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This is incorrect there are vast amounts mossing. Some is part of the Revelation Cannon. Just thought I would let you know. Have a blessed day.

To Adam,

You are right Adam, we do see too much on the same subject; from the same people.

1. When Jesus told the adulterous woman to go and sin no more; it was because He had come to take the sins of ALL mankind, upon Himself. "For God so loved the world". She had to make a choice. The Bible leaves that part out. However, Hollywood has given their interpretation many times.

So all of my sins were taken from me and nailed to his Cross. His blood made me clean, righteous, in right standing. He threw my sins (past, present, future) as far as the east is from the west; in a straight line. Infinity. He threw them into the sea of forgetfulness. He chooses not to remember them.

We do our best to not sin anymore, but as long as we are encased in flesh, we are going need Jesus to be our heavenly advocate before the Throne. I don't know any other way to explain it. If you really really love someone you will avoid situations of compromise that loose accusations upon us from Satan: the Accuser of the brethren, or believers.

God cannot ever look upon sin. He is a consuming fire. Only Jesus makes it possible to learn who "our Father who art in heaven", is. He is the bridge between us and God.

Mercy, Grace, Justice, Good Will, Peace with God. We need Jesus. Our NAMES are written in the Lambs' Book of Life. No one else can blot them out.

If Christians sue other Christians with the Law. The accusers are guilty of suing their brethren, before the unbelievers.

I will not agree to comment that what Jesus did, was not enough. I will not judge unrighteously. With righteous judgment we are allowed to approach the bench.

I will not sue you.

I'm going to plea Not Guilty by the Blood of the Lamb. I will throw myself on the mercy of the court.

It's all in how we respond to the proceedings set forth.

If anyone reading this is under condemnation by what others accuse: call upon your Advocate (attorney for the Defense). 1 John 1. Jesus Christ!

God does indeed know all about us, even from before we were conceived to the exact time we will die. Even an untimely death will not take Him by surprise, for all things are known by Him.

See: Isaiah 46:9,10; Jeremiah 1:4,5; Psalm 139:13-16.

Yet, many live in fear of when their end may come. For the one who has put his/her trust in the Lord Jesus, death brings no fear - has no sting. It's simply a transition from this life to the one God has prepared for those who love Him. Many over the years welcomed death at the hands of their tormentors: the wicked one might have vented his anger against the Christian, but the Christian looked beyond to the welcoming Arms of the One Who first laid down His Life for him.

Adam, you're correct, this has been a long, ongoing discussion, one which I've had (& enjoyed) with David over the previous weeks. I had stopped contributing as I believed that with all that was said & shown from the Scriptures, our positions remained unchanged based on our understanding of them. He believes that he is sinless as Christ has saved him from sin & from ever sinning again. So I'm not rehashing all those points here again.

What I will ask: What was the purpose & what was accomplished by Christ's death on the Cross? In theological terms, Jesus was sent for the singular purpose of being a substitutionary atonement for sinful mankind. Had that not happened, we would have long ago felt the full force of God's Anger against us. Jesus stepped into the gap, becoming the propitiatory offering (i.e. both an atonement for sins & what was acceptable to God to avert His Wrath from us). So did this act of love free us from sins? Not at all. It only provided the judicial requirement for God to accept a Sacrifice that would be the means for our payment & our pardon. Without such a sacrifice, we may as well turn to the Jewish sacrificial system or pursue anything that we choose (e.g. good works, self denial, self-flagellation, etc.) in hope of satisfying God. This is still being done all over the world rather than turning to the One from God, Whom God accepted.

Then, could not Christ's Sacrifice provide us more than just a pardon? It certainly could if through it we could be forgiven & cleansed from past sins & changed so that we will no longer be 'repeat offenders'. But His Blood could never do that, simply because Christ's Sacrifice was only for our pardon not for removal of our ability to sin, however much we desire not to sin. We're still in sinful bodies with a sin nature, from which sin emanates. If His Sacrifice gave us new bodies without the sin nature (as Adam enjoyed in Eden), I would heartily concur with David, but He did give us His Spirit to help us.

