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Annotated Gen.11. "Babel" (1 of 2)

"Therefore is the name of it called Babel."

God named Babel which is contrary to the name Zion where He has set a stone. "Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste./ Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies"(Isa.28.16-17) Every heart is set in context of it. So a holy nation is how God shall set up His church in eternity. Before we take it up let us consider the peculiar aspect of the imposter churches built on the face of the earth cut up according to strange notion of being one people and of one language.

God called the perverse mind, a doctrine nevertheless as the ecumenical movement of our times and they wanted to make a name.It was not faith in the word of God, the covenant between God, Noah and the earth, and it could not have lost onthe people. The bow in heaven everytime as it appeared said," and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh." Yet why did the nations persist but of darkness that clouded their mind? God called it Babel "because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."

St Peter calls believers whose mind is steadfast in the promises of God. "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light."(1 Pet.2.9) It is a personal call, so we have the book of remembrance where it is written,"And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her./The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there."( Ps. 87.5-6) This church when is built on the glory

Political correctness in church

This is what is likely going to be a lengthy series on the subject of what otherwise could be described as "conformity to the masses" and is based on current issues that have led me to a difficult decision to end my current church membership. Due to the controversy of one particular topic I find it best to circumvent that for now; although those who know me well may have a grasp on what the particular trigger is here. There are basic concepts; many of which begin with the "judge not lest you be judged" scripture as a stand alone principle which is taken as a blanket statement and ignores things such as are pointed out to the Corinthians in judging matters within rather than suing a brother in courts ( 1 Cor. 6:6).

A more general sentiment is the "showing grace" card which involves a lecture on getting the log out of your own eye; and inevitably (from my most recent experience) goes to the "not being loving" or some other variant of that statement which unfortunately my Pastor says is my attitude for attempting to adhere to scriptural truth first. Another brother of mine who is a Deacon also disagrees with me on this subject but "respects my convictions" on the matter; often expressed as an opinion without any discussion of the relevant passages themselves. Ironically; another friend of mine who is also a Pastor who had a blowup with me related to this same matter has made an attempt to reach out and restore the friendship with me after not talking for well over a year in this same week.

I'll be honest here; I'm offended and hurt-not in the matter of the particular subject in question here so much but a judgment that my motives concerning the spiritual health of individuals as well as how it affects the congregation as a whole means I'm "unloving" or hard hearted. I'll get into specific scriptures later; but this isn't the first time I have had to deal with this criticism in the church.

I have started back reading the Bible after many years away from it. I was baptized in 1987 when I was 10. I enjoy reading all of these informative threads. You all keep up the good work. I need all of the help that I can get. My belief has suffered for quite some time now. I'm simply not near good enough to go to heaven...

Annotated Gen.11.6 "One language" (2 of 2)

10.32"These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood." Nations fanning out on the face of the earth did just the opposite of what the Spirit of God, moving upon the face of the waters the earth was sought for economic advantages . 10.14 Canaan's firstborn Sidon prospered as seafaring nation, situated 30 miles north of Tyre; while the son of Sidon settled on large parts of Syria. It was not holiness but wealth that dominated their interaction.The watchword 'money speaks' explains the aim of the enterprise that spearheaded the tower project. "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name,"(v.4)

What confounded the builders? In order to understand it one classic example is in the deal that King Solomon had with King Hiram."And Hiram came out from Tyre to see the cities which Solomon had given him; and they pleased him not."( 1 Kgs 9:12-14) Bait and switch was then as now. Solomon's oneupmanship was in creating trust in the king of Tyre and what he got for it are different things. Solomon's palace and the temple would not survive the face of the earth thus cut up their money sense. Builders of the tower spoke a language that was like putty so as we see in legal jargon it let the more crooked off the hook 'the benefit of doubt it is called. Tower of Babel was one such so it had to be abandoned.

Jesus referring to it asks, "For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?"(Lk.14.28-29)

"and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."

