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Jesus, now as Lord, stood in-between that Old Law that would soon pass away & the New Law imparted through His Blood and by His Spirit. Yes, Jesus broke that Sabbath Law, but as Lord of the Sabbath He had the authority to correctly interpret it and apply it, and even do away with it as would be the case, even as you gave the example of police breaking speed limits when chasing an erring driver and yet the police themselves are absolved of guilt. That doesn't make sense to us, but we accept it because the police are acting according to their Law & so have the authority to do so.
Jesus, the Word of God, as Law-Framer, Law-Giver, and Law-Changer is His Own Authority: maybe a Law breaker according to points of Law, but having full authority to interpret and apply it. For by His Coming when He did, that was the time of liberating transition between the Law that led to man's eternal curse and death, to a new life of salvation, blessing & eternal life by faith in the Spirit. Blessings.
The Law given to Israel was "holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good" ( Romans 7:12) in every respect, and its very nature called for strict unswerving obedience or face dire consequences. In those instances (of Jesus & His disciples picking ears of corn on the Sabbath Day, or the man picking up sticks on the Sabbath, even this woman caught in adultery), all required the death penalty ( Exodus 31:14; Numbers 15:32-36; Leviticus 20:10). So, the Pharisees could rightly (according to the Law they were under) demand the death penalty for that woman; though one could argue whether they even had the authority to make such judgement as Israel's monarchies and authoritative judicial system had long ended, and these religious leaders were simply self-appointed (spiritual) leaders, post captivity.
When Jesus came on the scene and not only taught Truths that went against pharisaical teachings, He also presented Himself to them as the Lord of the Sabbath ( Mark 2:28). Of course, Jesus' Deity is clearly seen in that claim, but the point of His Words to them was that as Lord, He had both the rule and the last Word concerning the Law. The Law-giver Who took on human flesh, preparing to sacrifice His Life so that God's Grace for salvation could be imparted to all who call upon His Name, was in the throes of ushering a new Law that would clearly reflect that Grace - a Law of Love, Compassion, & Forgiveness. The Old Law couldn't do that: severe punishment for any departure from it was certain. Onto Page 2.
v.7 "And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth./Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;/But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot," Both fowls in air are holy since the word of God sanctifies. For the wicked, prejudiced eye, it may be white Evangelical or ethnic minorities in terms of colour. If this line sounds preposterous think of what is institutionalized by the Christian world in a world 'a spiritual wilderness' where everyone of us is a bird of passage, and ought to conduuct ourselves as Abraham did. "By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:/For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."(Heb.11.9-10)
Thrice the dove is let out to investigate. First time "But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foo." Seven days it stays within and on the proof she brought in we are told that the fulness of the earth belongs to the Son. seven is a whole number till the word of God has had perfect working. Noah was the word was with God and the olive leaf plukt af' proves the Word indeed is Law. "The same was in the beginning with God."( Jn 1..1-2) The Word circular is made manifest. This olive tree from the earth tells the earth shall abide forever while the world and its glory shall vanish.
Thus the tree is a clear indication that the everlasting Covenant is restored on the dry land . Proof ot it lay in the olive leaf," whose seed was in itself, after his kind'. The tree of righteousness in Gen.1.11-12 is evoked here. The provision for plant life was on the day Three. Three alternating with seven as in the case of the dove is its incontrovertible evidence , "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus."(Rom.8.1),
v.6 "in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen." The Spirit gives us two clues as to the world condemned by God. The Law of sin refers to sin and death so flesh striving with the Spirit is on the basis of truth. Thy word is truth is the Word which was God. second is to do with mountains were judged as with the world. Later when God gives the Decalogue to the Israelites we read 'the mountain quaked greatly'.Exod.19.18) Whereas at the holy mountain where Jesus transfigured we read not a mouse stirres in that solemn occasion. The only conclusion I can infer is that the Law of Moses was given to the nation under protest. God has prepared under the Covenant everlasting, 144,000 as first fruits. The world, in short, that they would wander under the rod of Gentile kings are a boot-camp to prove them. "God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God."(Ps.53.2) By way of preface to the remaining narrative is in order.
