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what does it mean, "when any man hath a running issue out of his flesh"..

Are u not able 2 live a platonic life with this man ? In that case u would not need 2 get married ,if the answer is no and u wish 2 b one flesh that is fine ,God sends us people 2 love and comfort us and that we may show others love and support and company , is this man also a Christian ? If no think very carefully b 4 u commit yourself 2 him ,i am in similar circumstances 2 u ,i believe that God gave me the right person and that God gave me 2 the right person ,we r not legally married ,i have prayed and asked God 2 recognise us as man and wife ,u must b sure of this mans feelings 4 u but if u r u r allowed 2 find happiness and comfort ,God does not want us 2 b miserable and lonely ,pray and wait patiently 4 the answer ,it will come .

Jobs offspring were worshippers of God as was Job,as such they were not afraid of death ,we r allowed 2 b sad when some one dies as was Job but 2 a true believer such as Job and his family ,death means nothing except sadness that u can no longer see or hear or b with that person in this life .

Finally, Apostle Paul warned Christians against their enemies of whom he described as "spiritual wickedness in high places" ( Eph. 6:12). This expression describes, and includes, generally all the myriads of demonic personalities without the distinction of hierarchic ranks.

This "wickedness" occurs in "high places". Since the word "places" is not in the Greek manuscripts, the King James Translators appropriately added it in italics for translative clarity.

The word "high" is an adjective translated from the Greek compound adjective root "" (transliterated "epouranios"; pronounced "ep-oo-RAN-ee-os") which combines two words:

1st, the Greek preposition "" (transliterated "epi"; pronounced "ep-EE"), meaning "over" or "upon";

2nd, the Greek noun "" (transliterated "ouranos"; pronounced "oo-ran-OS") translated "heaven" in the New Testament.

The Bible speaks of multiple heavens generally (e.g. Eph. 4:10; "all heavens"), and three heavens specifically (e.g. 2Cor. 12:2):

1st, The earth's atmosphere;

2nd, Outer space occupied by the sun, moon, planets, and stars;

3rd, The abode of JEHOVAH GOD.

Here, this "high places" wherein this "spiritual wickedness" exists identifies first, the earth's atmosphere, and second, the earth's celestial heavens, both described by Paul as "the whole creation [which] groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now" ( Rom. 8:22).

The same Greek adjective, here translated "high places", also translates into the very positive expression, "heavenly places", four other times, and only in Ephesians (1:3 & 20; 2:6; 3:10).

Angels always obey God ,u say they have free will but i am not convinced ,that would mean they r capable of sin ,i dont believe angels can sin ,they r not humans ,sin is very much a human perogative .

Additionally besides the "principalities" and "powers", Apostle Paul warned Christians concerning the enemies which he described as "rulers of the darkness of this world" ( Eph. 6:12). The word "rulers" (note the plurality) translates from the Greek compound noun "" (transliterated "kosmokrator"; pronounced "kos-mo-KRAT-ore"), which literally means "world rulers". These rulers fall directly in the hierarchic chain of command under the authority of demonic principalities and powers.

"Kosmokrator" combines two Greek words:

1st, The Greek noun "" (transliterated "kosmos"; pronounced "KOS-mos") derives the English noun "cosmos," meaning the created universe in its entirety. "Cosmos" refers to the natural fallen world that presently exists under the curse. Here, "cosmos" describes:

+ The actual planet we call "earth" (Ac. 17:24);

+ The arrangement, order, and nature of the physical world ( 1Jn. 5:4);

+ The planet's human race ( Mt. 5:14, 16);

+ The world's affairs and the process of conducting them ( Jn. 8:23).

2nd, The Greek verb "" (transliterated "krateo"; pronounced "krat-EH-o") means these demonic personalities rule over their delegated dominions around the world much like dictators rule by decree over their nations.

Note that these "rulers" are especially sinister in nature for they rule "of the darkness" ( Eph. 6:12). Contextually, this darkness is spiritual in nature subjected to the rule of demonic personalities and describes:

+ spiritual ignorance and unbelief (e.g. Isa. 9:2; Mt. 6:23; 1Jn. 1:5-9; 2:8-11);

+ spiritual deception in false doctrines (e.g. Ac. 26:18; 1Cor. 4:5-6; 1Thes. 5:4-5; 1Pet. 2:9);

+ evil lifestyles (e.g. Jn. 3:19; 12:46; Rom. 13:12; Eph. 5:11);

+ the evil realm of Satan and demons (e.g. Lu. 22:53; Eph. 6:12; 2Pet. 2:4; Jude v.6).

Note, these "rulers" are Satanic in nature and either influence or possess their target humans "taken captive by him at hi ( 2Tim. 2:26).

