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You quoted Rev.13:1-2:
I see that John,the Apostle,as a Jewish citzen,one among the"sand' of the sea-i.e.descendants of Abraham,saw a Beast rise up out of the sea(rose up out of the Gentile peoples/nations- Revelation 17:15),having seven heads and ten horns,and upon his horns ten crowns,and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.What's name? Revelation 13:18 says:Here is wisdom.Let him that has understanding COUNT the number of the Beast:for it is the number of a MAN;and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
/And the Beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD,and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR,and his mouth as the mouth of a LION:and the dragon( Revelation 13:11)gave him his Power,and his Seat(in Jerusalem),and great Authority.(In this verse 2 is revealed the ROOTS/THE ORIGIN of the Beast of sea for those who looking back in time,even from when John saw the Apocalypse and we also see from these current days,but Daniel in His vision of the future Beast of sea he wrote that he saw 4 great Beasts that came up from the SEA(from Gentile nations),diverse one from another,as follow:
The 1st was like a LION,
and the 2nd Beast like to a BEAR,
after this I beheld the 3rd like a LEOPARD;(John and we,looking back,we see 1st leopard,2nd bear, and 3rd lion-Rev.13:2)
and behold a 4th Beast,dreadful and terrible,and strong exceedingly;and it had great IRON teeth:it devoured and brake in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it:and it was DIVERSE from all the(3)Beasts that were before it;and it had 10 horns(that is the Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-whose embryo was formed in the Roman Empire-in the 4th Beast)
I considered the(10)horns(linked to the Beast of sea)and behold,there came up among them(among 10 horns-10 tribes)another little horn(the illeventh horn will rise up from the earth-from the little Israel-a Beast like a lamb,a false lamb- Revelation 13:11 combined with John 5:43-47)
The vision of Daniel fulfilled LITERALLY
JESUS said for the Devil: Matthew 4:4 - Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the MOUTH of GOD.
Where is written "every Word that proceeded out of the MOUTH of GOD"?
Maatthew 11: 27 - ...no MAN knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any MAN the Father, save the Son, and he TO WHOMSOEVER the Son WILL REVEAL HIM.
1 John 5:19-20
19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD, and eternal life.
John 3:3 and 5 and 17-21:
3 ... Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of GOD.
5 ... Except a MAN be born of water(of the Word of GOD) and of the Spirit(the Word is Spirit), he cannot enter into the Kingdom of GOD.
17 For GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of GOD.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in GOD.
This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.
God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.
All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.
In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.
Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.
You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.
God bless,
RLW
Greetings in Christ JESUS
just to remember :
NATION shall rise against NATION ... Will be G7, and G-20, and UN, among other World Entites, DISSOLVED?
Get ready, yes, get ready
Our GOD is in control of History, nothing random happens.
Remember: Our GOD rests of His works in this seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium after Adam. By the way, GOD sent JESUS - the Word made flesh( John 1:14), He is the true God, and eternal life, and we know that the Son of GOD came (IN THE FOURTH DAY- John 5:17, take a look, or around 4000 years after Adam, even around 2000 years ago), and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is True, and we are in Him that is True, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and Eternal life- 1John 5:19-20.
Our Lord JESUS said: All Power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Our Lord JESUS will exert all His Power from this beginning of this seventh and final millennium to destroy the works of the Devil, to destroy the Devil's WORLD with its all kind of structures: religious, and economic,social,military, among other systems of the satanic organizations and systems.By the way, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ;and He shall reign for ever and ever- Revelation 11:15-18.Take a look.
By the way, one of the 7 heads of the MAN Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-10- will be wounded to death; but his deadly wound will be healed (but how? well, the dragon( Revelation 13:11, will give to the MAN Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat (in Jerusalem), and great Authority- Revelation 13:2), and all the world ( Luke 21:24 combined with Revelation 11:2) will wonder after the MAN Beast of sea.