And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
In Ephesians chapter 2 Paul is speaking to Gentile believers. In 2:13-15 Paul speaks of Gentiles drawing near by the blood of Christ, making of both Jew and Gentile one in Christ Jesus-called the one new man-to reconcile them both in one body in Christ on the cross, giving to both Jew and Gentile access to the Father by the Holy Spirit (2:18). Vs. 2:19 says that Gentiles (who were foreigners and non-citizens, are now fellow citizens with the Jewish saints , members of the household of God. Vs. 2:20 then speaks that this household is built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets with Christ Jesus as the chief cornerstone.
Lbooth, this whole section is speaking of the body of Christ and the apostles Paul speaks of are the twelve apostles Jesus called and commissioned to head up the church after Jesus was ascended. I do not read any verses that designate these apostles as any other than the 12 Jewish apostles.
In Chapter 3, Paul speaks of the mystery revealed to him AND THE APOSTLES. He does not say that these are DIFFERENT APOSTLES than the original ones Jesus called and commissioned (and OT prophets) He is not speaking of any new apostles that were selected instead of the original. (vs.1-6) Your claim that this is so is not true. You just state it is so because of the way you re-interpret Scripture to fit into your mid-Acts dispensationalist tenets. This is proper hermeneutics and misleads believers in serious ways. So, I cannot abide by your refutations and instead determine that your ideas on this question of yours is false teaching. I tend to think that you posed the question specifically so you could promulgate your false interpretations of Scripture.
I am not meaning to be harsh with you. I have patiently read and considered your many postings from a mid-acts dispensational mindset and have refrained from identifying your ideas as false teaching. But at this point I feel I must do so. You may think my ideas are false. I get that.
I will pray for you and your family in your loss.
My condolences to you with the passing of your Mom. It is a comfort knowing she is a believer.
Brother Chris gave you some verses that first came to mind.
Also, are you sure you're not thinking of John 9:31
"Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
Read John 9:30-41 perhaps you have these verses in mind.
Blessings.
Very well laid out!
Thanks and GBU.
Matthew 7:15
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
Blessings
v.6) And it came to pass at the end of forty days."
Here the Spirit is referring to the land which is neither dry nor is it the new earth. The Spirit is only referring to what is mid-air or a no man's land so mount Ararat is an disembarcation point. The new earth and holy Jerusalem refers to the endtimes. So man is basically set down as sojourners and pilgrims. Faith of Abraham is an example that the Spirit uses to instruct us in righteousness." By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:/For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.." This also explains the triumphal entry of Jesus to the heavenly Jerusalem or holy Jerusalem lay en route to literal Jerusalem. (Heb.11.9-10)
The Spirit is now continuing the Covenant unchanged and according to the Word oing its rounds. So forty (4x10) is a tag to indicate the time appropriate for the Ark to drydock. "And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged"( vv.1-2)
vv.3-4 As with the waters separated by means of a firmament we have two sets of 150 days separating in thie context as well. It is to the second part we shall focus upon. 5x10x3 where the Command number Three refers to the Son."
On the seventh month the ark entering into its rest evokes Gen.2.3) "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat."(v.4)
5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen." Here number 10 is the number signifying the condemnation. Here is the earth condemned. "by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."
So let's make a summary of all events at the end, concerning the Jews.
