Bible Discussion Replies PAGE 37

  • Giannis - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Lbooth

    Was Paul preaching a different gospel than the other apostles?

    1 Cor 15:1-11

    V1-2. 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    ...

    V8-9. 8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

    ...

    V11.Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

    If you read the whole paragraph carefully you will get an answer to your question.

    Finally James addresses his epistle to all those of the twelve tribes who have already believed in Christ, giving advices on how to live their christian lives properly. He is not addressing it to non-believers. If he did then there would be no need to include his epislte into the New Testament. Similarly Paul addresses his epistle to Hebrews to Hebrew believers, trying to make a connection between OT and NT. That was the main problem for the Jew born christians at that time who struggled to bridge Moses with Christ.

    Works or Grace? Works reveal a true faith. True faith means a "working" faith. That is a working christian life. Which produces works of faith. If those don't exist then that faith is considered as a dead faith. Because it doesn't save. Simply because it means that a person who believed and was saved by Christ is not willing to obey God's commandments and consequently he is unwilling to change (as an example see the parable of the Sower, 3rd case)

    Matthew 7:21, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven"

    GBU
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    GiGi,

    The King James Bible contains four Gospel books-Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But while those four books record Christ's earthly ministry, we must not confuse the written accounts with the distinct gospel messages revealed through Scripture. A "gospel" simply means good news, and God has revealed different good news at different times for different audiences.

    Christ and the twelve apostles preached the Gospel of the Kingdom ( Matt. 4:23; Matt. 9:35), the good news that Israel's promised kingdom was at hand. This gospel called Israel to repentance, baptism, and obedience, rooted in their covenants and prophetic hope. Peter continued this in early Acts ( Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19-21), offering Israel the kingdom if they would repent nationally.

    But with Israel's rejection, the risen Lord revealed through Paul a new gospel for a new dispensation: the Gospel of the Grace of God ( Acts 20:24; Rom. 2:16). This was not tied to Israel's covenants but to the finished cross-work of Christ. Paul's message was that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day ( 1 Cor. 15:1-4). Salvation was now apart from the Law and works, freely offered to Jew and Gentile alike, forming the Body of Christ.

    Looking forward, Revelation 14:6-7 speaks of the Everlasting Gospel during the Tribulation, a message calling all nations to fear God and worship Him before His wrath is poured out.

    So dispensationally, while the KJV Bible has four Gospel accounts as books, there are multiple gospels as messages: the Kingdom gospel for Israel, the Grace gospel for the Body of Christ, and the Everlasting gospel in prophecy. To mix these is to confuse God's distinct programs for Israel and the Church. Anyone who misses this simple division is overlooking the plain teaching of rightly dividing the Word of truth ( 2 Tim. 2:15).

    G&P
  • Jesse - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hello again, Meek and seek,

    First off, my apologies to you for misunderstanding your question. When I read the question, I had no idea that it had anything to do with the rapture or the teachings of the Plymouth Brethren Assembly. I have zero knowledge of this assembly or what they teach. One thing I do agree with you on is that if you are in any fellowship, regardless of where it is, and they are teaching things contrary to scripture, you are absolutely right to leave that fellowship.

    Lastly, I wish to thank you for sharing Galatians 3:26-29, although I am not sure how this passage applies to the original question asked? It is a great section of scripture that speaks about spiritual baptism.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 tells us that we've all been baptized by one Spirit into the body of Christ. It's another phrase for the Spirit of God coming into a person's life. It represents cleansing and identification.

    Galatians 3:28 tells us that we (those who have been born of God's Spirit) are all one in Christ Jesus. Isn't that great! We are all one in Christ Jesus, something we should all keep in mind whenever we have disagreements with one another.

    Blessings!
  • Azzan77 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Amen.

    1 John 2:27

    "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

    Blessings
  • Azzan77 - 8 months ago
    Greeting's

    Psalms 119:19 "I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me."

    Psalms 119:20 "My soul breaketh for the longing that it hath unto thy judgments at all times."

    Psalms 119:21 "Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments."