Be careful and get ready
Well, Celebration of the Lamb's marriage? ONLY AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON. (see the site of purebibleforum)
Revelation 18:4- Come out of her,my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Get ready
In order to have an insight into the narrative mode of the Spirit we shall begin with examples. He organizes the narrative arc from the stand point of the divine Will and How it is accomplished. When a hand writes on the Wall judgment is executed the same night. "And this is the writing that was inscribed: Mene, Mene, Tekel, and Parsin (Dan.5:25)," and it is done,"That very night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed (Dan.5:30-ESV)". So God sent the hand that wrote the inscription (v.24). In short the visual sign of the hand is the judgment part of divine Will.
From John's Gospel we are told that "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:( John 5:22)" Having said this let us go back to the vision concerning the living creatures. "And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides;(1:8)" What does the hand of the angel of his presence indicate? Judgment on disobedient whether north south, east or west shall be equal. God is no respecter of persons. (Ro.2:11). No an hand was sent unto me. It holds out a roll of book or a scroll.
In v.10 we read thus:"And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe."In the Book of Zechariah we are given the Vision of a Flying Roll.
Philippians 4:8
King James Version
8Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Well done! It's me and it is done.
My name is Oseas, in English language Hosea, in Hebrew Hoshea, or even Joshua- Numbers 13:16.
You should remember that the Word of GOD reveals(the Word is GOD,self-executing)that"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron- 1 Timothy 4:1-2.
You are "asking for prayer for the world" because(as you said) "there's so much going on right now", but remember: What is happening it is the LITERAL fulfillment of the prophetic Word of GOD, so the most important is to be focused in the fulfillment of Scriptures as is written:"Woe to the earth(Israel)and the sea(Gentile nations), because the Devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
There is no prayer that can change the course of the fulfillment of prophecies, see what happened to Peter when he suggested something contrary to the Scriptures- Matthew 16:22-23.
1John 5:18-20:-->18 We know that whosoever is born of GOD sinneth not; but he that is begotten of GOD keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20And we know that the Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD, and eternal life.
Also remember:To every thing there is a season,and a time to every purpose under the heaven:A time to be born,and a time to die;a time to plant,and a time to pluck up that which is planted;A time to get,and a time to lose;a time to keep,and a time to cast away;a time to keep silence,and a time to speak;a time of war, and a time of peace,and so on-Eccl.3:1-8.
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry-Heb.10:37.
Be careful and get ready
The disciples showed JESUS the buildings of the Temple.(Oh how great,admirable,were the stones of the Temple!)JESUS said:See ye not all these things?verily I say unto you,There shall not be left here ONE stone upon another,that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus left His disciples disappointed with His answer,evidently.
What JESUS prophesied LITERALLY was fulfilled,the Temple was destroyed in 70AD,and Israel was banned from their land and scattered around the world for around 1878 years,from year 70AD to 1948AD,more than 100K died under the Romans's attack.
Israel was punished severely from year 70AD until 1948AD, they suffered severe and great punishments in LITERAL fulfillment of Deuteronomy 28:15-68, so 53 verses of severe chastisements and curses.Take a look.The WORD IS GOD,self executing.
After JESUS went to the Mount of Olives,the disciples privately asked Him two important things:
1-What shall be the sign of thy coming?
2-and of the END of the world?(the current Devil's world)
The testimomy of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy.He LISTED several events linked(1st)to His coming;(2nd)to the END of this current Devil's world.
JESUS LISTED SEVERAL EVENTS, as follow: Matthew 24:4-8:
4-Take heed that no man deceive you;(first concerns of JESUS).
5- Many shall come in my name,saying,I am Christ;and shall deceive many;
(Soon will manifest the Beast of the earth who has two horns like a lamb,actually a false lamb,a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR:- John 5:v.43 combined with Revelation 13:v.11-18)
6-And ye shall hear of WARS and RUMOURS of WARS;see that ye be not troubled:for all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet.
7-NATION shall rise against NATION,and kingdom against kingdom(G7,and G20,EU,UNO, among others Entities shall be DISSOLVED from now on?)