From 33 AD onwards Jesus' crucifixion the times of the gentiles start. The church of all nations is formed. The Jews although accepted Christ in the beginning, as a nation quit altogether the new faith. So their time stops there at he end of the 62+7=69 weeks. The time of the gentiles starts. When does it end? It ends as soon as the "fulness of the gentiles be come in" (whatever that means. To me it means the rapture of the church). Then the last week of the Jews starts. It seems that for the first 3 1/2 years (till the midst of the week as it is written in Daniel) the antichrist will not bother them. But then he will try to sit on the Temple (which seems to be going to be rebuilt)) demanding to be worshiped as a God (see Thes 2:4, "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.) and asking people (gentiles and Jews) to get his mark
Apparently the Jews will not accept him and the period of their tribulation starts. The antichrist will invade Jerusalem (like Titus did in the past) and destroy it, eventually sitting in the Temple as a God (this seems to be the abomination of disolation).demanding to be worshipped. It is probably then that the Jews will turn to Christ for protection. They have heard the 2 prophets ( Rev 11:3-12) and the angel in the heaven who preaches the everlasting gospel ( Rev 14:6-7) so they get to believe in Christ now. As a beginning 144.000 will be sealed (believe), a number either literal or figurative. God will lead them to the desert for protection until Jesus 2nd coming(?) when all ends.
Well, I believe more or less it is right.
GBU
"And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life./And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in."
Here the narrative is same as in the beginning. God commands the word and it is obeyed. "Let there be light: and there was light." Here God expresses His Will and in the latter half of the chapter it takes place. Two witnesses of all flesh wherein is the breath of life enters in the ark. God shut Noah in. It has the same finality as inthis verse, "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."(Gen.1.4)
Breath of life is the word of God and wherever the ark rests and God let him out Noah is an apostle to the new earth. God set Noah as the double for his Son, " consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;"(Heb.3.1)
v.20 " Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. This explains the end of the old world. Nothing more of it shall be remembered. "and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."
What does 15 indicate? We see the Word circular following Jn.1.1 The Word gone forth from the mouth, the Word was God and it is now dispensed by Noah whose soul and of his Son are as one. Now he shall serve as the Word which was with God. Noah walking the earth as an apostle set 4x3=12. Here we shall consider a verse to fix the signiificance of 12. "When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."(Deut.32.8) Noah is not of the seed of Adam but of another seed' and Seth represent the number 12. The Spirit informs us, "And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years. Noah was righteous as Enoch was (7+5=12)
"Three hundred sixty and five years" Five indicates the soul.
Objection: Eph 2:20 says the church is built on "apostles and prophets," so the Twelve must be in the BoC.
Reply: Eph 3:5 clarifies these are the "now-revealed" NT apostles/prophets of the mystery economy (including Paul; see Acts 13:1; Eph 4:11). Rev 21:14 assigns the Twelve to New Jerusalem's foundations-a kingdom symbol distinct from the BoC.
Objection: 1 Cor 12:13 says all are baptized into one body-doesn't that include the Twelve?
Reply: It explains the BoC's present-age placement by the Spirit, not a retroactive relocation of Israel's kingdom apostles from their promised thrones ( Matt 19:28).
Objection: 2 Pet 3:15-16 shows Peter aligning with Paul.
Reply: Peter endorses Paul's wisdom but keeps his circumcision apostleship ( Gal 2:7-9).
Bottom line: The Twelve remain Israel's kingdom apostles with earthly governmental roles ( Matt 19:28; Acts 3:19-21). The BoC is the mystery entity revealed through Paul, comprising Jew and Gentile in one new man with heavenly citizenship ( Rom 16:25; Eph 2:15-16; 3:1-9; 1 Cor 12:13; Phil 3:20). Therefore the Twelve are not members of the BoC.
Grace and Peace.
The Acts transition (why overlap doesn't equal identity):
Acts 1-7: Kingdom offer to Israel from Jerusalem; temple presence, signs and wonders, water baptism, and the call to national repentance in view ( Acts 2-3). Peter locates it in prophecy ("since the world began," Acts 3:21).
Acts 9: Christ saves and commissions Paul uniquely ( Acts 9:15), previewing a Gentile-oriented mission with a heavenly message.
Acts 10-11: Cornelius event authenticates that Gentiles can be blessed without full proselyte conformity. It is a sign to Israel ( Acts 11:17-18), not a merger of commissions.