This Chapter 4 : Defines " FAITH "!

Annotated Gen.11.6 "One language" (1 of 2)

Gen 1.1 began with heaven and earth, two spaces relating to the Father Son relationship. The heavens declares the glory of God, 'and the firmament sheweth his handywork." God sanctified it heaven. Here we have three spaces even ass we speak of our church and workspace as two spaces while our interaction with the world is done on the third space. Be that as it may those who looked there for signs, the hypocrites elicited this rebuke from Jesus." and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas." Without entering into the death and resurrection of the Son looking on this third space is in vain. "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven./How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter./Of such an one will I glory" (2 Cor.12.2-5) So there is a speech between these two worlds to which St Paul is a witness. From various passages scattered about the Scripture, to which I may refer the inaugural vision of Ezekiel, the speech is pure and what is the one language, holiness of God. "and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory."(Ps.29.9)

v.1 "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech"

God exhorts, "be ye holy, for I am holy". When God commanded Moses to remove his sandals off his feet it indicated the ground was holy. It is thus we consider our volume in the sight of God. Our heart a spiritual has an altar so our bodies as a living sacrifice must be holy too. Noah was perfect and Enoch walked with God and he was not. For God took him. We are striving to be approved of God so diligently we are at stations appointed for us in order to please. This faith is pure and there is a speech between every child of God with heaven. Instead the people are one. It is not about holy ground.

True Prophecy is history written in advance .

What do I know about " what really happened":in the garden of Eden ? By your reasoning ,zi can't .

But that is what the scriptures are for that we may indeed know the truth of it .

How do I ' realy know' what happened to the church in its history? The scriptures tell us in the first 3 chapters of revelation .

From " leaving its first love " to thinking " it has need of nothing " .

The Roman church I'm sure did not set out to become what it has. But it became what it did and what it is by not relenting even though God " gave it time to repent but would not " is that not what happened to Cain?

I do not nor cannot reject those true men of God who laboured faithfully and died doing so.

But eventually that church 'died' and was buried under the formality and ritualistic of Rimec.Save for a "very small remnant" which they persecuted mercilessly. Who if they had not been there " we would have bern as Sodom ".

Again I say Luthers revelation not of man but if God was the emergence of the true church of God in the manifestation of what every seed does produce after its own kind .

Which in turn was mercilessly persecuted by Rime also . It's never Abel that rises up and slays Cain but always Cain that rises up and slays Abel and very often during deceitful 'conversations '.

'While every Christian assembly has the responsibility .' Many and perhaps now a majority think that any 'version' is equal with every other version and despise or politely turn thrur back on that version tried tested and proved .

To the extent it can be said " all we like sheep have gone astray each going his own way".

We're every 'opinion' has equal weight but the Holy Spirit is left outside .

The new Roman leader will be very popular for while advocating reform will deceive many for nothing has changed but rather has become more subtle . How will he deceive so many? Because while many have the scriptures too many are versions of them but above all an over reliance on the intellect and of man's own understanding than on the holy Spirit . Though it will be denied .

"The Spirit of truth will lead its into all truth "

It is written of a time that things will be of such a deceitful nature " that if it was possible even the very elect would be deceived ".Well we are living in those times ;in part at least but it's going to get worse .

There is the body of truth . The scriptures .and there is the Spirit of truth . The one will not contradict the other . Nor the other contradict the one .

"The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life " if a man cannot be heard or understood unless he gives his breath or life to his words how much the more then of Gods Word? For if the Holy Spirit was needed to inspire men so to write in the same measure Hevis needed to understand what is written . For what knoweth the tnings of man save the spirit that is in man ? So likewisev what knoweth the things of Gid save the Spirit of God who knoweth the mind of God.."

But thanks be unto God what is impossible with man is possible with God and we can "go boldly into the presence of God and find grace and mercy in time of need "

We can do more than we think we can .

Our mortal body is still subject to the law of sin and death and as such if we are ruled by it we shall obey it .

