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Re.6: 16 The Sixth Seal: the wrath of the Lamb

Day of the Lamb is different from that of God which primarily deals with judgment. Consequently the wrath of the Lamb is different from "the wrath of God upon the earth"(Re.16:1) which stirs up for a battle, "to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."(Re.16:14). There is also a supper, "Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God."(Re.19:17).

In short between the opening of the last two seals there shall cataclysmic changes taking place.(Re.6:14) The blessed are moved away so the earth is left open for the events leading to the great tribulation and the emergence of the beast.

Judgement is meted out "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Thus according to their works and according to the book of life would indicate their souls also are judged which is tagged by 'in that day'. The wrath of God is upon the earth while those who live by the Law of the Spirit are spared. (There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

So we shall begin with this verse:"And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day." Is.2:11. Thus Adam shall be called to account. "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."(Ge.2:17). So shall all nations that vaunted themselves and who made mammon their god. For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty," We have a list: And upon all the cedars of Lebanon; upon all the oaks of Bashan and upon all the ships of Tarshish. Is.2:12-16

The opening of the sixth seals signals what is shakeable in heaven and on earth being tossed about. "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out."

John 14:8-11- Our Lord JESUS said:

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:

9 Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

John 10:30- I and my Father are One.

But,

no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him. Matthew 11:27

Luke 10:22 - no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal Him.

Momsage,

To finish up my post. Jesus was divine, being the eternal Word. This divine nature is united to the Father and the Spirit. It did not have physical characteristics as the human nature does. But in Jesus, the two natures co-exist. He is forever our mediator. he represents humanity to God as the perfect human and high priest; and He represents God to humanity in His eternal, perfect, divinity.

Jesus, being God and man forever, unites us to the Godhead and brings God to us which includes the indwelling of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in each believer ( Jn. 14:23; 15:4-5; 17:21)

The mystery of the incarnation is deep, but the Spirit does give us much understanding as we study the Scriptures, especially the life and sayings of Jesus in the Gospels. Hebrews is also a good book to read through as it speaks much to Jesus' role as our High priest, living sacrifice, and human brother, who is also our King, Saviour, Lord, and God whom we worship.

Have a good day. Momsage. I think of you often and continue to pray for you as I hope you pray for me, too.

Good morning Momsage,

It seems you wish to continue this conversation on this topic.

Every human being has a nature given to them by God that includes a physical body, bones, blood, all the organs and systems of our body, skin, a mind, soul, and spirit, intellect, emotions, and will. This nature is good because God created it. This is the human nature that Jesus had. The sinful nature is something Adam and Eve acquired through their fall into sin and every human being has this sinful nature, but not Jesus. He did not have any sinful nature, tendencies, nor desires to sin. His human body was not controlled by a sinful nature. However, He was tempted as we are, but passed the test and did not give into the outward temptation of the devil.

Jesus' human nature otherwise was as ours in our needs. He needed to sleep, eat, grow in wisdom, go through the natural changes from conception to birth, from infant to toddler to child to adolescent to adult maleness. It is not sinful to have these needs.

The Father prepared Jesus' body ( Heb. 10:5) and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jn. 1:14. His resurrection body was physical and had flesh and bone ( Lk. 24:39).

During the 40 days after His resurrection, He still had a human body and nature-He ate with the disciples, could be touched by them. However, His human nature was glorified so it had capacities that we do not have at this time-He could appear and disappear at will.

When Jesus ascended, He had the same human resurrection body He had all those 40 days. He was taken into heaven bodily. And the angels said that He will come again in the same manner as He ascended-in His body on the clouds.

So, Momsage, it seems that we have differing definitions of what a human nature is. I think the sin nature is an added nature to all humans except Jesus. But the human nature is the way our bodies are created according to God's will. Our human nature was made good by God's design. This is the nature Jesus has. ...cont.

BeBe,

I will be praying for your son's recovery.