Acts 13-28: Paul's mission expands; Israel's leadership resists; finally Acts 28:28 declares that the salvation of God is sent to the Gentiles "and they will hear it."
Historical unfolding means we observe temporary overlap in practices, settings, and personnel-but the revelatory center of gravity shifts to Paul. That shift unveils the BoC ("one new man," Eph 2:15-16) formed by Spirit baptism ( 1 Cor 12:13) with a heavenly calling ( Phil 3:20). Overlap in history, therefore, is not proof of identical identity; it records God's orderly transition of administrations.
see section 4
A) Apostolic spheres: Gal 2:7-9 explicitly differentiates audiences and entrustments; Peter stays with the circumcision, Paul with the Gentiles. Rom 11:13 confirms Paul's Gentile apostleship; Acts 22:17-21 shows the Lord sending him away from Jerusalem.
B) Revelation locus: Acts 3:19-21 ties Peter's appeal to promises "since the world began." By contrast, Rom 16:25 and Eph 3:1-9 say the BoC's defining truth was hidden until Paul-God's "dispensation of the grace of God" ( Eph 3:2; Col 1:25).
C) Hopes/rewards: Matt 19:28 promises the Twelve governmental thrones over Israel. The BoC's hope is heavenly position with Christ ( Eph 1:3; 2:6) and citizenship ( Phil 3:20).
D) Initiation/sign: Kingdom program employs water baptism and sign-miracles ( Matt 28:19; Mark 16:16-20; Acts 2:38). The BoC is constituted by Spirit baptism ( 1 Cor 12:13), summed in "one baptism" ( Eph 4:5). Paul even minimizes water rites' centrality ( 1 Cor 1:14-17; Col 2:14-23).
E) Law stance: Early Jerusalem remains temple-centric and law-observant ( Acts 3:1; 21:20). Paul proclaims freedom from the law's dominion ( Rom 6:14), the cross having abolished the middle wall ( Eph 2:14-16).
Taken together, these lines mark two divinely authorized, non-identical administrations within God's purpose.
See section 3
I'm breaking up my thoughts into 4 sections.
Section 1
Thesis & scope (Mid-Acts view): Scripture reveals two parallel programs: Israel's prophetic kingdom administered by the Twelve, and the "mystery" program-today's Body of Christ (BoC)-first revealed to and stewarded by Paul. The question is membership: Are the Twelve in the BoC? This section states the claim; later sections defend it textually, show the Acts transition, and answer objections.
Core distinctions (headlines with texts):
Two commissions/gospels: Paul = "gospel of the uncircumcision," Peter = "gospel of the circumcision" ( Gal 2:7-9; Rom 11:13). Distinct spheres affirmed by the right hand of fellowship.
Prophecy vs. mystery: Peter preaches what was "since the world began" ( Acts 3:19-21); Paul preaches truth "kept secret since the world began" ( Rom 16:25; Eph 3:1-9; Col 1:25-27).
Two hopes: Twelve promised earthly thrones over Israel ( Matt 19:28); BoC enjoys heavenly blessings/citizenship ( Eph 1:3; 2:6; Phil 3:20).
Identity marker: Kingdom = water baptism with repentance ( Matt 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38); BoC = one Spirit baptism into Christ ( 1 Cor 12:13; Eph 4:5).
Law posture: Jerusalem saints remain law-zealous ( Acts 21:20); BoC is not under law but under grace ( Rom 6:14; Gal 2:19-21; Eph 2:14-16).
Bottom line for this section: the same Christ is preached, yet Scripture assigns different commissions, revelations, and destinies. That textual pattern sets the expectation that the Twelve, as Israel's kingdom apostles, are not counted within the mystery-formed BoC.
Please see section 2
Romans 2:13
"For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Blessings
I have just substituted part of verse 27 by the Septuagint version since that is what Jesus said.
