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Rev.11.6-7 The beast (2 of 3)

In order to understand the beast we shall keep two passages in mind. The war of kings mentioned in the book of Genesis. (Gen.14.1-9) "four kings with five" This war was not fought on the world made to appear but the consequential battle is fought elsewhere. And there was war in heaven which is different from a battle. War is ongoing so the Spirit tells us where it comes from.

" For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." God has armoury from which the Spirit has equipped us. None of it are is from your will of or logic. The junk seminaries equips men of straw to teach the word of God and yet they fight at shadows. Without acknowledging both worlds of Spirit and body what logic are we talking about?"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."(Rev.12.12). It is thus we explain the war of kings." Similarly the beast which explains "the beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:"

Imposter churches believe too so they speak truth cut and diced to cater a congregation,"And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast./These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast./These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Jesse, Your write, "Just think if someone came knocking on your door and asked are you a believer in Christ, and you said yes, and they said come on out here, you're next to be put to death. What are you going to do? They do not love their lives even unto the death!"

Knock it off, Jesse. You speak of Jesus who came down from heaven . Without setting both world of the Spirit and of the physical body you are not logical and yet you seem to rely on being logical. It is a fallacy to compare 'some one' with Christ as you propose here.

The mighty angel was not flashing property deed to any one. Along comes S Spencer, and says, it is in the book of Ruth. So what does it prove? Check it with the text: "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me."(Lev.25.23)

If you are arguing with logic set the the word of truth nd rightly divide it between those who want to debate. You are instead dividing truth.

Gigi

Part 2.

Here's one other thing I want to mention.

First of all, mention me by name. Don't bunch us together, I can respect that.

I stand on my own two feet.

A few weeks ago, you mentioned some on this site don't feel that the early Church writings was useful for us today.

Not exactly but it was somewhere along those lines.

A few years ago, you used to try to settle every debate by what you said the early Church believed in over the centuries.

Several of us showed why we couldn't settle anything in that manner. Those fragment secondhand writings were so diverse, some documents said one might have believed in this, and another document might say no, he believed something else!

The truth was never certain in what they believed in, nor does it confirm that they were correct!

Heresies began in John's Pauls' and Peter's Day.

If the reader can't be taught by the scripture we have today, he or she can't be taught.

It's the same Holy Spirit that teaches them that teaches us.

Hi Gigi, you stated that you have been in discussions on this topic, (Rapture, End times, ect. ect..) before on here and those who are firm dispensationalists have been quite confrontational towards your views.

Who are those firm dispensationalists that have been quite confrontational towards your views Gigi?

Gigi, I don't recall anyone on this site ever CONFRONT YOU on your eschatology viewpoints!

I don't recall You ever giving a viewpoint!

We're talking about over 2 years ago here!

You never gave an eschatology viewpoint you believed in, but you just knew what you didn't believe in. "dispensationalism".

Later you said Amillennial viewpoint best fits your understanding.

You entered a discussion where you said you believed the Millenium was in Heaven and I showed you certain scriptures that puts it on Earth and you agreed.

Gigi, you have always backed someone's else eschatology doctrine as long as it wasn't dispensationalism.

In fact, you said you would except anything as an alternate.

You have never given a viewpoint that you stuck with entirely and you may have been critique "by me" for not having scripture support for the references of the early Church beliefs that you often referred to.

You have always been the aggressor when it came to dispensationalism.

You openly criticized it!

No one has chased you down in any debate.

I've stayed away from that topic as a debate when someone goes into it with their sleeves rolled up.

The last extensive debate I had on this topic was no intended debate at all! I tried to avoid it.

That was with Jimbob and I wouldn't engage him.

It wasn't until I returned from vacation a week later where I saw where you rallied behind him, so I sought after your scripture support behind your theology, and you had none.

I have never chased you down about Eschatology viewpoints.

I can respect anyone who can show what they believe in or what they don't believe in, as long as they have correct scripture support.