-there shall be famines;
-and pestilences;
-and earthquakes in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
The WORST is yet to come as is written in Matt.24:15-25
Get ready
To continue in my study on Who God truly is I move on to "L" and meditate on God as being LIFE.
God revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14 as "I AM WHO I AM" which speaks to His self-existence. He does not derive His existence from any other, nor did He ever begin to exist at any time, nor will He ever not exit. This is impossible for Him.
When He calls Himself "I AM, it is perhaps one of the profoundest statement we can know. HE IS!
He is clearly stating that He exists, o if, and, or buts about it. He has always existed, and will exist forever.
John 1:4 says that Life is in God. He is the source of all life. Because He is the Life. john 11:25 Jesus calls Himself the Resurrection and the Life. John 5:26 Jesus says that He has Life within Himself just as the Father has life within Himself. Thus saying that He is God , just as the Father is God. John 6:63 Jesus says that the Spirit gives life, affirming that the Spirit is God. And with these statements Jesus is saying that within the Godhead there are three who together gives life since they are Life itself. Nothing comes into existence without being created by God and it is He who give any creature life. In John 6:63.
God made us. Each person of the Godhead is involved in giving us life because they are Life itself, as Jesus says in John 14:6 when He says that He is the way, the truth, and the life.
Romans 5:10 speaks of how we are saved through the life of Christ. By the power of God's everlasting life, Jesus' body was resurrected from the dead and lives forever. This is how we receive salvation. Because He lives, we will live. And since all people ever created receive their natural life from God, those who are chosen by God to be saved, receive their spiritual life from God as well. see part 2
Pray for understanding.
It is written in
Revelation 1:3,KJV
3.Blessed is he that readeth,
and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein:
for the time is at hand.
My recommendation to all the Christian who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, those using this online tool. Get yourself familiarise with the Hebrew and Greek languages of scripture (interlinear bible) and if By the grace of God Study both Languages
-In the Hebrew the word God and Heaven is revealed to us (Human-Beings) in Plural
-Elohim =GOD which singular Eloah and in Plural ELOHIM.
-Heaven= eshmim which is the heavens in Plural .
-Therefore, when you Read in Genesis 1:20 you will be confronted with this fact God says Let us which is in Plural Indicting One Yet Three in the Scriptures.
-Mind you this Fact is found All over the Scripture and it is written in 1 John 5:7, KJV
7.For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and
the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
(Time is at Hand we are living at the end of days.)
Repent of your sins and do not be deceive Amen.
ACT 2:38, KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
How will be this partnership between the MAN Beast of the sea(sea are peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues- Revelation 17:15),and the MAN Beast of the earth that is like a lamb,a false lamb,a false messiah,AN IMPOSTOR- John 5:43-,yeah, how will be this partnership?
Revelation 13:2 gives us the answer for this question, that is:
To the MAN Beast of sea which is like unto a leopard,and his feet as the feet of a bear,and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(actually it refers the roots of this satanic Gentile Beast- Daniel 7:4-6, yeah, to him the false messiah-the dragon-Rev.13:11-,will give his Power, and his Seat(in Jerusalem, where is the Throne of Satan),and great Authority-Rev.13:2,and Power will be given unto the MAN Beast of sea-to the last of the Popes or Papacy,for forty and two months- Revelation 13:5.By the way,this period of 42 months ruled by the last Pope sat in the Throne of the false messiah in Jerusalem is the FIRST HALF of the last week-week 70th, Daniel 9:27,so Catholicism(iron)and the esoteric and kabbalistic Judaism(the clay)both will be together to establish an Universal and satanic religious kingdom,and then will LITERALLY be fulfilled what my Lord JESUS prophesied: "...and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles(with the Pope enthroned in Jerusalem by the false messiah),until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled-that is the fullness of the Gentiles"- Luke 21:24 combined with Revelation 11:2
Get ready
There are different places in the prophecies that say Christ will pour out the same plagues that were poured out on the Egyptians.
But, they want be LITERAL as they were in Egypt.
Hail mingled with fire was one of the plagues in Egypt, as was frogs.
Ezekiel 13:11 ....oh great hailstones shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it....