Re.5:1-5 "Within and on the backside" (2 of 2)

The book carried blessings and condemnation which are rendered operational by the solemn action of breaking the seven seals. Compare this with yet another, which is a flying roll. "I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits./Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it."

In Re.10 we see the angel commanding the Apostle not to write what the seven thunders had uttered. Gospel of salvation has been preached. "Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not."(Re.10:4) As with Ezekiel he was to eat the little book. "And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey." For saints sanctified by the blood and are blessed it has no ill effects. "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."(10:9-11)

Re.5:1-5 "Within and and on the backside" (1 of 2)

Compare this book sealed with seven seals to the stone tables which Moses broke at the foot of the mount."And the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written." (Ex.32:15-16) This was the work of God, "And the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables." Now we shall compare another. "He said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll," which the prophet did eat,"And it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness." (Ez.1:1-3) Now we have the word become flesh who is represented by Ezekiel as the Son of man and Moses is the servant of God. Jesus as the Son, "But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end."(He.3:5-6). The role of the house of Israel is what a servant can attend to. "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever."( John 8:35). So the second set of tables was intended for Israel and which Moses was to write by himself. " And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." The everlasting covenant and the Decalogue are signified by 'on the one side, and on the other side." Since Moses literally broke it God did not revise His will but Moses was allowed to write the words of the covenant.

The roll that Ezekiel had eaten is "the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart."(2 Co.3:3)

Having compared two kind of tables, of stone and of the heart we have the bound book "written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."(Re.5:1) In order to indicate the authority we have seven seals and the Lamb having seven horns." stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns."

"Bennymkje"

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

Gen.2:7-And the Lord GOD formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his NOSTRILS the breath of life...

Is.2:22-Cease ye from man,whose breath is in his NOSTRILS: for wherein is he to be accounted of?

Now,even now,from now on,in this seventh and last GOD's Day,the Lord's Day,or seventh and last millennium,multitudes and multitudes of living soul will be cast down into the hell's fire.What does the Word of GOD say?Even Isaiah prophesied saying:

Is.2:12&17-21->12 For the Day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: 17-And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down,and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in this Day(the seventh and last Day).19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth. 21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth. 20 In this Day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship,to the moles and to the bats;

Re.6:15-17

15And the kings of the earth,and the great men,and the rich men,and the chief captains,and the mighty men,and every bondman,and every free man,hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16And said to the mountains and rocks,Fall on us,and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne,and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17For the great day of his wrath is come;and who shall be able to stand?

Fear not them which kill the body,but are not able to kill the soul:fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-Mat.10:28

Brothers in Christ JESUS

I believe all are looking for the Saviour, Lord Jesus Christ,who shall change our vile body,that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body,according to the working(not a magic,but a process) whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.In fact,we are waiting for the adoption,to wit,the redemption of our body,as JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36.Take a look.

According Ro.8:24-30:

24-27-->We are saved by hope:but hope that is seen is not hope:for what a man sees,why doth he yet hope for? We hope for that we see not,so be patient,wait for it.GOD searches hearts and intercedes for the saints according His will.

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love GOD,to them who are the CALLED according to his purpose.

29For whom He did foreknow,He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son,that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom He did predestinate,them He CALLED:and whom He CALLED,them He also justified:and whom He justified, them He also glorified.

31If GOD be for us,who can be against us?

(COMMENT:It's wonderful,but we must understand that we are not free from to be attacked and persecuted by the enemies ruled by the spirit of Devil,we wrestle not against flesh and blood,but against principalities,against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this world(world of Devil which we still are living in),and against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS in high places(high places? Ephesians 1:3-8)

32He that spared not His own Son,but delivered Him up for us all, shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

35Who can separate us from the love of Christ? tribulation,or distress,or persecution,famine,nakedness,or peril,or sword?

