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God knows man, man doesn't now God, however we do know something about God (..."we know in part...) and a believer can learn more and more about God.

"Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding." Isaiah 40:28 KJV

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah 55:8 KJV

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:9 KJV

People might feel if a person knows us or gets us we should know them or get them, however, with God that does not apply, He created us...

God lets us know in His word that we should fear Him. Due to man's human condition or carnal nature we don't even realize that we need to fear the Lord.

"Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling." Psalms 2:11 KJV

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23 KJV

"...I never knew you.." this scripture implies that souls are actually going to go before God thinking they knew Him and His ways and won't realize that until they actually transition and then will understand that they didn't God at all. (this let's us know we need God's help to learn about Him in our personal journey, and God can and will help us)

"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, ... Isaiah 55:6 (also Psalms 27:4)

This is a learning way, "God created us in His image" when a believer accepts the Holy Spirit then a Christ mind can be developed in a believer, so that the believer can learn what God is requiring of that particular believer. A believer knows what they know about God because the Lord has provided the knowledge, wisdom and understanding, all our understanding comes from God. God loves us and wants man (whom God created to be like Him). It takes time to be holy.

ECC 4,this was talking about not being alone because there's a word says,two head is better than one,in this chapter was telling us to try as much as possible to help others because that person u help today might be the one to raise u when things is not going well, also Bible say where two or more gather together my precent were there,so there's power in joining hands together, moreso, joining hands together brings quick and fast results.

Would like to add that the actions of the two in this scripture was about being deceptive by conspiring. Conspiring is when people secretly make joint plans to do something different than what is expected. In this case they conspired against the Holy Spirit which is in the church. I can only wonder the various things that could have motivated or prompted them to conspire, plot and scheme against "the Lord and His anointed." This is a good example of what a believer shouldn't do, however if a believer by chance discovers that they are in error, then God is available to forgive only for the asking or grant mercy according to His will.

I do have one question about the ESV and it's a verse I always look up in every version and every time I do I'm disappointed . What does the last verse of the book of Matthew say ? In the KJV Jesus's last words are , lo , I am with you alway , even unto the end of the world . For some reason every other version I have read changes that last word . End of the world is as it should be considering we know that this world , these kingdoms of men are to end completely and this , God's earth , shall be filled with His Glory and His Kingdom . So any substitution of the word world can only be confusing at least and at worst literally blasphemous . So , what is the last word of the book of Matthew please ?

Hi.

There's many reasons why we can feel a void in the Spirit moving in our lives.

Sometimes it's chastening or just being out of the will of God.

Other times it could be a wavering of our faith.

And then it can be pruning for Spiritual growth.

Sometimes God's presence is not clear or obvious to the human eye.

That's one reason why we are called to "live by faith, not by sight.

2 Corinthians 5:7.

The Holyspirit causes us to trust in God's promises such as Hebrews 13:5-6.

"Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me".

King David had to deal with Chastening and Correction in his reign as King.

But David knew God and trusted God and believed in his promises and mercy.

You see it evident in his Psalms 71:1-24 prayer.

Especially verses "20-21.Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

Thou shalt increase my greatness, and comfort me on every side.

We are to bare fruit. We are expected to.

John 15:7-8.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

There's things that hinder us.

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hebrews. 12:1-3..

GB

Giannis, so good to hear from you and thanks you so much for the prayers for my family.

Hope to see you back participating in conversations here soon according to the Lord's timing, of course. You are missed here, but hopefully your time away is filled with more and more of God's truth in Scriptures and more and more filled with the Spirit for all that He has for you to do each day. Rest in God in Christ, be built up in faith, grow in knowledge of our God in Jesus, and be given peace in your waking and sleeping Amen.

Jaz,

Thank you for your response, and I did not perceive your comment as combative. At this point I believe the English Standard Version is the most accurate word-for-word translation, as it is based on the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. So, this is the translation I use for study and when I am preparing to preach. However, that being said, I grew up in the faith reading the King James Version, and there are passages that I memorized that I still quote from the KJV when speaking and preaching.