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead with him with pestilence and blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and great hailstone, fire and brimstone.
Isaiah 30:30 And the Lord SHALL CAUSE his glorious voice (his word) to be heard, and shall show the lighting down his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the FLAME of a devouring FIRE, with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.
So all these are SYMBOLIC of something that is going to judge God's people, as did the plagues judge the Egyptians.
John 5:22 ... God hath committed all judgement to the Son ...
So these symbols of judgement are symbols of Christ, and Christ is the Word, and the WORD(S) of God JUDGES US.
John 12:48 ... the words that I have spoken, the same words will judge you .....
Isaiah 28:2 Behold the Lord has a mighty and strong one (the WORD), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters, shall cast down to earth with the hand
Isaiah 28:3 The crown of PRIDE .....
Isaiah 28:5 In that day (of judgement when one believes God's word) the Lord (the WORD) shall be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty,unto the residue his people.
Isaiah 28:8 But they (the residue of his people) have also ERRED THROUGH WINE (explained in other scriptures, but is not alcoholic wine), and through strong drink (not alcohol) are OUT OF THE WAY (Christ is the way) .... they err in VISION and stumble in JUDGEMENT.
I will continue in a second comment on the frogs.
God BLESS YOU!
" The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."(Ps.110:1)
Here we have the divine Will concerning his Son. 'Until I make thine enemies thy footstool' is an indication of the divine Will. When Jesus declared,"My Father worketh hitherto, and I work"( John 5:17) we can understand both heaven and the earth are as one. How God in heaven set about quelling the riot of the enemies of Christ we have in two visions.
The one in Daniel is about an everlasting kingdom. "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him./ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him.(7:13-14). Enemies of Christ were dealt in the nations which figure in the vision mentioned before. They are specific as well as they continue 'for a season and time. (Dan.7:12)
Second vision is not about one 'like the Son of man' but of a Lamb, " As it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."(Re.7:5)
What we are really focussed with these posts is to show the days weeks, months and years are all set to work at the behest of God the Father whose will is to make all the enemies of his Son, his footstool. Isaiah for instance said, "the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" All these happen simultaneously so when the Lamb break open seven seals these are all set in motion and not one after the other. Similar to the seven pillars or days set forth in the abstract. (Ge.1:1)
In the Psalm God tells the Son, 'Sit thou at my right hand' which establishes the Father Son relationship goes before the worlds were framed by the word of God. (He.11:3).
The FALSE MESSIAH will soon manifest himself in Israel, as JESUS prophetically announced, saying: John 5:43 - 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER (a false messiah, an IMPOSTOR, a liar) shall come in his OWN name, him ye (the Jews, and even many Pastors, Bishop, among others believers, will be deceived) will receive.
And Paul Apostle said: 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4 and 9 -
9 - Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Get ready
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
"And the king of Assyria sent Tartan and Rabsaris and Rabshakeh from Lachish to king Hezekiah with a great host against Jerusalem. And they went up and came to Jerusalem. And when they were come up, they came and stood by the conduit of the upper pool, which is in the highway of the fuller's field./And when they had called to the king, there came out to them Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph the recorder."
Here we have two groups of men of equal status representing their masters. There is friction and there is talk of war. The Spirit has set their meeting by the conduit of the upper pool which means that all that water is going some place. We shall see where it comes from. Pool, fountain, well or water hole all have one thing in common,- water. It is the sign of God's blessing which was sent from heaven along with the creation of Adam, sent as a river coming down and in four heads which watered the Garden of Eden. This has been all the while flowing beneath the feet of these warring parties.
This helps us place the current events in the Middle East, in Ukraine or in USA in context of the water of life, river pure water of life which signifies time.
to the standpoint from the Son. Here also we have a pool. The name is Bethesda. ( John 5:1-30). The angel who comes in certain season gives the diseased a chance to get cured. But the palsy finds no help for 38 years. Jesus heals him because the word has gone forth before the worlds began. The promise is."He sent his word healed them, and delivered from all destructions."(Ps.107:20) The presence of God works even now. This helps us to have good grasp of abiding in Christ. "In thee is the fountain of life." History of nations in course of time makes us non-persons even as Antiochus IV is insignificant. The world is full of such nobodies making big noise. What are in 50 years? Big zero. But in Christ we shall live!