It says that after 62 weeks The Messiah the Prince (meaning Jesus Christ) will be cut ff (verse 26). And then goes to the last week (the last 7 years) when that person, which is called the prince, will come whose people will destroy the city (and the sanctuary and the sacrifices will cease in the midst of those 7 year period, and he will confirm his covenat with many for a week ,verses 26,27). And Daniel calls him the "abomination of disolation ". Obviously Daniel is not talking about Titus (or as some say Jesus) But his is talking about a person in the end times, the last week which Matthew places just before Jesus's 2nd coming. This is why the last week has been cut off the 70 weeks. Because there is a time gap from 33AD (the end of those 62 weeks) when Jesus was crucified all the way to the end times.
And that last week is for Jews not for the gentiles.
When do the time period of gentiles end? Rom 11:25-27, "25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins"
After the fulness of the gentiles come in. ... whoso readeth, let him understand.
GBU
But if we read Matthew 24:29 it says "29IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"
So Matthew tranfers those events to the very end of times just before Jesus' second coming.
So the most logical explanation is that the abomination of disolation was Titus but the whole thing serves as a shadow of a future event which Matthew places at the end calling that person "the abomination of disolation". Who is that person? The antichrist? The beast? There can be no other explanation than that.
So lets go back to Daniels writtings. Daniel 9:24-27,
"24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, AND UPON THE HOLY PLACE THERE SHALL BE THE ABOMINATION OF DISOLATION, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
... see pt 3
Let's try to find out who or what is that abomination of disolation.
Let's start from Luke 21:20-24,
"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
Going back to Matthew 24:15-22,
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
Matthew is describing the same events as Luke. So since Luke talks about obviously the siege of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD, we conclude at first sight that the abomination of disolation is either Titus, the Roman general or generally the Romans.
...see pt 2
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female./Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth"
The Spirit is narrating how the Covenant shall deal with man, upon the just and the unrighteous alike, the same Law shall apply; So unclean and clean beasts.wherever mentioned must be seen in terms of the Law of the Moses. After the nation has been bypassed God in a vision reveals to Simon Peter in what sense we are to interpret His creation allowed to enter into the ark. "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.,( Acts 10.17)" What the Law of Moses failed to obtain, the Word made flesh could.
By the way what role the nation of Israel does play in the overall narrative but as an ensample? We are on the threshold of another even as Noah faced,"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."(1 Cor.10.11-13_
There is no mention of Noah's wive or details of their homelife. but in terms of salvation,"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."(1 Pet.3.20)
v.4 "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."" What is the significance of 40 days and forty nights. Day is distinct as the night is. There are two lights to rule them. This sign does not change.(Gen.1.16-17). God's judgment is perfect so only as required of the Word which is the Law.(Ps.119.89)
"For yet seven days" The Spirit includes the whole number for emphasis.
v.5 "And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him." Righteousness.
What He did was challenge the false interpretation and regulations of man's traditions .
He also pointed out that the Levi's continually 'broke the law ' by ministering in the temple on the Sabbath .
There is a righteousness that is of the Law and the righteousness that is of THE faith . He came to fulfil both He said at His baptism . The police break the law when they chase criminals breaking the speed limit . But are not guilty .
We cannot fulfill the law fir "no man is justified by the law " but we are counted righteous through Him . By faith .
But we also by faith uphold the Law . How? Because by faith we are " crucified with Christ" . The old man is put to death in Christ .and we are then " buried with Christ" in baptism by faith . You do not bury the living but the dead and again by faith we are raised together with Christ " who was raised " fir our justification".
Thus in Christ we "uphold the Law".
No man can crucify himself it's impossible .
How was the Lord crucified? Yes by the hands of wicked men . But primarily by the Word of God ,by the Will of God and by the Spirit of God . So likewise are we " crucified with Christ " .
We rest then not in our 'good' works but in Gods good work at Calvary .
IN Christ .in effect Seated with Him in heavenly places .