Michael

Addendum

My point that I didn't make is that not sensing a powerful move of the Spirit doesn't indicate necessarily that something is wrong with our walk. There can be evil influences that are in the way we aren't aware of. Also God can be testing us to see if we have a deep root and trust that when it is truly needed He will show up. It is sad; maybe reflecting my own poor walk in faith that a lot of times we think we are genuinely seeking the Spirit to move when for some reason it isn't His will at the time. Oftentimes if it isn't sin of commission; it could be omission; or not trusting God that He will see things through when circumstances look bleak. That was something I was studying the other day in small group; the Judges 4 passage where Deborah has to convince Barak to get into battle mode. Other people's sin can also be an issue; such as when Joshua lost a battle after Jericho was destroyed because Israel had sinned and taken items that were cursed and specifically warned against. The collateral damage affects everyone. Again; that is why we have to be careful who we fellowship with.

If we ask the Lord He usually provides someone else to minister to us in our time of need. This happened for me on one occasion when I was basically homeless for a few weeks (a friend let me stay in a run down place). I had a few random people give me advice. Usually we need to abandon our concepts of what we think our needs are and pay attention to what He shows us instead.

Again hope that helps. Be blessed.

Agape. Rich P

Hope you don't mind me barging in attempting to answer your question. It is something that has mystified me over the years.

Getting over the preliminaries; that is making sure that we aren't living in unconfessed sin and grieving the Spirit; and that we truly ARE sensing the Spirit and not some other influence I will post several ideas.

First off; there are individuals going through struggles within the Body of Christ who we may never have met that the Lord wants to intercede for. Whatever a battle is going on in the spiritual dimension we are all involved as soldiers of Christ as I see it. Romans 12:15 says to rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn for those who mourn. There are often demons who are going after us as well as our loved ones or again; those who may be nearby who are also fighting some of the same evil forces.

We realize that only in Christ did the Spirit work without measure ( John 3:34). This did NOT mean for Him that He didn't have to endure suffering and a feeling of abandonment at the crucifixion but no doubt other occasions; just as Paul also felt many had abandoned Him. He had the exceedingly great revelation ( 2 Corinthians 12:2) but nonetheless had the thorn in his flesh afterwards to keep him relying on the Lord for His strength (verse 7 in same chapter).

It is prayer which helps us to garner our strength; and therefore equip us for the battle. This key element the enemy will do all he can to thwart as there is nothing he can't stand like the Spirit truly moving in a local body of believers.

There are people who are living in a lifestyle of sin who can also quell the Spirit. There are also warnings about not having hands laid on hastily as someone could be operating in a different spirit ( 1 Timothy 5:22).

It is indeed mysterious how these things operate; but if we learn to discern His voice and have long term obedience producing good fruit we will have these experiences more frequently. Hope that helps...

My guess is that unlike Jesus , who received the Spirit of Truth without measure , we do not receive it without measure . We are not exactly like Jesus , we were conceived by the usual physical method . Jesus was conceived by Mary through the power of God's Will . We see from Genesis that God only has to speak something into existence and it exists . We were first born of the flesh through the operation of human desire , then afterwards are we born of God's Holy Spirit when we learn and accept the Truth into our hearts through Christ our Sinless Redeemer .

Thank you for your message . I'm a middle aged high school graduate who never went to college , I can understand the KJB perfectly . I don't find it to be inaccessible or intelligible and I'm not the only one , it isn't a foreign language . Which version would you say is the most accurate translation ? And , how do you know that it is ? I don't mean to sound combative so please forgive me if I do but I'm genuinely interested to know which version you think is the most accurate .

Hello GiGi

I am glad everything went allright with the birth of your first grandchild Rose (beautiful name). You must be very glad. I wish God blesses her very much in her life and pray that all of your children together with their wives give their hearts to Jesus. I also pray that Rose will become a good christian because this is the only way that her life will be totally successful, both materially and spiritually. May God bless you all. As far as I am concerned I am taking a break from the site for the time being and hopefuly I will come back soon. GBU

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I certainly respect your desire honor God by using the version of the Bible that you believe is not only aesthetically beautiful but also the product of divine re-inspiration, and therefore is the authoritative translation of the Bible. As you are probably aware the Greek manuscript used by the scholars to translate the 1611 version is known as the Textus Receptus, originally assembled by Erasmus from seven Byzantine manuscripts that were missing a portion of the Book of Revelation. In fact, Erasmus had to translate the Latin Vulgate back into Greek to create the missing portion of the Greek text.

