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Mike and Chris,

In response to your comment concerning Genesis 1:3.

The "Light" of Genesis 1:3 is the Hebrew word "owr" meaning; to be or to make luminous. This Light is is the Light of the Father Himself.

The "luminary" created by God on the 4th day in Genesis 1:14-19 is the Hebrew word "maowr," a derivative of the primary word given in Genesis 1:3, and simply means a light, or a luminous body.

Mike, after you read Gen 1:3, have a look at verses 4, 5, 14-18. Do you think that these other verses have any bearing on verse 3? Though, your NT references were lovely to read & meditate on.

Steve, I've never imagined that Deut 23:18 referred to the trafficking of dogs for profit. Did they even do such a thing in those days? What would have been the demand for dogs at that time? I've always thought of this verse to apply to the preceding verse, in reference to the Sodomites, where both the harlot & male prostitute were great abominations to the Lord. But I do agree, that our furry friends can be the most loving & faithful companions around.

You've shared some great Truths there. Though some would gasp at your phrase: "we are only two thirds saved at the moment". I understand perfectly what you mean, & you are correct, though I've never heard it said this way before. You are of course referring to Rom 8:23, 'that we groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, that is, the redemption of our body'. The work of the Cross has fully completed our spiritual redemption & we wait now for that remaining work to be completed in our bodily redemption. Thanks for that blessed reminder.

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King of kings & Lord of lords are of course terms given generally to Jesus to signify that there is none greater than any earthly king, whether real or imagined. And a clear claim to His Deity is also seen in these words.

I couldn't get your intention with "translations of I Am or Jehovah". Is there a dispute with this?

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Robert, I agree, that these occurrences in the Bible can be a little perplexing, as generally we understand that God's Throne is in Heaven, Jesus (post resurrection) is at the Father's right Hand ( Heb 10:12) & the Holy Spirit has come to Earth in Jesus' stead ( Jn 14:26, 16:7-11).

Yet, you state: "I am often puzzled by the need of the last few generations to make all angels Jesus." I think you are referring to a 'Theophany', as in Gen 18:1-3, 32:24ff, or a 'Christophany', as in Judg 6:11-24, 2 Ki 19:35. There are of course, many other references to such manifestations. As well, one has to also understand the nature & work of Angels. My own sense is that if a person cannot in all good conscience discern the evidence for God or the Word, (Jesus, pre-incarnate) manifesting Themselves to man, or whether they were in fact Angels representing the God-Head, then no wrong judgement has been committed. The evidence one way or the other is not entirely clear & one cannot raise qualified objections to someone's different opinion. The fact that God did speak to men in such a manner is clear, but how & why He chose to bring His Word or His Presence to the view of man, remains unclear.

"What would be the purpose of 10 thousand angels if all they did was sing songs?" I don't believe that the entire host in Heaven are only there to 'sing songs'. Of course, there appears to be constant worship to God & singing of His Praises, but there are also a multitude of tasks that angels perform: Heb 1:13,14, "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" So, they are also sent out to minister in a myriad of ways. You can find them in the Bible, ministering to physical needs, for protection, for encouragement, in regards to children, giving of the Law, directing lives, at the Second Coming of Christ, etc. So, they are busy about the Lord's business & not idling away their time.

Do you think some of us take this book a little too seriously?

Sandra, your Grandson May be demon oppressed or, possessed. Specifically by a spirit of death, a lying demon, suicide; an unclean spirit. He has opened himself to their entrance by his lifestyle. Has anyone else in your family tree had this same thing?

I would like you to go on YouTube, type in 'Derek Prince on demon possession' in the search mode. You need to be informed before you go further to help him.

I hope you are in a church that ministers in this way. You're going need your Pastors help and maybe pastors wife or a deacon.

First I want you to get some knowledge in you before you go further. Don't be afraid. I'll contact you again soon.

When Paul talked about doing the things he didn't want to and not doing the things he wanted to

He said oh wretched man that I am. Who can set me free? Then thanked for Jesus, the one that can. I have prayed daily for this and ponder and wonder why i am still in bondage knowing it is not His will.

Father thank you for your tender mercies that are new every morning.Thank you that we do not have to fear the future when we are yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness. Keep us from our own self-sufficiency and straying from our dependency from you. Amen

I'm doing this to redeem my sins I'm excited for my journey with Jesus

John,

The tribulation period is a seven year period. To be more technical, the entire seven year period is known as the tribulation period, and the last 3 1/2 years is known as the Great Tribulation.