36As it is written,For thy sake we are killed all the day long;we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Neither death...nor principalities,nor powers,nor any creature,shall be able to separate us from GOD's love,which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ge.14:8 "Trinity:soul" (2 of 2) Continued

In the Father's kingdom it is the throne of God and of the Lamb. Three aspects of truth established as a memorial in heaven. Soul of man where the breath of God has impressed and how does the Son works with it? "The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit./ Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual."(1 Co.15:45-46) Remember the wings full of eyes, before and behind? Who goes to life eternal? Sons of Adam has inheritance on the earth(De.32:2) while those sons adopted in the last Adam are quickened for the new earth.

Coming back to Melchizedek the gift of bread and wine was confirmation of the blessings determined in the everlasting covenant. Because of it the name of Abram shall be quickened to a new name. "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee." (Ge.17:5)

Total sanctification gives the blessed similarly a new name. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."(Re.2:17)

They shall also sup and drink it new " I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

Ge.14: 8 "Trinity- soul" (1 of 2)

"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God." Melchizedek presents himself as the king of Salem and as the priest of the most high God. He represented Trinity the same memorials before the throne of God mentioned in Re.5. Body and Spirit was signified in his own person. What was his gift to Abraham? Bread and wine represented the humanity of the Son signified by bread and wine. As Jesus reminded his disciples," Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body."(Matt.26:26-29). As with bread the wine refers to his body. "Drink ye all of it;/For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins./But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom." Notice the expression, 'until that day'? Drinking it new as with the new song refers to the glorious body which is distinct from what the disciples drank 'unto this day' in the company of the Son of man. Meat and drink of doing the will of God while in physical bodies we do in remembrance of what we drink in the Father's kingdom. This is established by the Lamb slain who was worthy to open the book.(Re.5:6). The same in flesh was seen. "The Lamb of God" that takes away sin is how Spirit of the Father revealed it to John the Baptist.( John 1:29).

Correction

The first two paras of should be read as follows:

This new song is already set as a memorial in heaven. Compare it with the song of Moses. "And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb,"(Re.15:2-3) And the martyrs from Abel onwards (Matt.23:35-36) are singing to 'thou King of saints.' "and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." This vision fills in dots in the Jesus saying in Matt.23. So woe to ye condemnation of Jesus provides list of martyrs."Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation" and it is complete. It also dates what is the duration of the generation of Jesus shall be. (Matt.1:1)

What is the theme of the new song? "Thou art worthy" and " And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.(Re.5:9-10) When God breathed into the nostrils of man He made him a living soul For this reason Jesus told his disciples, "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak./ For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."(Matt.10:19-20) Simon Peter also by the same Spirit identified Jesus correctly. The victory over the beast has been determined and the body(24 elders) attests to their foreknowledge. Fo this reason no man may excuse that he was ignorant. Adam disobeyed and he shall account for his soul before the throne of God."

Re.5:9 Trinity:soul

Grace and truth as two pinions give total sanctification its wings. "And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest."(Ps.55:6) Our God is our strength. "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty./I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust." (Ps.91:1-2) In practice it is the daily walk with the Lamb who is worthy so he is the heart of God. It has a name: Zion. "all my springs are in thee."(Ps.87:6-7) When the 24 elders worship we heard the chorus as well."and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;"(5:11)

The imposter church has not heard it and had the ungodly understood what the memorial in heaven signifies for him he might lern to study the word of God himself to be be profitable. Those who hold truth in unrighteousness "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth./Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith./But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was."(2 Ti.3:7-9)

Re.5:9 "Trinity-Soul" (1 of 2)

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book," This new song is already set as a memorial in heaven. Compare it with the song of Moses. "And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb,"(Re.15:2-3) And the martyrs from Abel onwards (Matt.23:35-36) are singing to 'thou King of saints.' "and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." This vision fills in dotes in the Jesus saying. So woe to ye condemnation of Jesus provides the complete list of martyrs."Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation". It also dates what is the duration of the generation of Jesus (Matt.1:1)

What is the theme of the new song? "Thou art worthy" and " And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.(Re.5:9-10) When God breathed into the nostrils of man He made him a living soul For this reason Jesus told his disciples, "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak./ For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."(Matt.10:19-20) Simon Peter also by the same Spirit. The victory over the beast has been determined and the body(24 elders) attests to their foreknowledge.

