Bible Discussion Replies PAGE 129

Hello Skehn32. Can you tell us which verse(s) you are referring to? Psalm 16:8 is one that comes to mind ("I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved"), but you may be thinking of another. In this verse, David is writing that God was is his confidence, his strength, and his hope. So "right hand" does not imply that God was physically standing beside him, but that God's Presence would always be with him as he continually set his sight & trust in Him. And yes, it is wonderful that the Holy Spirit so moved you to raise your arms in worship of our great, loving & merciful God.

Hello Free. Please be at peace with this matter. Whatever was contributed in that thread was done to the original poster, Texsis, who asked a very valid question, inviting others to give their thoughts. You shared as well in it and your comments were not challenged in any way. Blessings.

You are welcome DSCY 222

In late 80s and 90s I have been to your city, GBU

Gigi, consider the matter as closed. We are all instruments either for good or darkness. I can only make sure my place in His will. GBU

Dear ,

I appreciate that you have shared some of how you interpret Scripture. I agree that we should not go back and forth on this matter any longer at this time. I do mean for peaceful relations here and only respond for the love of God, His Word, and other believers. But you think otherwise of my intentions, and that is your prerogative.

Matthew 11:28

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

2 Corinthians 13:11

"Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you."

Blessings

Acts 2:21

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Blessings

From my approach to the Bible I can in good conscience say before God and man that faith in the Word of God as inerrant was my raison d'etre.

The ministry here has been labour of love.

I believe God opened my eyes because he trusted my zeal and have not misused it. I may put in simple rules to guide any believer who stands to benefit from the God document.

1,

The Bible is inerrant so the passage in in whichever way is applied shall not contradict the truth.

2.

Interpretation must be for the glory of God.

3

The Spirit organised the narrative so from whichever context it is approach shall adhere, the thrust in the Son, Jesus Christ by whom all things consist and he is before all things. Finally the nations, bodies entities, names of places and persons shall have the fulness of God in his Son.

Faith is the one language, one speech so heart of man, a spiritual place shall follow the truth outside our understanding of the time. Thus God sets whole number Seven and sets number 10 for the nation of Israel we shall be on the safe ground to believe that God sets a bar before the nation. The Law of Moses was merely shadow of the everlasting Covenant in Seven days. Either their faith should be above mere traditions to come to the truth or be rejected. God chose His saints before the foundation of the world but left it to the Son for fulfilling His Will. Whatever the word become flesh determined it was perfect. Thus the book of life is made perfect by the book of the Lamb.

Lastly the Bible is for living and it is for spiritual instruction in righteousness. 'Jn.15.3

The Bible is simple since I let aside my reason. But I hazarded in this enterprise to edify:I have tried to draw inferences from the inerrant word of God so whichever way used should not contradict the truth b) and it should be for the glory of God c) it must conform to to the doctrine of Christ mentioned in Col.1.17-19 All things and not some of the things, mind you, all things by him consist.

If God is at our right hand, and we are at his, we are facing him. If I am reading this wrong today is the first time I have felt moved to lift my hand while praying. Reaching up .for my Lord & King

Dear all of you chosen children of men, we all are and I do not want to torment you all with too many words. Adam and Eve was the first made ppl in the Garden. The Lord God was there with them. The Garden of Eden had a task for God. That Adam should take care of it. When you read the Bible, there are words and phrases that allow you to expand your horizons in a way. And I truly regret this and apologize for the fact that my writing gave the impression that I wanted to change Biblical world history. Please forgive me, i was not my intension to lead all off u in a wrong way. And we should all be ashamed of the heated discussion over Genesis. Then we haven't come very far, this human race anyway. UnfortunatI am corious and this leads to a thirst for knowledge in me. So when I read I see that Cain was thrown out by his mother and father after he killed Abel. Genesis 2:24 Gen 3:20 Gen 3:24 So God drove man out of Eden, this is the lineage of Jesus, right? Genesis 4:14-15 Gen 4:16-17 So a little logical thinking in this makes us wonder why Cain was afraid of being cast out of the human race because of his murder of Abel? The Lord God put a mark on him so that he would not be killed. Then it is natural side of me to think that there were already families on earth. Outside the Garden of Eden. Unfortunately, such thinking leads us astray from the family we think and belong to. According to the Christian faith.If we think of idolatry and resistance to the God of Israel. Then we will see that if everyone had been in Adam and Jesus' family tree. There would never have been any rebellion or idols in this world. Not then and not now, we would all have had the same thought. But we are still different, we still think differently. And not least we rejoice in some of the differences while we hold on to the Heavenly at Eden.These are my last words on this,and I will neveragain interferein conversations that deal with this.Once againThese are my last words on this.Salme 91 1 Joh 2:3-11