But what says the scriptures? " Let not sin reign in your mortal body " we must ( an imperative) let Christvreign in our mortal bodies and if we do " sin shall not have dominion over us"

"If we walk after the Spirit we shall not fulfil the lusts of the flesh"

Which is why there is no condemnation for those "who walk after the Spirit ."

Again I say we have reduced the gospel to being but BORN again and as such no longer preach the crucifixion of the flesh in Christ . The cross is the only place for the old man . The struggle I have had and many do is still trying to 'live' . When we shouid believe zGod word that says " we are crucified with Christ" nevertheless I live but not I but Christ lives ( and reigns) in me" for it is not the body that controls the spirit but the Spirit that must control the body.

That is not just for the ' Paul's ' of this world . Indeed all those 5 fold ministries zGod has given to the church is so that " we ALL may come to the unity of THE faith unto the perfect man etc .( Ephesians) too many sadly are building their ministries than perfecting the Bride .

Let me be clear .I do not and cannot deny the great work what of men of God in the past have done . Nor do I think we don't have any today . Would that we had a legion of them .

But if the church is the salt of the earth why is the earth rotting?

The world is in the church and the church is in the world and we have changed the worship of God into entertainment and rely on a good beat and vocal ,histrionics instead of the Spirit of God .

There are storms coming the like of which we have not seen for over 400 years and still many are too busy 'celebrating' rather than weeping while our brethren are facing the wrath of the enemy we say " we are rich increased with goods and in need of nothing" while the Holy Spirit is outside knocking .

Hi Giannis. As concerning Jesus, the apostle states it well in Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature". Jesus, as Man, was the exact representation of the invisible God. Certainly his outward features would not have identified Him with His Father, for who has seen God Who is Spirit? Even in his boyhood or youth, Jesus would probably have been like any other child born into a Jewish family of that region, even as the Jews could only acknowledge His lineage ( John 6:42). Only after His Words were spoken, His Power witnessed, and His Holy Life observed, then some were able to perceive that this was no ordinary Man but One Who was truly sent by God, with Divine qualities & wisdom.

Could anyone today say, just by walking past you or me, looking at us, that these men belong to Christ & exude His Graces? Personally, I couldn't see that being the case if I was called upon to differentiate a believer from a non-believer. I would need to know more, to observe more, and hear more to believe that this person before me has Christ or His Father in him. Though having said that, I could relate another account, of my time in Pakistan. One young (21ish) Pakistani brother in Christ on my team of young evangelists, had an uncanny perception of others as he passed by them. On more than one occasion, I asked him to prove how he could tell whether a person was a believer or not. And in all of them, he was correct. And he confirmed this by then walking up to them, engaging in conversation and checking their spiritual state. This brother could just by looking at the face (for in every other way, the person appeared like any other) and could correctly say whether he was a believer. I don't have that ability, but maybe that account supports your thoughts of whether 'we look like our Father and Savior' to others, those whom we do not know. Is there something of our appearance or demeanor that reflects a life hidden in Christ?

So glad to know it was not your heart of lungs. Your body cannot function without these working well.

AS Chris said, it could be acid or gall bladder, or stomach ulcer, or even an infection in your chest wall-the space between your ribs and your lung sacs. It is good to look into it further so you can be properly diagnosed and treated and learn what you can do to improve the condition.

I am glad you got back to us. I was concerned for you and prayerful.

Kind of scary when our body acts up like this.

Adam, How are you doing now? Has your chest pain subsided? Did you see a doctor?

I will continue to pray for you. Let me know how you are, please.

Gerald,

I did mean on His throne, not necessarily on Jesus, but since we are IN Him it is also correct to say we sit with Him or in Him or even on Him. Either way, we do not need to nit-pick, but be gracious.

Gerald,

Jesus told John that those who overcome will sit on His throne; He called it MY throne as in it is His very throne and that He sits on the Father's throne with the Father. Rev. 3:21. I don't see what your point of argument is here. Please explain further.