Fo this reason no man may excuse that he was ignorant. Adam disobeyed and he shall account for his soul before the throne of God.

Truth that God imparted to Adam has certain color which is different in the manner faith is put to work. "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."(Re.1:17) Gospel of Christ when lived gives a quality that speaks for the soul of man. Total sanctification is not simply what one may live by his will but faith with works.

Just one point: Total sanctification

Referring to the four living creatures (Ez.10:12) we have another symbol to consider. Wheels within wheels denote the greater and lesser lights which are signs. (Ge.1:16-19) As signs we are to witness before the perishing world as well as among inheritors in the kingdom of light. Refer to the everlasting covenant "and to divide the light from the darkness.". This is to be observed in the new heaven and new earth.

The earth below the outer darkness is for all nations left behind. "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."(Is.2:2) The Ark of Noah rested on Mount Ararat. Evocative of it the new heaven and new earth the kingdom of light is in mid-air. "Flowing into it" must be understood for spiritual bodies but not glorious bodies. 'Exalted above the hills' reinforce where the throne shall be.

Human nature is the sin nature that all human beings are born with because of the sin of Adam. Jesus was born of a virgin so He had no human or sin nature, no human nature to take to heaven with him and why would He want to anyway? The verses you gave me simply talk about Jesus' relationship with the church. How does this show that Jesus did have a human nature and it's in heaven with Him now? Where did you learn about this doctrine? God Bless :)

Oases,

You read once more carefully what it is to be a living soul.

Final thoughts on "ministries" that cast out demons.

The first thing someone needs to determine is where a LEGAL stronghold is. Any unconfessed or unrepentant sin gives access to demons; and a person is not ready for deliverance. It is possible when someone starts to manifest that such counsel can be given after a demon is cast out; as we don't always have time to evaluate these things such as with Jesus casting out the demons from the men in the tombs ( Matt. 8:28-34).

We also don't have the authority to cast a demon into hell. If the demons could plead to be elsewhere since even they knew it was "before the time". That is found in this same passage also. The same principle of course is in relation to Satan who can't be "sent to hell" and isn't RULING there now. ( Eph. 4:7-9 and other verses). We also don't have the authority to mess with powers and principalities that God has temporarily allowed under Satan's hierarchy. There are things in the angelic realms as the Book of Daniel suggests in that regard. We appeal to Christ in all prayers and work through His authority; therefore we must truly know Him and ourselves be prepared spiritually to be full of the Spirit in such encounters.

I won't take this post to debate if a believer can be truly possessed by a demon; or just oppressed. Oppression is a very real phenomenon; and no doubt affects many of us as we go through life's trials.

As to my earlier commentary; we also need to beware of deceptive doctrines; and having a proud "religious" spirit. The enemy has a plethora of methods to engage in battle; and we can only learn from experience to detect these things and rely on the Spirit to navigate things until the one battle truly subsides and hopefully we are better prepared for the next one. Naturally; if we are truly doing the work of God the struggle and trials become greater; both for the Lord to bring us to sanctification and edification; and because we are a threat to the enemy.

How to overcome anxiety

Matthew 12:43-45 states:

43When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' On its return, it finds the house vacant, swept clean, and put in order. 45Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and dwell there; and the final plight of that man is worse than the first. So will it be with this wicked generation."

This passage would seem to infer that a person could have an evil spirit removed somehow; but without the Holy Spirit taking up residence post salvation. ( John 14:23). We are reminded of the sons of Sceva who had demons come out of someone they were trying to exorcize and rend them. ( Acts 19:14-16). We also could conceivably be reminded of those Jesus cast demons from; since some may not have been truly saved after that. We see evidence of that with the case of 1 leper that came back to praise Him while the others went away. ( Luke 17:17-18). We see warnings also of Christ saying sin no more lest something worse happen to you ( John 5:14). In that case it would probably be death as he had been paralyzed for decades apparently due to some sin.