Gen.27.33 "Trembling"

"And Isaac trembled very exceedingly, and said, Who? where is he that hath taken venison, and brought it me, and I have eaten of all before thou camest, and have blessed him? yea, and he shall be blessed." Isaac is indeed the heir of promise and when he blessed it was ratified by the Word which is the Law. As for the Man component we have a problem. the half-blind Isaac blessed the raiment of Esau rather, "and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the Lord hath blessed:"(v.27) Isaac was misled by his lust for the savoury his elder son could cook up. This explains the exceeding trembling, which every soul would have to account for before the throne of judgment. The Holy Spirit presented Jesus Christ,"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?" Peter answered yet we have in our times him photoshopped and his doctrine made into a bolus so busybodies and ingrates can have some entertaining discussion. Why not faith than this quibbling? "We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.'(Mt.11.17).If the Bible is inerrant why not accept the truth totally? Instead some would make Israel as the head and use the name of Christ for their own agenda? CUFI where did that come from? It is Jacob's coat which does not fit him neither does the old man see overcome by his purblind state and his gluttony.

Despite of Isaac's failure God's blessing shall not go amiss. Jacob for all his rascality shall be straightened out in the house of Laban the accomplished master of roguery. Despite of the imposter churches doing disservice God has not downscaled the preeminence of his son. But the churches shall be cast off before He does a most marvellous work among'the heathen'.

Thanks Chris,

I don't understand Bennymkje. Are you asking if I made that statement with an earlier comment from you in mind? Or, because of someone else's comment?

I was just expressing my view on this question to the original poster, that the Bible doesn't speak of any other human creation aside from the two first people revealed in Genesis 1:27. And Genesis 3:20 adds to confirm this, "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the MOTHER OF ALL LIVING". There were two points I was making: that Adam & Eve were the first humans of God's Creation and their lineage only is given in the Bible without any reference to any other non-Adamic-derived humans. Therefore, Cain would have married within his near or extended family as others did in that era. If someone chose to believe that two races were in existence at that time, then their belief is without any biblical warrant and problems of sin and salvation arise as well.

But I did find your comment to me on this, and I quote it: "Does it? (referencing my comment against another race of people). God framed the worlds by the word of God and the Spirit is not giving us a treatise in ethnography but of faith, the one language and one speech. God planted the garden and set man and woman as representational examples so with one man's fall sin enters into the world etc. It is neither on earth or in heaven as literal minds would make of it. So man after the fall chooses according to their free will. In the story of Noah we have the dove coming with an olive leaf plukt of and nations populating the new earth and these are to be understood as the Spirit has stated it. Where faith is the one speech and one language either we believe the word as inerrant. This is merely my understanding of the Bible. We explain the spiritual with spiritual passages." (End of your comment to me). That's all I have as your response and found that your answer did not address my comments, rather you took it into another direction.

Chris,

'but the view for a second human creation, aside from Genesis 1:27, should be rejected as something not given in the Bible" where did you get this idea, certainly not from comment I trust?

Gen.26.27-28 "Come to thy light"

"Then Abimelech went to him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath one of his friends, and Phichol the chief captain of his army./And Isaac said unto them, Wherefore come ye to me, seeing ye hate me, and have sent me away from you?/ And they said, We saw certainly that the Lord was with thee:"

Abimelech's servants strove with Isaacs servants over water which was not theirs. If so why nations quarrel? " From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?/ Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not./Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts./ Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God"(Jas.4.1-4) Recent hews is the controvery over deep sea mining for electric car minerals which ought to warn where this insatiable self-destructive lust come from? The ungodly nations want them to consume it upon their lusts. Since the beginning Satan has been driving nations to war. Isaac was a man of peace and God blessed him in his Son and according to the word as well. Abimelech sues for peace.

This was because "We saw certainly that the Lord was with thee."

The Spirit annotates this change in the Gentile king for our spiritual instruction: "And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising." It is with regards to the holy city of Jerusalem, so the kings shall come to the brightness of thy rising." Compare with Rev.21.24, "and the kings of the earth do bring their glory..."