She was in Moab, Moabite

The "principalities" of which Apostle Paul identified in Ephesians 6:2 translates from the Greek noun root "" (transliterated "arche"; pronounced "ar-KHAY"), and derives the English element "arch - " meaning "chief", or the first, principal, and highest position.

The term "principalities" (plural) surely describe demonic archangels counterpart to "Michael the archangel" (Jude v.9). These demonic principalities hold the highest positions of power and authority immediately under Satan.

Satan, identified as "the devil" (v.11), is the chief principality of this world, for CHRIST titled him "the prince {Greek noun "archon"} of this world" ( Jn. 12:31; 14:30; 16:11).

Next Paul identified supernatural "powers" ( Eph. 6:12) as the enemies of GOD's people, and of whom we must resist. Here, the term "powers" translates from the Greek noun root "" (transliterated "exousia"; pronounced "ex-oo-SEE-ah"), meaning the demonic personalities described as "powers" wield delegated, unrestricted authoritative power. These powers fall directly in the hierarchic chain of command under the authority of demonic principalities.

In Ephesians 6:12, the word "wrestle" describes a contest of physical strength whereby the winner throws his opponent off his feet and pins him to the mat.

Contextually, this wrestling is spiritual rather than physical as verse twelve explains. It is a spiritual fight to the death! Paul often described the Christians' warfare exemplified by games of contest such as:

+ footraces-

( 1Cor. 9:24 & 26) "they which run in a race run all, I therefore so run"

( Gal. 2:2) "lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain"

( Gal. 5:7) "Ye did run well"

( Php. 2:16) "I have not run in vain"

+ gymnastic strength and endurance-

( Php. 3:14) "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of GOD"

+ boxing-

( 1Cor. 9:26) "so fight I, not as one that beateth the air"

+ physical grappling-

( 2Tim. 2:5) "if a man also strive for masteries"

( 2Tim. 4:7) "I have fought a good fight"

(Jude v.3) "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints"

Thanks Chris, That is the simplest way to get to the source of this debate I've heard. I think we also with our finite minds we look at the word son and we associate it with what we know in relationship to that word whether biologically or adoption in view of rank, but in the spiritual we have limited knowledge and full understanding of words and quotes like manifested, "In the fathers bosom" "I the beginning was the word" now if you associate that with Alfa and Omega you know that he has no beginning. "Me and my father are one" "Thought it not robbery to be equal with God" " You seen me you've seen the father " many many other Quotes. and these are by the Author of the inspired scripture not the reader. How do you debate and quarrel with the reader. Its funny how both views have no problem accepting the Holyspirit as a devine being just by one word. "HE" but quarrel over the volume of the book expressing the diety of Chist. The answer to the question doesn't bring you salvation.

Hiya Steven and Chris no pun intented what i was impling is that Chris was saying that water baptism H20 makes our conscience clean which is not so we are made Clean our Conscience BY the WATER of the WORD which is Baptism of the H.G. That living water, baptism of the H.G the well of water that springs up unto everlasting life not h20 baptism . Remember Jesus Knew that all of his disciples had been washed, water baptised but he warns them IF I WASH THEE NOT YOU WILL HAVE NO PART WITH ME Which is baptism of the H.G. the water of the LIVING word ,you are made CLEAN BY THE WORD I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU which is H.G BAPTISM. NOT WATER BAPTISM AS THEY ALL HAD BEEN WATER BAPTISED PREVIOUSLY. But Jesus tells his own disciples that had been water baptised IF i wash thee not you will have NOPART with me which speaks volumes of a greater baptism of the blood th BAPTISM OF THE H.G. THE CROSS. that baptism OF Promise. That makes the blood of no effect to say that water baptism can cleanse our conscience its like saying the Blood of the Cross was insufficent . Thats y the Lord was so upset with PETER SAYING THEY WERE NOT CLEAN YET THEY STILL NEEDED WATER BAPTISM IN ACTS 10. And God showed peter in a trance that what i have made clean( God was baptising folks with the H.G. that resulted from the blood) The only cleanser, do not call common or unclean. K

Comments by Alex about Isaiah 11 Isaiah said there shall come a rod outta of the stem of Jesse which was David the Son and a branch shall grow out of his roots which was Solomon the Granson .And God wd not let David the son build that great temple He wd only let Solomon the Granson build the Temple And Solomon means Comforter as the H.G is the Comforter that is gona make our bodies his Temple as the scripture says our bodies are the temple of the H.G. Thus a greater then Solomon is here which is the H.G. the Comforter. And thus we see the Trinity as a Kingdom where the great king is the Granson the H.G THE COMFORTER A GREATER THEN Solomon that is gonna build a temple in Our hearts. Behold the Kingdom of God is with in you. k

Why would a loving God "create darkness" and "disaster"? ( Isaiah 45:7)

7 I form the light and create darkness,

I bring prosperity and create disaster;