We can think of the condition in the Synagogue where Jesus cast out a demon early on ( John 4:33 and following verses); and consider how the religious and self righteous piety of the Pharisees caused them to have this condemnation in particular.

A more sobering thought is many "ministries" today who are seemingly obsessed with casting out demons (in some cases it is proven the same person is involved over and over as a likely paid participant for crowd appeal). I personally have a big problem with one particular teacher who often baptizes people (and says is necessary for salvation) and demons come out.

We can hardly call someone in that condition in a sound mind ready to make such a commitment to the Body of Christ as Baptism signifies.

"Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth." Mark 9:23 KJV

"And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God." Luke 18:27 KJV

As a believer, I, believe God concerning your prayer petition before God, and that,

"... he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." Isaiah 53:5 KJV

"O LORD God of hosts, hear my prayer: give ear, O God of Jacob. Selah." Psalms 84:8 KJV

As a believer, I stand in agreement that God hears and answers prayers, Amen.

"And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet." Acts 5:2 KJV

A believer should not allow anyone even their own spouse to cause them to miss out or sin against God, as the scripture reads further both received the same judgment, although they conspired together, the husband was judged then the wife was asked whether their dealings with the Apostles were true and being judged separately received the same judgment as her husband. Each one had an opportunity to be honest and they valued their relationship above their love for God. The same God who created them both and allowed them to have a spousal relationship in the first place (not that only God provided for them to have the field in their possession). They put their trust in their relationship, by obeying each other and not obeying God. A believer should God obey first in all things, whether married or unmarried and this scripture is an example of that and how careful a believer has to be in their human interactions with others. Not just husband and wife, which is the highest human form of a human relationship, all human relationships, whether Mother/Father, Siblings, neighbors, employers, friends, family relations, any human relationship that a believer has, God should always be honored and obeyed first. A believer shouldn't choose a path or make a decision that is contrary to God's way.

If only they had the courage to say they did not want to participate or only wanted to contribute a certain amount. I see a lot in the bible about the human condition of failure to communicate. In this case, failure to communicate perhaps could have been based on pride ("the pride of life'). Perhaps, they sincerely wanted to give, however, both seemingly wanted to control the situation by privately agreeing to do something separately from what was agreed upon. We also notice in the scripture that nothing is private, God knows all things.

This question was in an earlier discussion,

"Does the bible support a women Pastor or Bishop. I know already that the bible supports women in ministering the word, just to clarify."

Based on the qualifications of a Bishop, I do not believe the bible supports a woman Bishop based on qualifications ("This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." 1 Timothy 3:1 KJV), however a Pastor may not necessarily be a Bishop and therefore a woman can be a Pastor or called to be a Pastor, I believe. In this scripture when the bible states a man desiring the office, I believe it is for a male to be a Bishop and not a female, since the qualifications entail having a wife and a man exhibiting leadership over his family and household.

A women and wife can be two different categories, although a wife is a woman, a unmarried woman is not a wife and is not subject to any man, only to God. The bible indicates if a married woman wants to do anything that she should ask her husband, husbands and wives should be on one accord in righteouness.

"Trinity- Spirit"

Trinity serves the Spirit aspect as a memorial. The four beasts carry grace and truth two pinions. "And in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." Significance of before and behind I touched upon in the previous post of the first table of stone that Moses broke at the foot of the mount. These were full of eyes. "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come./And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,"(Re.4:6-9) What are these eyes? "And seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." (Re.5:6) Before the outpouring of the Spirit we have verses indicating the spirit of Christ has been sent. I Pe.1:9-12 Receiving the end of your faith is the salvation of your souls. This refers to Adam's sin. God forbade him the fruit and his judgment was set in that day. "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Ge.2:17) This refers to truth. Law came by Moses but by Jesus Christ came grace and truth. So unto this and in that day have before and behind. Spirit of Christ belongs to before ('who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you) and grace after his Advent(but unto us they did minister the things').