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee./ For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.(Isa.60.1-3)

"I think it is important to try to understand what people post here, and I have tried to do that with Bennymkje. But it is mostly a confused mess that addresses important biblical topics that those reading hoping to learn truth deserve a clear explanation and interpretatiion. Sadly, Bennymkje's approach fails to provide this and can lead to much confusion in believers." Sincwould not have arisen.

You use my name here let me answer at this point: Had you faith that the Spirit is truth and it is holy, this forum for discussion would have been unnecessary.The Bible is simple since I let aside my reason. But I hazarded in this enterprise to edify:I have tried to draw inferences from the inerrant word of God so whichever way used should not contradict the truth b) and it should be for the glory of God c) it must conform to to the doctrine of Christ mentioned in Col.1.17-19 All things and not some of the things, mind you, all things by him consist. Gigi,, I am not fooled by your tone of peace maker in your comment to me and in your 'I-know-it- all stance here. I back out from arguing you for the simple reason I shall be wasting my time.

thru Gods Grace would like to share experience had with the/a messenger of Truth like mentioned in this chapter,its 100% true.

around 2010 had fab shop,making/selling parts for 57 chevys. got into odd situation with a tough customer over 3 things.

one of the most bazar business experiences to this day

customer called,left a message,n was waiting for return call.i was in the shop, land phone in hand and could not think of one thing to say to him.over the three issues. after not being able to think of anything.

in Desperation with spec of humor, looked upward called out n said 'What should i say to this guy, cant think of anything..

to my Shocking Surprise like right out of a hollywood movie, a Heavenly Messenger physically Appeared in front of me.... and said 'michael,the business is yours to do as you wish, All that I ask is...That you tell the Truth'

her power filled entire room including within.in shear overwhelment my finger like hit the dial button.while it was ringing, realized still didnt know what was going to say,, he picked up n lightly growled 'yeshish' i told him about the three things in Truth.

after i finished speaking there was long silence,He said 'mike,this is exactly why i do business with you,cannot Thankyou enough for your Honesty' and kept saying that. could tell he was unknowingly picking up on the supernatural event

he went on to say.'will be by Monday to square up n cannot Thankyou enough'

i hung up the phone,thru my hands in the air, yelled out 'Yes,,the Truth is the Key'....

the Messenger said 'To the Gate of Heaven'......

Gigi,

Denigrating the body of Christ is one thing and denigrating the doctrine of God is another thing. Imposter churches have been at it for millennia. Let each be judge of what he/or she says. Whether I make up my own or speak from what is set down by the Spirit is for God to judge. I respect those who have served in the field for winning souls and my attitude has been on this forum to treat them as worthy of consideration.. Whether they served their church or the government or the lord is for them to determine. I do not wish to continue a dicussion that is neither here nor there.

Thank you Gigi for sharing further on this important matter. How careful we need to be in handling God's Word & then in disseminating it to others ( James 3:1, where 'masters' = 'teachers, instructors'). Of course, we can only do the best we can with what knowledge & clarity the Spirit has blessed us with, but remaining especially guarded when sharing that with others.

I think of the recent question about Cain and from where he found his wife. I had to be clear that the answer was not found in the Bible, rather my belief from what the Word has given to us about that era, the people named & their migration. And this means my answer can certainly be open to other possibilities, but the view for a second human creation, aside from Genesis 1:27, should be rejected as something not given in the Bible; thus much care must given when thinking of promoting that theory, or anything that is not clearly founded and seen from the Word. Blessings.

How did Jesus look

Chris,

Pt. 2

His words, his negative comments towards the body of Christ, and his air of being able to discern "hidden truths" revealed to him by the Spirit lead me to take warning of taking his posting as serious Bible exposition. I pray that he will take what we say to him and about him to heart, as both you and I mean well and wish to encourage him to consider a more conventional approach to bible study, especially if he intends to post his ideas on a forum such as this where there are some here who are very young in the Lord and/or easily swayed by novel ideas.

.The Bible is written with clarity. There are many genres used in it and most people can discern such genres when reading section. Most people do not spiritualize every verse as the three we have mentioned, but instead use sound comprehension and interpretive skills to understand how to understand the truth God is revealing in the different types of writing used in Scripture.

It is God's revelation to humans, especially to believers, and He does not write it with all sorts of hidden, off-the-wall meanings. He revealed what He wished us to come to know in a way that most adult believers can grasp the concepts, doctrines, historical narratives, and other truths without trying to uncover secret meanings or have a need to use something like gematria, or seeing every person or event described as a "double for our Lord, Jesus" or "happening in the spirit plane or earthly plane". This type of esoteric thinking is not God's way for us. But it can be very deceptive and enticing and lead may into error and false conclusions.