See Part 2.

Hey Chris!

Appreciate your response! I am open to all answers and perspectives, as I am eager to understand & explore the difficult parts of the Bible.Thanks for your valuable insight & for helping me in this journey.

EXODUS:

From what I've understood, In Exodus 30:11-16, there is one ransom mentioned, but it serves two different purposes in different contexts:

Purpose 1: Ransom for the souls(lives) as Atonement(as mentioned in verse 15)

Purpose 2: Ransom for the Tabernacle.

Why would God use money as a means of atonement? It's hard to understand why the people would only be spared from a plague if they give money. The first purpose seems a bit odd to me as isn't specifically tied to any particular sin.

KJV:

I was confronted that KJV had problems in terms of it's usability today, by people who wanted to know what biblical authors actually said.

For instance, the use of the word "unicorn" to translate the Hebrew "re'em" is a mistranslated, as "re'em" likely refers to a wild ox rather than a mythical unicorn.

Additionally, some outdated English terms are used in ways that could be confusing for modern readers. For example, the word "let" in the KJV once meant "to hinder," but today it means "to allow," and "suffer" meant "to allow," whereas it now means "to endure pain."

Some words were also chosen based on tradition rather than the literal meaning of the original texts, such as "charity" for "love" in 1 Corinthians 13:13, where "love" (Greek ) is a more accurate translation.

Moreover, It seems that factually the translators had limited access to ancient manuscripts, which may have led to less precise translations compared to modern scholarship, including the use of terms like "unicorn" that don't align with current understanding.

JEWS & CHRISTIANS:

Yes, I understand that. But my concern is, Did God intentionally leave the full revelation of Himself unclear to the Jews, and only later manifest it to the Christians, causing confusion between the two?

Hello GiGi,

Yes, when Christ returns and takes back total possession of what has always belonged to Him, when Satan is no longer, when sin is no longer, the fullness of our redemption will then be realized and we will rejoice and praise Him throughout eternity.

As far as being made ready to face persecution, or even face being put to death for not denying our Lord, I like to believe that if we have Christ in us, we have already been made ready.

I have thought about this myself. What would I do if I were faced with losing my life if I refused to deny Christ? In the fleshly human reaction, I'd probably be scared to death. But I know that He lives in me and I have to trust in Him. I like to revert back to the training of the twelve apostles Jesus gave in Matthew 10:16-42.

Well, I am calling it a night. Have a great rest of your evening.

God Bless!!!

Thank you for reading our responses to you Keygbo and please remember we can only offer comment to what the Scriptures say & how we understand them. So even with Genesis 1:26,27, there will be different opinions based on our reading & understanding.

We note that in these verses, God speaks of "our likeness" and then in v27, "his own image". And we remember the Apostle John in John chap 1, wrote of God's Word being a vital aspect of His Character & that He gave flesh & mortality to His Word, being Jesus, His Christ given as our Sacrifice.

When I read these verses together (and others), I understand that in these Genesis references, God is speaking of His whole Being involved in His creative Work of both humans & everything else in this world & the universe. What I mean is that God, the One & only God, involved Himself completely in creation; He spoke things into existence (His Word - that Word which would one day millennia ahead become Jesus), and God's Spirit sent forth to perform those works (whether in creation or placing that Holy Seed in Mary, or even changing lives of those who would believe).

So, I do see in Genesis 1:26,27, that the Triune God (the Father God, His Word & His Spirit - all One) is revealed to us, and mankind was blessed with His Image: His Word & Spirit also working constantly in them. But man's fall into disobedience & sin changed all that and we needed a Savior to redeem us & God's Spirit to renew us & help us live holy & acceptable lives in a sinful & corrupt world. Such is the Mercy and Love of God for us. GBU.

A wonderful promise but you have highlighted a problem concerning translations of the scriptures . For you have said " In my Fathers house are many rooms" . Here is always my problem with so many translations . There is a world of difference between " rooms" and " mansions" .