    Blessings
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 8 months ago
    The context is the great tribulation not yet happened. Matthew 24 is the future up until the coming of Jesus in glory when he comes in the clouds and every eye shall see him . Interesting the Angels said to the disciples when Jesus was taken up , he would return in like manner . That corresponds to his secound coming not a secret rapture , further proof of the false rapture doctrine and its dispensational narrative. In Mark 13 Jesus said he has foretold all events , again no secret rapture . The explanation the believers used what they called JN Darbys new doctrine was a fabrication and another gospel . The rapture undermines the coming of the Lord Jesus which is our hope , so I can see how some would think that , the Lord knows who are his in any situation . The oblivious error is if the Holy Spirit is removed how did any get saved after ? That would be impossible. And many do get saved during the tribulation, that's the good news countless numbers . A few thoughts . Thanks !
  • Lbooth1955 - 8 months ago
    Food for thought...

    Christ is omnipresent and not bound by the limits of time or space. When Jesus promised in Matthew 28:20, "lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world," He declared His constant presence with every believer, no matter where they are. David proclaimed in Psalm 139:7-10, "Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there." This eternal reality points us to Christ as God in the flesh ( 1 Timothy 3:16), unlimited in His power and presence.

    When Jesus walked the earth, His physical body was localized, but after His resurrection and glorification, He transcended all limitations. In John 14:18, He promised, "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." This is fulfilled through His Spirit indwelling each believer ( Colossians 1:27, Romans 8:9-10). At the same time, He intercedes at the right hand of God ( Hebrews 7:25), proving He can be present in heaven and in the hearts of His people simultaneously.

    Christ Himself said in Matthew 18:20, "where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Paul declared in Galatians 2:20, "Christ liveth in me." Yet John also saw Him walking among the seven churches ( Revelation 1:13). These passages show that Christ is not confined but active everywhere at once.

    This truth is a source of comfort: He hears the cry of the saint in a prison cell, strengthens the missionary across the seas, and walks beside you today. Truly, He is Emmanuel, "God with us" ( Matthew 1:23), never distant, never absent, always present to guide, comfort, and uphold His people.

    G&P
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    From a dispensational perspective, the Kingdom of God must be understood in its distinctions. Scripture uses "kingdom" to describe God's eternal rule, Israel's promised earthly Davidic kingdom, and the present spiritual sphere of God's authority. Jesus and the Twelve offered Israel the "gospel of the kingdom" ( Matt. 4:23; Acts 3:19-21), which required national repentance and water baptism as covenantal responses to their Messiah. That kingdom offer was rejected, and the earthly reign was postponed. God then revealed through Paul the "mystery" program, the calling out of the Church, the Body of Christ, with a heavenly hope ( Eph. 3:1-9).

    Repentance and baptism were necessary for Israel in view of the kingdom promises ( Acts 2:38; Mark 1:4). John preached "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand," because that was God's prophetic requirement for Israel's restoration. But Paul later made plain that salvation in this present dispensation is not through ritual or law, but solely through faith in Christ's finished work-His death, burial, and resurrection ( 1 Cor. 15:1-4; Eph. 2:8-9). He even said, "Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel" ( 1 Cor. 1:17). Repentance today is a change of mind toward God and faith in the cross, not a national covenantal turning with baptismal cleansing.

    As to the 1,000-year reign of Christ, dispensationalists maintain the Church will not remain on earth. The Body of Christ will be caught up at the rapture ( 1 Thess. 4:13-18), delivered from the coming wrath ( 1 Thess. 1:10). During the Millennium, Christ reigns from Jerusalem over Israel and the nations ( Zech. 14:9; Rev. 20:1-6), fulfilling the promises to Abraham and David. Meanwhile, the Church occupies its heavenly inheritance, seated with Christ in glory ( Eph. 2:6).

    G&P
  • Lbooth1955 - 8 months ago
    Dear Friends,

    Many today claim that John Nelson Darby in the 1800s was the originator of dispensationalism, yet the truth is much older. The Apostle Paul himself was the first to set forth the truths of dispensations. In Ephesians 3:2, Paul speaks directly of "the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward." He further declares that the mystery of Christ-hidden from ages and generations-was revealed to him ( Ephesians 3:3-9; Colossians 1:25-27). These are not man's inventions but divine revelations entrusted to Paul by the risen Lord.

    Darby may have revived and systematized these doctrines in his day, but Paul was the original steward. It was Paul who first divided prophecy from mystery, Israel's promises from the Body of Christ, law from grace. He wrote, "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things" ( 2 Timothy 2:7). Paul is the one who instructs us to rightly divide the Word of truth ( 2 Timothy 2:15). Long before Darby, Paul testified that God had committed to him the dispensation for this age and that he was made a pattern for those who would afterward believe ( 1 Timothy 1:16).