I've seen this same discussion played out repeatedly online and I'm not sure if either party learns anything from the exchange. The scriptures shared to support each point of view doesn't seem surprising to either party, but some seem to put more emphasis on one set of scriptures and less on another. Both sides agree grace through faith is what saves Ephesians 2:8-9. I've noticed that one side sometimes assumes the other side doesn't believe in grace, but that's a false assumption. I think the key question is how important is it to avoid sin? According to Jesus very important: Matthew 5:48.

Many of the parables were spoken to his followers (Christians) to fear God and keep his commandments and that narrow is the gate leading to heaven (few will find it) and wide is the gate leading to hell. If all Christians are already saved what's the point of trying? Maybe not all Christians who assume they are saved are and maybe some are lukewarm. Matthew 7:21-23. I think it's safe to say that Christianity is an active religion- the term literally means a Christ follower which involves action and movement.

If someone follows Christ I believe they can have confidence in their salvation. John 5:24 If someone lives an entire life of sin and follows the world and puts their treasure in the world and not in heaven, but they were sprinked as a baby or responded to an altar call 40 years ago, are they really a Christ follower? God is the judge, but I think that person should be afraid of going to hell and should turn from evil and follow Jesus, because of scriptures like Luke 12:5.

We're all impefect and sin, just as Paul admitted he struggled with, but that shouldn't stop someone from trying very hard to avoid sin, be obedient, and be a light to the world as Jesus said. I think someone who thinks they earned a get out of jail free card and uses it as a license to enjoy a life of sin and pursue evil will be surprised in the end as predicted in Matthew 7:21-23.

Is Wearing a mask in church show lack of faith in God to take care of me..can you give me chapter and verse

Thanks

Ricky

Does the Lord know when our time to die will be from the time of our conception?

The Greek, pharmakeia, can also denote the casting of 'spells or incantations', along with as you mentioned, use of drugs as part of witchcraft & sorceries. Brother Mishael might be able to enlighten us if there is any history of such use of drugs/potions, whether in olden or modern days that he has learned. I wonder what they used, or concocted, to bring on their desired outcomes.

WOW! I read this every NIGHT!

-Rebecca_

That's a good question. However, we would need to ask, "who or what caused these apparent anomalies to occur?" We know that the Scriptures were never written in chapter & verse form as we have it now; they were just a single writing (or, letter) with the usual breaks afforded by the language in which they were written.

Then various folk involved in dealing with these various writings applied there own 'break ups' over the centuries, so there was no consistency in this & with punctuation over the myriad of translations produced. As history would show, the Hebrew Old Testament into verses were done by a Jewish Rabbi, Nathan, in AD 1448 & a Robert Estiennne did a similar work in the New Testament in AD 1555. Therefore, once a passage of writing is so broken up into chapters & verses, we can only conclude the same folk also applied their punctuation as they deemed necessary.

The English Bible we have now that first used chapters & verses, was the Geneva Bible in AD 1560, though the dividing of the Books into chapters & verses went on much earlier than this. Though I do admit, Psalm 96:12,13 does look peculiar as given to us, though, looking at the other verses in the Psalm which are quite short in length, Nathan may have given this strange separation in the verses to maintain the style he applied to the other verses. Just my thoughts.

The latest comment had to have been the sweetest thing I've ever read. Thank you dear friend

Thank you. This is something we struggle with in here. Too many say if we sin after salvation; we weren't saved at all.

Come back often.

Then if we cannot be saved from sin, I suppose Jesus lied to us when He commanded 2 different people in Jn. 5:14 and Jn. 8:11 go and sin no more. Why did Jesus die then? To save us in sin? What you state is not founded on the Bible.

Matthew 1:21 states "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Here it says He saves us from sin not in them. When man or woman repents and gets saved, it is salvation from sin. At that time, God only addresses sin you have committed in the past. He doesn't need to address sin that is present, because those that really repent, do not sin any longer. They can choose to sin, but if they do, it is called backsliding. God also does not forgive sins in the future, because again the one that is saved is not committing sin in the future.