I, the Lord, do all these things. (NIV)

Comments by Alex about the trinity which is very simply even a 5 yr old can easily see it. When God told Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob and my memorial to ALL generations implies his kingdom is a trinity scenario a family aka as the family of God . And from this family came the nation of Israel the multiplication of Abrahams seed. The very fact that we have a Father and a Son begs the question of a Granson ( THE H.G. ) that comes out of Christ loins his seed etc. and an ISRAEL OF GOD the multiplIcation of CHRIST via his seed. When God swore by himself that Christ wd be multiplied as the STARS OF Heaven thats the Israel of God , the CHILDREN OF Promise . That will come outa of Christ precious seed the LIVING WORD . You ppl that gag at 3 are gonna be sick when ya see that Christ THE Absolute SON is gonna be multiplied as the Stars of heaven. Remember Jesus multiplies after the God kind not the human kind. when he said to whom the word came it made them Gods and that which is born of the spirit is spirit his offspring which is the H.G TH GRANSON th beginning of the ISRAEL OF GOD. Just as Jacob th granson was the beginning of the nation of Israel. Like i said a 5 yr old can see this father son and granson family type Kingdom. Humans are just the good ground where that good seed will be sown. k

We should not forget that when they were in their mother's womb they were fight. When they were born Jevon held the heel of Esau's foot, meaning, "Why did you come out before me?" He even from babyhood he understands

The rights and privileges of first born. That prove that Jacob has strife, jealousy, unhealthy rivalry and ill motivated. Jacob is also crafty and stingy. Jacob wants to excel more than his elder brother. For collecting the blessings meant for his senior brother, he was intrinsically fraudulent.

Finding hope in Genesis 6 and 7 . There are things Written such as 7 of cleaned beast and 2 of uncleaned but must take male and female of each even of foels 7 cleaned and 2 uncleaned then later it says Noah took 2 by 2 of each. So if he obeyed did he not take 7 cleaned?

Also another question is it stated 7 rained days flood lasted on earth 40 days 40 night then another verse said the water lasted on earth 150 days. Why did people say it rained 40 days and 40 nights so after then the water receaded after 150 days plus the 40 day and night plus the 7?

God's sons were returning to procreate because only God can do what he do and was Satan haddeas the first son who went against God then more of God's son Zeus all in the Greek mythology?

If Esau usually took his game catches home for the family, then he deserves to have his own share of the family meal. But if he wasn't doing that, then, he would not deserve or expect to have a share of the family food.

Unfortunately, the Bible is silent to all those unexplained background facts.

Esau did not make mistake. Instead, he though Jacob was making a big joke; to ask for birthright for mare food! He was truly hungry to a point of fainting, having been in the field for a long time. They were still living under one roof in their parent's house. Why would a mother give one child food and not keep for the one that was in the field?

Benjamin, you speak as one who knows the law? What does God want ! A lawyer or a preacher of the truth?

There are places in the bible where they use the word kill bur translation is murder.

murder is to take innocent life with evil intent to kill is defending life from evil or someone trying to kill you, good example defending house from intruder

I hate 2 think of u being upset by this verse ,we have 2 remember that even the levites garments were designed not 2 encourage sweating ,i think its reffering 2 a broken nose ,they had no way 2 fix it in those days so if your nose was broken u may be breathing loudly ,maybe through your mouth ,u may have a very runny nose ,these things such as open wounds or puss or anything like that were not allowed in the sanctuary ,also levites had 2 bit fit and healthy and reliable when they carried it through the dessert and had 2 put it up and take it down ,anyone with disabilities or permenant health problems would struggle ,it does not mean that God doesnt love them or us ,each of us has our place in his heart and we all do the work that we r able 2 ,please dont ever doubt Gods love 4 u .

Do you understand that God was before the creation of the world ? If you do then you would understand how the son of God Jesus has a special relationship.

You do not appear to understand . But that's why indoctrination is so bad people are mislead in the very basics .

Yes Jesus is the Son of God . No one ever could make this claim and God himself verified this . No further discussion needed . God was before the creation of the world , pretty simple .

I also believe Jesus Christ and God the Father to be two. Although one in each other. I do not see it ridiculous to say that. As Jesus Christ was born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. He is part God and part man like no other. No one comes to the Father but by Him. As I'm sure you know.

You can never be one with your wife as Christ is one with God. That is totally different. As Christ stating the words he spake are not of Himself but of the Father that dwelleth in Him. John 14:10 A husband and wife is not like that.