Since 1611 many older and more reliable manuscripts have been discovered. When taken in their entirety, they provide a much closer rendering of the original words of the New Testament authors than that approximated in the Textus Receptus. And therefore, they enable a more accurate translation of the original words inspired by the Holy Spirit into the vernacular of the modern reader of the English language.

The original purpose of creating the 1611 translation was to bring the words of the Bible into the vernacular of the English-speaking people. Whether or not we agree on the accuracy of the underlying manuscripts of the King James Version, we can certainly agree that Elizabethan English is no longer the vernacular of the day and is not accessible or intelligible for most modern readers. If the goal of reading scripture is to first get saved, then to grow in sanctification to live a life pleasing to God, and then to learn more about God's expectation for His people, isn't wise to access the most accurate translation of the Bible that most easy to read and comprehend?

Why do we feel the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit on others certain times and not other times

Hello Daniel,

I will pray for your healing.

About 20 years ago I had symptoms like you. I could not eat very much with out my stomach really hurting and I needed to stop eating and rest. It turned out that I had a few stomach ulcers due to H. Pylori bacteria. I took the triple antibiotic prescribed and the condition cleared up and I have not had any such problems since. I hope you discover what is going on in your gut and have a means to treat, if that is the way God brings you the healing. We just don't know, but we still pray for God to remove things that make our bodies ill.

It is interesting; in light of a study in Judges 4; specifically verse 6 (could be 8 hard to read my Bible in this light) that I had earlier tonight it mentions Deborah the Prophetess telling Barak about going after his enemies as if he knew something the Lord had already revealed about attacking; whereas the NIV states the narrative making the assumption that Deborah's prophetic insight was the initial revelation to Barak. There are things that concern the divinity of Christ that concern me in NIV and other versions.

That being said; I am not sure if this is a discussion I had with you or someone else who was insisting KJV was the only inspired version. In that I have to draw the line; the Geneva was earlier; along with Tyndale and I would suppose Latin Vulgate; at any rate there can be no perfect translation that makes literary sense from the original text. There are multiple numerical figures in different texts. There are also different Biblical texts that were from Africa; for instance. The original Greek; Hebrew or Aramaic have words that have more than one meaning at times; there are names that may represent the same person or city name that could be others (such as an issue with archeology); there are similar stories in the Gospels that may or not be the same event; etc. I am in agreement that the Pastor was immature in stating that just because it was an "old book" or something to that affect" that he wouldn't read it. The "thee" and "thou" words to me are unnecessary in KJV.

So I am sorry I can't agree totally with the KJV only crowd. I would say that there are certain aspects to truth that may actually be clearer in a different version; and more often when reading several different variations a fuller understanding may commence. We should be vigilant to make sure we aren't reading a largely spurious rendition; and at least very cautious with NIV. I think someone can find enough of the Gospel to be saved in either case; however.

Hi Richard H Priday:

I would like to ask a question concerning a certain pastor I had. You say: "How do we properly view a good Pastor or other leader? From my premise I have established that no man is perfect; but I'll say it straight out-no man is perfect." I agree that this points to spiritually maturity but let me ask you a question: What if your pastor tells you, in a private conversation at church, that he believed the KJB was just an old, ancient book and was "not written by God"? He preached out of the NIV and the NKJB, so I assume he thought the modern versions were and since I use the KJB only, because it is the one that is written by God,this really disturbed me. What do you think of him as a pastor? I believe he is immature and far from perfect because he is so easily blinded by what the world believes about the modern versions. It would only take a small amount of time to simply compare what the other versions say to the KJB to see how corrupt they are. When he told me this, just me while we were about to start our Wednesday night service it really bothered me and I left that church because I didn't feel like I could sit under his preaching. Up until I found out how he believed this, I would just follow along in my KJB while he preached from the NIV.