    We may appreciate men like Darby, Scofield, or others who helped organize and explain these truths for later generations, but they did not create them. They simply pointed back to the original apostle to the Gentiles. If one desires to see the first true dispensationalist, we need not look to the 19th century but rather to the pages of the New Testament. Paul stands as the chosen vessel through whom God revealed His program for this present age of grace. And if one chooses to disagree, let it be known that it is not Darby you resist but the very Word of God itself-and that responsibility rests on you.

    G&P
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Ommission:

    God is a Spirit so life from God shall carry on both fronts. Please read as

    "God is a Spirit so life from God Adam shall carry on both fronts"

    Thanks,
  • Benny Thomas - 8 months ago
    Annotated Gen.2.7-9 "Breath of life"

    God is a Spirit so life from God shall carry on both fronts. In him (Jesus Christ) was life. So when he raised Lazarus we shall understand life as understood by flesh and the spirit has different emphases. " He (Lazarus) had lain in the grave four days already." The Word was God and it was He who gave the Son to have life in himself. "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself."( Jn 5.26) He died once for all but the Word is Power of God. "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."( Acts 2.24). This Word made Jesus Christ as the word become flesh works by faith which is one, "And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power."(1 Cor.6.14);

    v.7. " and the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

    Coming back to the creation of Adam the breath of life has the power of God or the Word to be specific. so calling Adam entailed Eve and her seed of promise. Eve was as yet in Adam. The same power that raised up Lazarus works here. Breath of life made Adam as a double for hs Son. The same stewardship enshrined in the Covenant specified 'after our image and after our likeness' (1.28). A microcosm of this world is set in the soul of man and it is called the inner man. It has upper limit of the Spirit as well of the body, made of dust of the ground nevertheless sanctified by God.

    v.8 "And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."

    As the double for the Son who is a sign connects Adam and his world. To recap the word circular has Adam, the son of God.(Lk.3.38) The Word was God, the Word which was with God to which both Jesus and Adam are admissible. As steward His creation also is left under his care.

    The Spirit names Eden significance of which is same as the face on which God can interface with Man. The river is not seasonal rain.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hey Meek and seek,

    Another thought on Matthew 24, the warnings that Jesus gave about fleeing Judea, and praying that it was not on a Sabbath. Was this for the future, or were they for the time just before Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70, or both? Whether it would matter, back then, the gates of Jerusalem would be locked on a Sabbath. This discourse began with Jesus telling them about the temple's destruction. Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Just a thought.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Bennymkje - 8 months ago
    Annotated Gen.2.6-7

    v.6 " But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. "

    The earth abides forever because of the word circular.(Eccle.1.4). The Holy Spirit presented in Gen.1.1 the Father Son relationship we may put in as The Word was God (heaven) in terms of the earth, Word was with God. Waters above the firmament and waters below sustain this same relationship so rain and mist extend the meaning of the word which was with God. For this reason Job refers to his speech, " After my words they spake not again; and my speech dropped upon them./ And they waited for me as for the rain;"( Job 29.22-23) In NRSV it is 'and my word dropped upon them like dew.' Words of Jesus fell upon all as seasoned with grace; to those who tried to entangle him with words they gave up as lost. "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."(Mt.22.46)

    We shall find yet another similitude from this passage," Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?/ Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?" The father of all mercies drop rain. similarly angel's food as the hoary frost of heaven." The Word which was with God reconciles such similitude in the word become flesh. Before God made Adam a living soul the Word as the Law set up the volume and form of the kingdom of God.

    v.7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.God blessed them Adam in his Son. Before presenting the generations of Adam " and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created," also tell a great mystery: Eve was included as the mother of all living. (Gen.5.2) So inner man of every believer is a pledge the body 'that hast thou me prepared includes the glorious body of the Son that shall be revealed 'according to the good pleasure of his will'.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Meek and seek.

    Well said. I was struck by your statement, 'I prefer to read the Bible and let others have their own interpretations.' God wrote for our understanding and all that comes between, it is devil himself. He comes in form of false teachers and false brethren. Unless grace is given from above no man shall benefit from the book of life. Faith must be strong enough to the courage of our own understanding that is not seeking praise of man nor of promotion by agreeing to those who are in positions to reward. Balaam's reward was that he heard an ass bray, no thank you.

