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What do verses 4 and 5 mean? One says not to answer a fool and the next verse says too.

Yea Ron,

Daniel 9:27

King James Version

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I have received that this is speaking of the covenant Jesus Christ made and confirmed. After his 3.5 yr ministry, Jesus was killed and the veil was rent: causing the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and the Jews havent had a temple since, nor will they until the consummation (of the marriage of the bride) and that which is determined (the wrath of God) will be poured upon the desolate (the ungodly).

So yea, the great tribulation/time of Jacob's trouble will be 3.5 yrs (a time, times, and half a time or 1260 days- as referenced elsewhere in the book of The Revelation). As to the time of the catching up, we can see from Scripture that the Man of sin/son of perdition must be revealed first, as to when in the tribulation I believe is just speculation.

John 5:39

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Be well

Well praise the Lord if you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ!

That's the first half of being born of water & Spirit Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 necessary to enter into the kingdom.

As to Christ being the Word, that is a lie from the pit of hell to get people to believe in a "pre-incarnate Christ" and a "trinity" (words not found in the Holy Scriptures), so that they don't know the Son of God, and He will tell them, "depart from me I never knew you" as you referenced in Matthew 7.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Amen. How did God create everything? By His word. It doesn't say "and the word was Christ."

And the word was made flesh ( John 1:14).

God was manifest in the flesh ( 1 Tim 3:16)

Amen.

When was God manifest in the flesh?

Luke 3:22

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Amen.

When the Holy Spirit (God) descended upon and began to dwell in His Son, God was manifest in the flesh, and then Jesus began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.

Which brings us to the root of our conversation. Murmuring or babbling (i.e. sha la la ba ba like you can hear in some "pentecostal/apostolic" churches) is not evidence of having received the Holy Ghost. However, as I said; the fake tongues do not invalidate the real thing. The Book of Acts shows forth that anytime someone received the Holy Ghost they spoke in another tongue (be it of men or angels). If you can show me, from the scriptures, an instance that someone received the Holy Ghost by "feeling peace" then I will gladly stand corrected, but I have not found any such scripture. I wouldn't trust a "personal experience" over what the word of God says.

Isaiah 55:1

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Why does God say fear him ( Deuteronomy 6:24)

If he didn't give us a spirit of fear? ( 2 Timothy 1-7)

Hi Liz. Rather than just looking at the 7 year period of Daniel's 70 weeks, study and find out the meaning and purpose of why God set the 70 years. It has to do with the "Sabbaths" which Israel were to keep. but look further and then the understanding of the 70 years, as well as the 7 years will be clearer. You will need to look back into the OT Law. Concerning pre - mid and post tribulation, oftentimes the reason for the confusion is a too narrow view, or a view in the wrong direction that leads people astray.

Of Mahli came Eleazar, who had no sons. The how does Eleazar have 16 men of the sons of Eleazar, who were capable of leading.

Hi Liz, I agree with what Richard in Christ said, trusting in the Lord and keeping our faith and Matthew 24:29-31.. The rapture theory pre, mid, or post is based on taking the last week from the 70th-week prophecy given to Daniel in Daniel 9: 27. This is the only scripture that will give you 7 years.

You may ask. How long will the tribulation period last? Is it three and one-half years? Is it seven years? To answer your question I would suggest you study Daniel's 70-week prophecy and if you find what I have found if the 70-week prophecy has been fulfilled it will answer your question. Without the last week, the 7-year rapture theory is false and the pre, mid, or post is irrelevant.

The 70th-week prophecy Daniel 24-27 is Determined on Israel and Jerusalem/The Holy City. This prophecy tells the year the Messiah/Jesus Christ will come the first time, the baptizing by John. They rejected Him. This prophecy also tells when Jesus was crucified.

The seven-year rapture theory is taken from vs 27 and it is said he in this verse is the antichrist and he makes a covenant with Israel and in the middle of this last week, he breaks the covenant, and the great tribulation starts, (short version).



One clue, it was 69 weeks when Jesus came and He was crucified 3 years later, that puts it in the middle of that last week, the 70th week. So who is he? There is also one who we know and scripture backs up, made a covenant. Study to find and be confident in your own heart.