Thus these two wings with full of eyes are again employed in the inaugural vision of Ezekiel, in the wheels within wheels of the living creatures, full of eyes. This is modified in Ez.10:12 "And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had." This refers to saints redeemed from the earth. Total sanctification is demanded of them

Hi Tdianne.

I would like to share my thoughts on archeology findings used to date some of ancient beings and dinosaurs ect.ect.

In the middle east just a few years ago, (maybe 3 or 4) there was an archeology finding of what was supposedly bones and a skull of a caveman over a million years old. The Archeologists made this assumption due to the settlement and depth of the earth during the excavation.

Then there was a problem!

They also found a coin with the imprint of a Pharoah in the same settlement that dated around 7000 years.

The unique imprint of this Pharaoh gives the identity of the Pharaoh and Archeologists are able to research the time he reign.

I find that interesting.

God bless you.

Jesus Christ is the high priest of our profession which is faith. (He.3:1) Read it in context, "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling," He is high priest after the order of Melchizedek . "Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."(Ps.110:4). On this basis what are we? "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father."(Re.1:6)

The next line speaks " Behold, he cometh with clouds," which ties up with the testimony of two angels at the Ascension. So there is before and after priesthood for the Lamb slain. "stood a Lamb as it had been slain,."(Re.5:6). Now let us look at the two sets of tables of stone given to Moses at the mount. " The tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written/And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables." (Ex.32:15-16)

The work and the writing was of God, the author and finisher of our faith. When Jesus came as the word become flesh, he defined what was the work of God. " This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."( John 6:28-29) This is what Moses broke at the foot of the mount. "and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount."(32:19) The everlasting covenant was not for the stiff-necked and rebellious people. The second set was the work of Moses "And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel." The Law of Moses is for Israel since God has rejected them. There is also another covenant 'with thee,' in which Moses stands as a double for Jesus Christ. Consequently necessitating a vail Before God he took it off and put it on when he dealt with the Israelites.

Israel cannot find help by itself. "Also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end."(Ec.3:11) Without faith in the Son it is nil

Good morning, Momsage.

I gave you my understanding from Scripture in answer to your concerns. I guess we will disagree on these points at this time.

Have a good day, Momsage.

Dear Bennymkje

In your comment you carelessly interpreted 'Adam as the son of God.( Luke 3:38).' Adam was created of the dust of the earth- Genesis 2:7 and 3:19- , not begotten, so Adam is not GOD's son, only his origin is from GOD.

John 3:16 - GOD so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God bless

Hi Tdianne.

We are dealing with two things here when concerning dinosaurs.

1) When were they created.

2) When did they die.

By the scriptures we know that the Lord created everything that was created. John 1:3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Also, by the scriptures we know that death came into the world by Adam's sin.

Romans 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

By Scriptures we know that that extends to all creation, even the very ground we walk on! Genesis 3:17. and

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

The whole world groans and is waiting on a redemption, meaning restored to its formal intentions.

So, this may atleast help us with the "when" the dinosaurs could have died.

certainly not before Adam and Eve because death had not entered the world yet. (Possibly the flood)

Some hold the view of a gap theory between verses 1 and 2 in Genesis 1:1-2. as a possibility when dinosaurs may have been created.

Would you like for me to get into that?

God bless

Just one point-spiritual bodies

"At Jesus' ascension, the angels told the disciples that Jesus would return in the SAME manner as He ascended. This not only means "on the clouds" but in the same body." I have merely quoted from this forum verbatim.

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."(He.9:28)

He will appear second time. But is it on earth? "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:" His throne of glory has a name, "Throne of God and of the Lamb." It is in mid-air.

" And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."(Matt.19:28)

Coming back to the ascension,"shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven," does not specify the body but from resurrection shows that spiritual body confused Mary who could only recognise him by his voice.

In the inaugural vision of St John he refers to his death ('the first begotten of the dead,'-1:5) but from description no nail marks are seen. Besides no familiarity of Master disciple relationship is implied which of course owes to the nature of vision.