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Besides ecclesiastes 9 -5,6 ...Where else does scripture speak on the dead not knowing anything

Hi Jeff,

I might be intruding in your conversation, and please accept my apology. But you have stirred my curiosity on something. You mention Judas walking away from his salvation. Someone else in another post said that Judas was a Christian. I have never heard anyone refer to Judas as being a Christian, or saved for that matter. In John 6:70, Jesus said have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Jesus did not choose Judas Iscariot to become evil. He chose him to be part of His ministry because he was evil, because the scriptures must be fulfilled that He be betrayed, And He can't be betrayed by one of His own. There has to be a demon in the camp! Judas was evil the entire time, and only Jesus knew it.

But I'm still impressed by how after three years, Jesus can announce to the disciples at the Last Supper that one of you will betray me, and none of the disciples knew who it was.

You would think that after three years, if Judas Iscariot is a demon, you would think that the others would have noticed something strange about him during that three year period and say "I knew there was something weird about that guy!"

But they didn't know. He talked like them, acted like them, and looked like them. They couldn't notice any difference over three years. You would think maybe over a month that he could deceive them for a whole month, but three years?

That is scary! That's why believers in the body of Christ, even in our day, in the last days, we must trust and go by the Word of God not by appearances.

Please I don't have peace pray for me anytime you feel like I will appreciate thank you what else can I do so that I can be strong in spiritual?

Thank you for this explanation I am a firm believer that there is no rapture but only a second coming. John 6: 39-44 puts a nail in the coffin of preachers preaching the rapture

Chris,

I'm glad you responded. I did not intend to make it seem like I was referring to the early church being like today's church. I hope others will not get that impression. I was a little sporadic in my thoughts, going from the church today, to the early church, and then back again, so I see how it can be taken the wrong way.

The church back in the first 300 years seemed to have their act together until Constantine came into the equation. Most of today's problems stem from the church becoming too large, and it was never intended to be that way, and I'll explain my reasoning in a second.

But I think most of our problems come from opening the door to everybody because we've become more concerned with numbers than teaching the truth of the gospel. It seems as though success is based on how much money the church makes, and how many people we can pack into the church. (Mega-Ministries)

The reason why I say that the church was never intended to be too large comes from studying the parable of the mustard seed. The mustard seed was not supposed to grow into such a large tree. I also have to keep in mind that in Mark's gospel, when Jesus was explaining the parable of the sower to the disciples, the first thing He said was, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

That's key to me. If I understand the parable of the sower, I will understand all parables. I can't understand the others without understanding the parable of the sower. So when I study the mustard seed, I conclude that the birds represent evil, as in the parable of the sower. So we have birds lodging in the branches of this mustard seed plant. I see the mustard seed plant as representing the church.

The seed is planted in the ground, and it grows to be a monstrous tree, which is not normal for this herb. The mustard seed does not grow into a tree. But it grows so large that the birds come and lodge in the branches. And these birds are evil, and they come and mix with the good.

Followers of Christ, will always hear thing that we agree with and we will hear things that we don't agree with. If you believe in the Lord don't doubt, ask god.Every that we claim we are in Christ we have to accept as the truth. The truth is every word that preceded out of the mouth of god.

Greetings Tamara consider this about the resurrection.

In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!

If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!

Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.

Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!

When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?

John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.

John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."

Is the LAST DAY the start of thousand year reign of Christ?

I believe so....then it is eternity and time is counted no more

So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?

Is Yeshua really Lucifer?

The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes:

Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.

The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.

In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?

Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully

Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)

11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)

with the music of your lyres,

under you a mattress of maggots,

over you a blanket of worms.'

(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)

12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?

How did you come to be cut to the ground,

conqueror of nations?

13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

I will raise my throne above God's stars.

I will sit on the Mount of Assembly

far away in the north.

14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

I will make myself like the Most High.'

So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.

Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua

Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.

Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in Rev 22 and in Isaiah 14 Yeshua fell from heaven making him Lucifer essentially

Wow it is like revelations and Luke are all coming together in our lifetime,praise God and Jesus to send the Holy Spirit to all believers to help them through this.The Wonderful and terrible day of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to come back and seperate the wheat from the tares.To put satan in his place.To bring peace that goes beyond understanding to a troubled world.

psalms 34 The Lord is with us and he will be always with us if we decide to follow Jesus .

Trust him and fixe our eyes on him .He sent his only son to take our sin . Love your Lord with all your heart ,all your soul and all your mind.

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Why was it acceptable to change the day of worship from Sabbath, Saturday to Sunday? God said, "I change not". The fourth commandment said "Remember the Sabbath", the only commandment with "Remember". Isn't being a Christian meaning Christlike? Jesus went to the temple on Saturday as was his custom. Why do people go to church on Sunday? God wrote the 10 Commandments with his own finger, he hung the stars, moon and the sun, he created us, did he need our help? We should worship on the day He said. We can worship everyday, but we can't keep every day holy. Sabbath was made for man.