May God bless your study, Ron

Why you still stuck......REVELATION......where are you going

Liz, May the Spirit grace you with His wisdom and His understanding.

Acts 14:22 .....that we through MUCH TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of God.

It's been 2000 years since Christ preached the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ( Mark 1:14) under the theory of the seven year tribulation (still waiting) no one would have entered in the kingdom of God.

Revelation 1:9 I John, whom also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION, and in THE KINGDOM...

It appears that John believed he was living during the time of TRIBULATION.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Jeremiah 4:13-14 Behold, He shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.

O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?

Hello Liz,

As the "Rapture" is not something I get into much as I'm sure you know there seems to be three beliefs, pre/mid/post, of when this will occur in relation of the tribulation in the end. The one verse I see that proves some of Gods children or chosen ones shall be here after the tribulation is stated in Matthew 24:29-31.

I would say just trust in the Lord, keep your faith, no matter what shall come about in this world. Amen.

God Bless.

Hi Tony,

Can you explain your argument for keeping or not keeping the sabbath in the verse you presented,

" Hebrews 8 vs 6"

John 3:13: This chapter finds Jesus talking with Nicodemus about heavenly/spiritual things, which sadly, Nicodemus was ignorant of. He asks in verse 9, "How can these things be?", or in other words, 'Jesus, you're telling me strange things which I find impossible to accept & believe in'. So Jesus goes on to tell him that it's not only heavenly things but also earthly things that he doesn't understand. Then verse 13 refers to Jesus being the only one that is qualified to bring 'that heavenly light' to people as He was the one to come down from Heaven. And none else filled this position or was qualified, as not even Elijah or Enoch or even the OT saints have gone into Heaven & come back to Earth to reveal such Divine insights.

Psalm 2:7: This is one of many Messianic Psalms which have a reference to the coming Messiah (see also Psalms 8, 16, 22, 34, 35, 40, etc.). David would not have had full knowledge of what God had put on his heart to write, except that God did have a plan, that through David there would be in the future an everlasting kingdom ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13). Whether David felt there was some reference to him in Psalm 2:7, is not known, but he knew ultimately that these words did not apply only to Him but to Another, as we read the whole Psalm. Even the NT writers referred to it: Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5, indicating that they too saw Psalm 2:7 as ultimately referring to the Messiah. So, you're correct that it is God speaking to (or, inspiring) David to write the Psalm, but many Psalms & other OT writings are prophetical pointing to Jesus, as even Jesus Himself looked back at those prophecies that spoke of Him & urged others to do so ( John 5:39).

Hebrew 8:6 keeping the sabbath

Thank you for answering my one question.

No man has told me I have received the Holy Ghost. Just as no man shall ever persuade me that the Holy Ghost is not in me. I know because of what I have experienced. The Holy Bible is what God lead me to read which lead me to Jesus Christ. Most people in this world would not believe what I have experienced. Those who do are wise as I speak truth. All glory to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.

I did avoid your first question. As it was unlearned. I do not believe in a "trinity of gods". God is one. It seems you do not believe in Jesus Christ being the Word of God? As stated in ( 1 John 1:14, John 14:10? The Father and the Son are also one, John 9:30. Let's not get into that though as you have your own belief. Your assumption of my water baptism is false also.

No where in the Holy Bible does it specifically state everyone who receives the Holy Ghost shall murmur or babble. That in no way is magnifying God. And to prophecy people must understand your words. Again remember as in Matthew 7:21-23 that no matter how much you prophesied, or cast out devils, in the name of the Lord that is not what saves you. The Lord searches hearts. I also just as you will have to give account for our words Matthew 12:36-37.

God Bless you.

You can find it in the Gospel of John chapter 14, verses 1-3.