"None shall pass through it for ever and ever.(Is.34:10)
Isaiah refers to the day of vengeance and God shall recompense the heirs for all their loss and suffering. "For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion."(34:8). Israel of course comes up for reckoning. While consigning the Jerusalem of old to perpetual desolation the Spirit gives us two sets of time and it is signified by the term, forever and ever.Let us examine this verse, "from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.". The forever is in the conventional sense as indicated by the will of the Father. It refers to his Son in whom it pleased the Father that his fullness should dwell. 'And ever refers to the Son in his own right. In practice we have this verse to support it, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" ( John 5:17) So it refers to an unshakeable kingdom, " But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."(Dan.7:18)
The beast whose authority is derived from the dragon is set in terms of Jesus Jesus. By Law of gradation 42 months sets one against the other. So the little horn declares war against his co-heirs, "Beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;/ Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom"(Dan.7:21-22)
In Re.19 we have the battle where the beast and the false prophet are take. In the next chapter we read of thousand year reign "and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." The story does not end there. This explains the distinction between season and time. "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time."(Dan.7:12)
Lets look to the Spirit which inspired the Holy Scriptures for our understanding of them. 1Cor 2:13
1John 2:1,2 He calls them little children, because they're still sinning, then commands them to sin not & if they do in the progresses work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus in their conformity to Christ, they have an Advocate with the Father. He then leads the children ever so gently 1John 2:3-6 distinguishing how to know if we know Him, who is True & its by those who "Keep His commandments" & those who do not is a liar & to those who do Keep His commandments, in them verily is the love of God perfected in them, "to walk even as He walk" that would be without sin!
1John 3:2,3 does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure
1John 3:4,5 how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all
1John 5:18 What does this implies, except that they don't sin.
Rom 6:1,2,6, it speaks expressively the intent of God's heart. Holy Spirit seals it by repeats in twice
Rom 6:12-15 if one sins in the least, the devil is still a prince & has dominion over him.
Jesse,
Adam was created in God image & likeness, sinless, this we all acknowledge
When he sinned, he became a degenerative plant & God cast him out of His Presence. Look at what appears to be just a small thing in our human thoughts, "partaking of the forbidden fruit". "disobedience to God's commandment" Which has brought all the misery that humanity has experience since then to this day.
If one is born again & is a new creature in Christ Hebrews 10:10,28,29 sanctified once & for all,{past tense}
Col 1:22 & then sin, would that not plunges us back into the condition of Adam's' transgression?
In the Spirit of these Scriptures,
I tell you that he that is born again does not sin & he that is born again does not practice sin means the same thing.
a answer on Rom 8:9 will be forth coming.
I am not confused by 1 John 5:7, but you have to included 1 John 5:8 to come to truth.
There are three that bear record in heaven and three that bear record on earth, that makes SIX that are ONE.
The three that bear record in heaven is GOD: God is the Father, God is the Word and God is the Holy Ghost, they are just different references to GOD, they are ONE.
The three that bear record on earth is CHRIST: Christ the Spirit, Christ the water, and Christ the blood, they are just different references to CHRIST, they are ONE.
God bears record in heaven, Christ bears record on earth, TWO not THREE, otherwise it is SIX that are ONE.
God BLESS YOU!
God BLESS YOU!
I'm not sure why you are so confused regarding 1 John 5:7.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
The verse states (3) three bear record in heaven. Not 2, and Not 4.. but 3. Easy to understand.
God loves the meek, the humble, the poor and the trodden down. He wants these simple people to read and understand His message because they will inherent the Kingdom.
I will leave you with this verse my friend. Titus 1:15 "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled."
True, I have not found the word trinity in the Bible, and it is a man made word to explain the (3) that bear witness in heaven.
