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This Jesus that is spoken of in verse 45 is a new one on me. Is he mentioned anywhere else ?

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And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

All were one body of Christ Not separate! But continuing in prayers and sharing all members of his body... the church, God's children. We are one in Christ Jesus. Amen!

Jesus is the cornerstone! Amen!!

helps me to live a life faithful to the FAITHFUL ONE.

MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN

MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end;

TEKEL, you have been weighed ... and found wanting;

PERES, your kingdom is finished...

The mark is something a person has to receive either on their forehead or hand in order to buy or sell during the end times.

In order to receive the mark, a person has to first worship the antichrist. You cannot receive the mark without worshiping him.

Receiving the mark forfeits any hope of salvation.

Hello Jesse, My work requires a few short nights of sleep and tonight is another one. Until tomorrow.

This website has been an encouragement for me in my Christian life this day. I wish all a nice rest.

Thank you!

Carleton

Thank you Jesse for the encouragement! I have witnessed once before a born again member that (I can't remember the sin) that had fallen into some kind of sin and had been asked by the church to repent. It was near the time I became aware of his condition that he very much wanted restoration, he cried out earnestly for grace and claimed he was not finding it. Time went on for awhile and he felt he was not forgiven. Eventually, might have been a week or two or a month and the church with the brother's desire, separated him officially from the fold. The same night he went home and prayed and found forgiveness and peace. The following day he was re- accepted as a faithful full member of the church. This event is at least one of two that I have seen with my own eyes where clearly there was darkness then light again after once being born again.

Carleton

Hello again Carleton,

I actually read through your post a couple times. My thoughts are that the Holy Spirit never left you, even though you may have gone your own direction for a short time.

I believe that when we stray, God deals with us. I don't believe a true believer can ever separate themselves from God's Spirit who dwells in us. I believe that when we go off in our own direction, God's Spirit is still with us.

A true believer can not stray for very long because God's Spirit that lives in us brings conviction.

Although we can break our fellowship with the Lord, I don't believe His Spirit ever leaves us. Fellowship can be broken but the relationship as a child of God remains the same.

I've gone through periods in my walk with the Lord where I strayed from Him. But I know His Spirit never left me. And because His Spirit permanently abides in me, He brings conviction and deals with me, and that is why I always come back.

I personally don't believe salvation can ever be lost. God's Spirit indwells every believer. When we receive the Spirit, we receive Christ, and He has promised to never leave us nor forsake us.

All glory to God for bringing you back into fellowship with Christ. No matter how many times a believer strays, He will always be there to convict them and bring them back into perfect fellowship.

Dear Vince, that is a commonly repeated phrase, but it's not what the Bible actually says. Paul said he would "rather" be present with the Lord. He didn't say that for 100% of all people in 100% of all cases that if you are absent from your body that you instantly 100% of the time will be present with the Lord. Link

The Bible says the dead will rise and meet Jesus, then judged. So those who misinterpret that verse then have to explain all the other verses that contradict that. So, no one goes to hell then? Because 100% of everyone is with the Lord? Even Hitler will be in heaven with you?

The Bible says several times that people will be asleep, awaiting Jesus' return. Link

God bless...

Hi Skip, Texas seems to be the home of many Christians. I have Mennonite brothers and sisters there who are a lot like me only with likely better Bible understandings. I would believe that I could at least understand a little about being a captive made free. We know John reminded the well versed that God could raise up Children for Abraham out of the stones. I believe I am one. I like any one, who has been captive or may become captive find comfort in God's desire to free captives that desire in their hearts to be made free. Coming back out of Babylon was the beginning of Synagogues for the sake of the freed captives having to live with less than they had before they were taken away captive. The same freed began to consider their neighbors and teach them by their own life story how God separated them from Himself and re-gathered them by Faith. Brother Luke was a neighbor that may have never been able to enter the Temple but understood the Church by the Holy Spirit's leading. I know my thoughts are a little outside of your exact question. This one part as I write, I feel that I have Peace with God and man, the best I understand.

Carleton

Amen amen amen.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. That's for the chosen ones.

Carleton,

You are correct if you're talking about APPLICATION rather than INTERPRETATION.

The Holy Spirit can APPLY a Scripture passage to your specific circumstance, but I am referring to the INTENT of the author, the message the author intended. THAT can't change. The reader ought to strive to first find the meaning that the author intended to convey and then go on to an application.

What specifically is the"Mark of the beast"

Carleton,

Almonds, walnuts and rice: sign me up! However, there are more Californians coming to Texas than Texans migrating to California.

I've spent several months in your great state over the years at Mare Island and Edwards Air Force Base on assignment. Even called some Little League tournament games in Lancaster several decades ago.

So do you have any thoughts on how The Holy Spirit leads your interpretation on Jeremiah 29:11?

I think many people have read a scripture and found more in the same scripture sometime later and later again. The truth is the same but the interpretation can speak to the current condition of the person reading or listening. Spoken Gospel messages and Gospel Songs are the same way. The Holy Spirit reveals what we can understand at the moment. No two persons are in the exact same place at the same time hearing or reading scriptures. The scriptures are not limited by time or space, the Word of God is eternal.

Come on over Skip, or perhaps visit with some of my brethren closer by. I am in Northern California in the farm area, almonds, walnuts and rice.

Hi carleton ,brotherly love is a serious business ! Jesus takes it very seriously and we ought to also ,we can all do better at it ,1st John ch 3 v10-24 ,i dont find it easy to love ,im not the most warm hearted person but i know that when i communicate with another Christian im talking to someone who Jesus loves very much and i also know that Jesus is listening so i better be on my best behaviour !