Mishael on Genesis 1

Why did you put this under Genesis 1, when it is about other chapters? Also there are no links to these other chapters and there are several. I see this with others also; but I am relatively knew to this; and so i don't understand it. It seems to be relatively common but I find it difficult to follow when I am in Genesis; however; if i were to pick the newest comments; then I could decide on those other chapters there and may be that is what people usually does, in which case, I can see why people may post in one book on things in other books and then those who are interested can go there when they are browsing on the new comments looking for something to interest them.

Thank you for your comments in the Bible; I enjoy them.

petr

in matthew 25 it show us that we have to be prepare and trust the Lord our savior bc we didn't know when he will come .

It is said that man was created in the likeness of God. I believe God is a tribune God. Man is created in Flesh and Spirit/Soul. Which is the third part?

How to comprehend the messiah coming into the world! We know that Christ and John were related, not by blood but family heritage.John new Christ even as a child growing up even though the holy spirit does not account these things.So when John proclaims the Christ, you can be assured of his relationship with Christ, even from the very beginning. The holy scripture has given us just enough info. that we might develop our own insight given through the study of them. In this we know that the holy spirit is in the word. This revelation takes place right here and now! The word made flesh and dwelt among us. John knows his calling, Knows the scriptures and fulfills the will of God the Father, proclaiming the coming of the Son of God.

The bible clearly states in verse 6 of this chapter of Matthew "The end shall NOT be yet" - this is not the end. Please go and listen to Jason Zelda on youtube. He explains it precisely, better than I can.

Chris -- Thanks for the reply, and thanks for being civil. I still have to disagree with what you said. When you began your defense of your views with, "Wouldn't a believer...", I couldn't help but think that this is not how we must, as Bible-believing Christians, defend a position. When we hold a doctrine to be true, we must not use human logic or, "Don't you think that ___?" We must appeal to Scripture for our views, and Scripture alone. And Scripture, in fact, gives us an example of one who DID walk away from his salvation, after knowing Christ face-to-face. That person was Judas Iscariot. He knew our Lord, talked with our Lord, and walked with our Lord, yet he chose to reject Jesus and go his own way...As for the verse I cited from 1 Corinthians, maybe you disagree with what I said, but I wonder how you can dismiss these very clear verses:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. ( Matthew 6:15)

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ( Matthew 24:13)

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. ( Revelation 3:5)

There are other verses I can provide, if you're interested. The clear testimony of the Bible is that we must persevere in the grace of God, otherwise we will be lost. No one can snatch us out of God's hand, but that doesn't mean that we cannot walk away from him. Quite frankly, the fact that OSAS is so popular in America, scares me, because it is making people take their salvation lightly.

It is written that the thief comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy, but Jesus comes that you might have life and have it more abundantly. We all live to Christ and we all die to Christ so whether we live or die we belong to the LORD. Also, see 2 Corinthians 10: 4-5 about bringing all of our thoughts into the obedience of Christ. Peace comes from the LORD, are you at peace with this dream or in fear? When the LORD came surprisingly - He always says "Be Not Afraid". I believe that this is a spirit of fear from the enemy. If you can believe and be in agreement with me, then as Jesus says - We speak until this spirit of fear. "Be thou remove and cast into the sea and return not anymore unto Dianah and her family in Jesus name". His perfect Love casts out all fear. Resist the enemy and the enemy must leave. We cannot keep or loved ones alive or safe - but Jesus can and their lives are in His hands, and His hands and in the Father's Hand. God bless and keep you and your family safe always.

Tribulation Period is about to start, right after the Rapture, we are at the Door. 1 Cor 15:51; 1 Thess 4:16-17; Rev 6:1; Num 10:10; Lev 23:9

No one knows of, 'The Second Coming' or exactly the Rapture Time but the Season yes Matt 24 (Second Coming Signs). Remember Jesus's Disciples ask him two questions, " & what shall be the sign of thy coming, & of the end of the world?"

We are in the Rapture Season, "Last Trump" explained in Num. 10, a trump to call the assembly. Lev 23:9 (First-Fruits, Barley Harvest & Second fruit Wheat Harvest/Martyrs).

Tribulation Period & Antichrist: Daniel 9; Matt 24 : Revelation 13; Luke 20:41-47 (Antichrist will say he is a Jew? 'Davidic Line' but is not and speaks about the Pope and Vatican/scribes, long robes (vs.46), ( Rev. 2:9, "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, & are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.")

2 Thess. 2, the Antichrist can't come to power until the, 'The Rapture Event'.

**From my research, Antichrist 666 look to Henry Charles Albert David**

Pray to God & ask him to open the scriptures up to you & he will but it will require you to shutdown all entertainment & other distractions for some time, fast & pray.