Caine sought to establish his own righteousness by his good works and thus denied Gods . And in seeking his own glory sought not Gods .
Abel by his offering confessed his sin the righteousness of God and showed his faith was in the promised "Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world "
I fear many have similar mistaken views of the Sabbath also .
Other Scriptures could be found in Micah 3:1-4 and Habakkuk 1:13 These verses are found in the Old Testament and have little application to the Church today. So, I'm unsure whether your question is just a general one or you believe that there is a verse that tells us that God, for some reason, will not look upon us when we sin or is unable to see us when we sin.
So if your question was to the first part of my thoughts, then Scriptures such as Luke 6:13, Matthew 10:2, Mark 6:30, Luke 22:14, and others show to me that these disciples (Gk. learner, pupil) also named apostles (Gk. messenger, one sent out), though dear to the Heart of the Lord, were by no means a part of the Body of Christ (as we understand this Body that was later formed, Romans 12:5). While they remained & served under the Old Covenant they were simply a motley group of individuals, specially selected by Jesus to learn, to experience the Son of God first-hand, and to increase in faith and love, so that when they would be transformed & "endued with power from on high", they would be the very first 'founding members' upon which the Church (the Body of Christ) would be built upon ( Ephesians 2:20).
In summary, under the Old Covenant, though called 'apostles', these men were not "included in the Body of Christ". But when the New Covenant in Christ's Blood was ushered in and all who came in faith trusting in that Sacrifice wholly for salvation, those apostles were indeed the very first to be included into Christ's Body, the Church; and upon which we stand today, or ought to stand, without any reference to the Old Covenants, Laws, and ceremonial requirements, which ended at the Cross ( Romans 10:4,5). Thus apostolic teaching remains very relevant to us now and does our Lord's; when these are altered, as some 'churches' have done, devising their own doctrines, they declare that the apostles are irrelevant even denying their Lord. GBU.
I would like to share a few things on top of what GiGi has already shared with you but if you can please share why, you say this section is often misunderstood, mistaught, misquoted, and misapplied, that would help in knowing where you're coming from. Can you please share your understanding of John 8:1-11 and some of the misunderstandings and false teachings you have discovered?
Thank you so much ahead of time, and blessings to you in Christ!
Acts 17:2
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"
Acts 13:14
"But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down."
Exodus 20:10
"But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
Blessings
In Matthew 24:15 Jesus says,"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (neuter gender), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ..."
But if we read the respective verse in Daniel 9:27 in KJV it says, "27... and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, ..." which is different from what Matthew quotes.
If we read other English translations of the Hebrew text we also find variations such as
"...and at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation," (NIB) or
"...and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate" (NASB) or
"...and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment;..." (Mechon-Mamre) or
"... and on the kenaf (wing) of the abominations is one making desolate, ,..." (Orthodox Jewish Bible)
Apart from the NIV all other are quite different probably depending on how they translate or interprete the Hebrew Masoretic text.
So where did Matthew quote that verse from?
The Septuagint (grk version) says, "and upon the holy (place there shall be) the abomination of desolation,
The Latin Vulgate Bible (St Jerome's Bible) says "and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation" which is very close to the Septuagint.
So we see that Matthew quotes that verse from the Septuagint. Evangelists almost always quote OT verses from the grk translation, since they are addressing a grk-speaking audience.
GBU
I agree with GiGi and the Scripture she gave, and my answer is yes, as there is one body, and one church, they are the same, Ephesians 1:19-23. The Church began at Pentecost, and for several years before Paul, through the apostles, the Lord added to it daily, Acts 2:42-47, Acts 4:32-33. There is one body, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 2:15-16, Galatians 3:26-29. And as GiGi said, the apostles are the foundation of the holy city, New Jerusalem.
The word apostle comes from the Greek word apostolos, which translates to one who is sent out. The apostles were chosen by Jesus Christ to spread the Gospel and establish the Church.
God bless,
RLW