There are 2 definite works we must do to be saved and have the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. These 2 are the same holy being by the way. As I already said, you must repent and be saved from sin. Then you must pray to God to remove the carnal nature and infill your heart with the Holy Ghost. See this verse where Paul was ministering to saved but not sanctified souls.

Acts 19:2 "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." They were believers of Christ signifying salvation. Why would Paul ask the question if you automatically got the Holy Ghost upon salvation? The verse would not be needed if what you believe is true.

The one thing you did get correct, we stop sinning when we die. When we repent, and are saved, we are dead to sin. That is the salvation God accepts. So if you're still in your sins, you're lost, dead spiritually and will not make Heaven your home. Unless you repent and be saved from sin now.

Titus 2:12 says we live godly now. How can the sinner be godly? He or she can't. You're deceived and must repent.

I can't help but take notice of the fact that this is KING DAVID saying these things. David, the one who slew Goliath as a teenage boy, when the armies of Israel were hiding out in fear. This is David who God allowed to operate as a King and a priest, and at times probably as a Prophet to Israel. This is David, who will one day sit again on the throne of Israel. David, who was in the lineage of the Lord Jesus Christ. If this man says he does not exalt himself into matters that are too great for him, how much more should we be doing the same.He goes on to say that he behaves himself as a weaned child : in other words, he considers himself to be just beginning on his journey to knowing God and knowing about the things of God. Happy is the man who operates in this sort of attitude.

In classical Greek pharmakeia referred to the use of drugs whether for medicinal or more sinister purposes, e.g., poisoning. In the New Testament, however, it is invariably associated with the occult, both in Galatians [5:20] and in Revelation, where it occurs twice ( Rev 9:21; 18:23). English translations usually render pharmakeia as "witchcraft" (KJV, NIV) or "sorcery" (RSV, NEB). These words correctly convey the idea of black magic and demonic control, but they miss the more basic meaning of drug use. In New Testament times pharmakeia in fact denoted the use of drugs with occult properties for a variety of purposes including, especially, abortion.

In His parable, Jesus was pointing out that a person's heart is either towards God or to mammon (money, goods, pleasures) - Matthew 6:24. This man had no concern for God or God's requirements & indeed his own afterlife - his focus was on himself & to enjoy what he had accomplished by his own hands, constantly watching his wealth becoming even greater in the passing years.

Had he given God the first place rather than himself, it would have demonstrated that even with his bountiful harvests & substance, he would have acknowledged that it was God Who blessed him with these things, he would have also given of his substance to the needy around him & his own faith & love for God would have increased. I believe, in the Old Covenant economy, this rich man could have been wise in God's Eyes & not foolish, & would have been accepted by God as a man of faith & love for the people around him. Rather than being a self-centred rich 'fool', he would have been a people-centric wise man who was rich towards God having a heart towards God & not self.

No human being can be 'sinless' except for Jesus Christ. We need to distinguish between the two natures present in the believers person, the flesh (which we're born with) and the spirit (which is 'born' when we are saved). The flesh is definitely evil, it cannot do good. But the spirit is perfect - it cannot sin. Two natures.

There are many things we should do once we've been saved, but none of them affect our standing as sons (and daughters) of God. They are works, and our salvation is based purely on grace, the free gift, not on works.

The flesh is evil, born in sin, the spirit is perfect, born of the Holy Spirit. So we're both good (spirit) and evil (flesh).

Re Satan

Luk 10:18, Isa_14:12, Job 1:6

God does not 'control' any being. We (created beings) have free will, granted to us by God, and can choose our own paths.

When we're saved ALL our sins, past, present AND future are forgiven and washed away.

Our salvation is not dependent on works. Also, the Bible is clear that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit when we are saved, and that He seals us until the day of redemption (we die or are raptured): Eph 1:13 and Eph 4:30. There are no conditions attached except that we believe: 1Co 15:1-4

Our carnal nature will be removed when our flesh is replaced with our resurrection bodies - we will struggle with our flesh until then. Paul himself had an ongoing battle with this very issue: Rom 7:18

Question: if you are saved and yet commit sin, when do you stop sinning?