    My lord God spared not his Son for my salvation. To be called' well done, you faithful servant'in more precous than all the jackasses braying heresies over what they really do not understand.

    Joy and peace in Him,
  • Bennymkje - 8 months ago
    Annotated Gen.2.6

    "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

    This mist went up from the earth. From the context we have rain from above,"for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."These two are set in context of the man. Jesus Christ is what intended here."And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."(Col.1.17) Adam who is created 'after our image and after our likeness' is given a clear basis to this antecedents. He is a living soul because God did breathe in his nostrils instilling divine impulses. With regards to the body the Son could declare, "But a body hast thou me prepared.'(Heb.10.5) Adam was a double but he did not express what the Son understood as doing the will of his Father.On the other end he was formed of the dust of the ground which connected him to the Son who shall llay three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Be that as it may the same two faces of heaven and the earth were met in both. For this reason it serves as where the garden was laid out.God garnished the heavens by his breath and also the depths. "Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?"( Job 38.28)

    In this connection we have angel's food which fedt the people in the wilderness.Wilderness is a synonym for fallen nature of man. God not only clothed Adam and Eve with coats of skins, he fed them. His mercy is a divine facet of holiness. Israelites could not appreciate it because they were reprobate concerning faith, "And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. "(Exod.16.14-15)
  • Carleton - 8 months ago
    Christian greetings! My thoughts on Moses striking the rock the second time with the water becoming bitter reminds me of this verse:

    "And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." Revelation 8:11 KJV



    The children of God with weak faith and yet thirsty were given more bitter waters mixed with the hope of a Messiah (the first strike of the rock). I believe Jesus from heaven in this verse is telling of another time while looking back towards the Cross of another period of weakness and darkness that fell as a bitter star from above to poison the faith of many claiming many vessels.

    Regarding history, Constantinople a great city fell in darkness and the Roman Church was shaken to the core. The hunger for light became a movement and a written Bible and a spring of blossoms.

    I do see God leading his children to and through these times so that many might be saved on the last day.
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Jesse your response is something I have heard before , I went many years ago to a Plymouth brethren assembly, some even had Darby Bible translations . But as I read the Bible my self the Lord revealed to me the truth of Scripture. The first error I was convinced of was the pre trib rapture. Then the dispensational errors of the church, and Israel etc. There is so much in the Bible that disproves these doctrines that started in England among the Plymouth brethren, but the Plymouth brethren started out pretty good , but was divided by JN Darby and his followers. 1800 s . Today it's hard to tell the two sides apart . Here is a passage of scripture Galatians 3 v 26 - 29 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ . There is neither Jew nor Greek , there is neither bond or free , there is neither male or female : for ye are all one in Christ . And if ye are Christs then ye are Abraham s seed and heirs according to the promise . There are many other scripture as well . Notice acts 2v47 the Jews are the early church .
  • GiGi - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hello, Lbooth,

    Thank you for your reply to me. I disagree with your premises about there being two gospels preached in the first century. Therefore we will just have to leave it at that for now.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hello Meek and seek,

    (Part 1):

    If you don't mind, I would like to share my answer to your question. First thing to consider is that when reading through Matthew (including Chapter 24), we must keep in mind that Matthew's gospel was written to the Hebrew (Jewish) people. It was written to present Jesus as the Savior Messiah.

    You ask what did Jesus mean in Matthew 24:20, and again, Jesus is speaking to Jewish people when He says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:" We know this from Matthew 24:16 where Jesus says," Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" So, these are Jews.

    The Greek word for flight (PHUGE) in Verse 20 means to escape or flee, and it is a word that describes urgency. It means to flee immediately. It's an urgent evacuation for the Jews that will follow "the abomination of desolation."

    Jesus tells them that when the abomination of desolation sets up in their temple, He tells them to flee immediately into the mountains. But in Verse 20, He tells them to pray that their flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. So, if I'm a Jewish person, what am I to do? Jesus tells me to flee, but if it is in the winter or the sabbath, what do I do?
  • Jesse - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Meek and seek,

    (Part 2):

    Here's the reason, at least from my understanding. First, if they are told to flee because it is urgent for them to escape, why should it matter what season of the year it is? Well, winter can be very severe in Jerusalem. It even snows. Now it makes more sense as to why they (the Jewish people) would be told to pray that this would come under less extreme weather.