Some of us here take everything posted here in an accepting way. But some of us, you and I and others, do not. When something posted comes across erroneous, or confusing, or "New Age-like" we step up and address it as the Lord calls us to do so. We intend the best for the poster and also wish for our conversations here to be as Paul states, taking every thought captive to God's Word.

Hello Chris,

I too, do not know of any source that explains the development of this hyper-spiritualizing most ever Scripture verse within the church. Most people who were leaders gave well-reasoned exposition of their interpretations where anyone with a normal sense of logic, reasoning, and intellect could grasp what they were communicating.

It does sound a bit like gnostic "secret or hidden knowledge" of a sort. I do remember the other two men who did this also and they are no longer on this site. But what bennymkje has for a style or approach is a bit different than the other two men.

I think it is important to try to understand what people post here, and I have tried to do that with Bennymkje. But it is mostly a confused mess that addresses important biblical topics that those reading hoping to learn truth deserve a clear explanation and interpretatiion. Sadly, Bennymkje's approach fails to provide this and can lead to much confusion in believers. It is concerning. And it is most likely that he thinks that those who think this way about his interpretation method and the content of his posts simply do not strive to understand "spiritual matters" or are immature in their understanding, as it seems he intimated this to be so in one of his most recent posts.

It is interesting when you or I pressed him for more clarity on how he arrived at his method of interpretation, he backed out of the conversation. So, after several attempt to receive from him this information, I come to the conclusion that he interprets Scripture falsely using an incorrect hermenuetic that leads down "rabbit holes" as you mentioned that do not edify the body of Christ. His seemingly humble way of saying he just writes what comes to his mind given to him by the Spirit is not convincing to me. I am glad that you engaged him these past few days and I prayerfully stepped in to engage him also to get clarity.

See pt. 2

Blessed Day to all brethen here.

I come from Singapore which is multi racial, multi religion and multi opinion. Nevertheless, there are always fault lines but we learn to live and let live.

From my personal experience, the difference seems to be more intense and personal when the people of the same faith discuss or share their views or opinion. This is especially so when we on the Christianity issues. It dod not help that the evil realm is aware of this weakness amongst the faithful and capitalize on this.

However, I want to say that I find this forum is truly bless with people such are those contributing their pieces here regularly. Yes, there will always be different interpretations and understanding but the fact that we have REAL MATURE contributors here which I find it enlightening and refreshing. I hope I can still enjoy the reading of different interpretation and am sure, I will be well guarded by the Holy Spirit to discern and search the Scriptures like the bereans.

Reason why i started this by stating I come from Singapore is the fact that we have a 'unwritten rule' that no discussion of religions are permitted in say family gathering, weddings, social clubs, barracks ....etc. This is because there are many instances when these discussions turn violent and leave a bitter taste each time.

So I hope all the contributors here which I respected and admire, shall carry on their pieces as usual without having to worry about being correct. We are afterall inperfect and sinners to start with so let our Mighty Jehovah willed what we should know or not. Have a great day.

Amen! Great stuff Brother Jesse!

Thanks so much! God bless you!

Hi Richard. I agree with GiGi about the difficulty in finding church fellowships that not only believe in but also prepared to preach against divorce & remarriage. Maybe they feel there are more 'important' issues to address from the pulpit and to counsel those in that sad situation would be more preferable. But a preacher can even deal with that subject in passing, as part of his sermon, rather than making it a specific topic at a Sunday gathering.

I'm not aware of the state of the Christian Brethren assemblies in the present day as I have no contact with them, but I would hope that, as in the past, they still hold strongly to these marital issues, as they do to the pure doctrines in God's Word. However, you may or may not adhere to their other practises, so they may be worth checking out along with the Mennonites. I typed in 'brethren churches in Pennsylvania' and Google maps threw up a number of locations in the Philly area, if you wanted to pursue further enquiries.

Thanks GiGi for sharing what you have given here for us to seriously consider. Having a very inquisitive mind, and now in relation to biblical matters, it is not only what is believed & preached that is important to me, but from where, (from what seems as 'foreign ideas' being perpetrated), these ideas have their origins.