Filled with the Spirit-The corporate worship experience (Focus on laypersons)

Reading the first chapter of Philippians for a detailed analysis for a special Sunday school project we are doing in the short term I realize that elders and deacons were established fairly quickly in the early church. It has taken me some time to understand somewhat what each of these roles is supposed to be (elder being essentially same as Pastor; and Deacon I believe being a sort of "helps" ministry). Honestly I haven't been in a church with a Bishop so I won't try to figure that out; I'll leave that to others.

I examined the other day how the Ephesians church seemed to have everything right and lost its first love ( Rev. 2:4 if I remember correctly). It would seem although I couldn't prove it that new and excited converts may have been a missing factor. We are; of course admonished on those who receive the Gospel immediately and with joy but have no root ( Mark 4:17) in the first part of the Parable of the Sower and the Seed. Both extremes need to be avoided; joy is second next to love which clearly had disappeared ( Galatians 5:22). After all; there is nowhere that states that we cannot have continual joy; but as with a marriage maturity tends to make our perspective change as we delve more into the "meat" of the scriptures.

When it comes to interaction in a church of course it helps when a Pastor is genuinely glad to see congregants on a given Sunday; and especially other days of the week when they wish to discuss something. Again; large churches make this more difficult and the advice Jethro gave Moses to get wise decisionmakers under him rather than taking on menial burdens fits this situation ( Exodus 18:13-27). Of course it is good when we also rejoice and show appreciation for our Pastor. This of course has to go beyond common courtesies; and we should want to do more than just put our time in and check off a box. Unforgiveness on either end stifles the Spirit

Rose is beautiful and healthy and very calm and content for now. That is good for mom Vivian to recover from c-section. My son Kevin is handling her like a pro. They are so happy. I guess all those years I did childcare in our home while the boys were growing up pays off with their calmness and confidence with a new baby. Thanks for all your prayers and well wishes. It was a blessing to see Rose today, to hold her and to enjoy the moment.

Good Morning Momsage,

They got a later start to the c-section than we thought would happen, so Rosie was born around 1:00 A.M.

We did not see her or speak to my son because they were to be in post op recovery for a few hours and it was already 2:00 A.M. when he texted us with a picture. We will head up to hospital in a bit to visit.

Thanks, Momsage,

will update after Rosie is born.

Thanks Steven

Congratulations Grandma GiGi. I'll be praying. Please give me the news when you are ready, no hurry, but I'll be looking forward to hearing. God Bless :)

Hi Gigi!

I'm praying everything goes well.

God bless.

Richard, I know you and others on here are dispensationalists and we have discussed this in depth before. I do not feel any move by the Spirit to discuss this and I certainly do not need to set you straight. God will do that to all of us in time.

Our friendship is stronger than this one difference between us.

OK Momsage,

at the hospital now being labor coach for my daughter in law, so things may get crazy in a few hours.

Hello Friends,

My daughter in law is in labor and our granddaughter will soon be born sometime this evening I predict. I appreciate your prayers for Vivian and baby Rosie.

Hi Richard, I was merely listing some of the sects that originated in England and in the U.S. during the 1800's.

I do not wish to start a discussion on these either at this time.

Well; I'm only half intruding on your comment since it came later on a thread associated with my commentary.

Again; as always impressed with your knowledge; it seems after double checking Adventism and Mary Ellen White started in New England in the 1830s and 40's.

As to Dispensationalism; I'm afraid to start any controversy on the subject. I personally believe in Dispensationalism and Covenants as concepts; although with anything else I would agree that we can't totally sever different time periods as we find evidences of grace in the O.T. and law in the New; for instance. If that makes me errant; I suppose you can straighten me out if you wish (if it makes you feel any better I have been associated in recent years more with Reformed churches but not currently).

Okay maybe you can set me straight; hope this doesn't mess up our friendship...

Agape; Rich P

Hi GiGi: I'll be sending you a comment soon. God Bless :)