To OTITW KJV. Just to clarify a couple of your references.

a. Isaiah 28:11,12: "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing..." If you read this portion of Scripture, it has nothing to do with the experience of speaking in other tongues. It has to do with the Assyrian captivity, when Ephraim (one of Joseph's sons) is particularly mentioned who would go into captivity along with Israel, because of their many sins & wicked prophets & priests. Instead of hearing the Word of God through His prophets, they would receive the Word from those "with stammering lips & another tongue", i.e. another nation & another language, implying that the Word given would also be spoken in scorn & derision to God's people. This verse has nothing to do with the spiritual gift of Tongues.

b. the 'doctrine of the Trinity'. You would have a hard time to deny the Trinity, as it was not only believed by the apostles & the early Church ( John 17:5, Matthew 28:19, John 20:28, etc), but was also believed by the early Church fathers (i.e. those who were eminent men in the post-apostolic Church, after the apostle John). Names such as Ignatius ("For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God's plan..."; "There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord."). And Polycarp ("Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High Priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead."). And not to mention Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, who all believed it. This is not an RC introduced belief.

Revelation 3:19-22 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 21:5-8 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Dear Tom,

One other aspect I have been led to reply to is about how you stated "once anointed one cannot sin". As I can only perceive what you mean is to have received the Holy Ghost after giving our life to the Lord? Unless this is from a higher level in which God knows exactly who are His from before we took our first breath in this earth. How He knows the end before the beginning which is truth.

Now I know some believe in "once saved always saved". Which is nice to think but there is Scripture to contradict with this thought. Like Hebrews 10:26-31, ( 2 Peter 10:20-22. Jesus stating in Matthew 7:21-23. Also in Matthew 24:10-12 that there shall be a falling away and it is "he that shall endure until the end, the same shall be saved".

As we are all just vessels it is Gods choice alone who is to be saved. As in Romans 9:19-24, ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21. Even when God spake to Moses in Exodus 33:19. It is all His will which is Holy and pure.

Though as stated in the couple verses I have posted it seems that people can lose their salvation. As I would believe there are people who have fallen away and maybe hate God and Jesus Christ now. Also knowing of a couple that have fallen away but come back to the Lord. Which I believe shall be forgiven. As it is His will and all things are possible with God.

Revelation 22:13

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

That said , Jehovah has no beginning nor ending. The Holy Spirit always was.

The Son of God, Jesus Christ, however; was born of a virgin - Matthew 1:18

Thank you much for your reply Tom,

I very much enjoyed reading your reply and I agree with most of what you stated. One thing you stated is very special to me. Shown to me very early, by our Father, in my journey with the Lord.

To try and not make this too long. About ( 1 Corinthians 15 24-28. Stating how the last enemy to be destroyed is death, this being the end. The end of just my life or all physical life? I cannot see how God is not all in all now. How He is the source of all life. The Creator of all. Knowing everything about everything, knowing the end before the beginning, and always being in control in Heaven and earth. Like you stated it is His Will that shall be done not ours. Job 34:14-15. Death being a part of this physical life when our spirit shall return to God. Ecclesiastes 12:7. All we see is vanity but what is not seen is eternal as ( 2 Corinthians 4:18.

How do you perceive when Jesus states of the sin that shall not be forgiven in Matthew 12:32 "neither in this world, neither in the world to come"? Do you perceive this as another physical earth or world after us? Or as like unto the angels who sinned and were cast down(from Heaven) to Tartarus ( 2 Peter 2:4? Meaning neither in earth or in Heaven.

I thank you very much for your reply and cherish very much someone to converse about spiritual things like this.

I still do not understand what you mean about the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost to be different. Can you please give a reply about how in the Textus Receptus, the Greek texts, which our Holy Bible(NT) is translated from. "Ghost" and "spirit" is the same Greek word "pneuma". Strongs number G4151. Translated over 250 times as "spirit" and over 90 times "ghost" in English. There is no difference in Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. That I can see anyway.

Thank you again for your time sir. God Bless you.

I would like to know where to find in the bible about .. there are many mansions and I go to prepare a place for you

I can say without apology, by the Holy Ghost; speaking as the oracles of God ( 1 Peter 4:11), that the word of God declares that when someone receives the gift of the Holy Ghost, they will speak in an unknown tongue, prophesy and magnify God. This happened all throughout the book of Acts and still happens today

So if this hasn't happened with you, then no; you have not received the gift of the Holy Ghost, yet.

But the good news is you can still ask & seek the Father in prayer & praise for His promise.