You might remember in the past of two brothers (names won't be mentioned) who were accustomed to spiritualizing Scripture. Even with those two, I endeavored to learn from where they developed such ideas and their basis for biblical interpretation and understanding. Sadly, I got nowhere with them as well; therefore, left to consider that maybe somewhere along their Christian experience they were taught & convinced that the Bible could only be read by spiritualizing (mainly by using a word or number that was commonly found in the Bible & believing that every appearance of that word must be connected which can only give us the real, maybe hidden, meaning). Even in the children's game of joining the dots to form a picture must be done by following simple rules, or else we end up with a distorted terrible ugly mess of scribble.

But here again, as before, I have not been able to learn or discern from where such biblical interpretation developed, as even if I search for some spiritual value or edification in such interpretations, I am left sadly bereft. Even if we consider some of our great Bible expositors and commentators of the past, or even the apostles themselves in their writings, I never observe such a form of biblical exegesis & preaching to the churches. Maybe all this falls down the same rabbit hole as the pervasive teachings of the gnostics and docetics from the past & continuing into the present, all contributing to the increasing corruption within the Church. Thank you again for your thoughts on this, as this is an extremely important matter that all Christians need to be aware of and vigilant about.

(Revelation Part 20):

Revelation 2:10 - Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Literally, here's what it says: Fear none of those things which you are about to suffer. So, he's telling them you're suffering now, but there's some things that you're going to suffer, so don't fear.

Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that you may be tried; and you shall have tribulation (THLIPSIS) ten days: Now the term ten days is a Jewish phrase that's taken from Daniel Chapter 1. Three times, the term ten days is used to represent a fixed period of time.

So, he's telling them that there's a fixed period of time that you're going to have tribulation. You're going to be imprisoned. There will be tribulation. But he says be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.

He's telling them about the hardships that they're going through. And remember, the entire book of Revelation as we know it, was written to believers who were being persecuted, and they were asking the question "Where's the victory?"

If Jesus defeated Satan at the cross, where's the victory? Why am I sitting in this jail cell? Why am I seeing my brothers and sisters in Christ being put to death?

John was allowed to see this time when the victory of Christ comes. In the meantime, there's an encouragement for believers to hang in there and keep the faith, even if you have to die. Victory is still coming. And as we read through this book, it will be an encouragement!

(Revelation Part 19):

Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

He says I know your works, and tribulation. This is not the Great Tribulation. This is THLIPSIS, the Greek word that has to do with stress, the normal thing that God says all of His people will experience. I know your works, I know your affliction, and I know your poverty.

But notice this: (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. So, the Jews had a synagogue there. But they were not believers. Those are harsh words. They say they're Jews, but they're not. They are not representing God. They've rejected the Messiah.

But they are of the synagogue of Satan. Wow, that's pretty harsh!

(Revelation Part 18):

Revelation 2:7 - He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches, notice plural, churches;

So not only were they to listen to the message of their particular church, but also to all of the churches.

The exhortation for the church: To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

We read this about the one who overcometh, and I am very happy to share this information with you. This is not a challenge in the Greek text. It sounds like it. It says to him that overcomes, and people see that and say "I've got to overcome and then I'll receive this reward!"

In every instance that it's found, at the end of every message in Chapters 2 and 3, this word overcome is what is called a Present Participle. It describes the person who is already overcoming. It's not a challenge for people to do it.

You can go back to 1 John Chapter 5, the first four verses, and it describes for you, along with Chapter 4 Verse 4, that we have overcome the world, we have overcome the antichrist, because greater is He that lives in us, than he that's in the world. We already have overcome them. It's not a challenge!

So, to the one who is overcoming, I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. It started back in Genesis 2:9, all the way through Genesis Chapter 3. The tree of life is removed from the scene until we get into Revelation Chapter 22, and we will see that as part of the promise, provision, and reward of God's people.

(Revelation Part 17b):

Revelation 2:6 Continued

Jesus Christ is still the head of the church. There are leaders that are to be in position to be of service to Christ, but if anybody in the church should be sensitive, and humbled to God speaking through the people in the church, and the congregation, it ought to be the leaders.

We're all equal. If God wanted me to be a leader, it would not be because I'm more special than anybody else. He might call me to that particular function, but that doesn't mean that once I start functioning in that area, that I know the Lord better than you do.

Many churches have fallen because the leaders took human control over the church, and they themselves were not governed by God's Spirit. The deeds of the Nicolaitans, the lording it over the flock, the human democracy over God's people, God says He hates.

That doesn't mean that there cannot be administration. But Christians today function like Jesus Christ ascended up into heaven and left us here to do His work for Him. No, He's still here. He's still the head of the church. He's our leader. And if you're in leadership, you still look to the leader who is Jesus Christ.