The bible tells us the following:
Genesis 1:26
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
In the above verse it says: "And God said, Let US make in our own image,
Who is God referring to when He says US? God could have said I will make, but instead He said "Let US make"
I believe that we find the answer to who the US is, in this verse:
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
There are three that bear record in heaven!
The word Trinity meaning:
-the Christian Godhead as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
-a group of three people or things
People refer to: trinity, triune, etc.
There are (3) entities in heaven, God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Amen
As I read both of your post & waited
Here is what I received, John 5:44
Gigi
In the love of God, I came to you from the learning you have of the letter, hoping that by this lowly means it would speak to your heart of these teaching you have spoken of that are contrary to Scriptures. Whether it has reach you or not, will thoroughly remain to be seen. Godly sorrow of repentance is what God is looking for here, which in His longsuffering love is mercifully offering to you. You spoke out publicly, it would have been appropriate to publicly confess & denounce this evil, but you choose to say, "I'm not led to reply" covering yourself & not with God's Spirit
Friend, there's a spirit leading you, but its not Holy, & your teaching is a witness to it.
Richard
By your statement; " we are eventually going to be sinless but we are being sanctified now while on earth"
It appears your confirming this unfounded scriptural belief of continuing in sin as a way of life unto death. Where do you read of this type of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience in the Scripture?
If I'm wrong please correct me, but if not, you strengthening yourself, her & others in unbelief & joining with her in this heresy
John 5:44 you're preferring & honoring one another, than the Truth of God's words, dishonoring God, His sacrifice & the life of Christ. Who's life says 1Pet 4:1 read the context of this Scripture for His people G3973
A primary verb ("pause"); to stop (transitively or intransitively), i.e. Restrain, quit, desist, come to an end -- cease, leave, refrain. is no longer stirred by its incitements and seductions,
Finally & to all
In all that God has so graciously reveal on this subject in past conversations, I had hope that though you may not be as of now a believer in holiness of heart in this life, one would consider these truths & at least cease to be a advocator of this heresy.
for it is one thing to not believe & quiet another to be a teacher of it.
1John 1:3 John was speaking on the other side of the baptizmal of the Christ, he knew in power of being dead unto sin,
& the power of the resurrection of Christ within Him, joining Him to Christ & the Father John 17:21-24 in a consummate intimate fellowship which he explains to His children "that your joy maybe full, which they had & are experiencing in a measure; as they continue in the working out of their salvation, steadfast & confident unto the end.
We ourselve experience an increase in joy of this fellowship as He takes away our sin, & we don't return to them. His Presence increases in our lives, receving more of His Spirit by the hearing & obedience of Faith, which gives & increases us in what John say later "an understanding" 1John 5:20 & a part of this understanding is Philippians 4:13 which we have received.
Could non-believers read this epistles & become believers, of course; Mark 9:23 This is the heart of God Isa 49:6 Acts 13:47
in love & truth
Grace be to you
You took notice for a reason, all glory to God and His Holy Spirit. Christians have a bad addiction to sin! Just like any other addiction, if we don't acknowledge it and get help, we won't change, we will live in this condition until we die. If we remain a sinner, we will die as a sinner, and we will go to hell as promised in the scriptures.
In scripture below, Jesus promises the invalid that he previously healed that he should "sin no more" or something worse will happen to him!
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
If those who continue to tell themselves and others that we can't stop sinning, it's just like going up to that invalid that Jesus warned to "sin no more" now we would be telling him: hey we are all sinners, and none of us can ever really stop sinning. You would be stating the exact opposite of what Jesus/God just told the invalid not to do! Do you think God would approve of you telling the invalid that they can't stop sinning?
If we are saying we can't stop sinning, and telling others that they can't stop sinning, we should ask ourselves: Where is this belief/mindset that we can never stop sinning coming from? We know it isn't coming from God. 1John 3:8
I've learned the hard way it's best to not be in conflict with God or His Spirit. If he really loves us, if we sin - He can make us suffer in ways that can get our attention! If he doesn't see we are sincere about sin, a he can take our life, and soul, and put us in hell. I fear God, as we all should, and I offer this to you to help you. Better to say it's hard to stop sinning, but not impossible. God tells us all things are possible if you have faith as a mustard seed Matt 17:20 With God nothing is impossible for us!