Who told you that you had received the Holy Ghost because you felt peace..the bible? Or a man?

Since you avoided confirming the first question I posed to you, I will take it that you believe in a "trinity" of gods, & that you were baptized by a man who said, "I baptize you in the NAME of the Father Son and Holy Ghost " and never said the one NAME given among men by which we must be saved.

These words will either serve as a testimony for you or against you on judgement day. For your sake I pray it will be the former. Either way, your blood is off my hands.

Be well Richard

Man shall not liue by bread alone, but by euery word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Every word means just what it says. God's mystery is written in parables. These two letter words are just as meaningful as any other words. Thy kingdome come. Thy will be done, in earth, as it is in heauen.(in earth) one must be careful here to understand the spiritual meaning, not the physical meaning. It is actually saying; Thy will be done in the physical(earth) as it is in the spiritual(heaven). blasphemie against the holy Ghost, shall not bee forgiuen vnto men. The Holy Ghost is the spiritual baptism given to a few by the Father through Jesus the Christ. He mediates this anointment. Once anointed one cannot sin ( 1John 3:8-9) making blaspheme of the Holy Ghost impossible which eliminates the unforgivable sin spoken of. I could never go against the teaching of my brother Jesus Christ. Read throughly 1Cor 15:24-28, it answers if and when God shall be all in all, that time is yet to come. And when all things shall bee subdued vnto him, then shal the Sonne also himselfe bee subiect vnto him that put all things vnder him, that God may be all in all. If defilement could occur then God the Father would be judged as mistaken, heaven forbid. God makes no mistakes. The word 'if' puts a condition on the statement that follows it. God's decision making is never wrong so a judgement of God would never occur. Many statements in God's word are proceeded by 'if', be careful to under stand their true spiritual meaning, they are there for a reason just as 'in' and 'on' have their purpose. When one understands these words put there by God the Father one's walk becomes wholesome and one's faith grows into knowledge, knowledge no man can takeaway. May God's grace be with you.

when was god born

As this will probably be the last question I have for you Andrew. Being a yes or no question. Which I believed you have stated already but just to be sure. Are you saying I do not have the Holy Ghost because I do not speak in "unknown tongues"?

Thank you for your time.

God Bless.

Thank you Jesse, well you may have a Gospel twin that I have not seen in thirty+ years in the state north of here.

God bless your time and instructions.

Carleton

REVELATION 13

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

MEDITATE on this question. Did you buy or sell anything in the last two are three days?

Revelation 13:17 That NO MAN might buy or sell, save he had the mark of the beast......

SERIOUS THINKING, RIGHT. You will have to have the SPIRITS help to understand.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things that are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

Carleton,

We do live in the same state, you being in the north end, me in the south, but I promise you that was not me!!!

Carleton,

Encouraging/building each other up is what it's about. You share things that are uplifting, and you do it with so few words. In fact, your short reply touched me in a very special way. It brought a tear to my eye where you said "I am weak no doubt," referring to yourself.

I think that brought some conviction to my own heart in that I don't confess that enough. I do thank you for that. Although that may not have been your intent, I believe the Lord works that way. I believe that's how he uses us.

Did you know that is when we are at the strongest point in our relationship with Christ; is when we confess our weakness before Him? He has a way of bringing us to that point!

My thoughts on what happens when the Church is lifted up are that we'll be part of the wedding feast taking place in heaven while the world is in chaos. I shared on here about a year ago the actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding. These 7 steps parallel the events spoken of in Matthew Chapters 24 and 25.

Here are the steps of a Jewish wedding:

1) The groom barters with the father of the bride.

2) If the bride approves of the wedding, she drinks from the Covenant Cup.

3) The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters.

4) The Father of the Groom decides when the living quarters are done. It can take a minimum of one year and a maximum of two years. The Groom can go get his bride when his father decides it is time.

5) When the marriage announcement is made, the people who have been invited to the wedding feast take positions along the parade route. They join the parade as it passes by.

6) When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar for the bride to come out to meet him. The wedding takes place at this time.

7) The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall and the door is shut.

I can expound, but I'm sure you'll make the connection!