The two words convey two very different things and while you might argue how can you have a mansion in a house? A mansion is greater than a room!

In my Fathers house is at the very least the household of faith .

Which is a very big house to say the least. With more than a few " Rooms".

For what is a brother or sister ? And what is a neighbour?

A brother is someone of the same household and of the same father .

A neighbour is of another household and of another father .

I'm not nit nicking but rather seek to show how more often than not so any transmits are always 'less" then in the KJV.

And if we have so many translations with so many difffernt words with p,Ely diffetent meanings by wht crterea do we choos one over the other? Th English language is very rich and is able to convey y its words breadth depth ad high of meaning thT most other languages cannot .We should have more confidence in the KJV and any ' problems' we might he with it as in this case of a " house" having many " mansions" should not be discarded because it is not so easy to understand fr an easier translation but which does not convey the same meaning .But rather we should seek the understanding of it as it is given .

Yours in Christ . Gerald .

Hello Ronald,

Brother, of course I don't mind! This being an open forum, anything that's posted is open for anyone to comment. As I have mentioned to you before, I value the things you have to share, whether we differ in understanding or not.

As you mentioned, I do see that this little scroll in Revelation 2:10 was open but in Chapter 5 it speaks of a scroll that was sealed. So, does this mean that the book in Chapter 5 is not the same book we see in Chapter 10? Or, is it possible that the book had been opened, and then given to this messenger (mighty angel) to bring and show to John?

I tend to believe that this could be the same book. In Revelation 5:7, the Lamb came and took the book out of the right hand of Him that sat on the throne. In Verse 9, it tells us that He is worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof. So, do you think there's any possibility at all that this open scroll this mighty angel (Gabriel?) was holding in Chapter 10 was the same scroll opened by the Lamb in Chapter 5?

In Revelation 5:9, we see that the Lamb (Christ) is the redeemer. He has redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation. So, we know that it's not just Jewish but all people. We will be praising Him for being our redeemer, who has purchased the title deed to the earth, and our salvation.

What I find interesting in Chapter 10 is that this angel (messenger) comes in the authority of Christ. He has this small book (opened), and the position he takes in Verse 2 is the same posture or position one would take when claiming a title deed to a piece of property.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. May we all continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

God Bless!!!

Good evening! Another view. Is not there a separation that takes place by Michael the prince in Daniel 12:1 ? God's elect are the "children of thy people". Pondering that "thy people", those that would not enter in when the veil was torn (or slept in faith and awakened in the graves in the appointed hour) were cast into the time of Gentiles while the children that were newly born of God became the elect.

Jesus at the cross is the view from the old and the view from heaven by revelation, I believe. This view remains present today whereas the resurrection remains present in this time even this hour.

Likely I have written something similar before and have received loving reproof. Yet more history continues to speak. God bless our faithfulness.

Jesse,

Oh, that God would bring us to the point where we do not love our life or try to preserve it in the face of danger, persecution, or martyrdom. We really ought to pray that God will make us ready for such a time where we will be put to such a test so that we will willingly submit to death rather than deny or betray our Lord.

Hello again, Jesse

In re-reading this section of Rev. some thoughts have come t my mind.

With the angel placing his feet on both the land and see, it may indicate God's sovereignty over all creation with no realm of creation outside of His power, rule, and authority. It may depict that what was in the little scroll involves all of creation, not just part as in a specific place or people.

With the angel swearing by the one who created all things, who lives forever, it may be that the angel was indicating that the prophecy of the little scroll directly refers to events that are close in time to the consummation, when the voice of the seventh angel sounds, bringing in to reality the completion of the mystery of God. God's plan for creation was made prior to anything being created and it has spanned the whole era of time and history in both heaven and earth, angels and humans, and with the seventh angel sounding the nearness of the coming of Jesus bringing to completion this eternal plan, it will no longer be a mystery to mankind, but fully revealed.