    But then Jesus tells them to pray that they will not have to flee on the sabbath day. What a dilemma, huh? If it were me during this time, I am out of there no matter what day it is or what the weather is like. I'm fleeing! But here's the thing. Jesus is speaking to Jews. Orthodox Jews to this day still strictly adhere to keeping the sabbath rules and laws.

    So, right in the middle of the tribulation period when the event given in Matthew 24:15 takes place, there's no time for the Jews to gather any of their belonging before fleeing. It will be that urgent for them because they will be slaughtered unless they flee. But if it is on the sabbath day, they can only go 1,000 yards before they have to stop. Now they're just "sitting ducks" waiting to be slaughtered, because by their law, they have to keep the Sabbath. They will never make it to safety (the mountains) if they have to flee on the Sabbath.

    Hope this helps!
  • GiGi - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Lbooth

    I do not think it is necessary for one to apply dispensational ideas to Scripture to be able to properly and accurately understand the Gospel taught by Jesus to the apostles, including Paul. He is the source of truth for all of us, Jew or Gentile. The church from the first century on has understood , taught, defended, and expounded on the one true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    In stating that one needs to apply dispensational tenets in order to rightly know the Gospel is to say that no one before Darby, Scofield, et al knew the Gospel truly. That is a false idea and blatantly so. Even I as a very young child knew and understood the Gospel and believed in my Lord without any help from dispensationalism as have millions and millions of other believers over the ages. Darby taught that his little group of Plymouth Brethren believers were the sole true church and those in any other church were in false churches. This belief of Darby is quite concerning as it led to the Brethren movement he led becoming Exclusive, not recognizing any other believers as being true believers or teaching the truth of Scriptures. Such beliefs and behaviors by a leader are signs of a cult and any Christian should be wary of becoming involved in any sect that operates this way.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Lbooth1955.

    I believe during Jesus ministry he preached the kingdom Gospel to the lost sheep of Israel.

    I also believe the kingdom message has been suspended until the Jews call upon the Lord during the Great Tribulation.

    I believe this is shown in " Hosea 5:15" I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

    Also Jesus quotes Psalms 118:26 in Luke 13:35.

    Listen to King David beginning from verse 22 to get the context. The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

    This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

    This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

    Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

    Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD. Psalms 118:22-26

    In Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus commissions the Apostles to go reach all nations though their primary mission was to the Jews and Paul's was to the Gentiles.

    I believe this was to bring all under the ministry of the cross for salvation apart from the kingdom message until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    When I read Galatians 2:9-19 it seems that Paul expects Peter and the other Jews to walk according to the Gospel of grace rather than mixing laws of the Kingdom message and the liberty of the New covenant.

    Grace was preached in rituals in the OT and played out in the NT.

    Grace never changed throughout the Dispensations.

    However the mystery and revelation began to unfold and faith being displayed differently.

    "Faith looking foward and Faith looking back as revelation was being revealed.

    There's still eye opening for Israel yet to come!

    This eye opening will bring in the Davidic Kingdom.

    Promises will be fulfilled!

    Blessings.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Good Evening LBooth once again.

    I do agree with you that Jesus indeed obeyed the Law perfectly, fulfilling all aspects of the covenant, and served his Father without wavering in any way from obeying Him fully with all of His mind, soul, spirit, body, and heart. He was perfect in every way!

    Yet you left out a very important aspect of this obedience Jesus completed in His earthly life. That is that because of this perfect obedience in EVERY way to the Law and to EVERYTHING that the Father told Him to do, His righteousness is given to us who have been washed by His sacrifice, blood, and expiation for all of our sin. In place of our sin, He inputes His righteousness upon us thus justifying us before the Father and bestows on us eternal life on account of our sin being removed by Him and His righteousness becoming ours when we come to Him in faith.

    I do not think that Jesus' obedience is only for Israel. He fulfilled ALL righteousness for all He saves! Therefore, He is not only the Messiah/Savior of Israel, but also for all who are not genetically descended from Abraham through faith by God's grace, the same as for Israelites and Gentiles. God does not have one way of becoming saved for Israel and another for Gentiles. There is only one way to be reconciled to the Father and made righteous before Him and that way in in Jesus when both Israelites and Gentiles believe the ONE Gospel of Jesus given for humanity through which any can receive salvation by grace through faith.