Gerald,

I never said you said what you said about Luther.

I was speaking to what I have often come across in other believers as an attitude like yours that sees the church being corrupt from early times but that the Reformation began to set things aright.

I do think that this is arrogant because none of us can really know what really occurred in believers during those early centuries including their leaders and the serious ways they addressed a great number of Scriptural topics that arose within the church.

It seems that perhaps your point is that in your opinion that the first centuries of the church were corrupted terribly after Acts.

You intimate that the Roman Church was intent on corrupting the faith from early on. I think that you may not know as much about actual church history as you think you do and again, you cannot truly know about ALL that the Lord did within His church through this history. He has always worked in the church made up of true believers even if some were not true believers. This is true now and was true through the Reformation, also. So, I think your judgmental attitude is out of line and arrogant.

I do think that the church of Jesus was confronted with many errors and heresy throughout its inception and many of these were strongly addressed and refuted. But, even so, as the Roman Catholic Church began in the 4th or 5th century it has incorporated heresies that are given support.

The Reformation was needed and brought about a lot of good.

My emphasis was that people today, such as you present yourself, seem to think that they know so much more truth than the church has known through the centuries. Kind of like "sliced bread was just invented in their own lifetime". I think that the church has far more people who knew more truth than you or anyone in our time ever will know in their lifetime.

I can say that I do not wish to pursue this discussion further because it is divisive of the HS work in history.

Gerald,

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I said that it is virtuous to love the brethren, meaning we should strive to do so, even though we are in this life do so imperfectly. This is why we need Jesus and His righteousness in every way every day and the sanctifying work of the Spirit continually working in us to conform us to Christ. This is biblically correct.

Gerald,

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I said that it is virtuous to love the brethren, meaning we should strive to do so, even though we are in this life do so imperfectly. This is why we need Jesus and His righteousness in every way every day and the sanctifying work of the Spirit continually working in us to conform us to Christ.

Gerald,

You are right in that in Christ we are clothed with His perfection, but 1 Cor. 15 Paul speaks of our need to be given immortality and incorruptibility in the resurrection. Paul in Romans 7 speaks of two laws being at work in us-the law of sin and death and the law of the Spirit. And Paul in Gal.5:17 Paul speaks of our the Spirit in us wars against the sinful flesh in us.

So, my post that speaks of having imperfection aligns with the truth of what Paul teaches.

If one comes to me and asks me to give them something, anything I would like, then I will give them what I have got. I cannot give them what I haven't got. Right?

God gives us what He has got. And what is this? It is "Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance" Gal 3:22-23.

The devil gives people what he has got.

Mark 9:25, "When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him."

That devil was dump and deaf so it gave those to that poor guy.

Mark 5:5, "And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones."

The world has got " adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, dolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like"

When I read the Bible I am given what God has got in His possesion.

When I watch the TV or the tablet or the mobile I am given what the world have got in their possesion. It is not logical to expect to be given peace and love and joy. The world haven't got those so they can't give you those. Is it me that after I read or watch the news I feel down, feel depression? Why am I not expecting feeling those? The world haven't got anything else to give me.

So I you want to feel high go to God. He's got many good things to give you.

There are christians who preach the Prosperity Gospel. Tenths of thousands gather to listen to them.

But the Bible teaches many other gospels.

A. The gospel of Hunger.

1 Cor 4:11, "Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;"

B. The Gospel of Work,

1 Cor 4:12, "And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:"

C. The Gospel of Persecution.

Rom 8:17, "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."

D. The Gospel of the Servant.

Matthew 20:26-27, "But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:"

E. The gospel of Towel

John 13:4-5, "4He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. 5After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.

As well as many other unpleasant to hear Gospels

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "

For the time will come when they (us, the christians) will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

- Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

- Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

When one sees Christ it is like seeing God the Father.

Let's ask ourselves a question. When someone sees me, do they see God? Do they see Christ in me? Do I look like my Father? Children look like their parents, not like a stranger, because if they look like strangers, then they are not their true children. So what would you say?