This last 3 1/2 years would be the time of Jacob's trouble as spoken of in Jeremiah 30:7. We see at the end of Verse 7 that it says "but he shall be saved out of it." This is referring to Judah and Israel. They will be spared from those last 3 1/2 years. These will be the 144,000 Jews who are told to flee into the mountains, probably the rock city of Petra. God will keep them from being harmed.

Bob,

Out of curiosity, I looked up this Tomas Torquemada that you told me about. I guess what drew my curiosity was how he was born of a Jewish family with the last name Torquemada.

What I found was that he was born in Castile Spain, and his parents names were Pedro Fernandez de Torquemada, and Mencia Ortega.

Those names don't sound Jewish so I was hoping you might be able to share with me the names of the Jewish family you say he was born of. Thank you for your time.

We Christian, hear lots of false information that may or may not seem pleasing to our on appetite. That does not mean we are to forsake the word of god. What keep me sane is knowing that if I mess up, it could be my last time, to repent ,pray and turn from my wicked ways.

You can search the word Tribulation when you enter this website: type it in the search box and copy the places in New Testament only, on a piece of paper.

Matthew chapter 24, verses 3-8

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the SIGN of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

And ye shall hear of WARS and rumors of WARS: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences (like Co-vid) and earthquakes, in divers (sinful) places.

All these are the beginning of sorrows.

If your Bible has center columns on each page: you see little alphabet letter or numbers. Those refer you to other books or old prophesies). This way you will know what's coming our way. Knowledge is good.

You'll need a good newspaper or be Google friendly. YouTube has news too.

I am often puzzled by the need of the last few generations to make all angels Jesus.

What would be the purpose of 10 thousand angels if all they did was sing songs?

What would be the meaning of "King of Kings" or sitting at the right of God?

Like the man of authority said, I speak and they do. Jesus sits on the right hand of God and commands. If He had to keep coming to Earth, why?

And that brings up the second objection of translations of a particular word (ie: I am or Jehovah). The Bible is to be taken in faith. Not absolutes. The answers to all questions are not included. However, do you choose to follow God (in faith); or believe in other forms of worship is (Satan, delusions, false prophets, traditions, etc.)

I am not trying to be offensive or claim I know better than anyone else. I seek God's will and to become a Disciple of Christ through the Holy Spirit. I am just trying to test all things and prove them.

Ty i used the bible for bible study

I did not know about Tomas Torquemada but thank you for sharing that. I'll take your word on that one since you've read the Jewish encyclopedia. It's not "If the bible is right," because the bible is right. It's our human understanding that is flawed. We study the same bible Bob, but when we come to a different understanding of the text, it's always the other person that is in error. Why is that? Can you please answer that one?

Yes, Pilate tried to release Jesus. In fact, he tried to release two people named Jesus at the same time. If you are questioning whether or not I believe the bible is true, I can assure you that I do. A study of church history would show that the papacy (Vatican) was responsible for putting to death many Christians, so I am not placing blame where blame is not due.

Yes, the man of sin will rule from the temple in Jerusalem once he takes over and demands that people worship him, but we're not told where he comes from. Not all Jews deny Jesus as you claim. That is false.



One thing is for certain, in the end when all the armies gather in the Valley of Megiddo to wipe out the nation of Israel, Christ Himself who will come with His armies, His bride, the church, He will destroy those armies. Israel is under God's powerful protection.

Yeshua was used as a title for Jesus long before the King James Bible was written. Jesus is an English transliteration that comes from Yeshua. So whether He is called Yeshua or Jesus, they both have the same meaning, the Lord is salvation. So if someone says Yeshua, they are not denying the King James at all. If I make an absurd claim like "Mary being impregnated by a Roman soldier," by all means, please do correct me!

You say "Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?" I agree with that. You've said some things in the past that have contradicted scripture, but I don't sense that you would be too "happy to be corrected" if I were to point those things out to you so I'll just leave it at that!

Let us not forget that although the Lord has forgiven us of our sins and imputed His righteousness to us, we will still struggle with sin in this pice of flesh that we have.

We are only two thirds saved at the moment, our soul and spirit, however our salvation will be complete when the Lord catches us up and redeems His purchased possession.

We must always do our best to fight against sin though, salvation shows a changed life.

Concerning "DOGS"

It is interesting to note that the word for "dog" is the Hebrew words "kol" meaning "all" and "leb" meaning "heart."

Jesse Yes Rome did murder many believers. Did you know the Vatican's head inquisitioner in Spain was Tomas Torquemada who was born of a Jewish family. He was responsible for many deaths of believers. Same group who killed Jesus and the apostles. The Jewish encyclopedia documents this fact.

Well if the Bible is right and others teach things that is against what is in the Bible, I am happy to correct them.