I'm not sure what you believe? Do you believe Jesus Christ was with God before the world was? As in:

John the baptist stating the Messiah existed before him John 1:15

The Word becoming flesh and dwelling among us as the only begotten of the Father John 1:14

Jesus stating "before Abraham was I am" John 8:58

Jesus stating the glory He had with the Father before the world was John 17:5

I seek my God I love my God

To Rob & Randy. Leaving aside Jesus the Son of God, as this is primarily where the problem of the 'Trinity' surfaces. How do you dear brothers, view the Person of the Holy Spirit? Who is He? Is He a separate God? Or a Force/Power of God? Or maybe One come out from God?

Why I ask this, is because your answer to this also defines who Jesus is, then & now. Thank you.

Does God commands us to marry our cousin

The Book you referred to is considered a part of the Deuterocanonical or Apocryphal Books that were rejected by those who formed the Canon of Scripture (i.e. the books we have now in the Bible). Those Books were rejected for several reasons, some of which were their authorship, hence authority, some glaring errors found within, references that were historically inaccurate, etc. However, the Roman Catholic Church has included most of them within their Scriptures & use them equally with the rest of the Bible. But by doing this, we then see their justification to pray to the dead, having Mary intercede for them, worshipping angels, alms-giving as also atoning for sins, etc. So, even though there could be much we could learn from those books, I believe with such errors found within, I have nothing to do with them, rather seeking understanding from the Scriptures I have now & if some answers are not learned, then to admit the Bible's silence & my ignorance.

After that quick outline of the Apocrypha, The Wisdom of Solomon likewise has shown some discrepancies. For example, in Wisdom 7:26, "For she (Wisdom) is the brightness of the everlasting light, the unspotted mirror of the power of God, and the image of his goodness." This verse alone elevates Wisdom to such a high level that even the Son of God might falter at it. Compare Hebrews 1:3 concerning Christ.

Wisdom 9:18, "For so the ways of them which lived on the earth were reformed, and men were taught the things that are pleasing unto thee, and were saved through wisdom." Whereas the Bible says that salvation comes by faith, a gift of God to those whom He calls, justifies, and sanctifies ( Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 8:30).

It is understood that Solomon didn't write this book, but was a writing from the 1st or 2nd Century BC. The early Church (& the RCC) accepted this from the declaration in the Muratorian fragment, which states that it was the 'friends of Solomon' who wrote this in his (Solomon's) honour.

I will state at the outset Melvin, that I've never fasted & prayed: I've never sensed the need to do so, though I do understand Jesus Own Words in this regard ( Matthew 17:21) & others in the Bible who have fasted & prayed ( Luke 2:37, Acts 14:23). There is no reason to not fast & pray, but when we consider these examples, it seems clear that fasting (coupled with prayer), is an act to make one more conscious & focused on the important/urgent matter in our hearts or in the spiritual work we might be called to do, that engages with the spirit world.

The opposite is also true: if you have a big lunch & its a lovely warm day, it doesn't take much for the body to relax & slowly drift away into sleep (for me at least). But when the body is denied food & coupled with a determination to bring our matters before the Lord, then our spirits are more centred on this & stray thoughts & need for sleep are kept at bay. As well, I would think that the Lord also sees the earnestness of our hearts about our matters before Him & we in a sense 'wrestle with the Lord' in prayer as Jacob did physically with God's Angel, saying, "I will not let thee go, except thou bless me." ( Genesis 32:26). And James in James 5:16 says, "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much", which almost implies that if we choose to fast & pray, then this adds 'weight' to our fervent, effectual praying. Does this make our prayers more powerful? If our prayers are then made in full faith not doubting, in full earnestness, in full agreement with the Will of God, then yes, by fasting, both ourselves & God are pressed into 'action': from us, focused fervent prayer; from God, being conscious of our appeal to Him & not letting go until we see His Hand move.

Maybe others here on this Site, who engage in fasting & prayer may be able to help you further in this matter.

The word 'heart' is a strange word. As you know, we have it in normal English usage & we find it in the Bible as well. There's no specific meaning one can give to it; the best I can do, is to say that the word 'heart' is used when we want to describe someone's innermost being, expressed in the mind, the emotions or in spiritual matters. Just as one's soul & spirit are defined in the Bible & these are the immaterial parts of us, so to our 'heart' is immaterial & probably serves to describe the activity of soul and/or spirit.

The Bible is replete with references to the 'heart': Genesis 6:5,6; Genesis 17:17; Genesis 45:26; Jeremiah 17:9 are just a few examples of the ways that 'heart' is used in the Bible. So when I wrote, "fully convinced in our hearts", my thoughts were on the combination of our mental & emotional aspects, whereby we must firmly believe in mind & display of emotional strength, as we stand against any that should come against us.

As a sideline, the Bible also uses the word 'bowels'. This can refer to our bodily insides ( Genesis 15:4) but also refer to what we denote to the heart, except using the older English expression. So we have Genesis 43:30, Philemon 1:7 as a couple of examples of that. I trust you can see the use of the word 'heart' (& bowels) in Scripture.