As for what you call our 'imperfection' thatbis not what the scriptures speak of .

It does say we are made perfect on the way to perfection .

A seed that has died and brings forth it first shoot and two leaves is in of and by itself 'perfect' . But it has not yet been perfected and in all its growth and development it is still perfect or complete ( for only zGod is true perfection) untill it reaches full maturity .The mind is a wonderful thing and the imagination also . But we are BORN again with a mind that is often at variance with the Word of God and we have to be renewed in our minds and progresively bring our thoughts and imaginations into conformity with what the Word says . Is that not what Paul meant by we must all " think the same thing" be if the same mind and judgement"?

Not of yours or mine but if His ":who knoweth the things of God".

GB

"The wounds of a friend"?

Knowing a little of church history , you say it is arrogance to think that Christianity started with Luther . I did not say any such thing.

The church of the book of acts by leaving its first love opened the door to the Nicolayitons (?) which says thecSpurit of zGod " I hate" that then opened the door to Jezebel false prophets and false doctrines . That in turn led to the baalamitez .

Save for a " very small remnant" ( Isiah 5 I tnink ) the book of Acts was effectively buried under false Christian religion of formalism and a " form of Godliness but which denies the power of true Godliness " Having withstood the great persecutions of the Roman Empire she succumbed to its ' blessing' under Constantine . By the time of Luther they were debating how many angels could stand on a pin head and selling indulgences two a penny to build 'st peters' .

The revelation of " The just shall live by faith" was but the seed doing its natural function having found "good soil".

The church from them on has been a prodigal church having cime from a " far country" and has been progresively on its way to the Father .

To some extent it's still wearing its old cloths /rags but needs to put off the old man and out on Christ . But is trying to do so in its own strength and will .often quoted of Paul's struggles with the flesh willing but incapable of doing etc which is everybodies experience in some measure but not often you hesr " but thinks b3 to zGod who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ "Though many have experienced it in part .

But the scriptures speak of much more of "overcoming the wicked one ( 1 John) being " more than conquerors " what is more than a conqueror ?

Etc etc etc etc etc .

When we climb a great hill or walkable mountain at some point we stop and take a breather . Look back from whence we came and look afar for now we can see far more than we did when we started .and we also look up to see what still needs to be done

Fair enough but the scriptures give it measurement etc . As do other scriptures. And was not the tabernacle made with hands made after the pattern Moses saw in heaven? ( Hebrews) .

Is not a foreshadow the shadow that goes before the substance giving an outline of that which is to come?

The shadow passing away when the sun is in its fullness .

"I am crucified WITH Christ "

Not by your will or mine but by the Word of God and thus the will of God .

" nevertheless I live "

"But it is not z ." For our life is hid in Christ in God" . But Christ who liveth in me"

The old man is incapable of doing what needs to be done . The only right pkace for it is to be nailed to the cross and out to death . For our faith shouid not be in our own efforts and will but in Him who prayed that His flesh wouid not prevail but Gods will be dime .

That battle is won in Christ . Never outside Him.

Gods answer is the cross .

This is impossible with man ,but with God all things are possible to him that believes .

We are in this whole sorry mess because Man did not believe God in the first place .

Let us now do it in this place .

Yet Paul prayed for the Ephesians that " the eyes of thrur understanding may be opened that they might comprehend with all the saints what is the exceeding greatness of His power that's towards us who believe even the same mighty piwer thatvraised Christ Jesus from the dead " Now admitted I'm seeing it from our end of things but it wouid seem to me that io raise somebody from the dead needs a lot of power . Not that aI think God as it were broke into a sweat doing it .

But even Paul wanted to know " the power of His resurrection" well if Paul thought there was more than what he knew how much the more we?

But how can you know the power of a resurrection unless your dead? What did he say ? " That I might be made conformable to His death" If Paul thought there was more how much the more we?