How about the lie that Rome killed Jesus? Pilate tried to release Jesus. Yet the lie continues.

John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release (Jesus) him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

That is of course if we believe the Bible. I am no fan of the Vatican, but I shall not blame the Vatican for something she did not do.

Truth is not antisemitic. While everyone is looking at Rome, the man of sin aka son of perdition shall rule from Jerusalem.

Judaism is antichrist and a heresy that denies the virgin birth, the atonement and resurrection of Jesus.

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

Those "Messianic Jews" who use Yeshua are also denying the name of Jesus given to Mary by Gabriel in the Greek New Testament, basically denying my King James Bible.

I find it offensive that a certain group claims Mary got pregnant having relations with Pantera, a roman soldier who paid her in silver coins. Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?

James, prayers. LEAN IN, He's got you!! His promises are too strong to break under our weight! Be with James, Father GOD, and help him to remember WE OWE YOU EVERYTHING! YOU OWE US NOTHING!

Cecil. Lovely comment. Simply Lovely.

Thanks for correcting my error, Bob. You seem to be very good at correcting other people's errors. I read most of your posts and you spend a lot of time correcting others. I think I agree with what Mishael had to say. She makes a great point about sharing our relationship with Christ to others. That would be much better than constantly tearing apart what other people share here. I am not saying that we should not correct a blatant error, especially if it impacts a person's salvation, but if all we do is spend our time correcting what we perceive as "error," what are we doing? Tearing apart everything people share does not do anything for building up the church as we should be doing.

In all sincerity, I do thank you for pointing out my error on the seven hills. I just looked it up and you are correct. There are others. Good job! But none of those cities match the description of the seven hill city in Revelation Chapters 17 and 18. We see that this city will be utterly destroyed. You can't tell me that is Jerusalem. There is no place in scripture that tells us that in the end times Jerusalem will be completely destroyed. Quite the opposite! Rome will be destroyed.

You ask me "Who killed the saints and the Lord?" Here's my answer to that. Yes, the Jews were responsible for persecuting those who followed Christ. But so was Rome. You cannot deny that Rome slaughtered and tortured millions of Christians for many centuries.

For the second part of your question, "Who killed the Lord?" You killed him, Bob. You killed Him, I killed Him, and every sinner who has been born into this world killed Him. You can't blame this on the Jews. Jesus Christ came for the sole purpose of dying on the cross. Why did He do this? He did it for you, He did it for me, and He did it for every sinner that has ever been born. We killed Him, Bob. Technically, He freely gave Himself up to death. Had it not of been for our sin, He would not have had to come and die. So yes, you and I killed Him!

Thank you for all the comments I have a better understanding, I will continue to pray and seek the lord and be ready when it's time.

No Jessue you are error since there are many cities built on 7 hills and Jerusalem is one of them.

Jerusalem's seven hills are the following Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet (Mount of Olives) and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the old city), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built, you know the wailing wall where the jews pray at.

Rome was never sent prophets of the Lord. who killed the saints and the Lord?

King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.



John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Act 9:23 - And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him

Act 23:12 - And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

Act 26:21 - For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

Do you see Rome in there anywhere?

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

Revelation 18:24 says Babylon killed the prophets.

Your deeds!

The companionship of dogs is one of God's greatest gifts to mankind. Trafficking in them for profit is as distasteful as prostitution

James,

The book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. It speaks of end-time events and the coming judgment, but also gives us a picture of our Lord Jesus Christ coming in glory. As far as what's going on in our country (U.S.), I see a lot of evil, but that is going on all over the world. The things happening here do not fit into the book of Revelation as far as end-time prophecy is concerned. All end-time prophecy centers around the nation of Israel, not the United States.

Revelation 17:5 mentions the phrase "Mystery, Babylon the Great." In Revelation, Babylon is cryptically known as Rome. Chapter 17 gives us the description of the destruction of Babylon which was shown to the apostle John. It describes this woman who is riding the beast. She is called the great whore that sits upon many waters.

In Revelation 17:6, John sees the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. For many centuries, Rome, under the direction of the papacy tortured, burned, and slaughtered many Christians.

Revelation 17:9 gives us the location of this woman who rides the beast. It's a city that sits on seven hills or mountains. Rome is the only city on this earth that sits on seven hills. John is shown the mystery of this woman, Babylon the great, and her future destruction in Revelation 17:16.

The beast is only going to allow the religious system, the prophet, to ride this beast for so long. And the ten nations are going to give their allegiance to this woman. But when the antichrist is through with her, then he's going to turn against her, as well as the kings because they're going to be on his side, and she's going to be destroyed, this religious system.