For believers, it will be sweet and pleasurable as they receive the fullness of their redemption, but to those who do not believe, it will be bitter and agonizing as they will receive God's wrath poured out upon them with the eternalness of His just judgement for their sin and unbelief. For God's redeemed, we will rejoice and glory in His mercy and grace given to us as a free gift that we never deserve. God will eternally receive glory for redeeming the elect and for carrying out His justice upon those who did not believe.

Jesse, I look forward to reading your next posting on the upcoming chapters in Revelation.

(Revelation Part 45):

Revelation 12:14 - And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle. The wings are the symbols for God giving ability to escape or to flee, as given to us in Daniel and Ezekiel. To her were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. That's a Hebraism taken from Daniel. Time is one, times is plural, so that's two. So, it is three total. And then a half-time, and that's 3-1/2 years, from the face of the serpent, who is of course Satan.

Revelation 12:15 - And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, again, symbolic language from the prophets. The flood waters out of the mouth are the armies in pursuit. A flood is an army. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

(Revelation Part 44):

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Through Christ's shed blood on the cross, He purchased us and died for our sins. We are overcomers because Christ overcame Satan at the cross. That's why John says in 1 John 4:4 that greater is He that is in you that he that is in the world, and that we have already overcome the spirit of antichrist.

So, they overcame him, in the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony. And they loved not their lives unto death. Interesting! How far along do I love my life? Well, I'm willing to give it up right up to death. I mean, that might be a little too far.

In the book of Acts, as Paul was traveling towards Jerusalem, there were different prophecies given along the way that if Paul was going to go to Jerusalem, he was going to be persecuted and taken captive there.

The prophecies didn't say don't go. The prophecies just said you're going to face trouble. Because of those prophecies, the Christians tried to stop him from going, thinking that if God were to say that, it must mean that God is trying to stop him.

But Paul says to them "I don't count my life dear to myself. God has told me to go. If that's what awaits me, so be it!" It's interesting that he says I don't count my life dear to myself. We have a tendency to interpret things differently that happen to us.

Some say "a God of love wouldn't allow difficulty to happen in my life. I can't accept a God who would do that!" That's because they love their lives too much. What if God called us to sacrifice for Him? Some would say that's too far.

Just think if someone came knocking on your door and asked are you a believer in Christ, and you said yes, and they said come on out here, you're next to be put to death. What are you going to do? They do not love their lives even unto the death!

(Revelation Part 43):

Revelation 12:5 - And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

That's the Messiah in Psalm 2:8-9. And her child was caught up unto God. That's the ascension. And to His throne.

Revelation 12:6 - And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

And the woman (The nation Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days, or 3-1/2 years. Many believe that this is the rock city of Petra that is already supplied with food out in the wilderness, so that when those who are sealed by God, the 144,000 especially, they will have a place to go.

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And the great dragon was cast out. And now we find out who he is, that old serpent. He's called that in Genesis Chapter 3. Called the Devil, and the word Devil means slanderer. And Satan, HASATAN in Hebrew, it means adversary. It's also used for the prosecutor in a courtroom. That's why in Matthew Chapter 16, the Lord said to Peter "Get behind me Satan." He wasn't calling him Satan. He was calling him His adversary, the one who was opposing Him, HASATAN.

And so, the old serpent, called the Devil, he's the slanderer. And Satan, the adversary, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. This is the final stage. He lost his position before God. Right now, he stands before the throne accusing the brethren day and night. But then he will no longer have access to heaven. He will be cast out onto the earth, and he will be enraged.

(Revelation Part 42):

Revelation 11:3 - And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

And I will give power unto my two witnesses. These are two people that will be protected by God. And they will be testifying in the streets of Jerusalem for 3-1/2 years. And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore, or 60 days, clothed in sackcloth, which is the clothing of mourning.