I wouid suggest w though ALL the scriptures are laid out before us as in a great feast we have started on the first course.

And no little of " I am crucified with Christ " and while" "we are buried with Christ in baptism " we know little of that as well .

If then a little of that then the same knowing " the power of His resurrection"? Is by the same meadure .

For even with a little imagination to raise the dead speaks of a Power we you and I and the church save here and there and in a little of but by Paul need to know it's fullness and that continually "towards us ".

If someone says we do , I would say in the main we don't .

Yes we have been BORN again and sealed by Him " another comforter " but may I suggest that according to scripture He is outside 'knocking and "if any man has ears to hear and opens the door to them will .."

To be crucified with Christ ,nevertheless I live but not I but Christ liveth in me" is not just for the very few ' Paul's ' of this world .it is or should be the christian norm .

Not disputed yet here is the thing God did not leave those 2000,000 people alone . Thry had a miracle every day twice on Saturday . The fire and cloud to lead them. Their cloths did not wear out and so much more but they were not in the centre of Gods will but His let or permitted will .

Those 40 years God was faithful to,His Word but it fell to the next generation to DO His will .

It is interesting to note that thry did no work of God till they crossed Jordan . Elisha did no work of God till he crossed Jordan . Not even the Lord did any work till he was baptised in Jordan .

I day again .the church which is His body high by the grace of God our Father I am a part of has reduced the gospel to being but BORN again , getting out of Egypt .

We have been too long in the wilderness because the church has made its wandering and it's ( we must face it; unbelief) as the Christian norm..

Recycling the milk of the Word and rarely having the meat .

" Little children you know the Father and your sins are forgiven " Praise the Lord .

But are we not expected to grow in grace and in the knowledge of God ?

" Young men the Word of God dwelleth in you richly and you have overcome the wicked one" Now there is a message to be preached and taught !

But what if " Ye fathers you know Him who is from the beginning " 1

Much of what is called Christendom is either confused or compromising with the world concerning creation . How the. Can we come to know Him if we do not beluevecHis Word ?

And all those 'versions' despite their boast in their " better understanding" have despite it got Genesis 1;1 quite wrong .

Two men aiming for the moon but one a 1/4 degree off will by the time he's half way be miles out and will in the end miss it .

So it proves in Rev 3 they have saints sitting ON " His throne' rather than overcoming and sittingbIN His throne "

Did not the Lucifer want to do the same?The Lord is coming soon ,it's my conviction he has already left the building .

Annotated Gen.11.1" Word was with God"

In v. "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech." Here the POV is from the Word was with God referring to what went before. Gen.1.1 referred from the POV of the Word was God. Thus the man created in our image and after our likeness" are set as first fruits, 144,000 on mount Sion. First Adam, earthy and because of sin was expelled from the garden to till the ground ground from whence he was taken. Noah as perfect and righteous walked with God. Now with the generations of the sons Noah the earth is divided 'after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood."(10.32)

Here on the Spirit takes up the thread of nations from the POV of the Word which was with God. One peculiar feature is the angel of the Lord serving as ministering angels since it is last Adam who is the Word which was with God. Another 'mighty' angel who is shown in Rev.10.1 dor example intervenes as Abraham is about to slay his only son. Isaac is set as the double for the Word become flesh and it is the task of the angel of the Lord. He is the lord from heaven a quickening Spirit. He gives back the life of the lad to the patriarch saying,"for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."(22. 12)

God made angels spirits, ministers a flame of fire. For this reason fire shall play a larger role in this section.In perfecting the body of Christ the angels play an integral part. They are cloud of witnesses and the 144,000 are part of a large congregation surrounding us.(Heb.12.1) and they are fellow-servants so to speak.("For I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God"-Rev.22.9) "And he (the angel) measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.." We are heirs of salvation. (Heb.1.14)

Adam,

You should call 911 for any chest pain lasting more than an hour. I hope and pray you will be delivered from this concerning event.