Hi Jesse, I can give an example of my early Christian life prior to marriage. I was likely 33 at the time. I fell back into a willing what I call death sin and lost my peace and fulness of the Holy Ghost. It was more like the Holy Ghost was back outside of me pleading for my return. As you mentioned Jesse I had to find complete repentance for the full restoration of the Holy Ghost leading and protecting me from inside myself. It is a much more difficult path to find restoration than the original born again experience because I knew so much more. To separate myself from the sin and then to seek repentance was a real battle and it took me nearly six months to find the grace to separate and truly repent. As far as the lost state, I believe the call to repentance by Jesus through the Holy Ghost was persistant and always nearby. However I knew if I did not return to my earlier state of the Indwelling Holy Spirit I was lost, and perhaps in worse condition that my pre-born again condition. I hope this experience is helpful to someone out there.

Carleton

Oops, my last post went off sooner than I anticipated. But I'll leave it there for now.

But "true believers" differ on lots of points of doctrine and practice that are not the MAIN and PLAIN things. I'm positive that if you and I were to have a friendly discussion about our views of Christianity, were would disagree on some points. Although I have strong opinions about lots of doctrines, I grant that on some things I could be wrong.

There is ONE correct interpretation, the one that the author and Author intended. THAT is what we attempt to do.

What do you think of this for direction from God?

"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." Jer 29:11

Don,

Sin after salvation does not cancel out salvation. If that were the case, we would have to be saved over and over again. When we are saved, we enter into a permanent relationship with Jesus Christ. I believe what happens when a saved believer commits an act of sin, the believer's fellowship with Christ is disrupted until we confess and repent of that sin, but our relationship as a son/daughter with Christ never changes.

If you are saved now, God's Spirit has sealed your spirit, and it by His grace that you will endure in your salvation until He comes to redeem His possession, which is you and I.

Bil,

The key is found in Matthew 15:19. Jesus said it is out of the heart that murders come from. He's telling the Jews that it is nice that you can control yourself in society and not kill people, but you are still angry and God sees it as murder.

Matthew 5:21-26 gives us the correct understanding of murder. Verse 21 is a Key Verse brought over from Exodus 20:13.

Jesus said, "You have heard," and then He says in Verse 22 "but I say to you." Now that's trouble because He says "You have heard." And so He is making reference to murder and about killing.

He says "You have heard that it was said by them of old times, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you."

It sounds like He is canceling it out, but He's saying that this is what you've been told, but I say unto you. And then He presents three stages of anger. He says anybody that is angry with his brother, and in this case "brother" has to do with a Jew, somebody who is a fellow covenant member.

And then it says, without a cause," is in danger of the judgment, literally the judge!

Secondly, anybody that says Raca is in danger the council. In Greek, RAKA means good for nothing. It's an insult! So first you have inward anger. And then you begin to express it, and it becomes an insult, "you good for nothing!"

And then you say "thou fool," and if you say thou fool, that is slander. That's the Greek word MOREH where we get our word moron from in English.

So you go from inner anger, to insult, and then it comes to slander when you say you fool or you moron. You are in danger of hell fire.

When you say Raca, you are in danger of the council, the supreme court of the Jews, the Sanhedrin. If you say "thou fool" or "you moron," you are in danger of hell fire.

You see, the Jews never heard that before. They can say, "I never killed anybody." Have you ever been angry? If you have been angry, you have killed him already. Now, what are you going to do?

Hello Skip, The Holy Spirit will interpret the Word and Will of God to the true believer.

Carleton

This is a good verse

And how did I find my wife 26 years ago? The same! Held hands the first time as we were married, she did though give me a haircut about three days before in her parent's kitchen (under supervision of course). :)

Richard,

Yes, there's truth in them but also stuff that's not so true. We could include other classical writings by Greek and Roman philosophers that contain truth but all these, including the Apocrypha were never considered by either Jewish rabbis or early church fathers as Inspired by God according to the instructions given by God to Moses.

"And the LORD said unto [Moses], They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."Deu 18:17-22

Earl,

You alleged, "he [Paul] was taught by Jesus in the desert. Scripture says we are taught the same way."

I humbly disagree. Paul had direct revelation from Jesus. He heard and saw things that were not previously known to him.

"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Gal 1:11-12

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2Ti 3:16-17

Paul got revelation and wrote under the guidance of The Holy Spirit what we get to read today as Scripture. The Holy Spirit does guide us to understand The Scriptures, but exactly HOW is puzzling when you see good Christians differing on baptism or eschatology and lots of other doctrines that I would not classify as MAIN things that are the PLAIN things.

I would claim that when Jesus said this to His disciples, that He meant it ONLY for them, until they wrote what God wanted them to write for us...

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."Joh 16:12-13

If this was directed to us, The Holy Spirit has failed, and God does not fail. So I suggest that this was NOT written TO any other believers than The Apostles.

TJ,

Although we can't know for sure, according to how the circumstances unfold, we can see and acknowledge God's Providential Hand.

How did Abraham's servant find Rebekah so quickly? How did Jacob find Rachel so quickly? How did the Pharaoh find out about Joseph at just the right time? How did Moses get raised in Pharaoh's household? And on and on...

God's Providential Hand. It is all leading to the coming Messiah, redemption for mankind, the Glory of God.

Dose sin arter salvation cancel salvation?