand. The word "deny," ARNEOMAI, means to reject. The early church believers were put in a position where they either had to confess that Jesus is Lord or that Caesar is lord.

And by doing that, they would be denying that Jesus is Lord. So in order for this to be true, one of two things has to happen. You have to confess Jesus, or, you have to deny Him, reject Him!

Have you rejected Him? I haven't!

I will answer your last question on Romans 12:2 next.

ln this verse , who were the sons of men, since Adam and Eve were not yet created. Were the sons of men Angels or what?

Hi Jesse, to me the scripture is crystal clear. One of our views is right and one of our views is wrong. It's not both. One of them has lots of scriptural support, is consistent throughout the Bible, is logical and the other isn't. Satan likes to deceive and since you think my view is wrong, do you think it's likely that satan has gone out of his way to convince Christians to be more obedient than they need to be, to maybe love Jesus more than they need to, to love others more than necessary, or help others more than needed. So, satan's great deception is to trick Christians into being 'gooder' than they need to. - or - is the deception that satan wants you to not fear God, to not obey Jesus like we're commanded to, to not try, to spread this idea to others that they don't need to do anything, don't need to go to church, don't need to do anything good, that its ok to sin as much as you want, because only grace saves. Wonder in which of those two options satan is most likely to deceive.

Hi Jessie,

>I do not "try to be obedient" because that takes human effort. My flesh will never be in obedience to Christ, so why try? I am not obedient to Him because of any human effort on my part. I am obedient to Him because of what His Spirit is doing in my life. Do I choose to be obedient to Christ, or do I choose to be obedient to my flesh? There is a battle that takes place between my flesh and the Spirit of Christ who dwells in me.

I don't understand what you wrote there with human effort vs spirit. In any given choice you make or action you take in life I'm not sure which you assign to your human action or holy spirit. Why can't it be both? You agree Christians have freewill to choose good or evil, right? Is it not your own choice whether you sin or not? Do you claim 100% responsibility for your actions or do you assign it to a spirit? And how do you know which of the things you think, say, do, decide is human vs spirit?

How do I feel about John 14:15? "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Some of the Greek texts, instead of a command, it is the Future Tense. If you love me, YOU WILL keep my commandments. Isn't that interesting? Everything in our relationship with Jesus Christ is based on love. I already said this, but I'll say it again. We make decisions based on who and what we love the most. When I have to make a decision between two things, it's which one I prefer, like, or love. Sometimes we have to decide between studying the word, or going to some activity we really love. We will make decisions on who we love the most and what we love the most. Jesus says if you love me, and in the Greek text, it is a Third Class Condition yet fulfilled, meaning if you love me YOU WILL keep my commandments. Period! Jesus is not giving us a challenge to prove our love for Him. He's giving us a statement of fact, YOU WILL! The reason we don't obey Him is because we love something/someone else more. More to come!

Very true,

Nicene Creed part 1 The Apostles creed (I believe) is not in the Bible. The Vatican wants us to believe they were responsible for it.

The Greek churches as well as Rome hammered out the Creeds. Rome was but one of many in attendance

I have had Baptists (I went to a Baptist Bible College) tell me this is heresy.

Yet I can defend every line from the King James Bible that I trust.

Here is is the NICENE CREED:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

[ 1 Corinthians 8:6, James 2:19, John 1:1-3]

Nicene Creed part 2

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

[ 1 Corinthians 5:4, John 1:14, John 3:16, John 1:1-3]