Revelation 11:4 - These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

That is a quotation taken from out of Zechariah Chapter 4 where there were two olive trees, two candlesticks, and it's making reference to these two witnesses that will be in Jerusalem.

Revelation 11:13 - And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Interesting that they gave glory to God, but it didn't say anything about submission.

Revelation 12:3 - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And ten horns, again from Daniel, we know that that's authority. And seven crowns upon his heads. But why ten horns? Why not seven horns?

The book of Daniel, Chapters 7 through 12 gives us the detail that in the last days there will be ten nations in confederation with each other, known as the League of Nations, today. And three of those ten nations will be absorbed by the other seven.

When the antichrist does take over, there will be seven nations. But here it's representing the ten horns, the authority over the ten nations prior to that absorption of the three. So, we have complete intelligence, authority, and rulership, crowns upon his head.

(Revelation Part 41):

Revelation 11:1 - And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

And there was given me a reed like unto a rod:

The references are found in Ezekiel 40:3, 41:22, and Zechariah 2:1, but especially Ezekiel's prophesies. The measurement that he's asked to give is a representation of God evaluating the status of His people. In other words, it would be equivalent to us saying "Do you measure up?"

There was a reed given to me like a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise up, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. We're talking about here on the earth. The measurement means that God is evaluating.

Revelation 11:2 - But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

But the court which is without (outside) the temple, leave out. Now inside the temple is the court of the Jews. The court outside of the temple is the court of the Gentiles. Even if a Gentile wanted to proselyte and become a Jew, he still had to be in the outer court. He could not be in with the Jewish people themselves. There could not be a mixture.

What God is saying is measure everything except for the court outside. Leave it out. Measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months, 3-1/2 years. This is the Time of the Gentiles before it is returned back to God's people when Christ comes.

(Revelation Part 40):

Revelation 10:4 - And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

So, John wasn't allowed to write down what the seven thunders said. This also tells us ways in which God works with us. He doesn't tell us everything. We're not ready for everything. Jesus told the disciples that there are many things I have to say to you, but you don't understand them now. He reveals things to us when we're ready for it. And here's God telling John to seal up that which you heard.

Revelation 10:11 - And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

So, he was saying okay, you were told not to write down, and now you're told to start prophesying again. We see this same book in Ezekiel Chapters 2 and 3. And as I previously mentioned, I believe this book is the title deed to the earth. But it is also the word of God.

And so, he's told to take it and eat it. The word of God is sweet to the taste. But the judgments are hard on the heart, and bitter to the belly.

On a side note, I think it is interesting also that it was always God's intention that God's people eat His word, that the word of God becomes our spiritual food, and that the word of God becomes part of us, that we speak not just from out of the book, but out of our heart.

We're told to devour it first, not just memorize it or learn it with your mind, but to receive it spiritually and devour it as the word of God. That's always the way it was intended to be. We've gotten too head-minded, too intellectual, and not spiritual in our approach to the things of Christ.

So, he said prophesy again, and he said you will do so in front of many people.

Ronald,

I do agree that Revelation is full of symbolism and imagery, not a chronological account, but one of recapitulation. It tells the events of the consummation of this age in using differing imagery, different viewpoints, (in heaven and on the earth), and is one book that we do not interpret literally in all verses. I think that God has veiled this prophecy in symbolic language and imagery for the church age, but when the time draws near to Christ's return in glory, those alive at that time will be given understanding of the prophecy to know that the time is near for His return.

In the mean time, we are to remain diligent and ready, going about our Father's business and work each day, following Jesus as whole-heartedly as we are able to do, loving God with our whole heart, mind, soul, and strength, and worshipping Him in everyday affairs, being thankful and offering our praises to Him often.

Thank you Free. I know that I did respond to Richard's question to me about how I think about the rapture. That was a few days ago. Still do not know what it was I wrote that made you to comment that you were disappointed with me. Would like to know so let me know if/when you remember.