Read and Believe
Yes, as JESUS revealed,"when unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places seeking rest". The dry places where the unclean spirit walks are the men made by the dust in the belly of the Serpent( John 8:44-45), and are without the Spirit of GOD, without the Spirit of Christ, as was Israel, the clay, the dry land. The unclean spirit finds none among them which were born again from GOD and really remain in the body of Christ. 1John 5:18-19->18 We know that whosoever is born of GOD sinneth not; but he that is begotten of GOD keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the WHOLE WORLD lieth in wickedness.(Because they live in the belly of the Serpent,and only within them the unclean spirit finds rest.)
The unclean spirit saith: I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished./ Then goeth the unclean spirit, and taketh with himself (7) seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
1Peter 5:8-9
8 Be sober,be vigilant;because your adversary the Devil(the old Serpent),as a roaring lion,WALKETH about, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
Job 1:6-There was a Day when the sons of GOD came to present themselves before the Lord,and Satan(the Old Serpent)came also among them.(By the way,we are entering the Day of the Lord,the last millennium)
Reevelation 11:15-18
15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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The battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs: Revelation 16:13-15
13 I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,and out of the mouth of the beast,and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 They are the spirits of devils, working miracles...
15 Behold, I come as a thief. ...
TKL said he "knows the reference "Holy Ghost" did not exist in the OT" .
1John 5:7-There are three that bear record in heaven,the Father,the Word,and the Holy Spirit(who is not a ghost as is written in English language,but a Person):and these three are One.
Actually the Holy Spirit as a person is very similar to the Son of man,my Lord JESUS,but he has no light of his own as JESUS has,he has not message of his own,as JESUS had and has,and he as a person is very unknown because he has no genealogy as JESUS has,he has a written name,it is quite true,but his name is unknown,no man knows the name of the person of the Holy Spirit,despite being written,and being he SIMILAR to the Son of man-JESUS.In other words,BY ANALOGY,JESUS is the Sun,the Sun of Righteousness,JESUS is the Greater Light,the Greater Luminary,but the person of the Holy Spirit has no light of his own,he is the Lesser Luminary,as the moon is in the Solar system,the moon has not his own light,its light is from the Sun,is the reflection of Solar light.
That said,the light that the person of the Holy Spirit reflects is not from Himself,no,it is not,absolutely not,in fact he reflects the Light that he receives from JESUS,as the moon receives the Light from the Sun. I say this by the Word of the Father,by the Word of my GOD, the Father, as JESUS said: John 16:12-15 &15:26
12 I still have much to say to you, but you cannot bear it now.
13But when that Spirit of truth comes,he will guide you into all truth, for HE WILL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF,but he will speak whatever he hears and he will declare to you what is to come
14He will glorify me,for he will receive what is mine and declare it to you.
15All that the Father has is mine;therefore he told you that (HE)WILL RECEIVE WHAT IS MINE and will declare it to you.
The Person of the Holy Spirit is not a"Ghost" as is written in English language,the Person of the Holy Spirit is one of the three DISTINCTS Persons in GOD the Father,in the Word, the Word is GOD.
Most believe what man says not what God says.
God's words are always fulfilled.
John 5:43 I (the man, Jesus Christ) come in my Father's NAME and ye receive me (the spirit of truth) not: if another MAN come is his OWN NAME, him ye will receive.
You know them by their fruits.
Not their appearance, the words from their lips.
Isaiah 57:19 ..... I CREATE the FRUIT of the LIPS ..... ONLY when one is BAPTISED into the NAME of Jesus ...... does ones lips speak the same words as OUR LORD, the overseer of out lips.
Psalms 17:4 Concerning the works of men, by the words of THY LIPS (that that may be ONE as WE ARE ONE John 17:22) I have keep me from the paths of the destroyer.