    This is how I understand what was taught by ALL of the disciples and apostles because Jesus taught the same gospel message to both His 12 apostles and disciples after His resurrection and the Paul when Jesus' appeared to him after His ascension. I agree with what Ronald is saying in his post that referred to the many verses that state that he taught the gospel of the Kingdom of God which was always a gospel of grace received by faith.
  • Azzan77 - 8 months ago
    Greeting's

    Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

    Matthew 7:19 "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

    Romans 2:13 "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

    John 5:29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

    Blessings
  • Azzan77 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Proverbs 3:7

    "Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil."

    Blessings
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hey Lbooth1955,

    In my last reply, which you made a reply to all, I mentioned one verse that Paul taught about the kingdom of God. We also see in Acts 19:8, Acts 20:25, Acts 28:23, Romans 14:17, 1 Corinthians 4:20, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:21, and Ephesians 5:5. I could list more.

    As I mentioned earlier, I am not familiar with dispensationalism, a concept that didn't emerge until the 19th century. I also believe that the idea of the rapture of the Church isn't supported by Scripture. If you don't mind, what is the dispensationalist understanding of the kingdom of God? Is there no need for repentance and baptism? Will the Church be in heaven during the 1000 years?

    I am only trying to understand.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 8 months ago
    I prefer to read the Bible and let others have their own interpretations. It's not hard if the truth is sought . I love reading the scriptures consistently! It's men that invent their own doctrine, that's why we have 100s of denominations that can't agree . Apostle Paul told the Corinthians to agree on all things . It's a small crowd I'm sure . The word is plain to read . And I love it !
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    In Matthew 5:17 Jesus declared, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." From a dispensational view this statement is vital. Christ, in His earthly ministry, ministered to Israel under the Law ( Gal. 4:4). His purpose was not to abolish the covenant given through Moses, but to complete it by perfectly keeping its righteous demands and fulfilling its types, shadows, and prophecies. The Law pointed forward to Him as the true sacrifice, the promised Messiah, and the One who alone could bring righteousness.

    Yet, while Christ fulfilled the Law, this does not mean the believer in this present dispensation is under the Law. Paul makes clear: "For ye are not under the law, but under grace" ( Rom. 6:14). The cross was the great turning point. By His death, the handwriting of ordinances was taken out of the way ( Col. 2:14). Christ's fulfillment brought the Law to its intended end, so that righteousness is no longer sought through works of the Law, but by faith in His finished work.

    For Israel, the Law remains tied to their covenantal relationship and will play a role in their future kingdom restoration ( Jer. 31:31). But for the Body of Christ today, the Law is fulfilled in Christ and we are placed into Him, accepted in the Beloved apart from Mosaic ordinances. Romans 10:4 sums it up: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Thus Jesus fulfilled the Law in His earthly mission, and Paul reveals the dispensational truth that we now stand complete in Him, under grace, not Law.

    Grace and Peace
  • T-rex - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Isaiah 1:13 - a day like Sabbath intended to honor God was made an iniquity and offensive. Someone's heart, motive, and conduct seems integral in honoring God, not merely in the ritual itself.

    Mark 2:27 The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

    Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath. Legalistic people accused him of wrongdoing. If Jesus was here today and you didn't know it, would some legalistic Christians shame and accuse Him of breaking the law and try to kill Him (again)?
  • Bennymkje - 8 months ago
    Annotated Gen.2.4

    "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

    The day mentioned here is from the POV of the Son. The seven days of the Covenant creates generation and generations like the shockwaves triggered by the majesty of the voice of the Lord. The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters in 1.2 is annotated in this passage, 'The voice of the Lord is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the Lord is upon many waters/ The voice of the Lord is powerful; the voice of the Lord is full of majesty."(Ps.29.3-4) He makes the hidden depths of the forests reveal itself..As for the floods he has set his throne over them.

    " The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein./For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods."(24.1-2)

    v.5. "for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."Blessings of God like rain pour from greater to the lesser. God sanctifies the firmament."And God called the firmament Heaven."1.8-9). God set his Son as the mediator between Heaven which signifies the divine Will. In the word circular it is the Word was God.The waters below is sanctified by the Word so the Word was with God is set as the sign. The Earth or dyr Land and seas are made to appear which in the Word circular are generations of the earth. 'There was not a man to till the ground is set as the double for his Son. God sanctifies him by making him a living soul. The principle of Association begins with the decree. "Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." So generation of Adam begins with Adam so named by God,' In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; (5,1). Sin may have expelled Adam from heavenly places but a holy family God brings from generations of Adam. The rain now is indicative of His mercy.


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