You stop sinning when you die.

'We are redeemed people trapped in unredeemed bodies' - Dr. Michael Heiser

Ronnie Franklin why do you speak as if you are God.. you call people " my flock, and lost sheep"..you are not God, we are not your sheep.

Also, ..what is the name of the Holy Spirit to you? You are concerning yourself with a worldly name, and not that which is important. Do you think God cares about more about Jesus's name then our complete surrender to Jesus? Do you think that God would cast aside any person with a pure heart for Jesus because he has not called him Yahshua? Look you call satan 'satin'.. and we all know satin is something nice and comfortable, and not at all fitting to call him.

The language of the times has changed, but the meaning and personhood of who Jesus is has not, and that is what is important.

In this instance the word "beginning " can be defined as "that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause" as proclaimed in Colossians 1:17, "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

Let us not leave off reading at verse 40:

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. ( Matthew 24:42-44)

Hiya Earl Bowman Gbu Bro. And thanks for the encourgment.

thank you GOD for your son JESUS CHRIST who gave his life so I can live

So if God did not approve of the trickery of the 11 tribes giving back wives to the tribe of Benjamin did he punish them for this deceit? Thanks Murray

Psalm 23:1-6

1(A Psalm of David.) The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Thank you for all the encouragement for the life that's being channel of the Lord faithfulness. Let us continue to glorify the Lord our labor in Him is not in vain.

Matthew 5:9

9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

You are called by God for a purpose the Lord is with you, be the salt and the light to your family God has a reason for allowing thing to happens in your life. You may never understand what his doing right now, but someday you will.

1 Corinthians 10:13

13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

He will not put you in the situation more than you can handle.

God blesses the broken road he is always pointed us straight to Him...Be strong and courageous..

My question to you is... Have you tried to find out what this verse means before posting your statement? As a student of the bible, having access to the thoughts of other bible scholars is helpful in understanding verses like this. Having the tools that pertain directly to the things of God is crucial. 2 Timothy 2:15 is clear.

We do not have to agree with everything we read in our research, but it helps to get some kind of perspective on what another student, or teacher thinks about a particular verse.

I enjoyed reading your sermons.What would happened if the rich(fool) would have given God first place in his planning ?

?----is it possible that a curse was put on my family ?? If so please help me !! I feel that someone some how has put a curse on my children .please please help us. And please please please please pray for my 2 daughters amanda (28) n taylor (22) . Thank you!!

The verse that came to mind while reading your comment, was Luke 18:28, "Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee." When in ministry in another country, & reading a similar verse in their language, "follow Me" shows up as: 'come behind me'. I think this rendering of "follow Me" brings out further clarity. It is one thing to follow Jesus, but that could end up getting a little vague as we put other things in our lives, in-between us & the Lord, but still have Jesus in the distance, thus comforting ourselves that we are indeed following Him.

Even Peter said that the disciples had left all to follow Jesus & we know from the various narratives they did so. But they ensured that they were 'close behind' Jesus, suggesting their continual focus & Reason for their decision was walking right before them. Jesus did speak of leaving all behind to follow Him (vv 29,30) as the disciples did as they were physically in His presence, but the question arises, how do we do that when Jesus is not physically here? In some cases, people have done as the disciples did & left home & family to serve in a foreign land for the length of their natural lives, whereas others (most) who want to obey the Lord in this, have put Him first in everything they set their hearts & hands to do. There may be things that are necessary to attend to & may appear as obstructions to following the Lord, but when we are right behind the Lord, even these 'other things' will fall into their rightful place.

But if we find that we have lost sight of the Lord, then we would have to ask what has come in the way to bring that about. And it's not just sin (which breaks fellowship with Him), but it's the proper, necessary things that have been given more of our time & energies & therefore forming a fog that causes us to lose sight of Him. To believe in Him is meritorious, but that belief is also mixed with deep love as well - resulting in our desire to continually resort to Him & follow Him.

Why does Psalm 96:12 end where it does? Most verses end with punctuation, but verse 12 and another verse in Psalms seem to be about the only exception to this. I was curious as to why.