Psalms 12:4 Who hath said.... our lips are our own......
God Bless YOU!
God Bless YOU!
"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it."
Firstly the Spirit repeats more or less the same words to indicate the Father Son relationship.
Let us examine another verse which is indeed the opposite. "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" ( John 5:17) He spoke as the Word become flesh thereby tying heaven and the earth in the Word component. Christ the same (He.13:8) in terms of the Word (Is.55:11) . It shall never return to him in void.
Thus after his Ascension we have this verse from the writer to the Hebrews,"And upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins,"(He.1:3). As the brightness of His glory the word is out there corralling all the heirs of promise till they enter into the rest of God. "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his./ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."(He.4:11).
When his Son ascended on high it was in accordance with the eternal covenant. And "when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high," it was also as the word had spoken,"The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool./The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies."(Ps.110:1-2). The same relationship and the same covenant and the works of the Son go on till all 'thine enemies' are destroyed, it is the Son working out of Zion. This is the seventh day that the Father sanctified.
"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it."(Is.55:11-NKJV). The Spirit repeats in order to emphasize the Word, the voice and the sign shall prevail from eternity to eternity.
To meditate: Matt.5:14 New Jerusalem as a city descending from heaven.
I'm sorry but the scriptures DO NOT agree with you.
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
Jesus warns that if we continue sinning only worse things will happen!
Proverbs 1:7
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Proverbs 14:2
"He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him."
Job 28:28
"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."
God is FEAR and LOVE! If we are wise we will love Him and fear Him!
GBU
45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,but that which is natural;and afterward that which is spiritual.
Well, since the beginning the Word-i.e. GOD-had planned to make man in His image,but how once He is Spirit?GOD sent JESUS about 4000 years after Adam,the first earthly man.And JESUS said:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.Notice that when JESUS said this, still very recently He was in the bosom of the Word- John 1:18-,but now He already was in person working together with the Word, i.e.GOD tghe Father, and it at the age 30 or so,then He revealed that His Father was still working, although it was the beginning of the fifth Day. But Jesus knew what He was talking about, so He said: I and my Father are One.
The Word-i.e. GOD-is Spirit. How could man see an image of the Spirit? What is its image of the Spirit? It would be impossible to describe, unless it be created materially, physically, its own image. This explains why Israel always was tempted by the Devil to create an image of GOD for to worship it, and they made even a golden calf.
According to the Word, first He needed to create an image from He Himself and that's what God did, and thus JESUS was born in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or in the turn of fourth to the fifth millennium. GOD sent JESUS, for"He loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;but that the world through Him might be saved.He that believeth on Him is not condemned:but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD, JESUS.And this is the condemnation,that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil"- John 3:v.16 to 19.
We also see Lebanon and the wicked in Israel described; likely part of the 2/3 perishing in chapter 13. (verses 1-4). The forest could symbolically represent people; also of course there will be literal burnings of one third of the trees in the Trumpet judgments. Verses 5 and 6 of course could be speaking of the Diaspora and mass starvation during the Roman invasion and massacre of AD 70. The king mentioned in verse 6 could be the final Antichrist. Verses 9-10 show destruction coming to the land; and Verse 11 shows how the poor understand about the covenant being broken. This would imply the new covenant under Christ perhaps with shades of Isaiah 61:1 with the Good News to the poor. Symbolic terms are used here for the old covenant (Beauty and bands). Of course we also see the prophetic 30 pieces of silver which is sarcastically mentioned as what was considered Christ's worth. The field of a potter was determined for "blood money" once Judas repented of what he did (which was to avoid consequences not to seek forgiveness from God Himself), He hung himself; and later his bowels fell out. (verse 12-13; Acts 1:18). We must keep in mind that later verses describe God dealing with Israel then judging the nations that attacked them at the end of the Book of Zechariah.
Clearly the final Antichrist is mentioned here as well as the injury to his right arm and eye. (verses 15-17). This is the "worthless shepherd" and reminds us of verses in John 5:43 of another coming in his own name who they will worship.