Hi Gigi God's peace. Now I have started writing down words I reflect on. Because it is really annoying and finding my way back to the thread. Maybe Admin could change something? Thread tags and a search engine, please.

I can't remember it right now. And maybe that's just as well. But if it comes back I will show it to you. I think I read something about the rapture in that connection. I can't find anywhere that exactly supports the rapture. If we are alive when the Lord returns we will be in the great tribulation. We are closest to ourselves and everyone or most believes that Jesus will come in his time they live. And He does that well and then. The frail physical lays down. Love you in Christ.

Psalms 29:2(Give to the Lord the glory due his name;) worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness.

Hello Willow,

Today I read the words of the prophet Hosea: 'For he has broken us, and he will heal us.' ( Hos 6:1) - harsh words, but not without tenderness. They reminded me that true love is not always indulgent, and that the Lord, being the most faithful of spouses, can wound us Hosea 6:2 not out of cruelty, but out of faithfulness.

He does withdraw. Hosea 6:3 But only until our soul desires more than comfort - until it desires Him.

Over the years, I've realised that many hearts are lost when they wait in human love for the consolation that only God can give. Perhaps this is because we create our own idols - and marriage, when loved above the Beloved, becomes a burden rather than a relief.

Hosea 6:4 shows me that God is not content with our divided affection. He loves us too much to let us fall asleep in illusions.

So if he turns away, it's only so that we can truly seek him.

When you mention this "Gerald" I thought of when Jesus said that He will go and prepare a place for us. For in My Father's House are many rooms.

Thank you, GiGi.

Revelation is a fantastic book, and the visions John was shown are complex, symbolic, and mind-blowing; my little mind struggles to grasp them. The events covered are not arranged in chronological order, and we can't read from chapter 1 to 22 like other books in the Bible.

For example, Revelation 6, when the sixth seal is opened: a great earthquake, the sun turning black, the moon becoming blood, stars falling from the sky, heaven rolling back like a scroll, and islands and mountains shifting. Then we see the kings of the earth-great men, rich men, captains, mighty men, bond and free-hiding themselves because the day of His wrath has come. Who will be able to stand?

This seems to depict the event of Jesus's second coming. When compared to parts of Matthew 24, it is hard not to see that this is the same event, but this is the sixth seal. So, to understand Revelation, should we consider that the events have overlaps in the seals, trumpets, and bowls? I believe so.

I will leave it there.

God bless,

RLW

Correction:

"The first clause refers to the will of the Father, the world seen."

Please read as

"The first clause refers to the will of the Father, the world unseen".

Rev.11.6-7 "Days of their prophesy" (1 of 2)

"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." In order to set this in context we begin with Gen.1.2

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." The first clause refers to the will of the Father, the world seen. The darkness and the light are both alike are to thee.'(Ps.139.12).The word of God frames the world so the verses below are made to appear. The Covenant between the Father and Son is set in motion. The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Accordingly we have the generation of Jesus Christ on one part and on the other are generations over whom darkness settles. The beast mentioned in v.7 is the one who figures in Rev.ch.13. These generations n whom the true Light can work with, because darkness cannot grasp the testimony of Jesus Christ.(Rev.19.10)

Now for the prophesy: "And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them." (Rev.14.13,1) This is what the Covenant has promised and every heir of promise is entitled to it. So the slain Lamb motif and 144000 on mount Sion are memorial as the 24 elders and the Four beasts are before the throne.

These two witnesses are given power because the risen Christ assures his disciples,"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth....: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."(Mt.28.18-20) All power in heaven and in earth." In short these two witnesss represent heave and earth.

11.12 "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud. Because Jesus did before witnesses.

Brother Jesse.

I believe understanding the book of Ruth is vital to understand this section of scripture.

Blessings!

Amen Brother Jesse!

A property deed is the way I have it also.

Will revisit later.

God bless.

Proverbs 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Blessings