Remember if you get left behind you have another chance. #1 Don't Divorce Jesus/Don't Take The Mark,

#2 Repent and Cry Out to God (Fast and Pray), #3 Do Not Listen to the Antichrist Nor View him unnecessarily on Tv because he has bewitching powers. # 4 Cover yourself with the blood of Jesus & speak protection scriptures often. #5 Ask God to lead you to fellow believers that are repentant and serious about his. Do not fall for False Teachers/Prophets saying its OK to take the Mark & God will forgive you for taking it because this is a lie! #6 Prepare for Martyrdom, God will give you grace to lay down your life ( Ps 48 :14). Much fasting and prayer will prepare you for this. Do not fight the death process as he will raise you to eternal life in heaven & you will receive a Martyrs Crown.

Jonathan, I doubt if there is any specific literature that would give you a definitive answer to your question, as there would be many commentators giving their own understanding on these verses. So, it's anybody's guess as to what this supposd contradiction means.

In my understanding about these 'high places', not all of them were wholly devoted to idolatry. Sometimes, a high place could have been formerly used for idolatry & subsequently used as a place to worship the true GOD. Or, Israel could have assigned particular elevated areas to conduct their worship. Therefore, those high places that Jehoshaphat took down were idolatrous places but those he left were used for worship to God. But this is a pure guess as to how the writers of these books (1 Kings: Jeremiah & 1 & 2 Chronicles: Ezra) perceived these high places & the way they were used.

I have been dreaming about my family members everyday about death why do I have to repeat dreaming of death every day in my dream why?

Jeff, I had for the longest time fully believed that a believer could lose his salvation, whether by choice, or being found no longer worthy of this high calling. When I then first understood my security in Christ, that which God cannot un-seal me from & my changed life being filled with & led of His Holy Spirit, I knew that there was absolutely nothing that could separate me from Him. It has been suggested that a believer can still choose to depart. But my question, would a believer ever want to or give it any consideration? Wouldn't a believer NOT deny the One Who purchased him, even willing to go to his death (as so many before us did, happily marching onward to the burning stake). If a believer is not prepared to lay down his life for the Lord, then some self-examination is in order, to see whether the Faith of Christ is his blessd possession. How many would be like Peter ( Mt 26:75) facing death.

So after what is said above, I refer to 1 Cor 9:27. I know that this verse is sometimes used to show Paul's fear of losing his salvation if he didn't persevere with all diligence in the faith, but is that the meaning of the Scripture? He speaks of bringing his body (with any remnants of its affections & lusts) into subjection (making it a slave instead of vice versa). And if he failed to do so, then after speaking of the victory that his hearers can have in Christ, he himself should be a castaway (Gk. adokimos = not standing the test & being rejected). Now, if 'rejected' means 'loss of salvation' to you, so be it. But I see in Paul's application, that he is actually speaking of him becoming a hypocrite & one unworthy of the high office of an apostle. And this is the thing he feared: that he would displease his Lord & shame Him in his ministry. I almost see a connection with Acts 20:28, when Paul sent for & spoke to the Ephesian elders, "to take heed unto yourselves (lead circumspect lives) & to all the flock over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers...".

Pamela, I can explain the Statutes (not statues) of the LORD, but it would be helpful to you (I hope) that the other similar utterings from God be quickly explained. So when you read the Scriptures, you will know what they mean.

Commandments: are Orders or Charges.

Judgements: instructions as to what to do in a situation.

Statutes (also given as Ordinances): decrees or requirements or boundaries set by God.

Law: is a general word to encompass the above, but of course, Law can be given by God or man.

That is a very brief description that may help you even though it may seem a little puzzling to us today. The Jews who read their Torah, the Psalms & the Prophets, knew well the meaning of those words & how they applied to them.

no he wont repent satan home is hell.

Matthew 12:36. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give an account thereof in the day of Judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou Shalt be condemned.

Jesse, that's an interesting observation you have made: that it is possible that Church leaders don't expel members for gross sin or even bringing in wrong doctrine because of the legal ramifications to them. However, this wasn't the case in the early Church & crazy laws we now have. Even though there are more verses to the Church leaders to gently deal with the matter & to help the sinning person to get victory again, yet 1 Cor 5:9-13 is quite explicit to Church discipline when the problem is serious.

I feel that in the Church today & given our governmental laws, one must only preach against evil, & specifically of sins which insidiously creeps into the Church, so that the ground rules are set & the guilty amongst them may sense conviction or may even leave of his own accord. But when the Church overlooks it completely or preaches an 'easy salvation' which gives the hapless soul no certainty of salvation or of eternity, that Church will be condemned the more.

MAY: you raced right by verse: John 5:23

"That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoureth NOT the Son, honoureth Not the Father which hath sent him."

Jesus has numerous names; having different meanings. John 1:21 shows his name at birth...Jesus."

It's the only name by which you are saved.

Paul,

I am not sure I understand your question?

But Chris, we are not looking for the natural and logical understanding of 2Peter 3:8; we are looking for the wisdom of God, hidden in the mystery in which they spoke.

Hi May. I just ran across your quite of Thessalonians. May I ask that if the Lord had the voice of an archangel, was and is the Lord AN archangel? Thank you for your attention.